₦airaland Forum

Kobojunkie:
There is nothing spiritual about religion as it is instead a scheme that takes advantage of those mentally vulnerable in society. What you refer to as your spirituality is itself a form of religion since the definition is ruled by the various ideas — opinions of individuals on these things.

Religion is badly packaged spirituality. How do you mean there is nothing spiritual about religion?

Kobojunkie:
This was what I was afraid of. This, by you, is merely some tirade against Christianity, isn't it?

Religion did not start with Christianity and it will not end if Christianity is done away with tomorrow. Religion is a man-made political scheme designed by men for their benefit.

You have not taken time to read this thread carefully. Spiritualities not condemning unbelievers to damnation can't be grouped together with those that do. The first step in the war against religion is to properly isolate Christianity and Islam. Religion started with Christianity two thousand years ago

Kobojunkie:
All religions, even the local ones, would need to be completely kicked out of the space.

Why do you need to kick the local ones out. Nothing is wrong with traditional spiritualities. We can't kick God out of the society

Kobojunkie:
Unless you are willing to have banned all religions including your traditional institutions from the public space, I doubt you are going to get anywhere with this suggestion of yours.

2. Are we ready to adopt a secular nation that keeps religion out of the classrooms so children are instead trained in the ability to critically reason whatever ideas are presented to them either at home by their parents or in the future when leave the classrooms?

Religion is adulterated spirituality. There is nothing wrong with spirituality but everything is wrong with religion.

Forkthiefnubu:
Just say it , tribalism is Afon politics, political ideology, way of life , you never done any Afrocentric crap , you don’t even like Nigeria or the fulanis , you are just after power and domination to fund your wanton lifestyle, mods go ahead and ban me

My opinion is that people are not color and similar color does not mean you are more related as groups. Africa is vast and Eurasia etc are vast too. What we are are ethnic nations. That is the true identity of a human being. What you call tribalism is true nationalism. Nigeria can't work because it has degenerated into a British contraption. I am an IJESA man and that is my true identity. Ijesa is the nation that the blood of my ancestors were shed to protect for centuries.

MaxInDHouse:
When you meet unintelligent adults you will know through their thinking ability.

Let them go around the world to convince sane people that religion started with Christianity since they only know of two religions in their geographical locations!

Bros, I beg you to be reasonable.

budaatum:
Religion did not start with Christianity two thousand years ago!

People were worshipping Gods long before even Abraham was conceived.

https://www.worldatlas.com/religion/the-7-oldest-religions-in-the-world.html

The attempt to mislabel all non militant traditional spiritualities as religions has already failed. It is to derail the progress of.us fighting religion You can't use the same word to describe peace and war, light and darkness and etc. People.who don't condemn unbelievers to hell are not practicing religion. Period

budaatum:
Get big shoes first. Or big brains.

Why?. Is there any other solution?. Religion started with Christianity two thousand years ago and what it added to us are new reasons to.hate, fight and kill each other in the public. Don't you think it should recline out of public spaces? The foolishness that started one day will.end one day

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I don't follow. Recalling reps and senators is more expensive than allowing them to continue to plummet the country into debt through embezzlement of funds and other corrupt practices.

Lagos is different ... what has Lagos to do with this topic abeg! !

Then do you really think that mass recall is the solution?.

I do not subscribe to dividing people into black and white because it does not align with Yorubaness or even basic common sense. I don't do Afrocentrism or pan Africanism because there are tens of millions of white Yorubas by origin in the New world. They have no other origin. It does not align with basic common sense because DNA tests will show that East Africans are not more related to west Africans than they are to Europeans

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid I don't follow. Recalling reps and senators is more expensive than allowing them to continue to plummet the country into debt through embezzlement of funds and other corrupt practices.

Lagos is different ... what has Lagos to do with this topic abeg! !

To go around and get enough people to sign is expensive. Do you think it is a straight forward thing?. Lagos is part of Nigeria and Lagos is different. There are good results in Lagos. They have a robust civil service and improving infrastructure. Therefore when condemning Nigeria, remember Lagos is different is what I mean

Kobojunkie:
The courts may be corrupt but the one unused tool in the hands of Nigerians remains the power to take back their mandate from these lowlifes.

It is a very expensive exercise. Then Nigeria is as it should be. If the country were organized with tax collection it would be different. As bad as things are, Lagos is different

There is no other way to control the rampaging religionists than to legally kick them out of the public space. Their practice is not compatible with the progress of humanity and they should practice in private because of that while children are taught in schools that God is a gentleman

I think NAFDAC can regulate anything being sold to be ingested

New Odus of IFA, September 21 2024.


Oturupon Ofun
After a long night will come the risen sun.

This was the IFA cast for the whole world when the United states of America led the charge to change the world.
They were asked to sacrifice.
They listened and complied.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
It was the USA that sailed and berthed the world at the harbor of equality, prosperity and freedom.

Ika Oyeku
This is my resting place.

This was the IFA cast for status quo which does not like being changed, on the day it was coming from heaven to Earth.
It was advised to sacrifice
It listened but did not comply
On looking people of Po and Offa!
To change the status quo always requires big effort


Ose Okanran

The parents to the children are like walking stick to the blind.

This was the IFA cast for the adolescent who must be teleguided to do the right thing.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
On looking people of Po and Offa.

If a child stays under the guidance of good parents, he or she will turn out well.


Owonrin Osa
It is words that makes us better than animals

This was the IFA cast for Jesus Christ who said ‘A man is not defiled by what goes into him by way of eating but by what comes out of him by way of words.



Note

The statement is probably the most intelligent in record that was made by Isa bin Pantheras aka Jesus Christ

What makes a human being is not how beautiful or how handsome but the level of articulateness that is noticeable during interaction with the person. More than anything else, you are the words that come out of your mouth.

Oyeku Ika
When one person is left behind, everybody is at risk.

This was the IFA cast for the nation that guarantees a source of livelihood for all citizens.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
If people are not guaranteed a means of livelihood, they will take it by force.

Irete Irosun
Water poured into a water closet can never fill it up.

This was the IFA cast for salary which will never be enough on the day it was coming from heaven to Earth.
It was advised to sacrifice
It listened but it did not comply.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
No matter how much the salary is increased, the recipient will still want more.
Ela Boru Ela boye Ela bo sise.

Irosun meji
The right way to become rich at whatever you are doing is to work very hard, grow your business and employ many people. The number of people you employ is your financial clout. The larger the household, the greater the man.

Irete Ofun
No master no servant

This was the IFA cast for them in heaven where everybody is an entrepreneur.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa.
All irunmales are on their own.


Oturupon Osa
A gem can not be polished without friction nor a man perfected without trials- Seneca


Odi Otura
Your next incarnation is who you can trust to take off from where you stopped.

Oturupon Owonrin

How are the mighty fallen?. Tell it not in Gath!.

This was the IFA cast for the full grown adult who is scared of worshiping idols because of damnation threats in his holy book.
He was advised to sacrifice.
He listened but did not comply
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
God does not bite!.

Ogbe ika

The best approach to public education is simple. Basic education should be compulsory while tertiary education should be sponsored by all means for all those who qualify.

Approach IFA carefully

When we are dealing with the spirit realm, we should be well aware that we are dealing with intelligent beings that can appraise us. There is a story in Obara Oyeku (Obara inaki) that illustrates this position.
Story
A certain man who was doing well by all means decided to approach IFA to ask for still more blessings.
On getting to the priest, he made his prayers silently and the priest used IFA to determine what his prayers was. Obara Oyeku appeared to the priest. Since he was very comfortable financially, the priest told him to offer as ebo his only horse before a certain date. The man was not happy as he did not want to let go of his only horse. He refused to give up the horse to the priest and he subsequently died after the deadline. The horse he did not want to give up was what his children sold to raise money to bury him.
The lesson in the story is that we can work hard and plan but we should not let only financial well being or prosperity be our main motivation. Our ambition should be to solve societal problems and not to be billionaires when we are already millionaires

VanuatuWycombe:
Yes. They are. It’s not even that they can’t take more risks but you see the level of corr.uption, NEPOTISM, bigotry, tribalism going on in public service ehn, it won’t allow government to operate, optimally, in any business it ventures into the moment such government has significant influence/control on such companies.
That’s what killed all government businesses that d.ied.

Fear civil servants before you fear Satan.

Most start ups fail, whether owned by government or not. Government should focus on governance but there is nothing wrong in taking risks once in a while too.

VanuatuWycombe:
Check the % of ownership.

Other than Wema Bank, Oodua Group’s remaining subsidiaries are performing below average.

A reduced stake in those subsidiaries, by government, would have enhanced their performances.

You can imagine Visa Phone, Starcoms etc that were even owned (majorly) by private investors died. Where is Ooduatel?
Where is Cocoa Industries? Where is Epe Plywood? I can continue mentioning them.

Wemabod Estate is not dead yet because of housing shortage in Lagos and in Nigeria.

I agree that government should concentrate more on governance rather than majority stakes in business visions but they are free to take risks too.

New odus of IFA, September 19 2024

Otura Osa

It is only ingrates that bite the finger that feeds them.

This was the IFA cast for the people that left all the sacrifices of their ancestors for them to be claiming Jesus Christ died for them.
They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened but they did not comply.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
Only your ancestors died for you and they are the ones that are there for you.

Oturupon Owonrin

The desire of God is whatever I lay down.
This was the IFA cast for Prophet Mohammed styled the last Prophet who said we must always pass through his Quran to reach God.
He was advised to sacrifice.
He listened but did not comply.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
God is available to and reachable by all human beings whether or not you believe in Prophet Mohammed.

Ogunda Otura

Madness can only be cured with commensurate madness.

This was the IFA cast for the Yoruba people who accepted the two competing religions in equal proportion.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
When you have a mix of Christians and Muslims in a family, they will know intuitively that the division is not authored by God.


Irete Osa

Bi a ba dagba tan se ni a nyo Ogun ja.
A difa fun Oniresi ti Okan re bale tan to ni ohun o fin igba mo
Ebo ni won ni KO se
O gbebo o Rubo
Ero Po Ero Offa!.
Bi oniresi ba ni oun o fin Igba mo
Eyi to ti fin sile KO le pa run



Translation

When we become old, we intentionally reduce our going to war.

This was the IFA cast for oniresi who after getting all his heart’s desire said he will no longer do the duties of the Afingba.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
If the Oniresi says he will no longer do his duties, the one he has done in the past can never be erased.

Ika Irete

The King can not go outside his territory to collect taxes.

This was the IFA cast for the Babalawo that will never cross boundary to Osanyin territory.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
IFA is purely academic and anything added to make it look like magic is Osanyin.
IFA is not more than spiritual advise followed by ebo.


Ogunda Irete
This woman is attractive, I can not wait an extra day.

This was the IFA cast for Prophet Mohammed who slept with the wife of a Jewish chief on the same day he killed her husband and burnt down their home in war.

Note
The story is one of the many stories in the hadith written by the companions of the Prophet that shows clearly that the Prophet is not the best of mankind.

Ogbe Ofun

Revenue should determine a constituency’s representation in government if cost of living in different constituencies are the same.

Irete Ika
A family once formed should not be disbanded.

This was the IFA cast for Sir Herbert Macaulay who wrote in his will in 1946 that ‘I give advise and bequeath unto the beardless and youthful mallams of the North my treasured mustache to emulate and copy and withal to note that as the mustache and my bow tie are both parallel and inseparable on my dress and person, so shall they be at par and united with their southern brethren’.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
The union of Nigeria thrived for many more years after.


Obara Ogbe

Men are happy only when they are participating in building something.



Osa Ofun

Physician, heal thyself

This was the Ifa Cast for Enoch Adeboye who was blessing mantles for his followers to raise the dead while two of his children died in their prime.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened but he did not comply.



Ogbe Owonrin
The mother will breastfeed whatever kid she births

This was the IFA cast for the person who chose to die for Nigeria despite that the leaders are not doing right by the citizens.
He was advised to sacrifice.
He listened but did not comply.

MsJackson:
Happy sunday to you all. I have a problem. There is this young man i just met 2yrs ago. I'm yoruba, he's delta by tribe. We've been just platonic friends but now he wants my hand in marriage. I am a graduate of OAU but he only stopped sch at sec sch. He attended a technical school later, learnt a skill in electricity. Workin now wit an ok salary. I feel no qualms abt marrying this guy becos he's so humble, very hardworkin and selfless, ALWAYS ready to put people's interest ahead of his own. He has a positively dangerous sense of humor, cracks me up so badly lol. Plus, he's so so cute. Lol. We flow well. Problem is, people are talkin abt our educational differences and its gettin to me. I'm ok wit him but people, even my family feel we dont match. I luv him badly. MUST HE BE A GRADUATE TO BE MARRIAGEABLE? Please i need reasonable nature responses. Tnx.

The man as described can still go to school. Support him to go to school even up to PhD.

Iamanoited:
AKPABIO CAN'T BE SERIOUS. IT IS A CONTRACT OF EMPLOYMENT AND ALL CONTACTS ARE BASED ON OFFER AND ACCEPTANCE OF CONSIDERATION FOR THE CONTRACT.

Government should be the broker of all employment offers and no wage should be lower than the approved minimum wage

VanuatuWycombe:
It will still go moribund, so long government’s stake is up to 40%.

Reduce government’s stake to just 10%. This will be easy to manage and fund and may be be seeing as non-viable for successive governors.

40% is a controlling interest, in accounting, which could give the government to exercise significant influence on the company.
This may lead to state government putting inexperienced people on the Board and other Executive positions etc.

On a lighter note, is the Mill ready to compete with those Indian mills scattered all over Nigeria?

Those ones can play balls. If you know, you know.

There are still some companies functioning properly owned by the Oodua group of companies

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ instead said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel meaning His death was for those who are of the bloodline of Jacob alone. This fact has been established for about 2000 years now. So any claim to the contrary is of course a lie!

Yes, Jesus Christ himself would never have been in support of preaching to Gentiles whom he saw as dogs. Paul who never met Jesus was the one that started preaching to Gentiles

Who died for you?.

As Americans, there are people who died for the nation against Britain while fighting for independence and during the civil war and subsequent military engagements around the world. We know those who died for the IJESA nation throughout the centuries of existence of the nation. Poole war, Fejeboju war, Kiriji war and etc. Those who died for the Yoruba nation willingly in Nigeria include people like Colonel Adekunle Fajuyi, Colonel Victor Banjo and thousands of others during the civil war and after the state murder of Bashorun Abiola. It is an attack on the spirits of the true heroes to say Jesus Christ died for Americans, the IJESA or the Yoruba as a whole when we know those who actually died. Making the statement about Jesus Christ in public should not be encouraged in any nation.

Thesmera:
That's a great point! Indeed, skin color does not affect DNA, and this highlights our common biological basis. Every gene in our DNA, is a clue to our origins and health. I found it interesting to read MyHeritage reviews and learn how DNA research helps people learn more about their heritage and family ties, regardless of outward traits. It proves once again that genetic data is universal and equal for everyone. Such research provides insight into how our unique genetic traits affect our health and ancestry, emphasizing that in a scientific context, we are all the same.

My whole point is that some light skinned people are more related to some non light skinned people than they are to other light skinned people and etc. Australian aborigines are more related to Europeans than they are to Africans despite being dark skinned. Yoruba might be more related to Germans than they are to East Africans and etc given the distance between them. We can not say genetic data is equal for everyone like you said. I hope you see my point

Kobojunkie:
There is no holy book or tradition that even compares the count of one group to the other from my personal research, so I am not sure why you think the claim should mean anything or matter as far as the question I asked.

Be on the lookout for my upcoming book. There are over sixty billion spirits against over eight billion human beings

Kobojunkie:
I don't subscribe to that crock of bull abeg! I am only interested in examining the facts really known of these deities that people subscribe to as revealed in their holy texts or passed down traditions.

Did any holy book or tradition say humans outnumber spirits?. In the olden days, a Yoruba city will.have more deities than human beings because each person will have a tutelary deity.

Kobojunkie:
1. It doesn't matter what they are or were so long as they are the deities worshipped by the Yorubas.

What I am trying to say is that spirits outnumber humans and the supreme God is just one of them no matter the name you call it

Kobojunkie:
1. Wrong! Not all cultures believe what you claim.

2. The deities of the Yorubas are worshipped by the Yorubas alone. The same pretty much applies as far as other ethnic groups in Nigeria. So when a Nigerian uses the word "God", the sensible thing is to inquire as far as the identity of said deity.

The deities of the Yoruba are Yoruba ancestors added to some natural things which we believe have resident spirits. Everything have resident spirits. Other people have their own ancestors. There is no culture without its own Ogun, Oya, Osun and etc that manifested in those ways when alive. People generally revere (worship?) the spirits of their ancestors world wide. There is no reason to leave your own ancestors and be propitiating other people's but religious people don't know this.
When an Ur hobo person say Osanobua, I know it is Olodumare they speak of

Kobojunkie:
What you described is impossible given all of the various deities all have different attributes ascribed to them in all of those cultures you describe.

For instance, Jehovah claims He is God only to Israelites, so He cannot be God also to Nigerians since He made clear His only inheritance in the land of men are those born of the blood of Jacob. The Yorubas will tell you that their gods are not gods to other people so, I think you should try to closely examine these ideas you hold more closely to realize how very flawed they truly are.

There are beings in heaven and God is their head. They have their own civilization. I think all cultures agree on that but some, starting with Jews believe only the supreme God should be worshipped and you should not say even hello to angels. The Yoruba have orisas who are just outstanding humans. After their death, their spirits are worshipped. God is not sacrificed to at all because no one knows its favorite food and the belief is that God is too distant. It will be like a pupil going over the head of the class teacher to report to the President

Kobojunkie:
What is the identity of this "God" then? That is the question I had asked the other.

All cultures have names for the supreme deity. Olodumare, Ubangiji, Allah, Chukwuabiama, Jehovah and etc. They are all referring to the same entity which is the Father God not five thousand different ones

It is better to leave farming for farmers. It will be like being in the downstream and upstream at the same time and that can be difficult