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Dtruthspeaker:
Op man and religion were born together.

And if you watch the movies of the past eg Atilla, Jason and the Argounuts, Odysseus even Game of thrones, all show that paganism was the world's religion wherever you look at eg Europe, the Americas, Africa, Australia, etc

So, It is in this paganism that God through a pagan born son called Abraham, used to plant down His own religion that man would not claim that they did not know that the paganism they know and were born into was not approved by He Who Owns this House we call the world.

So, a man must have a religion, even if a religion of refusing popular religions. or a religion of God hatefulness, but a man must have a religion

Man and religion were born together?. Do you mean there were missionaries threatening unbelievers before Christianity?. Man and spirituality, language and etc were born together while religion was invented around two thousand years ago

ToluOfAbuja:
That's great. Do you consult for people? I need clarification on some things. I appreciate your prompt response.

Sure, I can help you. My email is akinwumilawanson@gmail.com

There can be zero poverty

There can be zero poverty in a society but everybody can not become wealthy. Zero poverty is not more than everybody having access to good health care, good basic education and the right to a means of livelihood that can cater for food, shelter, clothing and other modern basic necessities of life like Internet access. If not for the homelessness crisis, most western countries are close to it.
If you want to be wealthy, you will need to be in control of some means of production and you need to be able to manage the means of production. The skills needed to do this are people management and vision. However, it is not necessary to be very wealthy and most people are okay with owning one or two homes overtime and other small investments.
In the past, when majority of the people worked the land and when the institutions of feudalism and slavery existed, everybody was accounted for to the extent.that there was no unemployment as everyone had an umbrella to stand under and the only problems they faced as a society were problems like famine and mass poverty.
They did not know how to produce enough but their organization was better than ours or at least it was more inclusive.
Presently on Earth, we have solved the problem of production but we need to step up on organization to deal a decisive blow on poverty. It is the organization in the G7 and other highly organized nations that should be emulated by all nations.

ToluOfAbuja:
Aboru bo ye o...
Are you a traditionalist? Do you consultant for people? I'll like to get a response from you soon. Thank you

I am a self taught Babalawo. I have been on it since 2012.

How do we confront religion?.

We know it will be rather hard to return religious folks to factory settings which is a situation where their spirituality whether monotheistic or polytheistic is a part of their culture and they will not be surprised to encounter foreigners doing it differently. That was how it was worldwide in the past and that is how it is today amongst the people today that do not have religion. Religion is militant spirituality that insists on converting the whole world to their holy book while normal ancient spirituality is peaceful all over the world. Shintos in Japan are brothers to iseese in Nigeria, Hindus in India, Confucians in China and etc and vice versa up till today. To return religious folks to factory settings like their ancestors will be difficult but what we must insist on is that they should please in the name of God get out of the public space. Islam and Christianity should not be practiced in public buildings and neither should they use anything public. Hopefully overtime and after the restriction is effected, the whole world will gradually return to the tranquility that existed before Christianity became a thing. Religion is just another reason for human beings to hate and kill each other. This is what every lover of humanity's progress should join hands to make a reality.

State creation should be on demand as provided in the independence constitution and not done as a favor. Ijebu was a sovereign nation that fought wars in the past with Ibadan and Britain. Ijebu state should ideally comprise of Ikorodu and Epe in Lagos state while there also should be an Awori state. I guess it can only happen after the breakup of Nigeria

There was no militant spirituality (religion) in our past and it will not be in our future. Religion will end.

New odus of IFA December 26 2024

Iwori Owonrin

All I have to do is believe the holy book.


This was the IFA cast for the adult who thinks his beliefs and not his character will make him right before God and be heaven bound.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened but did not comply
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
It is your character that you need to tend to.


Oturupon Otura


If you want to be a monotheist, be a monotheist in your own culture and if it is polytheist let it be the same. The idea of waiting for foreigners to come and tell you how to deal with God does not speak well of a human being. There is no culture created by God that does not come complete with spirituality. All cultures are a complete package.

Obara Ogunda

A worthy parting gift!.

This was the IFA cast for President Joe Biden of the USA who just before his term finished, he commuted the death sentence of 37 Americans to life imprisonment.

It was cast for 37 people on death row in the USA who had already resigned to their fate.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
Not long after, meet us where we celebrate victory like Ogun at the feet of Obarisa.


Osa Oturupon
Religion is the opposite of science

This was the IFA cast for the deep thinking individuals that abandoned religion and all its dogma to be living like his pre religion ancestor under scientific spirituality.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
The science way is the way forward.


Oturupon Osa
Public opinion can make you what you are not.


This was the IFA cast for Esu odara the right hand man of Orunmila who was being misrepresented as Satan of the Abrahamic scriptures.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!
Esu is one of the deities and the right hand man of Orunmila. He is not the opponent of God. He is not Satan.

Note

The big mistake of religion is to assume that God has an institutional opponent. God does not have an institutional opponent and all evil emanate from human beings.

Who is Esu?

Esu is the deity that rules junctions. Junctions means alternatives. Esu is the one sitting at decision points. It helps us to determine the right thing to do amidst options. Esu is the most trusted friend of Orunmila that helps Orunmila to communicate with the heavenlies. The Odu of Esu is Ogunda Iwori which means carefully contemplated actions.

In the olden days, when people's wrongs are found out, they will try to absolve themselves of blame by saying Esu pushed them to do what they did and this led to the common saying 'Esu ma se mi, omo elomiran ni KO se' meaning 'Esu do not manipulate me, move on to go and manipulate others'. These and other common happenstances were what Bishop Ajayi Crowther and others added together which led to them synchronizing Esu with Satan thinking that he rules over all evil deeds but they were wrong. Esu is a spirit that has been incarnated severally and may even be incarnated presently unlike Satan which has never been incarnated. One of the incarnations of Esu is as the Oba of Ketu, the Alaketu amidst others.
Bishop Crowther and etc were wrong because a person perfectly aligned with Esu will never take an action that can be faulted because of the Ogunda Iwori. Incarnations of Esu or its children are always very articulate.




Obara Ogunda

It is the silent party that will carry the blame.

This was the IFA cast for the human beings who would do evil and blame it on Satan.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened but did not comply
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
Man and not Satan is responsible for all evil.



Ogbe Otura

Do all the help you can

This was the IFA cast for Orunmila
Who would not keep a good thought inside of himself without sharing it to benefit others
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.

The weight of a political constituency and the problem of cost of living discrepancies

The weight of a political constituency is the sheer number of workers and consumers that live therein. The sheer number of workers and consumers that live within a political constituency can only be indicated by or is best indicated by the revenue that the government can collect, all other factors being equal. The two factors that needs to be equal are the government revenue drive and the cost of living. We have to consciously work at it as a global community to make these two factors equal across the globe. If they are equal, we will be able to weigh nations against each other using government revenue instead of population and we will still have the same conclusions.
What the world needs is an organized world where the revenue drive is uniform. We all need to have across the globe the revenue drive of the G7 nations where personal income tax is the main income source for government. What is obtainable in the G7 nations as per revenue drive should be replicated across the globe with no nation left behind.
As for cost of living, the main determinant of the cost of living across the world today is the cost of rent because housing unlike other basic necessities of life can not be moved around and therefore the only way for rent and property value to gradually move in the free market is up especially in highly organized nations led by the G7 nations and it has been moving up for decades. As a result, the cost of living in high income countries led by the G7 nations is up to fifty times what it should be because rent in the average G7 nation is close to one hundred times what it is in low income countries like North Korea, Ethiopia, Nigeria and etc.
The high income countries are better when it comes to revenue drive while low income countries are better when it comes to cost of living driven by the value of real estate.

In conclusion, the task before us as a global community is to seek the perfect common ground that is beneficial to everybody. Everywhere should have the revenue drive of G7 nations with the property or real estate value of North Korea where per capita income is 1500 dollars per annum against over 86,000 dollars per annum in the USA so that government revenue comparison can be a substitute for population comparison. The world we live in today is wobbly and it calls for reform and restructuring.

RedboneSmith:
Bros, did you think this your argument through at all? If dark-skinned people can produce unpigmented babies (ie., very light-skinned offspring), but unpigmented light-skinned groups cannot produce dark-skinned offspring, that would simply mean that if the first humans were light-skinned then all humans today will be light-skinned, since by your own argument light-skinned groups cannot produce dark-skinned offspring, but dark-skinned groups can produce light-skinned offspring.

Your argument defeats itself. Be taking time to examine your thoughts for loopholes. Don't be in a rush to post.

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You are not correct because whatever a group is, they became it overtime due to the nature of their habitat.

illicit:
I don't get u

How is black giving birth to albino equals to the first humans being white...

Please elucidate

We give birth to babies that resemble our ancestors. I am not saying it is a final proof though but it is a bit strong

Why Buddhism is not a religion.

A mere definition can make or mar your chances of winning a debate or even a war. During wars too, a good definition can save bullets because what needs to be fought over would have been minimized by means of sound definitions. We must ensure that the wheat is separated from the chaff.
Buddhism is not a religion. The term religion should not be used as an umbrella term for all spiritualities. Buddhism is not a religion because Buddha before his passing told his followers specifically not to take his word for it on anything and that his followers must bow to common sense whenever they encounter it and discard his own conclusions immediately it is in conflict with common sense. His position is the same position of the academia. In the academia you can acquire a PhD saying A is the best while someone appears a few years later to disprove your claims by acquiring a PhD to say A is the worst. Both are valid PhDs because both positions were well articulated at one point in time and that is how the academia works. Religion is the opposite of that. In religion, the positions of the founder must never be questioned. Anybody questioning the founders of Christianity or Islam will pay by being ex communicated. Religion is the opposite of science. The holy books of religion must never be questioned or peer reviewed. The spiritualities on Earth before Christianity were not religions with the exception of Judaism. Spiritual masters that existed before religion like Buddha, Orunmila, Brahmin and etc were scientists and they fit and align with the academia. They are not on the opposite side of science like the founders of religion. Buddhism therefore for its academic approach and disposition is not a religion.

Were the first human beings dark or light skinned

Just as there is evidence that a few thousand years back the ancestors of Europeans were dark skinned, there is also evidence that the ancestors of west Africans of over twenty thousand years ago were light skinned. Neanderthal DNA content in west African groups like the Yoruba is enough evidence of at least some ancient light skinned ancestors. Therefore the claim by Afrocentrists and etc that the first human beings were dark skinned may not hold water. Dark skinned groups sometimes give birth to unpigmented or light skinned offsprings who are albinos while the reverse is not the case for light skinned groups and this is a strong case for the first human beings being light skinned.
A big reason why some people insist that the earliest human beings were dark skinned is because on our planet and indeed on any inhabitable planet, the most ancient civilizations are of dark skinned people because these civilizations often occur in tropical or near tropical zones where the sun is harshest. The people of those tropical or near tropical lands are bound to be dark skinned overtime even if they were not so at the beginning because their lands were the first to become free of ice or inhabitable. Africa was inhabitable before Europe, all other things being equal.

In conclusion, the color that the first human beings were is indeterminate because the fact that black people give birth to albinos give strength to the notion that the first humans were white while the fact that the most ancient civilizations are of dark skinned people give strength to the notion that the first human beings were dark.

If the money can be recovered and the man turned to a poor man, I would prefer that.

State creation in Nigeria and the Ijesa example.

If the constitution brokered by the British were adhered to, there will be an Ijesa state today in Nigeria alongside other traditional states in Nigerian Yoruba land.

It was the independent spirit of the Ijesa nation and the drive for self determination that caused or led to the colonization of Nigeria, otherwise Nigeria may not have ended up as a British colony. It was the Ijesa led civil war against the order imposed by Ibadan that resulted in Nigeria’s colonization when Yoruba elders, business men, clergy and traditional rulers wrote the British to come and end the sixteen year long civil war. The British intervened and it ended in colonization for the whole of Nigeria when the Egba voluntarily came under British protection in 1914 . If not for the colonization, someone like Aare Latosisa of Ibadan might have ended up as the Haile Selassie of Yoruba land by visiting the United Nations and etc on behalf of Yoruba land.
The Ijesa are therefore a nation of their own with millions of people living on the ethnic land which is a land that has been defended for over a thousand years. However, unfortunately, Nigeria does not deem the Ijesa worthy of having their own state and controlling their own security over it, something that was taken for granted by the Ijesa ancestors.
Many things are wrong with Nigeria and the upset of the British brokered referendum way of creating states is one of the most serious.

cocolacec:
If ESN is approved then Fulani Vigilante group by Myetti Allah will be accepted.Only constituted authorities have a right to form security outfit.

In actual fact, a private estate or company can have a security outfit but I understand your point. The security of a state is better taken care of by the government

I do not believe in the Abrahamic gods too but before religion there was God the father, the great spirit. There is enough evidence to prove the existence of spirits and by extension God.

Why IFA is not a religion.

If you can use the 256 signs of Orunmila very well, you will be able to open any secret if your spirit agrees with you and such a person with that knowhow is called a Babalawo or Awo Orunmila. It is a science. A spirit science. There is no dogma in it at all and that is why it is not a religion. The logic is that nothing happens without its IFA being cast. A trained Babalawo or Awo Orunmila when confronted with a new event or scenario will start thinking about the IFA cast for it.

Take a place like Kano or Kaduna, how did you determine that Igbos have more investments there than Yoruba?. In Lagos, would you say Igbos have more than Hausas?.

New Odus of IFA November 12 2024.

Obara Osa

When a man’s conduct has become a threat to civilization, he is restricted to a correctional home.


This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson who said religionists should only be allowed to operate in their private homes while only traditional spiritualities are allowed in public.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.

Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
Religion has brought untold misery to the human race since its inception over two thousand years ago. It is high time it is restricted to private spaces.

Ogbe Otura

Surround yourself with and admit into your life only those who make your life easier.


Iwori Oturupon
I am in my safe haven and your predicament is caused by you.

This was the IFA cast for the citizen blaming fellow citizens for being homeless.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
It is the job of government to make sure housing is affordable for all and sundry in the country and not that of individuals.

Note

I have encountered many people blaming homelessness in high income countries on poor choices by the homeless but it can not be gainsaid that it is the job of government to fashion out policies that will make sure housing is not out of the reach of anyone in the country no matter their income level.

Ika Otura
The seed is fine tuned perfectly in the nursery.

This was the IFA cast for the spirit of the major ancestor which will not go to just anywhere to incarnate.
It was advised to sacrifice
It listened and complied
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
A major ancestor will not go anywhere to incarnate but where the foundation will be strong.


Ogbe Irosun

When you operate with sincerity, you will be overwhelmed with alignment.

This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson during the third world war whose well wishers were numerous.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
Akin Lawanson enjoyed support from a teeming mass of onlookers during the third world war.
The naysayers and discouragers were a pitiable minority.

Otura Ogunda

We have to tread carefully because whatever we put together this lifetime is what we are going to reincarnate to meet during the next.

Note
Life is a cycle of incarnations. That we don't remember our past incarnations does not mean we were not the ones that lived the lives more so that we are always fighting basically the same battle. If we raise our children well, we will have good lines to incarnate into and this applies to everything we set right.during our lives.


Osa meji
Everything in the holy book is true.


This was the IFA cast for the religionists who would quote their holy books as if they were quoting an academic work.

Note
It is very common for religionists to hold their holy book with reverence more or less surpassing that of published and peer reviewed academic works and this should not be so by any means because even carefully peer reviewed academic submissions are often discredited over time and this does not cause the heavens to fall.

Oyeku Ogunda
An almost out fire can still be livened up

This was the IFA cast for the Jews of the new nation of Israel who brought back a language from near dead status to become a lingual franca for millions.

Irosun Ogunda
Solely for the profits.

This was the IFa cast for the British that formed the first corporations which are associations of individuals solely for making profit.
They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
Corporations were set up to make profit for the shareholders and the drive led to the industrial revolution.

Oturupon Owonrin

All printed Qur'ans are deities

This was the IFA cast for the mob of Muslims who set a man on fire for desecrating his own Quran despite that they preach against idolatry.



Oturupon Irosun

Your revenue size is your size as a nation.

This was the IFA cast for the small and efficient nation with a strong revenue drive.

Note
In a world where the cost of living is equalized and revenue drive is equal, the revenue size will be a clear indication of the population size.

Oturupon Oyeku
If I am careful, I will not be caught again.

This was the IFA cast for the old man caught committing a crime who was not forgiven.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened but did not comply
On looking people of Po and Offa!
An old man caught committing a crime is not doing so for the first time.

1Sharon:
What is the root word in Arabic?

I don't know the root word in Arabic. My post said it originally was Europa which meant west of Phoenician. The Phoenician language can be described as the ancestor of Arabic

1Sharon:
In what Malian language?

Not in a local Malian language but in Arabic.

How do you love?.

You can love everybody equally and you must but you can not be responsible for everybody equally. You also can not love somebody more than they love themselves according to the Yoruba saying ' Omo ma pa mi to ba ya a di omo ma pa Ara e!. If a parent is begging a child to behave and let them have peace of mind and long life, the plea will soon turn to behave well for your own good so that you do not die young

Palestinians and Jews should strike a deal.

It is better for Palestinians to be allowed to return to the land they occupied in 1947 without disturbing current land use in Israel. No sane person is happy at the situation in Israel and Gaza.
Apart from not disturbing land use, the Palestinians should also agree that the land is a co home land for both Palestinians and Jews. All lands want more people. What the Palestinians are experiencing today is what the Jews experienced in AD 70.

If this were AD 70, we would be pressing the Romans to allow the Jews return to Jerusalem the same way we are pressing the Israeli government and the rest of the world to allow the Palestinians return to their abandoned towns and villages in Israel in this AD 2024.
Palestinians should agree that Jews can continue their Aaliyah from any country and that it should go on without hassles. Lands want more people and Jews are spiritually attached to the land. The Jews can only bring progress and development if the deal is struck. An unconditional right of return should be agreed to by the Palestinians.
For both parties, half bread is better than none and it is better they co own the land and co manage it than the situation we have today.
That land even during Bible times have always been shared between Gentiles and Jews and it can return peacefully to that status.
The time we have to spend should not be spent on hating and killing each other but on developing ourselves and our communities.

Donald Trump and why xenophobia is wrong

You should be happy if for any reason foreigners are choosing to relocate to your country to work there and be taxed.
It will then be your task to remould those who are interested in citizenship to what you want them to be.
When any government is planning to deport foreigners or illegal immigrants en masse, then that is a government that is beckoning to failure. That is why I do not support Donald Trump's vision for the United States of America.

The USD: If it is not broken, do not fix it.


Amidst talks by BRICS and associated nations that they will dump the dollar and issue a new currency as alternative global reserve currency, the market is responding.
There was no time the USA compelled all countries to grant the status of main reserve currency to the dollar but after the second world war, the US economy was the most organized big economy and the task of being global reserve currency fell on the US dollar. It could have been the Chinese yuan if China were properly organized with single digit inflation and a large government budget back then.
The USA has managed everything well with inflation never hitting the roof. There have been calm.
There is nothing to point to as gain for the USA as a result of the unspoken concession because many nations without such concessions are better off than the USA on a per capita basis.
Presently the dollars outside the USA is more than the one within the USA as the dollar has become a global currency. The same thing applies to all hard currencies to lesser degrees. The lower the inflation, the harder the currency and the more the confidence the market will have in the currency. The proposed BRICS central bank can not handle inflation better than the US federal reserve has been handling it. Latest US inflation figure is just two percent as at November 2024.
If there is a sudden and universal attack on the dollar, it will hurt the US economy and the US can respond by dumping the dollar and all dollar obligations as well.

Glaciation: Why biodiversity does not support the out of Africa theory.

Scientists believe human beings came out of Africa originally partly because the greatest genetic diversity is found in Africa.
However the genetic diversity can be explained away with glaciation. Twenty thousand years ago, most now temperate regions were under ice and thousands of years earlier they were burstling with life. The people had to evacuate themselves to the south in Africa, South America and etc until the ice started to recede again thousands of years later and people started to return. There was nobody living in Europe twenty thousand years ago but there were people there thousands of years earlier.
The places where biodiversity is low worldwide are relatively newly colonized living spaces and that is the reason for the low biodiversity in those places. It will happen again in the future as people will need to leave their land because of ice. Glaciation happens once in a while and we have no idea yet what causes it.

Not all Nigerians speak English but you can say it is wrong to ask Nigerian graduates if they speak English

Any time government is ready to collect tax, the people are there.

LordReed:
Spend away at what? Only 2 purposes are acceptable, charity or organizational uses eg salaries, maintenance, etc. If your spending doesn't fall into these 2 categories then it is taxed. They do it for businesses so it's not impossible to impliment.

Even the purchase of a private jet can go under those headings. The whole accounts department is there for evading tax.

LordReed:
If the government can tax inheritance, lottery/betting/gambling proceeds then the government can tax church income above a threshold not being used for charity or organizational purposes.

Yes it can be done but their response will be to spend away until the remnants is below the said threshold. Even in for profit corporations, where government makes most money is from personal income tax from workers because payment of salaries can not be hidden