₦airaland Forum

QuinQ:
The SPIRIT is and has always been. Anybody can believe anybody is still alive. The proof is in the pudding. How many times have we seen on Nairaland Frontpage people testifying how Jesus saved their lives, sometimes literarily. I challenge you to show one instance on Frontpage someone said Sango saved his life

Yes spirits continue to exist provided they are not repetitive evil doers. However that is not the same thing as being alive in your mortal body. Then you may not have met them but there are people all over the world who believe in Sango more than you believe in Jesus

erniok:
I guess I was a bit too quick to comment since you mentioned fg investing, thought it was another case of borrowing from dormant account idea they came up with back then but know that no one in diaspora will invest a dime in nigeria riddled with corruption. It's just like trying to fill up a basket with water.

What is needed is just leadership which can come from government or the private sector. Diasporeans will invest in Dangote refinery when it goes public. Aradel or Seplat can do an IPO today to build a refinery and people will buy in and etc etc

danvon:
First of all, departments in the USA go to war on each other all the time, but because USA is a democratic country these battles dont destroy the country. The most popular rivalry is CIA vs FBI but lately we saw DOGE vs the Federal Government, we are also seeing ICE vs county powers.

The story of the Bashorun sounds a lot like a Monarch playing the system and emerging victorious.

No it was not the monarch playing the system. The system led by the Bashorun had removed four Alaafins if I remember right prior to that in quick succession. The members of the Ogboni council (Oyomesi) were totally independent of the monarch.

QuinQ:
Alaafin Sango is not Muhammad
See beginning of the argument below

I know. I am just trying to ridicule you for believing a man born over two thousand years ago is still alive today! The followers of Sango also believe he is alive

adonainana:
It’s affordable because it’s even way cheaper than any power investment which costs billions in dollars

Currently as we speak a 15kwh lithium battery costs 3 million naira (3m divided by 15kwh) 200k per 1kwh

If a sensible government subsidises it by 50 percent with an investment of 2.5 billion naira for every 10,000 kw batteries brought in

That’s almost 10 megawatts off the grid

Coastal road costs 15 trillion naira and it’s a pointless project that doesn’t do or solve a major problem

The serious government can afford it

On the argument that investors won’t invest

That true and that’s good

All the investments that have gone in the power grid it got worse

So it’s better to solve the problem with good clean solar power and everyone stays happy

Your calculation is wrong. Coastal road is less than 1.2 trillion naira. 15 trillion naira mentioned is around ten billion dollars. No single project by any government in Nigeria can be that much. The entire budget is 58 trillion. Then if 10MW battery power is subsidized with 2 .5 billion naira it means 10,000MW will need 25 trillion naira. The country can't afford it. Also remember we need up to 200,000MW to be like South Africa and you are talking of just 10MW

QuinQ:
Please stop already. That you idolize your wife doesn't make her your God. Have you ever seen anyone say Muhammad is God?
Muhammad is dead and buried as are all dead men. Lord Jesus is alive and extremely active!

Alaafin Sango too is alive and active!

adonainana:
There are solar farms ditching out mega watts of Power in different countries Brazil , dubai etc

If every household is self sufficient in generating its own power , the national grid would be left alone

Speaking for myself since I discovered solar 5 years ago I haven’t connected back to nepa light

For factories who really need nepa nepa would be there for them

For the rest households in particular a 5kva system can be easily built and would serve you well and power everything for less than 500k ( if the right govt policies are implemented )

Solar energy is everlasting , clean , and would solve the issue once and for all

I see your point though but what can't happen is government part paying for solar power equipments. They can't afford it.

Then the fear of everybody going off grid is enough to scare away investors

Gajagojo:
China is very different from Nigeria in many ways

First there is a predominant ethnic group in China which is the Han
They can locate projects anywhere without accusations of tribalism
In Nigeria everything is about tribe . Projects are located in the wrong places because of that

The Oodua example you give actually contradicts you
It is not a national company but essentially a Yoruba government business
Virtually all other government businesses have failed from the old Eastern and Northern Regions
Even the Odua businesses are not optimally managed. There is still nepotism
A good example is the airport Hotel in Ikeja. Still surviving but could do better


China has been around a long time one of the oldest countries and did not make economic headway until about 30 years ago.
Why and what changed? Did they start having government companies 30 years ago? No they have done so since the time of Mao but we're stagnant
What changed?

Chinese people are different from Nigerians. They obey their government and are very easy to organise and direct
See how long they were in lockdown

How can you exercise that kind of power in Nigeria as an Igbo man or Edo man for 40 years

It does not matter if Oodua is owned by Yoruba states. It is still owned by government. If possible in China why not in Nigeria? It is Nigeria that is young and not the cultures in Nigeria. The US is young too. I know that ethnic nationalism and competition is a draw back for Nigeria but that does not mean that the privatization of national assets is always the solution. What government can be in short supply of is innovation and if a venture does not require innovation then government can be better equipped to handle it than the private sector. In an upcoming country, government has to lead because capital is not easy to come by. Government can work with investors or seek investors immediately a venture becomes profitable

adonainana:
The lithium batteries are being subsided to solve a national epileptic problem

The more electricity a country can generate the more productive it is

It is a feasible realistic solution , the cheaper a sensible government can make lithium batteries cheaper ( the more grid the country would alternatively invariably generate )

The other alternative is to go and be looking for 85 billion dollars from
Somewhere to fix transmission lines or build another non clean source of energy

Meanwhile the cheaper most effective option is right above

Also most importantly lithium and solar panels have a life span of 10 years meaning once the products are extremely cheap and are in Nigeria and almost every household can easily afford one . Power is sorted for that house for the next 10 years

This is the type of production subsidy economists talk about , a gobevrment subsiding a product for an end product in return

The Oppsite of consumption subsidy such as fuel subsidy which is simply burning of fuel In people’s cars that lead no where

The more individuals generate their electricity in their capacity using the sun the less they would rely on anything called nepa

Those who still can’t do or need nepa can then rely on them effectively solving the problem

You can't run heavy industries on batteries. No country on Earth is run on batteries. Have you calculated how many batteries will be equivalent to even 10,000MW? Then compare it to Nigeria's budget of maybe 30 billion dollars.

QuinQ:
Your question is fully answered, you're just lamely trying to play dumb. Just because you'd kill anybody who insults your wife doesn't mean you worship your wife or that your wife is your God!
Muslims never pray to Muhammad.

Both Sango and Mohammed were humans. The followers of Sango don't kill people for insulting Sango but the followers of Mohammed habitually kill people for insulting Mohammed. Both are obviously idolized with Mohammed moreso.

Your ancestors are always watching. They are the only ones there for you

Gajagojo:
There is a company called Transmission Company of Nigeria
Maybe you can spend some time to get more information

Ok but privatization is not the solution to all problems. The power company of China is government owned and profitable and it is probably the biggest company in the world by revenue. There are companies owned by Oodua group that have been under government ownership since the 1940s in this same Nigeria.

adonainana:
Lithium batteries are imported into the country just like any other imported commodity

If heavily subsidised , the price would almost be as cheap as anything

In turn Nigerians would generate its own power

Every household would generate its own power

Just exactly how obj gave MTN license in 20023 and everyone owned thier handset ever since

Unlike fossil fuels solar has no bye products and it’s clean energy w

All you need is sun for the solar panel and Nigeria has some deadly sun rays

Problem solved

This is what Nigeria has to do and must do to solve its power problem overnight

Nigeria spends billions of dollars or at least hundreds of millions on solar power equipments every year and what is being generated is not captured in the national total. I believe import duties is not much and it actually should be duty free but customs duty is still a big deal to government. Many people are going off grid but solar for a whole house is not dirt cheap too because the panels and the batteries have life span.

I don't think it is feasible or even necessary for the federal government to part pay for lithium batteries for Nigerians. Soon citizens will ask that imported vehicles should be subsidized

Gajagojo:
Actually it has not been removed

At all

The situation is like this there is
1. A generation business
2. A distribution business

E.g. The generation side generates 100 units

The Distribution side might effective sell and get paid for 40

There is a lot of leakage between the generation and distribution
Because the Transmission infrastructure is outdated and inefficient and also because of corruption

The government did not sell Transmission because of sovereign concerns
So either the consumes pays for the leakages or government pays

The generation cannot operate at a loss they have to be paid for what they produce but most of what they produce is just wasted. Or lost


Somebody is paying for it


This goes down to how the privatisation was done

Government did not want to let go of Transmission but Transmission is inefficient and old

Government has a decision to make

Sometimes politics is played by allowing a lot of suffering for a while till an unpopular decision like handing over the Transmission to foreigners seems logical and inevitable

That is the dance we are dancing

The conflict about selling TCN

Is transmission not under distribution? You are saying a separate transmission company should be privatized. Ain't all the assets of transmission under the distribution companies?

adonainana:
If I was Nigerian president here is a shortcut I would use to solve Nigerian powe crisis

Firstly remove all taxes on all solar accessories such as solar inverters , solar panels , lithium batteries

Secondly subsided whatever solar accessories are being imported to Nigeria

Two things would happen Solar would be so cheap a lithium battery that costs 500k right now might be as cheap as 50,000 naira

What then happens is solar inverters is so cheap that a typical 1kva system might cost less than 150,000 naira

Fine the government would lose some money in taxes that it was meant to get on imported solar accessories

But the end product would be greater

Each household in Nigeria would directly or indirectly generate its own power

That like almost 50,000 megawatts via solar panels generated

From barber shops to hotels to schools

Even factories would install solar because it is bloody cheap so cheap some would even go to waste

All civil servants too that work for the FG can also receive inverter system from the subsidy

Overnight Nigerian problem would be solved

There would be less pressure on the grid

Some people would even disconnect thier nepa light cos there is no point

Also sun is free , solar panels lasts 10 years or so

Same with lithium batteries

So just one move

Millions of consequences

This is what I would do if I was Nigeria president

Waiting 15 years to generator enough MW is too expensive

The plan is to do TO NEPA what MTN did to NITEL

give an alternative that would make nepa obsolete

Are you saying Nigerians are paying ten times what other countries pay for lithium batteries and etc? Then solar use and generators are not captured in the data for generated power in the country. The majority of power used in the country is not captured.

How long does it take to build a 500MW plant? I believe it is possible in one year. 500 of it can be built simultaneously. All industrialized countries have thousands of power plants but Nigeria has tens

Even if industry is not taxed, what sustains any economy is industry and not natural resources

danvon:
I don't know much about Yoruba monarchy system but didnt they get rid of the monarch by ordering them to commit suicide? And didnt the monarchs eventually go to war against that committee?

And what is the difference between your version of monarchy and a prime minister with a longer term limit, take Netanyahu as example (which is not a good example).

An offending monarch can be directed to commit suicide if the offense is great enough but often they are just removed. A monarch in Yoruba land can not go to war against the Ogboni. That would be like the US President going to war against the CIA or the national assembly. You can't go to war against your boss. What once happened in Oyo was a civil war that broke out between the Ogboni. The head of the Ogboni who was very powerful wanted to remove the Alaafin but the other members did not agree as reflected in the vote instead of the Basorun to succumb to popular opinion he used his popularity to fight war. After a long time of fighting, the imperial army marched on the capital from where they were stationed in Ajase, modern day Porto Novo. The Bashorun was captured and executed. That is the only case I know of of an Ogboni assembly descending into civil war.

The difference between a Yoruba monarch and a prime minister is that a Yoruba monarch comes from a royal family and there is no term limit. They are also not elected by universal adult suffrage. They are under a one party rule

That project is worth over 50 billion naira. Very commendable. Also try to have a fund that invests in the private sector

dappydozzy:
Did you study History in Primary school ? Or it was removed before you started school ? Kwara is partly yoruba, but mostly dominated by Fulani. Kwara also has a lot of ungoverned spaces unlike main yorubaland .

So forests in your own state can be referred to as ungoverned spaces? Do your own state not have forests?

When in a position of power, do your best and leave the rest. No need to cheat. Do your best and lose is more honorable. If you lose as a result of doing the right thing you will win later in the future. That is the law of nature. It is the way it works

chiagozien:
lolz and Yorubas fighting among themselves is achievements, that's how they lost kwara 😂🤣🤣😂😂


The so called people that love them 🤣😂😂😂😂

Brothers fight amongst themselves. They were independent states but brothers. It is not easy to achieve unity. The Japanese fought for as long as the Yoruba on their island before someone was proclaimed emperor. The only difference is it was an island and nobody intervened. It must be noted that the British government instructed Lagos not to intervene in the Yoruba wars but they had to intervene when the Yoruba elite asked them.

It can be done if they want to do it and it is the right thing to do. However a ruling government can still lose even if it is not done because it has happened before

BOOZELEE:
Trash

You conducted census in kanem bornu to know it contained less people.

Point of correction.There was no Ghana in the olden days so I don't know were u got ur story from.The only Ghana that existed was Ancient Ghana that existed before ododuwa came to existence

Do you need to conduct census before knowing Nigeria had more people than Niger republic in the nineteenth century? You are so disrespectful. Who raised you?

Helinuse:
And then you ended with an attempt to correct me with the concept of a “nation state” while doubling down on your incorrect assumptions.

Somehow, you double down on the fact that the Bornu Empire, that was 20 times the geographical size of the Oyo empire, and was on the plains, was less populous than the Oyo that was a mangrove and swamp. 😅😅😅

Just like saying the Brazilians in the mangrove (exactly like the Southwest) are more populated than the Chinese in the plains and desert (as in the Bornu case).
I know that what fuels your thought is the population of Lagos as compared to northern Nigerian states. 😅😅😅

Benins had nothing to do with Ifa. The equivalent to Ifa for the Benins was Iha.

Just for your help: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/10/100-years-after-how-oyo-empire-resisted-britains-1895-invasion/amp/

That is a history of the conquest of Oyo. 😅😅
Except if you are looking for Cambridge University historians or your assuming history.

You even said I should “know that history from today” that the conquest of Ibadan when the city was ransacked and burned down by the Brits, was actually a happy invitation of th Oyo people for such mayhem. 😅😅😅 The first people the invited others to conquer them.

Ibadan would have been up to ten times the size of Oyo. Show when Ibadan was burnt down by Britain. Did Britain also burn down Ilesa because Captain Bower was sent to arrest Balogun Ogedengbe? I presume the punitive expedition to Benin by a few solders was also a burn down to you by the British. Ibadan was allied with the British and the British came to Igbajo to end the Kiriji war after invitation by Yoruba monarchs, business men, clergy and etc. The colonisation would not have happened without the invitation. The same also apply to Lagos. The Yoruba invited the British to Lagos. You can believe unvetted newspaper articles above university journals. That is your business.
The Yoruba invited Britain to impose peace on their land and they probably would not have been the first to do such. Peace from any angle was better than an unending civil war that had already lasted sixteen years. I hope you get the picture

The Benin till today have Ifa. If according to you they don't have. Are you aware they have Ogun and etc? Are you aware Oba Ewuare was seen as an Ogun incarnate? You may not be aware since you are not aware they have Ifa in Benin city

Till today the area controlled by the Kanem Borno in the past will have less people than the one controlled by Oyo in the past. I don't need to check before knowing because majority of Kanem Borno is desert and throughout history the Yoruba have had the highest populated cities in west Africa. Before Lagos it was Ibadan and before Ibadan it was Oyo ile. It may have been Sungbo's Eredo at one point. When Nigeria started, eighty percent of urban centers were on Yoruba land.

Yes I pointed out to you that Benin and Oyo were empires because they united people of different stock. I also pointed out to you that Ijesa, Ijebu etc were full fledged nation states with army, civil service and hundreds of towns under their control. I was expecting you to argue that they were not since you are already arguing that Oyo was not an empire. Ijesa, Ijebu were not less complex and organized but they were more homogenous and that is the only difference

WhizdomXX:
I thought the Ogboni was like the judiciary.

Yes they were the supreme court and also the legislature

Helinuse:
Can you see that all your write up was never to approach the matter logically but emotionally. You even undermined the Kanem Bornu Empire, by saying “I don’t know if…..” and even said it contained less people.” 😅😅😅 You just needed to search google and look up the map of Bornu and Oyo empire.

Anyways, concerning Persia and Greece😅😅😅
You know the history, but you just want to twist facts. But that proves my point. The Persian Empire crumbled under the weight of it trying to conquer the Greecian Empire. They were constantly at battle. An empire never exists near another.

Britain bordered France but….😅😅😅 None of them were an Empire. In fact, all of them were part of the empire that could be referred to as the “Holy Roman Catholic Church.” 😅 The couldn’t see Empire status by reason of the JudeoChristian brotherly ties. It was after they started discovering distant new lands like Spain discovered the West Indies, that is when they started become Empires. Portugal and Spain (bordering) never battled because they were under the JudeoChristian Roman church.

Oyo to Ghana? 😅😅😅
You are right, even as history have it that they had to rely on the Dahomey, and Akyem, because they could even have a real clash with the Ashanti.


You said the British never conquered Oyo? 😅😅
I guess the Oyo people just handed over the keys to the Queen. Since they were tired of their “civil war.”😅😅😅
Go and read what happened in 1895. Stop twisting facts. That is not how history is made.

I did not undermine Kanem Borno. It is desert. You can't compare it to Oyo empire. It certainly contained less people than the Oyo empire. That is just the fact. Yes Yoruba land invited Britain. It was not conquered by Britain. Know that history today.

Ghana was part of Oyo at one point. They were able to remove the King and put another one. Ghana was organized and civilized so it was easy to conquer because they will quickly understand. Millions of Ghanaians today still claim descent from Oyo

So Christianity is common to Europe but Ifa is not common to Oyo and Benin?

There is no reason to say Persia, Greece, Rome, Ottoman Turks etc were empires while Oyo was not. Even Benin was an empire while others like Ijebu, Ijesa etc were nation states. Maybe you want to say they were not nation stares too?

Helinuse:
Again, projecting the history you learnt about others to yours.

That is the issue.

Not all empires were created or survived by strength.
Some empires were created not because they were strong, but because they just had people of one culture and belief system existing in a location.
Some were survived not because they were strong, but because no one challenged them.

The Oyo empire didn’t exist because of any Calvary or strength somewhere, but because of they had a people with a common culture and tradition living in a location that was geographically impenetrable.

That is why it was a very very very small empire compared to what other called an empire, like the Roman Empire, British Empire, Greece, or even the African Kanem Bornu Empire. That is why the Oyo empire was never recorded to battle with any formidable foe, simply because they were just as surviving empire. Same with the Benin empire, etc. The were just small hamlet size people who couldn’t have people consider important enough for conquest.

That is why the first time they faced a formidable foe (British empire), they packed up. That was their end.

You are here talking about 100,000 calvaries because one guy sat somewhere and wrote history the way he felt like writing it. 😅😅😅

If it was truly a formidable empire, why was there also a Benin empire around it? Or an Ibibio kingdom? Una no even know wetin be empire sef.

You are happily referencing a “Cambride University” as a source. A university that, due to its lack of evidence, relied on people like you to tell your story. And that story became history.

When Rome existed, they bordered Persia the Achaemenid empire. Persia bordered Greece. Britain bordered France. You don't have to subdue all your neighbors for you to be recognized as an empire. Oyo tried to subdue Benin but failed. They were cut off from Ibibio that you mentioned. Oyo could move calvary very fast over vast distances. At it's height it controlled Ghana, Togo and Benin republic apart from other territories. In the eighteenth century Oyo had hundreds of thousands of calvary. How many nations on Earth had that back then? By the standards back then they were a force to reckon with and nobody would joke with them. They accomplished a naval blockade of Badagry in the 18th century. Everything happening in the west African coast called the slave coast was under their control as at early 19th century. No empire was controlling the whole world. You only control in the main your immediate surroundings.

I don't know if the Kanem Borno is bigger in extent but it definitely contained at its peak much less people than the Oyo empire at its peak

The Oyo did not fight Britain. The Yoruba elite invited Britain to come and the civil war in Yoruba land. The British were not interested in fighting Ibadan and if they had been interested it would not have been easy for them because how many men under arms did they have in west Africa? If not for the civil war, the Yoruba would like Ethiopia not have been colonized. Ibadan was allied with Britain and if not with Britain they could have sought other allies. Without the civil war, Ibadan and others could have put 200k men under arms easily in the 19th century.

So Oyo like any other was an empire and it held it together mainly with a strong calvary that could dash anywhere in west Africa within a short time. The US is a strong power today because of the navy. Then they also had a good system that ran well as calvary alone is not enough. Other states in the savannah also had calvaries.

The Oyo empire was not necessarily majority Yoruba. It was not all the Alaafins that were able to subdue southern Yoruba land. Most were not able to.

If Haile Selassie of Ethiopia succeeded in ensuring Ethiopia was not colonized then Aare Latosisa of Ibadan would have succeeded in Yoruba land if no infighting. Yoruba had more connections and were more westernized than the Ethiopians in the 19th century. British colonization was because of infighting

MaxInDHouse:
Even Yorùbá people say:

"Bí ọmọdé bá rí oyin á sọ àkàrà nù"

"When a child tastes honey he will trash bean cakes"

You can't call for the ban of religions when you haven't produced anything better.

True Christianity knows that God will deal with false religions in His own time what we do is change people to peaceful citizens everywhere they are so as friends of the Prince of Peace people everywhere knows us to be peaceful!

Anything better? There was no Christianity and Islam on Earth two thousand years ago. No jihads or crusades. No fighting or hatred over God. There was spiritual harmony and peace globally. Just return to that world. That is the something better.

There is no culture that does not recognize a chief God. They are all monotheist in that respect. Even if they are polytheists they are not wrong

MaxInDHouse:
And the government says there is freedom of expression speech and religion, the only clause is when you are calling for the ban of other religions or fighting against them instead of waiting for the government to do their work!😀

I am online here doing my bit to make the world better and part of what I am doing is push for a ban on the public practice of Christianity and Islam. It is easy to demonstrate they add nothing positive to civilization and that what they add is misery. The government can not just do something. Some people must first push for it and nobody is too small to push for anything. Do your bit and providence will take care of the rest

MaxInDHouse:
Let them come and help you ban other religions in Nigeria if they get the liver!🤣

It is only the government that can do that in a bid to stop the atrocities of religion. That is not the responsibility of IFA priests.