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MaxInDHouse:
There is no truth in learning ifa on your own that's totally a wrong move it's only poverty that makes people take such wrong step.
Ifa has a lineage of its own practicers so only children whose ancestors were from the practicers of ifa goes to learn more and such do occur when the spirit of ifa keeps on calling that person to come and serve as its priest such a person may even be wealthy through other means but when ifá insists that he should come and serve as ifá priest he must answer the call.
So saying you learned ifá on your own shows your motive is not pure and ifá won't open the sky to tell you that you're false.
Now see what you are always doing here asking people to come and consult you when you don't even know the indepth of what you claim!😟

You are not making sense. So if I learn say nuclear physics on my own, it can only be because of poverty? That is stupidity. I was drawn to Ifa, was curious about it and learnt it on my own starting from 2012

Moremii:
"Christianity claims to be the true religion"

...and so does Islam, so does Judaism, so does Hinduism, and countless other religions that exist on this entire planet. So simply claiming to be the true religion is not enough. Evidence is still required.

However, do I think there's profound, transformative truth to be found within Christian tradition? Absolutely. The problem is that it has been buried under centuries and centuries of imperial theology designed to keep peasants ignorant and obedient.

The Christ of Constantine bears almost zero resemblance to the illuminating Logos the Gnostics actually encountered. Maybe we can start there before making any claims of exclusivity.

Actually no group claims to be the custodian of absolute truth apart from Christianity and Islam. Even their parent Judaism don't. Judaism is only for Jews. The mistake people always make is to lump all spiritualities together when only two are the problem

MaxInDHouse:
Èèwọ̀ is abomination not abstinence.

I said it several times that you know nothing about spirituality because all spiritualists are spirit mediums and each spirit has what they detests so to consult each spirit that's specially in charge of a matter you must be in tune with that particular spirit which neccesitates abstinence from what that spirit detests.

For instance you need to connect someone with the minister for works and the minister hates body spray because he is asthmatic since you are the one connecting the needy person to the minister you must first abstain from body spray even if you love it and also tell the the person you are taking there to do the same thing.

Ọmọ that is what fasting means!

But the Babalawos do have a saying that Babalawos do not fast and that saying is in mockery of the Muslims. Fasting in that sense only mean abstinence from food. I have never said I am immersed in Iseese. I grew up as a Christian and learnt Ifa on my own.

Ofodirinwa:
APC introduced using IGR to measure success and it strongly believe it will be the death of any state or region that adopts the mentality. HDI cost money but very little of HDI is determined by government. IGR is just how much revenue you raise from taxing. the UAE has an IGR of 0.6 of GDP Ethiopia is at 3.4. Gambia is 18.4. Lesotho has the highest in the world at 37.3.

UAE taxes next to nothing because they want people to shop and sell as much as possible. When the US wants to slow
If a government has free education, and another government charged money for the exact same schools. Who produces the higher IGR? Who provides education to more people? Some states for example can also improve IGR by simplifying tax collection. In the process, nobody's life improves but IGR does.


IGR has 0 coorelation with HDI and development

Tell us of the countries with high HDI who don't have a big budget compared to their population. UAE has a low IGR but they depend on oil money and have a low population so they can have a high HDI. Tell us one country with no free revenue and with say one percent or even five percent tax to GDP ratio and are having a high HDI

MaxInDHouse:
Stop lying nah.
You are GenZ Babalawo, real babalawo don't ask anyone to come for healing or wealth their duty is to consult spirits regarding what their customer need to do or where he has made a mistake in the past so as to retrace his steps.
The abstinence Babalawo often engage in is to strengthen his connection with the spirits because all spirits do have what they detests therefore during the period a real babalawo wants clear directions on certain matters he must abstain from whatever the spirit in charge of that particular thing detests of course that's what we all know as FASTING!

Taboo or Eewo is not the same thing as fasting

Kobojunkie:
You seem interested only in telling meaningless stories, but not in presenting backing for claims made. You claimed that Nigerian tribes exported goods to Europe and America. But have yet to provide even one reference backing up your claim. Why do you insist on pushing a narrative that you are unable to back? 😒😒😒

2. Ah! I see! Your intention all along was to lead us down a meaningless path all along? OK! 😒😒

I don't need to be engaging you if you don't know these basic things. I will not give you any evidence. You only know to speak English. I only responded because of how you put down your own ancestors

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i stopped engaging you because you always tell lies deceiving yourself and the people believing you.
I'm not a traditionalist but i was close to them back in the 80s and 90s before i started studying the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses.
You said Babalawo do not fast shey?
Perhaps you know more than all traditionalists in Africa o!🤔

If you were really close to them as you say then you would have known that it is a common saying that Babalawo do not fast.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where is your evidence that your ancestors exported goods -- not slaves -- to Europe and United States prior to the British colonial days? 🥱🥱

2. Records show the British ruled all of Nigeria, eventually renaming all of the land mass as of 1914. So,where is the evidence you have to support these obsequious claims you keep making of the British only ruling parts of Western Nigeria alone? 🥱🥱

The Yoruba made excellent clothes. Over ten types. There are Yoruba clothes in Brazil today still being worn that got there centuries ago. Hausa leather was known in Europe as Moroccan leather centuries before the first Europeans arrived on the shores of west Africa. Clothes and soap formed the bulk of the non farm produce exports of west Africa to Europe. Palm oil was the first fuel of the industrial age and it came from west Africa. It is no different from west Africa being the only crude oil producing region on Earth today.
Where did I say the British ruled Yoruba land alone? I don't have the exact dates for other regions

aieromon:


Wishful thinking

It is infact a potential revenue source for government

aieromon:
What happens to the persons who refuse to provide an update? Who will provide the funding for the database update?

The NIMC cannot supersede the role of the NPC.

NIN registration is ongoing at numerous centers all over the country. If you don't update, then they freeze your bank account if it is still working and then mark the id as dead after a length of time

Kobojunkie:
1.Name some of these innovations. Since, we are referring to a period of about 200 years, you should have no problem listing at least 5 of them.

2. Local consumption and export including to Europe and Americas? Name some of these products so we can figure out exactly when it was that Europe and Americas engaged in this trade. 😒

3. The British colonized only Yoruba Land? Come on now with this revisionist nonsense! The British established themselves in Lagos and eventually moved to colonize the entire country, including the Northern States which had been under Islamic colonization for almost 1300 prior as it targetted the Sokoto Caliphate in battle after battle until it eventually took over. 😒😒

Go and research. I am not here to spoonfeed anyone. Your ancestors of 1850 were many times better than you are today in comparison with the rest of the world. If nothing else they produced their own clothes, tools, weapons and etc and they grew rich by exporting goods

The British ruled all of Yoruba land only between 1897 and 1951. Egba land only between 1914 and 1951. Your ancestors were better than you and you are here denigrating them?

Alapereketu:
20k for consultation fees on your profile

Something way I go pray and fast for 30days and God will answer my prayers immediately

Babalawo do not fast. You don't have to fast to do expert work that you were trained for.

Kobojunkie:
I made absolutely no mention of Christianity existing in the first century. Rather, what I said was the movement that resulted from the teachings of the man named Jesus is documented in independent works that date as far back as the 1st century. 😒

2. My forefathers were traditionals who produced and invented nothing of substance or praise until after the white man arrived on the shores of Africa. Yes, white man brought Christianity, but...😒

... again, I said nothing of Christianity but rather of the man named jesus Christ... He didn't invent Christianity nor did he bring Christianity to Africa.Can we please stick to the topic.... stop f-cking derailing the thread of conversation.

Your ancestors 200 years ago were doing as well as any other group on Earth. They brought innovations as well and had an advanced society. Their art today is among the best in the world. They had the tech of the day to produce for local consumption and export including to Europe and the Americas. The British colonized Nigeria or say Yoruba land only from 1897 to 1951!. You have been spreading this kind of tales online and it is better you stop.

Alapereketu:
did Jesus really exist

Someone bearing that name never lived in Judea at any time but the concept of Jesus Christ or Iesus Christ always existed among Hellenistic people. There was never any Jew at anytime in history that was called Jesus Christ. Not in the past and not today.

There were many Jewish Messiahs that were slain by Rome and they were more of a problem dead than alive because their followers will insist they rose from the dead fuelling more insurrection. So a particular one was not buried but thrown in a gully by the Romans to rot there so his followers can see he did not rise from the dead.

Isa bin Yusuf too was a Jewish nationalist and preacher but he had no wherewithal to confront Rome and was preaching theology the Jewish theocrats considered to be heresy yet he had a substantial and growing followers hip. To avoid arrest by the Romans, he insisted his kingdom is only in the hearts of men and said Jews should continue paying tax. He was never a problem to Rome but the theocrats hated his guts. The theocrats were the ones that killed him with a go ahead from the Romans. As expected his followers started to say he resurrected and they were expecting his second coming. The followership was only for Jews but one of the converts named Paul who never met Isa started to convert Gentiles and it became open for all. These were Hellenistic people. Even the Romans were Hellenistic people and the concept of Iesus the perfect son of Zeus was super imposed on the movement that started as a sect of Judaism. The group was originally called Nazarenes after the birth town of the founder but the Greeks of Antioch nicknamed or renamed them Christians seeing them to be of good conduct. Many Muslims still call them Nazarenes or Nassarawa among the Hausa Muslims. The founder never intended the group for non Jews as he never associated with them

mandarin:
The NIN is the factual data that can form factual baseline for estimating population in Nigeria alongside BVN, phone lines, drivers, voters cards and international passports.

If you base your computation on this and not rely on disputed and faulty estimates, Nigeria population may just be over 200m and not up to 230m as being touted. Each of these means of identification has their faults but they c an provide us with reasonable values.

The core argument that many young people don't have the NIN for instance is a common denominator within +-10% . The core north historically do have more people mobilized for government issues especially with certain rewards such as resource allocations etc. the Fulani population was used in the post 1963 census to shore up the NW population.

Factually speaking, the difference between the Hausa and the Yoruba are two largest groups with +-5m difference between them. I believe the population of the NW is grossly exaggerated. Although the NW has better rural dwellers, am still yet to see where their estimated population live. Believe you me, its possible Kano may have enrolled more than 90% of its people into NIN including the almajiri who some may have sometimes been provided with voters card during elections. So instead of assuming that the North is under registered, it may be the north that is better registered than others. Kano state for instance cannot probably exceed 14m and still far behind Lagos state

I don't understand Kano. I saw one stat years ago that shows Kaduna students that registered for NECO to be almost double Kano students but the recent records say Kano is around the same number of students as Lagos. Kano also have more internet subscribers than Oyo but much lower than Lagos. Kaduna is also said to be producing more maize than Kano which is a wonder. Then Kano has only one major city which is around 5 million in population which means up to fifteen million people live in rural or semi urban areas in Kano. Kano has around half the number of hotels in Osun or Anambra and less than one third of what Oyo has. The indications that Kano is more populated than Kaduna are things like number of internet subscribers and now this NIN registration but my mind has never left that NECO stats of many years ago showing Kaduna to be double Kano

aieromon:
This is the update as at October 2025.

https://nimc.gov.ng/nin/enrolment-report/october-2025

How do you track dead persons?

It can be required for everybody to update once every three years for the NIN to remain valid.

Morizo:
What you wrote above is overestimation by a wide stretch. How can you say minority is just 5 - 7 percent in Lagos? That alone shows you are just quoting figures to support a fallacious point of view.

Do you really know what is the minority question in Nigeria?

You mean in an estimated 250 million tribes and just 7 percent in Lagos? One of the first sellers of Lagos is a minority tribe from the Benin Kingdom. You should read about the old empires in Nigeria so you know that it's the military Dictatorships that concentrated resources in the majority tribes. A minority Anthony Enahoro moved the motion for self determination in 1957.

That alone should tell you where the minorities lie politically before the 1966 coup that brought th shake up

I repeat again, the minorities put together are far more than the three major tribes in population, land mass and natural resources. Go write that down and research

Even within the three majority tribes there are ethnic minorities who are suppressed. In the south west Ondo we have some ethnic minorities like the Ilajes and others. So with other states in Hausa, Ibo and yorubas. But there's no majority tribe trapped within the minority States.

The military states creation is also responsible for some issues because boundaries were not delineated according to ethnic groups in many places but by connection to the Head of State then...hence most minorities were trapped with the majority
Southern Kaduna is just one of many minority tribes in Southern Kaduna. What about the Nupes?

Yes SW as a whole not Lagos alone can't be more than 5-7 percent non Yoruba and there are no none Yoruba Lagos indigenes except the Egun who are more or less Yoruba. The Egun are Fon and only differ from the Yoruba in language. Can you point at an example of a Lagos island indigene that is not a Yoruba? Then Benin city of the empire is not the Benin city of today. The Benin of today can not communicate with Warri or Akure without speaking English but the old Benin spoke Yoruba with them. Also the present Benin is even today surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements and even the non Yoruba speaking settlements around there still speak Yoruba. Benin city was Yoruba and the Benin that went to Lagos were Yoruba people that bore Yoruba names and spoke Yoruba. I wonder why many refuse to acknowledge this. The people in the city today used to live in the suburbs. Then where did you see Ilaje people that say they are not Yoruba? In the past say 1910 they would have said so but not today. However there was no time they did not know that they were the same people with the rest of the Yoruba just that it was only the Oyo that was called Yoruba while others used their own identities and outsiders called everybody Aku, Olukunmi, Anago and etc and we called ourselves Omo olofin, Omo Oduduwa or omo ile Kaaro oojire before adopting the Yoruba label given by the British for convenience. It does not mean we were formed into one people by outsiders. The Oyo empire stretched to Ghana and we were aware of ourselves and knew there were other people different from us. There were always none Yoruba in our markets.

I am not saying there are no minorities but Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo are more than forty percent of total and infact Yoruba and Hausa alone constitute a simple majority. I however believe all minorities should control their territory and have autonomy no matter their population. If it were the civilians creating states according to the rules laid down at independence then all minorities would have been ok today with at least their own police. State creation by the military though a good idea was done arbitrarily and everybody is now fighting for more states with no rules on how states should be created since they must be equally represented at the Senate and even the house of rep seat allocation is arbitrary. Those are the issues.
There is a minority problem which will be solved immediately we agree indigenous people have right over their traditional territory that they held for millennia before colonisation

meobizy:
Afrobeats. Not to be mistaken with Fela’s Afrobeat. Fela innovated that.

Afrobeat is not something practiced worldwide.

Morizo:
Those statistics are flawed and be bold to name a source.

But nonetheless you said "people living in" those lands not people indigenous to those lands.

Please research my submission. The minorities in Nigeria are more and also resourceful. For example, Southern Kaduna people and Taraba and Plateau across to Nupes, Kogi ethnicities, down to the old Ogoja region and entire south south are all in the minority equation by strictly tribe

A lot of minorites speak the majority language as a second dialect but are not in anyway related in a major sense. In some cases their lands were invaded and their culture suffered subjugation as in the case of the North.

There are books you can read on the minority question and browse the interviews of the late Edwin Clarke and MT Mbu of blessed memories

I used NIN to determine the population of states by comparing them to Lagos. Lagos is like 23 million and the whole of SW over 55 million. There are still ethnic Yoruba land in Edo, Delta, Kwara and Niger. The total is easily over 70 million and non indigenes will be max of 5 to 7 percent because of Lagos. In other places apart from Lagos they are less than 3 percent.

SE is eighty percent of Lagos by NIN which makes their population like 19 million. Igbo land in in Delta North, Rivers and etc will take it to 25 million

NW minus Southern Kaduna is Hausa homeland and that will be around 60 million people or less by using NIN as well to compare them with Lagos.

NIN, voters registration, internet subscribers, active SIMs are all valid data that can be used to estimate population

Parachoko:
NIN can't be used

In short, what you are saying is that a state with a high NIN registration figure can have a lower population than another with a lower NIN registration figure? Alright

Naijaepic:
So, you agree that your initial assessment is flaw?

PS: Key criteria for accuracy of NIN as a population yardstick for a state is residency not citizenship. At the national level, residency is irrelevant.

If you moved from Lagos to another state. Others too moved to Lagos from another state. It cancels out. That is my position. All such movements are not significant enough to affect the data and conclusions gotten from the analysis of the data

Naijaepic:
This claim might not be totally true.
I have my NIN registered when I was in Lagos back in 2011, I have had course to update some data from my new state many years later, what I find out is that the old addresses on the NIN is not editable.
In my mind, even within a state, tenant can relocate, so why was that field unchangeable.

So, I believed if going by that claimed of yours, the data will be flaw

That applies to all states and not only Lagos

CodeTemplar:
The sort of parents likely to settle in Lagos dont want more than average of 2-3 children per wife(if many wives). Northerners can have much more per wife. How do you account for such disparity?
Also there are many adults in Lagos unmarried compared to Jigawa and Zamfara. How so you account for those?

Having more than three kids is now rare. How many people do you actually know that have more than three kids anywhere in the country whether North or south?. I am not saying my method is perfect but it is near perfect. Lagos will not attract on the overall much more than it's fair share of workers or adults. Many industries don't even exist at all in Lagos and adults work in those industries. So everything evens out

Parachoko:
Less than 130 million Nigerians have NIN.

It does not remove anything from the validity of my position or how does it?

CodeTemplar:
Makes sense but the pattern doesnt guarantee uniformity. Lagosians might be averaging more Adults per 1000 human population compared to Jigawa, and we know adults are more in NIN compliance. Overall a good idea. Instead of using trillions to count ojoro.

I want to believe the disparity is not significant. Farming is a major occupation in Nigeria and the majority of Lagosians are not farmers. Lagos does not really have much more than ten percent of the job opportunities in the country. We are six children in my family and only one person is in Lagos

WizardOfNG:
You may be right because AI, even the same one, can give two different answers to same question at two different times in one day because it has used different sources of data to present it's conclusion.

My point, which remains the same and despite any indices used, is that the SE has the smallest number by far ("fraction" as AI describes it) of non-Indigenes living there permanently in comparison to other region of Nigeria.

This is direct confirmation, despite the numerous excuses Igbos give, of the principles of economic migration which is simply that people move where everything is better for them overall than where they are coming from.

Majority of Nigerians avoiding the SE, despite Igbos making diversionary and senseless excuses of Anambra IGR plus Nnewi trillions etal, is proof Igbo land is not pleasing to Nigerians, socio-economically, as a region they would leave their States to relocate to permanently.

This is the point I am making about the SW and SS when I insisted they are the most socio-economically valuable regions of Nigeria by far.

I don't really agree that any SW city apart from Lagos is more cosmopolitan than SE capitals. If there is a real government revenue drive in the country, what you get from each region will correspond with the population. The SW and SS are much more populated than the SE so you shouldn't expect the SE to be at par with them

You can use NIN to estimate population using one state as reference


There has not been a census in Nigeria for years but there are enough digital data with which to compare the population of states and if the population of a particular state is known then the population of the entire country can be estimated and it would be accurate enough.

For example if we all agree Lagos has 21 million people as the UN agrees the metro area contains 17 million people and we know the NIN registration is 12:million then we can say Osun state with NIN registration of 2 3 million is around one fifth of the population of Lagos state all other variables being static. This means the population of Osun state is around 4.5 million.

If we assume Lagos population to be 23 million as some people think then the figure for Osun state will be higher.

You can perform the operation for each and every state and then get the estimate population of the country.

After using NIN data, you can also use other available digital data like voters registration, internet subscribers and etc and you are going to get much the same results.


https://nimc.gov.ng/nin/enrolment-report/october-2025

https://www.nairaland.com/8376120/list-igerias-nin-enrollment-ac

WizardOfNG:
Ogbeni, stop lying. Anambra is your crown jewel in the SE and yet falls behind Lagos, Ogun and Oyo.

Besides, despite your attempt at mischief, you appear intelligent and this is is why I accuse you of being an ethnic bigot.

It is mainly ethnic bigot and those with hidden agendas who'd be intelligent and knowledgeable enough to know the truth yet will keep lying, falsifying statistics and manipulating facts to decieve.

Mr and you know, beyond statistics that are subjective in Nigeria and therefore open to manipulation and numerous interpretations, I am talking about the SW and SS being Nigeria's most socio-economically productive regions by far in terms of the whole range and gamut of socio-economic indices and experiences that makes some geographical spaces more liveable and attractive to investment, permanent settlement of humanity from.different backgrounds and economic migration than others.

First important fundamental concept to accept about humanity, putting the statistics and bullcrap aside, is that humans live and remain in geographical spaces they are most happy in because it offers them best mix of opportunities and personal fulfillment.

How many, for example, are moving to your Anambra in comparison to how huge numbers Igbos are moving to Oyo, Ogun, Ondo etal permanently in search of better lives?

Do you know what economic migration means? USA is richer than Sweden, Finland, New Zealand, Singapore etal yet when was the last time USA had been voted a better nation to live in than those others?

Everything works best in Nigeria for ordinary Nigerians, across the spectrum of socio-economic realities that makes a geographical space attractive, in the SW and SS. Fact many statistics and on-ground reality support

SW and SS, for example, are the two regions where there is tolerance and support for immigrants from elsewhere to build fulfilled and independent lives.

Peaceful and tolerant environment, without a suffocating and bigoted overarching ethno-religious culture that is the case in the SE, also means businesses, FDI and humans will choose the SW and SS ahead of all others today.

With Igbo one of Nigeria and Africa's biggest ethnic group claiming they are over 40 million and more than the Yorubas why then ( see proof below) only a fraction of Non-Igbos live in the SE than is the case with the SW and SS.

Tell is why out of 35 million people in the SE 34.9 million are igbos, and I hope you can state honestly, for once, why economic migration bypasses/avoids Igbo land.

Per your threat to sue me, I triple dare you. Don't stop at threats and talk. Do it

The AI is not correct. If NIN registration in SE is eighty percent of Lagos then the population is eighty percent of Lagos too and not thirty five million. Not NIN alone o. Active Sim cards, voter registration, internet subscribers all say the same thing. The SE population is between 18 and 19 million. I will be shocked if I am wrong.

What Global Practice started in your country?

The corporate model of doing business started in England. Mass production also started in England.
My own country is Ijesa which was established in the Yoruba part of west Africa over one thousand years ago by Owa Obokun onida Arara an illustrious son of Oduduwa. Ijesa was for spells of time independent, it was also part of the Oyo empire for a time when the capital of the empire was at Oyo ile and it was also part of the Oyo empire headquartered at Ibadan before it became part of the British empire.

I am not conversant with most of Ijesa history because it is not taught in schools but from what is visible the biggest thing that was pioneered by the Ijesa that is used everywhere on Earth today is the Hire-Purchase system. The Ijesa merchants who pioneered the system earned the nickname Osoomalo for all Ijesa which the rest of the Yoruba still call us today. Osomaalo means I will not rise until I collect my money. Depicting the tug of war the merchants went through to collect their installments from people they sold merchandise to. The Ijesa went all over West Africa to ply this trade and they must have taken it to Brazil as well.
I do not know any direct ancestor of mine that was an Osomaalo but I heard that the person who became the head of our compound in Ere Ijesa after my late granddad was born by an Osomaalo. He was my granddad's cousin.

It is important for everybody to know that Hire-Purchase was not done anywhere on Earth before the Ijesa. The system was pioneered by the Ijesa and from there it went to the rest of the world.

What started in your country that is now practiced globally?

givedemwotowoto:
The reason Nigeria won’t work is this idea that someone as a Nigerian citizen can’t be treated equally other parts of the country.

Though we all agreed through the constitution that we’re all to be treated equally everywhere in the country, groups of people insist against that you can’t contest political office if you don’t have something that says “State of Origin” even if you were born and raised in the state.

These same people who claim you can’t be treated equally, also believe that oil and gas resource from a particular region is the collective ownership of everyone in Nigeria

The thing is, if you can’t abide by the constitution, you have invalidated it already

People do contest anywhere actually as it is allowed by the constitution.

Ofodirinwa:
Ohafia is extremely special. I don't know if you're unfamiliar or you're familiar and acting rhetorically, but Ohafia shows an exceptionally high level of rural development that is more comparable to developed countries than African ones. Poverty is a rural phenomena, so rural development is most important for HDI than urban. Thats what makes Ohafia special though it is the norm in Igboland (if anything Ohafia is even behind)

Also, IGR has nothing to do with HDI. Enugu, with it's high IGR, is behind Anambra with it's low IGR. IGR is just how much government chooses to tax. in saner climates, it's used to slow down economic growth

If IGR has nothing to do with HDI, what will you say is the cause of Lagos HDI being the highest in Nigeria or UK HDI being higher than Nigeria's? You seem not to realize that high HDI costs money.
Ohafia from the internet has one bank and one hotel.

He can't be kept in prison after Nigeria breaks up. It is better to focus on breaking up Nigeria than be begging the President for anything