₦airaland Forum

CoronaVirusPro:
You cannot use the actions of few to judge all. Let’s both imagine that my recommendation was approved. Where will you find the criminals and their cattle’s? They will disappear and probably move into other trade where their crimes can thrive of any is left.

But you have to look for measures to separate the good from the bad. Only the good ones will accept your good gesture, and then you will be able to deal with the bad ones.

You can’t offer such magnitude of assistance and be rebuked when you unleash terror on the disobeying ones and criminals.

We are Nigerians, we know how Nigerians learn. I can assure you, before you slaughter 1000 cows, all would have adhered and those that cannot would have left your state

It is not easy for them because the system is their culture and they were born into it. They can't imagine spending money or effort to feed their cattle when that is what other livestock owners do.
They are well off people and can sort out themselves. Other people in business need low interest loans too. You have 500 cows and you are poor?
There is no other way than to give them deadline and they will sort out themselves. The government can help with free training

CoronaVirusPro:
True, and why we cannot call all of them criminals.

The government needs a good justification to enforce laws. Miyetti Allah won’t bark with proper measures. If you need land, visit the state government, and if you need loan, head to GT bank for low interest loans.

With that, you can unleash hell and no reasonable person will stand up to protest what’s not. Such measure will give you the full backing of all Nigerians.

If you are driving just one hundred heads of cattle about there is no way you will not become a criminal because you will destroy people's farms and not be able to pay for it

CoronaVirusPro:
For you to effective laws to stop open grazing, you need justifications for such actions. If as giver of Ogun state with such enormous land mass, if I am able to implement and extend such gestures to herders, then I believe I will be justified to confiscate and use wandering cattle’s to feed the prison inmates and schools.

Northern elders or what do you call their association cannot come for me in such instance. I will be justified to enforce strict laws with no shortcuts.

Before my government slaughters 1000 cows, you will find all in designated zones. You just need a justification to enforce such laws. That justification is what the government does not have now.

Are the frequent clashes and killings not enough justification? Whole towns being evacuated? You can give them free training and other things then you give them a deadline to sort out themselves

CoronaVirusPro:
Let me correct another narrative of yours is wrong and people have accepted it to be true. All cattle herders are not Fulani’s. It is just a general false perception that they are all Fulani’s. Many Northern tribes are in the trade including Hausa’s.

Even southerners are involved too but the majority are Fulani

CoronaVirusPro:
The big shots in the business don’t roam their cattle’s and why criminals cannot hide under that umbrella. Now, that tells you that, of other herders are giving such olive branch yo be confined and run their activities, criminals among them will have no where to hide.

It’s 2025. No one is taking a land a land you leased or sold with clauses. The land owners don’t even need to do anything. We have reputable real estate companies and legal firm that can draft a law binding agreement.

It’s 2025 for God sake. How do you convince me that you will take a land I leased to you.

These sentiments is what has kept the criminals to thrive for over 5 decades and till date, nothing still has been done about it.

Same measures don’t yield different results.

You don't seem to understand that what the cattle herders want are things like grazing route, grazing reserves, right to water and etc. How much land do you need to put 1000 cows? Their problem is that they don't want to try new ways. They are used to the archaic ways. However there are ranches in the country already and the challenge is to make all the Bororo embrace ranching so as to stop the killings.
If they want land for ranches they will surely get it without any government input

nairalanda1:
Yes, like the USA.

Ranching and railways to transport the cows to market and export . Active dairy industry where milking is done by machines ( tho allegedly zebu cows aren't good milk cows)

Yes and despite all the problems in Nigeria beef is not cheaper than other livestock that have to be fed with money. Cattle eats free food. It is therefore better to ranch them and spend money to get feed to them

You can ranch one million heads of cattle in Osun alone even more and be getting hay from all over the country

nairalanda1:
Killings happen there live. As bad as Nigeria

Shey you didn't see where i said that cattle herders in south Sudan are all armed?

Then we have to learn from other countries where there are no killings

CoronaVirusPro:
Please confirm your statement and get back.

You cannot buy land anywhere and personally designate it as a farm. Lands and areas have codes that state what can be done on it.

You can’t even own just 1 cow in a residential area irrespective of your land size. The land has to be designated as agricultural and home stead.

I know you have to obey planning laws but there is agricultural land in all states and all cattle can stay in the south if that is needed. There are vast forests in the south but the farmers will have to liaise with the communities not expect government to guarantee them land. Their problem is not land. The problem is they don't want to stop doing it the old way but even in this Nigeria many cattle owners don't roam their cattle all over the country. They have ranches. Let the others learn from them. I once heard VP Atiku say he has over a thousand heads that are ranched
Cattle is not a small business and if other livestock owners are not roaming their livestock and are competitive why is it difficult for herders? Cattle eats hay and it is not difficult to gather hay to wherever your ranch is located. If you are rearing pigs or chicken you have to buy feed.

CoronaVirusPro:
Land is not free anywhere. In same US, you have agricultural lines and easy access to farm loans to acquire and start business.

You cannot buy land just anywhere for ranching, and most of those massive acres you see are not purchased outrightly. They are backed up by mortgages and those farmers get “MAD” government incentives.

Why not just anywhere?. It can be anywhere with borehole. Just have the number of cattle you can manage. In the UK a whole family might have one or two hundred or less and be selling milk and beef while using a SUV to pack fodder. It is not a difficult business

CoronaVirusPro:
You are right but those countries were able to achieve that through government interventions in forms of mortgages, loans, subsidies, tax and tariff exemptions and agricultural designated zones.

If we try to replicate same in Nigeria, the tribalist and religious bigots will be let loose.

RUGA was a good initiative, but it was politicized and no other diplomatic solution was presented.

There is no need for government to guarantee land for anybody. You just need somewhere to put one thousand head maximum then have logistics to get them fodder. In the US most ranches are not more than 1000 heads of cattle. That unit will employ graduates

nairalanda1:
Kenya,Uganda, Tanzania, south Sudan , Sudan, and Niger, Burkina, Ghana and Mali have the same issues.

Infact in Uganda at one point the army had to be on permanent alert in one part of the country because one cattle herder tribe had a rite of passage for it's young men when they would go and raid neighbouring tribes for cattle. Violence results.

Masai people of Kenya and Tanzania believe that every cow in the world belongs to them. You can guess the end result of such thought process.

South Sudan? Cattle herders have been armed for years..with AK.

IT DOES not excuse the Fulani. Infact , it is time they embraced ranching . Roaming around with cows can't work today..

Some countries might have similar issues but we don't get to hear of killings as is common in Nigeria. Then Britain, Australia Brazil, US, India, China etc all have huge number of cattle and it doesn't cause problems in those countries

What is the big deal in putting cattle in one place with water and then going around to get feed for them. I think it is simple and straight forward

Is Nigeria the only country with cattle? More or less all countries have cattle and they don't allow open grazing. Many have more cattle per Capita than Nigeria and less land

SmartPolician:
The only human beings that women have the mental capacity of helping are those they have blood relationships with.

If you ever go out there thinking that you need to marry a woman because she's doing well and she will help you or that her family will help you, you are making the biggest mistake of your life.

Females aren't wired to be kind to people they don't stand to gain something from! This is no bashing ; I'm only stating a fact

If a girl and her family like you they can help you and support you marrying their daughter. It happens all the time but they have to really like you

zedman1:
I don't think so. Trust me, they were the most humble and trustworthy humans you could ever find in Nigeria until recently times (I assume you know what I mean). However, I still think it's some of those traits that's holding them down from being loud-mouthed like other regions.

Northerners are not many on social media and that is why they appear quiet. I have encountered a few loud ones here on naira land. I agree that they are less likely to commit the common crimes

Similar sound but different meaning
Igbo in Yoruba place names often means forest while Gbo in Ndigbo means all. Ndigbo actually means everybody because Ndi Enugu Ndi Owerri Ndi Abia and etc when they assemble call themselves Ndigbo which means everybody

The Gbo has the same root as gbogbo or gbo in Yoruba which also means all

SmartyPants:
I'm not sure I saw IGR in that write-up. I saw revenue, which implies IGR plus other sources.

That may be correct but their total allocation can't be more than 200 billion per annum if up to that

Softmirror:
Seems you don't know the difference between TRILLION and BILLION.

Zamfara is one of the least populated states

gidgiddy:
You people are laughable. Use Google and check the population of Oyo State and Anambra State and come back to tell us what you saw

Google gav 22022 estimates 0yo 7.9 million and Anambra 5.9 million. That is not much different from my estimate

gidgiddy:
UME applicant of a few thousands? Don't make us laugh. All of Oyo State is not more populated than Anambra State

Is UME applications not a census? You can use UME applications to compare the population of indigenes if the two states go to school at roughly the same rate. It is a kind of census.

By UME applications Oyo indigenes are more than double Anambra in population like 2.5 times

Oyo state has 1033 hotels while Anambra has 749. Oyo has more banks too and every industry is like that if you research online. So it is simply not possible for Anambra to have more population. I am willing to bet that Oyo is more than 1.5 times Anambra in population

franklytru:
Ibadan is 3,080 km sq and South East is 29,388km sq.
Honestly, the way people throw around unverified data is very alarming.
The honourable member could present his case without mentioning SE or Bayelsa especially when he had to do it from the position of ignorance.

What he meant to say which should be clear to anybody is that Oyo state is around thesame size as the SE. It is correct that the SW is being shortchanged by number of state going by the population and output

States should be given on demand and they should not be seen as equals. IGR should determine representation at the center. That is the only fair way to run a federation.

gidgiddy:
There's something you need to know so that you dont keep opening useless threads like this.

The entire population of Niger State is not not up to half the population of Anambra

The entire population of Oyo State is just about the same as Anambra if not less

You can have land the size of China, but if you dont have the population, you will be small despite the size of your land

Anambra is like Lagos. It is attracting population but it is by no means up to Oyo state yet. Imo state has more indigenes than Anambra by far but Anambra is more populated. Among UME applicants by state of origin, Imo was almost double Anambra. All of Kogi, Niger, Benue and etc also have more indigenes than Anamrbra going by UME applicants by state of origin

Now Lagos needs to be ashamed. I hope they will set up an investment company as a priority

theredaddy:
i doubt you understand what you posted, metro area means densely populated area ... the 6000sqkm that is not the total cover of ibadan

lets me help you the whole south east is 29 525 square kilometer

Ibadan metropolitan or built up area is not as big as the SE. If it were it will by far be the biggest city in the world but Oyo state is around the same size as the SE

helinues:
And Enugu state has been suffering from water crises for decades.

Make una dey get una facts right

Water resources refer to surface water that makes it easy to farm. The water problem in Enugu is potable water. The soil type makes it difficult to construct boreholes or wells

The SE has considerable water resources which makes the land naturally more able to support a high population. It has more water resources than Oyo state.

However if not for migration Oyo would be the state with the highest population

zedman1:
Generally, the North doesn't make noise like other parts of Nigeria. Even when they were in power, they were silent, leaving the others, particularly Igbos and Yorubas , to continue with their noises, even till today. You can confirm about that from any topic even here on Nairaland.

Northerners font make noise on social media because they are not well represented on social media or rather they make the little noise they can with their number on social media.

One hundred years ago Igbos had not a single city and they had to go to the west and the North to enjoy high civilization. In the 70s the Igbos had no city to compare with say Abeokuta but now they have up to four cities that are almost double Abeokuta in size.
There is progress.

horluwashegun:
This would only be valid if IGR is collected in USSD

It is still valid if collected in say bags of rice