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Afeni:
There is no such thing as Free.

What do you pay for the air you breathe or the life you live?

But why ketu? Every1 is looking into Ikorodu at the moment. the rate of development is alarming. All the banks and eateries are moving in. A plot of land which used to sell for 250,000 2 yrs ago now goes for 1Million and still increasing. i guess its as a result of the proposed 4th mainland bridge to link victoria island and ibeshe. i actually leave in Ibeshe. I personally will pick several places b4 ketu. magodo, ajah, ikorodu and lekki are hot locations for property investment.

w00t!!!

I hope this is not true. I use ecobank issued card anyway and havent had any problems yet.

There is a difference in the role of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and Today.

"Have them come to The Tent Of Meeting, that they may stand there with you. I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of The Spirit that is on you and put The Spirit on them. They will help you carry the burden of the people so you will not have to carry it alone." (Numbers 11:16-17)

What's the difference? In the Old Testament book of Numbers, when Moses was complaining because the burden of leading all the people had become so weighty it was about to crush him, he pled for relief from God. God told him to gather seventy of the elders of Israel in order to take from the Spirit that was upon Moses and distribute it to the seventy so they could help him lead the people of Israel. That's exactly what the text said happened. God then gave this charismatic empowering, this special gift, to seventy other people, not just Moses, so that they could all participate in ministry. That was not regeneration or sanctification, it was an empowering for ministry given only to select individuals. Moses' prayer was, 'Oh, that all the Lord's people were prophets and that the Lord would put His Spirit upon them!' (Num. 11:29). What Moses prayed for became a prophecy in the pen of the prophet Joel, who said that in the latter days that's exactly what would happen. And on the day of Pentecost it did happen. The apostle Peter said that it was about this that Joel was writing, that now the Spirit to empower the church for ministry is given to everybody, not just to the leaders.

Just because we have the Spirit indwelling us personally, it does not mean that He has had the same relationship with all believers of all times. Indeed, we are unique to all ages in the past in that we DO have the Spirit living within us.

The Spirit was limited in the Old Testament period. He did not indwell every believer. Isa. 59:21 does promise a different and better ministry in the future for the Jew. This will be fulfilled in the end time. Joel 2:28-29 looks forward to this time as well. Peter mentioned that this was what happened on the day of Pentecost, yet the entire text looks to the end times for a complete fulfillment. This is one of the cases where we see a partial fulfillment of an Old Testament prophecy, and a yet future COMPLETE fulfillment at a later date in time.

The Spirit in the Old Testament had a general ministry to the nation of Israel. The Spirit was given to the Israelites for the purpose of instruction (Neh. 9:20). There was an aspect of teaching via the Holy Spirit even in the Old Testament. We, however, see this much clearer in the New Testament times when every believer has that teaching in residence.

FACTS prooving that the holy spirit did not indwell all believers in the old testament as he does now;

a. David knew that the Spirit could be taken from him. (Ps. 51:11. I Sam. 16:13 mentions the occurrence of the Spirit coming upon David. It was at his anointing by Samuel.) This to me seems to have been a situation that might well have been very frustrating to the Old Testament believer. To know the ministry of the Spirit and to know that He might not be there the next day would have been a worrisome thing. Imagine the sinking feeling that Samson must have had when he knew that the Spirit's power was removed from him.


There is a sense in which we should see this concept within the church. We know that the Holy Spirit cannot be taken from us, but we should also remember that when we walk in our own power the Spirit has little, if any, input into our lives and ministries. We know that all have the Spirit in full measure, however if the Spirit is not in control, He might as well not be present. The key in this age is to allow the Spirit free movement in our hearts and minds.


b. The Spirit departed from king Saul. I Sam. 16:14, "But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him." Again we see that the Spirit was not resident in the believers. He did come upon individuals at times, but there is no indication that there was an indwelling of the Spirit as there is in the New Testament.

Indeed, indwelling was an impossibility in the Old Testament. He is the seal of our salvation, and salvation had not been provided as yet in the Old Testament. The Old Testament saint was awaiting his completed salvation. Their sin was only covered until the Lord Jesus could care for their sins.

c. The craftsmen of the Old Testament were especially helped with the Spirit for their work (Ex. 28:3; 31:3). It must have been very special to these men to see their skills enhanced by the work of the Spirit. These were craftsmen and yet the Spirit was upon them in a special way for this ministry unto the Lord.

In like manner, as we see the Holy Spirit working through us, we also ought to be amazed and astounded by what He can do through us if we make ourselves a channel for Him to work through.

d. The Spirit came upon Othniel the judge. Jud. 3:10, "And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he judged Israel, "

As we go out into the ministry, let us rely on His wisdom in our working with God's people and see to it that we do not rely on our own wisdom!

e. The Spirit came upon Gideon. Jud. 6:34, "But the Spirit of the Lord came upon Gideon, " The fact that the Spirit came indicates that He was not already there, thus proving that there was no full time indwelling. For God's leadership over His people, He seems to like men that are sensitive to Him so that He may lead His people through His leaders.

f. The Spirit came upon others as well. Jephthah, Jud. 11:29; Samson, Jud. 14:6.

g. The Spirit was in some. Joseph, Gen. 41:37,38. Just what is meant by the Spirit being in someone in the Old Testament we don't know. We do know that the New testament speaks to the fact that the Spirit had not been given to the believer as yet. Jo. 14:17 tells us that the Spirit did not indwell, in the Old Testament economy as He was to do in the Church age. ", and shall be in you." Jo. 7:37-39 also shows the Spirit was yet to be given.

It might be suggested that it appeared that the Spirit was indwelling because of the work and effect in the Old Testament believers life. This would not require that it be fact, only that it appeared to be so. If a man was allowing the Lord to have His way in his life, then it would surely appear that the Lord was with, or in them.

h. Ezekiel records that the Spirit came twice to him in the first three chapters of his book. If the Spirit came a second time He had to have left. This again proves that there was no indwelling, as we know it, in the Old Testament. Ezek. 2:2, Ezek. 3:24.


culled from several sources including bible.org,open.org etc

I hope we have not deviated

And why exactly should they be taxed? Havent these same people (members) been taxed already or don't they have right to associate anymore.
If the churches and mosques are to be taxed then every union must be taxed as well be it social, religious, sports, ngo's and even family units as long as money is involved. Wife will start paying soup tax, kids pay pocketmoney- tax, launchings pay donation-tax, weddings pay spraying- tax etc
Tax reforms should be handled with care.

Do u hav an example of a pastor or any christain who is agressively annointed of GOD today and yet kills? It happened under the law true but not under grace.
The rod u talked about is called the mantle. Read Chris Oyakhilome's book on "The oil and the mantle". Those 2 items symbolises the annointing. They didnt have the infilling on the holy spirit but he was present in the oil and the mantle.
You can't compare the mantle wit a gun. the holy spirit cannot be symbolised wit a gun because a gun never does anything good.

just seeing this thread Since January? where hav u been lizzy?

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Afeni:
I never said I don't believe in God. I just don't think there is enough information to come to a definate conclusion.

You sound too intelligent to make such a post. You can't sit on the fence. you simply don't believe in the existence of GOD.

Afeni:
Suicide is always an option. Pay no attention to these mis-guided persons of faith. If God (if such a thing existed) did not intend for people to kill themselves he would not have given people that option.
,  God gave us the choice to do what we want (supposedly) that same God is responsible for whatever we do.

Your freewill makes you human. Should God be held responsible for making you human and not a robot.

Suicide is never an option. There is no sin too hard to bear. It becomes difficult when u consider the effect of not conceeding. However, God is never mad at you because of sin. You are only harming yourself and giving the devil an oppotunity to strike by so doing. "whosoever breaks the edge, the serpent will bite".
knowledge is power. People die of ignorance and mis-education.

pastor and police/soldier?
I'll say Hell No. U don't carry the holy spirit and yet wield a gun.

Not in this dispensation. Maybe in the first to fourth, yes, but not in d dispensation of grace. D holy spirit will never rejoice at you killing a sinner.

GODs does call people to ministry but a lot call themselves.

The video is world-class. The song aint bad either.

It falls in the same category of hot videos like #1 song "No be God?"- gyno, 'fuji'-dare art alade, 'lonely woman'-yanju etc.

I especially love the ibo hook.

Oyibos are in trouble. I also hear and saw nigerian youths using Jazz on victims.
I walked into a cafe last week and saw a guy wit 3 marks on his wrist (gbere), and i was told the victims (magas) beg him to recieve money from them. The guy is from the IFA dynasty. i heard its rampant in OSU wher traffic jam is a common sight within school campus. Almost student has got a car.
Spiritual OMG! Nigerians would do anything for money.

nightrider:
funny, but didnt get the chinese joke

r u blonde?

Chinese joke says "Go fxck urself"

U can use www.2checkout.com

U can get more credits by referring others.

The nicest thing i ever told someone is "take all thats in my purse (N6k), you need it more than i do". I just met him for the first time he was really famished. We've been friends ever since and he's better now. Little did i know that he just came out of prison then.

its 1pm but I'm still watchin the live broadcast on AIT.

Free download or paid download?
Anyway check out www.cdbaby.com or www.myspace.com

If u have the money, pay it and dont be stingy. Its not like you are buying her cos u cant, Every human is worth more than $100Billion. Its just a ceremony, Its our culture and there is nothing wrong wit it. Its a sign of appreciation.
However, when purpose is not known, abuse in inevitable. Some men think they are buying the way (how parochail?). Such are the men who turn their wives to slaves.
All in all. I see nothing wrong in paying the bride price but at the same time father of brides shouldnt spoil the rite by turning it into business.
In yorube lan, you might be asked to bring oke (5kobo or so) as bride price. U'll sure sweat for that but its not like they want to make money out of it.
It depends on the purpose but basically i see nothig wrong wit it except u r stingy. You should be able to give anything for your wife.

Testing is useless, he might pass b4 marriage and still fail after marriage. Just go with ur best friend, simple!

I love this joke

Been busy anyway. Thanx 4 d welcome.

women are naturally helpers . Anyway i have seen a male secretary somewhere in Lagos.

enolase:
SInce I am a forum member, you are sure you are in safe hands.

very funny line

Cactus:
softwares don't determine speed, your server and network does, though you may be able to control the speed

Smart guy!. when i say fast , i'm talking in relative terms to other ftp softwares. I'm sure you know that some some softwares are faster than others, achieving this by opening multiple channels wit the 'destination'. e.g download accelerator, You do same with your woiindows operating system as well.
connecting with cuteFTP is usually faster than using explorer (all things beign equal)

Wonderful book. Read it and i'm the better for it