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Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 6:51pm On Aug 01, 2022
Maynnmann:
False.
Olodumare is aloof and doesn’t concern himself with earth and humans, it wasn’t his idea to create humans or earth, it was obatala and orunmila idea. He passed the duty on earth to Orishas.
Destiny means something has been predestined before you were born. How then can i have created it?
God is a title not a person, the Israelite god is called Yahweh while yoruba god is called Olodumare.

Where you getting your info from?
You yourself before being incarnated you were an irunmale like Olodumare but your status would be lower. However the main difference between you and Olodumare is that you are being incarnated while Olodumare will never be. Olodumare in council know the end from the beginning while you are free to make your own plans in-between which changes nothing from Olodumare's overall plan. Can the conduct of one errant or hardworking staff change the overall result that the management of a corporation will get?
TravelRe: Osun: The Cheapest State To Live In The South by lawani(m): 6:41pm On Aug 01, 2022
HaykynLibra:
Yes, it is.. In Osun state whenever u stop a mini bus known as korope, maybe the bus moved ahead of u by some distance, don't be surprised when he reversed back to where u are.. Unlike Lagos where u have to run up to the vehicle or wrestle with alot of persengers b4 u board a bus else u are not ready to go.. And withdrawing 4rm POS is relatively cheap also.. I wanted to withdraw 1k, I gave N100 for d transaction fee, lo and behold, N50 was returned back to me.. I was dumbfounded.. Osun is really a cheap state to live in.. No doubt
Yes low cost of living but by far higher quality of life than a place like Lagos.
TravelRe: Osun: The Cheapest State To Live In The South by lawani(m): 6:23pm On Aug 01, 2022
EmekaA125:
Ile-Ife is more urbanized than Ilesha.
Do you mean more highly populated, more amenities, more buildings or more industrialized?.
TravelRe: Osun: The Cheapest State To Live In The South by lawani(m): 6:21pm On Aug 01, 2022
I read some comments saying people pay over 1 million naira per annum for a 2 bedroom flat in Owerri and another place in the SE. Is the person a wealthy retiree?. Which company in Enugu pays a graduate up to 150,000 per month?. Then there is no civil servant state. No state has up to fifty thousand civil servants in the state civil service and the average state has more than one million income earners in the economy.
TravelRe: Osun: The Cheapest State To Live In The South by lawani(m): 12:19pm On Aug 01, 2022
The majority of towns in Nigeria are very cheap to live in and the expensive ones are mainly Abuja and Lagos. The majority of the rest are more or less the same. Even in Abuja and Lagos not everywhere has high rent and rent is the main problem
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 9:13am On Aug 01, 2022
Maynnmann:
False.
Olodumare is aloof and doesn’t concern himself with earth and humans, it wasn’t his idea to create humans or earth, it was obatala and orunmila idea. He passed the duty on earth to Orishas.
Destiny means something has been predestined before you were born. How then can i have created it?
God is a title not a person, the Israelite god is called Yahweh while yoruba god is called Olodumare.

Where you getting your info from?
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 8:52am On Aug 01, 2022
Maynnmann:
He created human not just head. Where you getting your info from?
Olodumare is Aloof he doesn’t concern himself with humans or earth, where you getting your information from?

Obatala also created Earth. I’m not talking about incarnation.
What you said about “ajala mopin” is FALSE. It is ajala mopin that forms the head not “setting incarnation”.
Olodumare is not a meddler and neither is he aloof. You are the main force in your own creation of your character while God is the creator of your destiny. What you are us created by you and your surroundings but more by you. Your destiny is created by you and your surroundings. More by your surroundings under the pre destination of God
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 8:49am On Aug 01, 2022
Maynnmann:
But you know in yoruba mythology, Olodumare is aloof.
It was obatala that created humans and earth with the help of Olodumare first born, orunmila.
And in yoruba mythology, Olodumare is not the only supreme god, olokun is also at par with him.
Olokun is the deity that is resident in the ocean. Olu okun Lord of the seas.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 8:44am On Aug 01, 2022
Maynnmann:
But you know in yoruba mythology, Olodumare is aloof.
It was obatala that created humans and earth with the help of Olodumare first born, orunmila.
And in yoruba mythology, Olodumare is not the only supreme god, olokun is also at par with him.
Forming the head which Obatala was said to have done is not creation. You create yourself before setting out to be incarnated. You do that at the domain of Ajala mopin
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 8:29am On Aug 01, 2022
Kobojunkie:
My expectation is that the creator's notion of perfection is beyond that which the human minds can conceive. undecided

My idea of perfection cannot be achieved by humans because humans are by nature are fallible. undecided
We are a miniature form of the creator. Image of the creator is what we are as individuals. According to the Yoruba theology, when Olodumare want to embark on anything, he will summon his Awos for consultation
CultureRe: Top 5 Ways To Develop Africa by lawani(m): 8:25am On Aug 01, 2022
lawani:
https://www.nairaland.com/950471/ewe-people-ghana-same-yoruba
The Ewe do not speak Yoruba but acknowledge themselves as Ife people and it is what you believe yourself to be that you are. Language can change rapidly and there are many possible reasons for such.
CultureRe: Top 5 Ways To Develop Africa by lawani(m): 8:23am On Aug 01, 2022
PetroDolla2020:
Watch your mouth nigga! Who is not talking sense? You have never been to Ghana. You don’t live there. Yet you know more than me, who is Ghanaian and lives in Ghana?

And you even have the guts to tell me, PetroDolla, I’m not making sense? grin Now, if I tell you that I know more about Nigeria than you, a Nigerian what will your reaction be? Think we’ll before you talk,huh? Fuckeduppedness cool

And where did you learn the nonsense that Ewes are Ife people? Tell me one thing Ewes and Ifes have in common? Name just one.
https://www.nairaland.com/950471/ewe-people-ghana-same-yoruba
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 8:05am On Aug 01, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Well, your personal idea of paradise may not be my personal idea of what paradise should be hence the reason why I asked if that list is yours of Olodumare's actual list. undecided

2. If you have to set new targets after that list there is attained, then that means what you have isn't perfection. If all perfection is simply the same as what we are used to which are continually moving targets, then how can we call it perfection? undecided
There are different types of perfection. To be perfect in character is the easiest and everybody must attain that but a drawing, the delivery of a project and etc can not reach the end of perfection while an individual can in character.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 7:59am On Aug 01, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Well, your personal idea of paradise may not be my personal idea of what paradise should be hence the reason why I asked if that list is yours of Olodumare's actual list. undecided

2. If you have to set new targets after that list there is attained, then that means what you have isn't perfection. If all perfection is simply the same as what we are used to which are continually moving targets, then how can we call it perfection? undecided
What is your own idea of perfection?. If you don't have any then there is a problem because you will not be able to go forward but backwards.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 12:55am On Aug 01, 2022
Kobojunkie:
This is what Olodumare considers the standard of perfection for man in this dimension. undecided
That will be a paradise compared to what presently is obtainable. When that one is achieved, then you set new targets like longer life span, space exploration or even immortality. Those are all possibilities but you must be a degree holder to be admitted for MSc. What I described if achieved would be perfect for now
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 11:57pm On Jul 31, 2022
Kobojunkie:
can humans, an imperfect species, really ever derive or achieve perfection? undecided

Before oyinbo came to the shores of Nigerians, Manu of you olodumare worshippers didn't really concern yourselves with the science of the white man and his many accomplishments up until that point in time, but here you now tell us that Olodumare's plan is for men to achieve perfection in what is really been majorly the science of the oyinbo, how come? undecided
Perfection on Earth can be defined then we work towards it

No more wars.
Even development
Longer life spans
Cheap energy and possible eradication of fossil fuel..
Zero poverty.
Fulfilling jobs for every worker
Every human being on Earth becomes a PhD before age 60.
No autocratic governments
Development of academic theology and a ban on the public propagation of Islam and Christianity.
Rich and high quality of life.


If all the above can be achieved then the world has become perfect enough but as it is not perfect at all. However when all the above is achieved, new issues will immediately arise.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 10:12am On Jul 31, 2022
Kobojunkie:
I don't understand. Why does perfection have to be about these advancements ? Why not something better or more meaningful?? undecided
Advancement is only towards perfection. If you make something better, more efficient and etc then you are moving towards perfection
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 10:08pm On Jul 30, 2022
Kobojunkie:
So the job of perfection involves advancements in all sectors of what is human science? undecided

That is the cloning job we are all here on earth for? If we are most of us broken - focused on selfish desires - how then or when do you expect perfection will ever be reached? How many more billions of souls will be needed to accomplish that task? undecided
Do your part because major advancements in any sector can be championed by only one person and the rest of us will conform but if nobody at all is when there will be problem
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 5:42pm On Jul 30, 2022
Kobojunkie:
So this is a cloning Job going on here of what is another dimension? So how does this dimension become as perfect as the other dimension? undecided
We were all sent here to make this place better as a whole but majority of us focus on ourselves and the people under our immediate jurisdiction especially our children while not bothering about others. If enough people do the job they were sent here from the other dimension to do,brhen Earth will become a paradise in one decade and there will be immense advancement in all sectors of human endeavour until the civilization ends.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 4:56pm On Jul 30, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Does Olodumare promise you a destination after death or is it a return trip back to earth after death?, undecided
Everything in this dimension is an image of the other dimension and people are being sent to this dimension by incarnation of people in the other dimensions until this dimension becomes perfect like the other dimension of Olodumare.
CultureRe: Top 5 Ways To Develop Africa by lawani(m): 4:37pm On Jul 30, 2022
PetroDolla2020:
Can you imagine! You have never been to Ghana and yet you talk as if you know everything?

Well, there is nothing like yourabaland in Ghana, Yes, there are Yorubas from Nigeria who have lived for about 100 years in Ghana, but they are Nigerians who came to hustle in Ghana. I believe there are Ghanaians who have lived in Nigeria for many years. Are these Ghanaians Nigerians because they have lived in your country for many years?

You mentioned Amedzofe. To the best of my knowledge Amedzife is in the Volta region. Yes it is in the Eastern part of Ghana. But the people of Amedzofe are Ewes and have nothing to do with Yoruba. I don’t know where you got your history from. But you need to review your source or information.
You are not talking sense because if I need to travel to know everything I know then I won't know one tenth of what I know until I die. The Ewe are Ife people according to their culture but they are not Yoruba speakers. They have their own land in Ghana but there are also ethnic Yorubas on their own land in Eastern Ghana of up to fifty towns which is an equivalent of a sovereign country.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 4:33pm On Jul 30, 2022
Lukuluku69:
Orisirisi on Nairaland.

Mr. Aborisha, ride on.
Ride on too just keep to your lane and don't come to my surrounding to describe God as a mad man.
Christianity EtcRe: The Difference Between Olodumare And The Muslim Allah. by lawani(op): 1:13pm On Jul 30, 2022
We have plans which we involve in self interested actions to bring to pass but the actual destination or destiny is known and determined only by the Invisible hand which is God as conceptualized by Adam Smith the Scottish philosopher of the eighteenth century but we must always take part in self interested actions without leaving anything to Olodumare(God) from the beginning to the end.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 10:53am On Jul 30, 2022
PastorAIO:
Innovation is not bad per se but we should supplement hypothesising with practical experiments. When you come up with a theory, first try it out and if you do and it works then you can report the results to the rest of the world. However if you are going to just theorise blindly then there is no end to human imagination. You'll end up saying the most outlandish things and if anyone follows your theories in practice they may end up hurting themselves seriously.
That is how I work and everything I say I practice. Everything I say or believe is also in.progress, in motion, not cast in stone and etc and will be discarded immediately I find something better. I have discarded a few notions in the past ten years that were not adequate. No one gets it all together at once.
Christianity EtcRe: Why You Should Never Pray by lawani(m): 9:46am On Jul 30, 2022
Your submission is intelligent but prayer has always been with us. Not the Christian or Muslim type though. You pray to seek clarity before an Ifa divination. You also pray when you are helpless and at other times, you take charge.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 7:49am On Jul 30, 2022
PastorAIO:
There is a distinction between Egungun Ara Orun. and Egungun Alaso.
Okay it will be the Egungun Alaso that was introduced by Alaafin Sango. Would it be of the type that perform all sorts of magic, used for ceremonies and etc?.
Even the first Oba of the Oyotunji claim he invented a new way of communicating with the ancestors using Ifa. I myself do not use the ikin or opele to generate odu. I use other means, so innovation is without limit.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 7:44am On Jul 30, 2022
PastorAIO:
But you can serve the Ori of other. people.

Ifa. can. tell a man that if he wants to. prosper he should go and feed the Ori of his wife. This happens a lot. or the ori of a. child.

Meanwhile Babalawo. can help a devotee to serve his Ori. A person that wants to feed his Ori can call his friends to help him to do so.

I don't even know what you. mean when you say 'worship'. Do you mean offering of ębo?
Yes I wanted to say that because if you offer sacrifice to a specific Ogun, then you are worshipping or propitiating the head of that individual. The worship of any Orisa is the worship of Ori since that is a person that existed. It is the Oris that become exceptional that emerge as orisa or prominent Egungun. All ancestors are Egungun and the Egungun institution is to communicate with the ancestors.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 7:36am On Jul 30, 2022
FOLYKAZE:
Olodumare is God just like the other Irunmoles are God.

Olodumare is one of the Irunmoles. 401 is more than one hence Orisha system is polytheism.

Everyone is supreme in their own domain. Eledumare is the supreme of ALL just like Brahman.

Ori is the supreme in ones life.

Egungun is supreme to Ori.

Orisha is supreme to Egungun.

Eledumare is supreme to ALL.


Ori, egungun and orisha are Gods. Stop mistaken deity as a separate thing from god. They are same thing.
If you want to say Olodumare is also a mere irunmale, you may be right but I will still insist he belongs to the highest species of irunmale just like we are the highest specie of living things. There are all sorts of irunmales. Ants, trees, dogs horses and etc just like all sorts of living things but Olodumare is special by chairing a council of 401 irunmales totalling 401 highest ranking irunmale. A king does not rank as other people and the fact that Olodumare does not need to rise from his throne to do anything by himself does not mean he is the same as an orisa, eegun and etc. What do you now want to call that personnel if not God?. The residual attribute that separates Olodumare from Orisa or Egungun is that Olodumare will never be incarnated on Earth. If he is incarnated, then another irunmale obviously has taken the title. Isn't it?.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 7:25am On Jul 30, 2022
Awo yin Ifa, Ifa yin Olodumare.

I still haven't grasped egungun and its relevance in Yoruba religion.

Egungun as a system was instituted by Alaafin Sango in rememberance of Oranmiyan. Egungun's concept is to remember dead ancestors or dead relatives.

How does one praise Ori and Ori goes to praise Egungun when Ori precedes Egungun as far as existence goes?

Ori supersedes Orisa as well.

Ori is next to Olodumare.

It is the Ori that picks whatever Orisa that suits it.

I do not necessarily see where Egungun comes in, really.
Egungun is ancestor worship which existed in Yoruba land thousands of years before the birth of Alaafin Sango but he may have added some innovations to it though but the same name is what they call it among the Igbowho may have disconnected from the Yoruba for up to five thousand years if not more.
Christianity EtcRe: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani(op): 7:16am On Jul 30, 2022
Awo yin Ifa, Ifa yin Olodumare.

I still haven't grasped egungun and its relevance in Yoruba religion.

Egungun as a system was instituted by Alaafin Sango in rememberance of Oranmiyan. Egungun's concept is to remember dead ancestors or dead relatives.

How does one praise Ori and Ori goes to praise Egungun when Ori precedes Egungun as far as existence goes?

Ori supersedes Orisa as well.

Ori is next to Olodumare.

It is the Ori that picks whatever Orisa that suits it.

I do not necessarily see where Egungun comes in, really.
Irete Ofun

Atefun tefun
Tefuntefun ehin ooni
Awo Ori
Lo difa fun Ori
Nigba ti o nti ikole orun bo waye
Won ni korubo
Ogbebo orubo
Ebo Ori WA da ladaju
Ko si orisa to to ni gbe lehin Ori e ni
Ha Ori gbona ju orisa!
Ori ma ma gbona ju orisa o
Ori gbona ju orisa!
Ase.
PoliticsRe: Norway As A Template by lawani(op): 6:55am On Jul 30, 2022
Blue3k:
You're right Nigeria doesnt generate enough revenue. They're almost too dependent on oil revenue. Its so bad the Nigeria has on of the lowest tax to GDP ratios in world at under 6%. We need a tax reform policy and stronger collection.
Only that six percent is extremely high if you consider that ten dollars in Nigeria can atimes achieve what two hundred dollars can not in the G7 nations. The tax to GDP ratio is more like 0.6 percent not 6 percent. At least not more than one percent
Christianity EtcRe: Esu Laaroye- The Police Of The Universe by lawani(op): 8:32pm On Jul 29, 2022
A chimpanzee that can talk with language, make tools and etc is a human being . Not only Homo Sapiens is a human being and not only Homo Sapiens is our ancestors but we are majorly Homo Sapiens spiced with other human ancestors of different species. Different species don't breed together without hitch and that probably is why we have some issues like difficult births and many others. Pure breds don't have difficult births and other anomalies like human beings. I therefore withdraw my concession that a talking chimpanzee is merely a person and not human. A talking chimpanzee would be a human being that will not be able to breed viable offsprings with Homo sapiens. Not a mere person but a full fledged human being of a different species. Just like we have cats of a variety of species

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