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id911:
Let's say, my sales in Epik and Dan is like in the ratio of 75:25. However, it's reported by some people that end users are mandated to open an account in Epik when there's offer/counter which some of them don't like.

Exactly that's the only issue I have with Epik. The UI is like buggy. Sale process in the buyers perspective is way slower when compared to Dan...and buyers can decide to change their mind in split seconds.

id911:
That aside, I've even received an offer that I countered on Dan, buyer came back with a much lower offer, when I contacting him privately, he told me he now know where I'm from. How did he get to know?

True..big question. How did he get to know?

Ur Dan phone+Business Name+Billing Address: Do they identify you as Nigerian?

On the flip side; I've had success with:

"""Geos outbound: Dan-"Make-offer & Countered offer"....all resulted in a sale.


But all Geos Dan outbounds "Make offer & Accepted offer" most times, has resulted in no sales.

Like if buyer makes 200 offer I then countered with 210 or 220..all have resulted in a sale.

But, if buyer makes 200 offer and I accepted straight,,,over a year..it's been like a 70% chance that the sale fails. And then, my phone+billing address; identified me as Nigerian.

I'm also waiting for Nkeona reply to comeup to a conclusion.

id911:
The most important thing, however is, if you have a good domain with excellent metrics, buyer wouldn't care whether you're from Somalia, Afghanistan or North Korea, they'll purchase the domain.

Thx for ur input . From ur Epik experiment, has there been any significant improvement in sales-through-rate via Geo-outbounds as compared to Dan?

id911:
id911:

***Pls fellow domainers. One simple question.

I can't be wasting my small outbound effort to this marketplace,DAN; this 2022.

Does DAN show country ip and flag on BUYERS chat window just as in SELLERS chat window?***

They do, lost a couple of sales this way after outbounding, offer is made and I replied, some of them ran away after seeing the Nigerian flag. That's why most times, I prefer using Epik for outbounding since they don't give buyer the luxury of knowing one's country of origin, instead, they furnish seller with every detail of the buyer.

The most important thing, however is, if you have a good domain with excellent metrics, buyer wouldn't care whether you're from Somalia, Afghanistan or North Korea, they'll purchase the domain.

nkeona:
nkeona

The buyer will not see your location. I know this because I have made offer and purchased a domain using dan platform.

***************************""""""""''''
id911 & nkeona statement is contradicting. I Lost too many "Make Offer---& Accept" sales in 2021 to DAN...

im doing a lil Dan experiment...tweakings...we'all know all those folks r racists+d stereotypes. Can't allow my efforts to fall by chance..d country is hard already.

received this offer yesterday...& accepted. if buyer eventually pays--- I'd post d name; if not, I'd focus my outbounds effort via Epik.

thx everyone one

Pls fellow domainers. One simple question.

I can't be wasting my small outbound effort to this marketplace,DAN; this 2022.

Does DAN show country ip and flag on BUYERS chat window just as in SELLERS chat window?

Dec 25th 2021 3rd sale. More sales to everyone.

edogu:
Facebook you keep getting messages like "no thanks", " right now we are not interested" etc. I sincerely believe that one day that no will become a huge yes!!

Patience, Go through the thread, aisabdomain, outbounddomains or Sub IKpromotions, pray if u blv in God for guidance.

riqmarol:
Congratulations boss!

Pls how does one automate the follow-ups? And can it be done on phone?

Streak

Nigeriaismine:
Congratulations Boss

Thanks for your post, please how did you change your address on Dan to reflect the way it is on the invoice?

Or abi you don japa?

Settings.

Alhamdullahi.

Sold a total of 56 domains since my inception into this thread.

I hold around 100+ geo domains. While other domains SH owned, emds, brandables, madeups etc around 300.

I have lost almost 40+ Sales this year on Geos..buyer agreed on Dan I refuse payment, or agree and remainded mute...it has become normal thing for me now...one agreed to pay 250 yesterday and edon remain mute.

Outbounding needs grit and patience. We put all hopes in Allah.

I have been making an average of 3 or 4 sales of Geos every month. Quite above the minimum wage...I went fully into outbounding this 2021...it can be boring sometimes and frustrating. Sometimes I give myself 1 week break.. or free days to relax ....flex. if I'm not outbounding I'm in d football field...or doing other stuffs.. basically I make d rules.

There is isn't any month I didn't make a Geo sales. My results hasn't been exceptional but at least a bit consistent.

I don't know what advice to give. Cause, the more time I spend...I realize I don't know anything or what method works.

Just do your thing, try not to spam, try to be professional and pray.

All my outbounds are manually done.

I may drop all my sales very soonest......perhaps it may add up. But there isn't anything inside of it that hasn't been on this gem thread.... just repetitions and arbitrations.

Sales for this month below.

There's something in the second pic for the Geo-Dan sales; something u can pick up....I made a screenshot of the invoice. Remember I told u I lost more than 40+ sales so far this year for Geos..we attribute every situation to God's will whether good or bad. Alhamdullahi.


All this while I've been doing email follow-ups manually. I've decided to automate during these ember months to see if there would be changes.....thanks to my brother ikhalyfah..

It's really quite a tough time for we newbies to get in the domain space for geos...because expireddomains these days is full with junks...the USA economy has been fcked up by Biden--small businesses in the ruins, covid 19, more competition s, avalanche of similar names etc.

If u make a sale in Geo..just thank God.

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More sales 2 everyone.

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Xsolutions:
Congrats sir. Your advice is heeded. Did you try listing this name on BB or SH before afternic? What was ur landing page (and price?)

It was on Dan lander after reg and Sedo listed and Afternic listed.

Submitted to SH and the oversabi SH rejected it. Submitted to Alter and was rejected. I didn't border with BB since their reviews can take forever.

After 2 months+ I delisted it from Afternic and Sedo and relisted again on both platforms inroder to activate the Afternic Fast Transfer and Sedo MLS and I forgot to put it on Dan lander. So basically it sold without a lander but was pointing to Alters DNS since I forgot to edit the DNS back to Dan.

Put simply, my method is to use Dan lander and list on any other market place( for Brandables and other types).

While for Geos ( Dan or Epik) and Epik Lander has been outperforming DAN lander.

For more infos, simply check the DNS history.

QueenRebecca:
It's quite long we have seen this guy here.....I means Learner47

richkal:
Learner47 and Elonmosque it's quite long I have seen you guys here. Abi you don relocate go Yankee ni......

I never die! Still dey naija...learning! Eid Greetings 2 all d Muslims. Special greetings to everyone and the bosses. And to those that still remembered me. And to Ikhalyfah especially and IK 4 creating the thread...


My sales hasn't been exceptionally, but it has been consistent. With average of 3 sales per month. So far this year there hasn't been any month without sale. Portfolio size around 140 for Geos.

I'll just drop this:

If you aren't making sale for Geos don't blame ursef, you only should blame yourself and ur technique when u have upto 500 names and no sale. At least u need upto 500 names for a consistent monthly sale of say 5 to 10 names or above+ lots of outbounding and following up+ skills, God grace! it gets boring along the line!

Also for Brandables u need upto 1000+ names on various market place to get between 1 to 5 sale every month consistently with skill, eye for names, God grace etc.

Domaining is a number game especially with name like ours that cant be classified as premium. Even the premium names sef...u still need the numbers.

So don't let frustration or desperation of no sale let u to start doing unethically things! Like has been reported in the group. If no sale..just take a break! Review ur strategy and buy more names...buy more names...buy more names.

Lately I have had more than 30+ geo names that buyer agreed and later didn't pay. Problem of angry buyers! Buyers complaining that some other person has contacted them with similar names, some saying spamming and all that.

I think Biden policy has affected the US economy especially for small businesses so just price ur geo names decently btwn 100-400 for a quick sale.

Also, I'd say let's not spoil this business for us all. I'm referring to the geo guys...outbounding!

Before u reg a name, try to check whether another domainer has a close version of it. There are several ways to know. Like trying all combinations, plural versions, checking DNS history to see if it were a recently dropped name by another domainer. So doing disallows issues of bombarding end users to buy a name or conflictions during outbound! Whenever I discover a close variant of a name is already on Dan lander, or Epik I already know my fellow domainer is outbounding it...I quietly avoid regging a similar version and move to next name...there are thousands of names yet to be outbounded...the issues of confliction shouldn't arise...if there is proper ethics and understanding.

I could remember when Elonmosque sold a Geo name in the landscaping niche, I had a similar variant...same city and end users which I even registered before elon's own...because of elon's sale...I delayed outbounding that name until several months...some times we need to use our sense. Some end users are already reporting to the Feds that several ppl are spamming them with unsolicited messages.

This made me to go and read on cold emails and the right way to send them by law.

1. I try to make the email personalized and friendly like I'm reaching out to only that end user..I try to get the name.

2. In the closing part, I try to put if you're not interested, abeg let me know, so I don't contact you again.

Some ppl usually put something like at the end: 'if you aren't interested, let me know, so I can reach out to other services'

This line can make the end user angry, it can also trigger a sale, and it can also make an end user report u to the Feds..becos some end users see the value in the name, but don't want to buy or don't have money...so if u put that line...some may report that u are sending unsolicited messages to several businesses.

So now for me, I usually avoid that line. Any end user that will buy will buy.

3. If end user reply with "not interested" I ensure I never reach out again to same person.

Doing all these will at least make the outbounding space a little better.

U can also observe that many ppl don't want to post their sales! Becos some domainers do some unethical stuff, by registering similar name and outbound to the same end users again. Instead of using the niche and finding a new city to outbound to new end users!

It's not ppl don't want to post their sales! But some ppl spoil the whole thing for others.

If I should post all of my sales from the start of my journey to now, u would observe there isn't any Pattern of names, or cities or particular end users...all my sales vary in a lot of ways..I have tested various niches, various cities. There is no confliction--- practically undetectable!

That's my small take on the whole stuff! Wish everyone all the best and happy domaining.

Eid Greetings 2 all the Muslim brothers of this thread. Ikhalyfah, Budosky, etc! And my greetings to IK for creating this pocket elevating, insightful and unifying thread. May ur pocket not dry!

And special greetings to all my fellow Learners and Pros in the thread!

And gratitude to God, as we dey continue dey pray make more soap dey cut for this domain something!

Where Elonmosque !

@Brymo4all don turn big pro...no forget cut soap for your boy.

@slimjosh43 @djpoepe I dey see una handiwork for Twitter.

Harllaby:
[color=#000055]Congrat Learner47, I have one texas//city//solar// (less than a month) in king the only reply was on facebook and the guy told me to p!s$ off [/color]

Na d Texas for front spoil show. If not na correct pick. But now, wey NEPA done take light for Texas...if b say ppl go wan consider solar, thus solar guys go wan increase leads...so u ft try ur luck send follow up or reoutbound. Wish u success.

Learner47:
Negotiation example:

More sales to everyone.

Negotiation example:

This one them done take light for Texas for over 3 days....so...u ft wan consider...city+solar. If he cast no come blame me oo! or come go on reg spree. Mesef, no get single solar name again.

This domain something na like Ocean...too many fish to consume and too many strategies to adopt. The ocean no go dry, except if internet shutdown. One thing is constant to learn how to do the fishing..weda na thru net, hook or any method..

For the learners...like me...no need to rush...fish no go finish. Let's just learn thru the thread...adopt new strategies and research.

I being blur out d name before make person no come cast me for the buyeer. But no need sef:

Name na: Saint Louis Solar/com reg: Epik sale: epik hold: a month or so.

Sometimes one need to appear tough and non-chalant in negotiations...not needy. All glory to Allah. Thus:

Firefox01:
Wait, if you use reply all, it will send replies to all the mails you sent for that particular domain at once?

It will ensure, your current email is the one the user would see first on the recipient screen.

Some times if u use reply, d email will go and bury somewhere...without the recipient seeing it. So anytime you want to follow-up....just use the "Reply all" option. You can also experiment this on two of your emails to draw into conclusion. It's all about testing stuffs.

johnoj24:
If you like don't go and invest that money by buying more good name but spend the money on that girl you are oyo.
Congrats

Let's not turn dix thread 2 chicks....laughing! Highest hav spent on a chick on a go is 5K. I follow d redpill. Very prudent in that aspect. Infact I'm more generous with d brosses...dn d chicks....becos brosses r d real MVPs & would always come for u wen at ur @ d lowest. Invest in a bross dn in a chick except she's family or wifey. Tnks though.

Ihinmi:
Congratulations.

Please when doing follow-up, is it advisable to reply the first email OR send fresh email as follows up.

Sapiosexuality
Learner47

U will see a place to " Reply All" option. That's what u will use.

U1:
Congrats, sire.

God is wonderful sha. I had to practically "beg" someone in a city of about the same size to take a city+realtor off my hand for 200.

The business is somewhat...so unpredictable. The ones u think would sell won't and ones u least expect, might.

In this ur case, if d city is a cool one...and there are handful of realtors...just renew d domain ...increase d price and reoutbound. All those realtors and property managers have well to do purse. There sweet spot is usually around high 3 figures and 1K+.

Firefox01:
Your screenshot already has the name you are protecting.

All the same. Funds withdrawn. Thanks.

HasbunAllahi Waniimal Wakil.

Jan was quiet--- it was all about outbounding..with little follow up..at the start of the month with Allah's help I got a $599 sale on one of the first outbound....after which I still had around 35 names to outbound---looking at all the names made me discouraged...lazy-and unenthusiastic..I had told myself I aint going no more on reg spree. Would want to focus on Brandables...but ground never level.....so as the month fired on.. girlfriend issues cameup..malaria.. psychology problems...etc.. literally lost the zeal to do outbound or read..but again I was being consistent...like in some days I outbound a little like 30 end users.. continue the next day..some days skip. So in summary January was a dull month in terms of energy level...but thanking God also.

So yesterday Friday.....just in the evening...was assessing myself internally and I knew I had relapsed. So I went back to look at some of my uncompleted outbounds....cause I do outbounds in phases, like send to 30 users today..then continue tomorrow to avoid Google locking the account...I wanted to continue them...but a thought came to me I should try something new instead from the fresh unbounded list of around 35 names I was spearing for Feb....

I picked one of the name that had city+realtor.......the girl that was giving me headache called after ignoring her 9 missed call...saying y wasn't I pickin..I didn't answer...after 5min of conversation...I told her to pray for me..I had something to do..ended the call. Called my sister and mum to pray for me too..I prayed also...and began outbound....

I outbound to 6 end users using the sales letter format I had dropped in the previous posts.

One of the end user replied is the fees forever.....cause I had set 1201 USD. I told her yes. Another end user replied that their union don't use Realtor...I replied her with some "Jargons" like that.....last last I lost the zeal to outbound...I just go crash...I say God..all these prayer I pray even though I know sale this name...I know you go make me sell another one...na so I take crash ooo...

Then this evening...I just saw an email the domain has been sold for 1201usd...when the money enters...I'll post the name.


So January...is looking like I'll end up with 1201+599=1800usd in sales for around 17usd investment.


Sorry for my long epistle and private life brouhaha.


Random advice: as a man in this business & anything u set out to achieve...if you can put women aside (semen retention)... totally for 1 or 2 years, pray to God (If you believe in spiritual), improve on your fitness--gym, mind ur business+ drink water and focus on that some thing completely u will achieve that thing....not just selling domains....but beyond that....But to achieve such level of discipline is hard!


May God bless everyone with more sales. Those yet to sales...just follow the thread bumper to bumper your time go come soon.

Professorcplus:
Wow @ learner47 thanks for your selfless contribution on this thread. You stimulated o

you can check my profile for my post. This is the best place in the world to learn Geo names and outbounding.... everything u need is in this thread...from page to d current page. You can also reg for Ik promotion class to get the gist as a newbie. Good luck.

ElonMosque:
Windscribe

tnks man

ElonMosque:
We just dey look dem

pls which VPN do u use with your reon.

Mr2kul:
Is it advisable to chat up an end user either via Facebook or LinkedIn?

yep, especially if it's a social media converted to business page with a number of followers

Learner47:
After all this tips and you have been outbounding no sales...and no sales...just hussle buy more names and try again...pray if you believe in God...be enthusiastic and believe...more outbounds and follow ups.

Some sales letter samples and followups-- both long and short.

Learner47:
If you gone to the about section...and no email again...this brings us to method 6.


To be continued.......

Method 6:

Use this format in Google search:

Still on austinroofers*com as example

Search in Google:


Owner austinroofers*com linkedin

Or

CEO austinroofers*com linkedin

Or

President austinroofers*com linkedin

Any of this would most likely brings you the LinkedIn page of the owner of the end user website you are finding...on the LinkedIn page you can use SalesQL or any linkedin chrome email extractor to get the email of the decision maker.

If method 6 doesn't work, this brings us to method 7

Method 7


Use this format in Google search : businessurl*com email

e.g.

Bostonroofing.*com email

Using this would most like bring up one of their main ails in the first page of results in Google.

So the above are some of the ways I tinker with Google to get emails.....

Other methods to get email leads includes using reon and skyemail extractor softwares via PC. You can use all of the steps shown above on mobile and PC.

So that's all I know for outbounding.




Time to outbound:

Usually 1:40pm in the afternoon to 4am in the morning.

You can also outbound anytime...even during the weekends by making email schedules to deliver at later time.


How many email to send per day

I send at least 35. And continue the next day to avoid Google locking.



How many email should I have for outbound:

At least 5 to 10 different emails...don't out all eggs in on me basket. This depends on the amount of domains you outbound.

For me... I'm trying to cut down outbounding after ma reg spreee..d thing is not easy...so I believe perhaps subsequent months...I should outbound around 5 to 10 domains or less God's willing my higher aim is on Brandables..but ground never level.



Type of email used

I use Google email...and Gmail software.



Tips to avoid Google locking:

Try to send email to relevant business that will need the domain. However if Google locks your email, don't be fast to try to restore....just leave it after several hours...then try opening...it...you will discover it will open without going for restoration..but by reauthenticating with your mobile phone.



Negotiation skills:

Do not accept the first offer when you received one. Normally if you accepted the first offer, the buyer may think that the offer is overprices and walk away with cold feet. Always make a counter offer with a message:

"I already received higher offer. Send me your best offer and I will consider"

So if your counter offer is too high to them. They still think they have a chance.

Dealing with end users is not the same as dealing with members here. It will take time: days or even weeks. So don't rush them and make them upset. Just wait.


If you receive an offer of 130 for a domain listed for 200..simply counter with around 140 or 145.. rather than accepting 130 straight..because the buyer may develop cold feet sometimes if you accept straight. Of it's a serious buyer...adding 10 would come at no cost.


Where to sale:

Epik or Dan



How to get names:

1. Hand Regs

2. Ed. (Expired domains)

Both methods have proven to be good. But so far I think HandReg have won.........on this thread...becos Ikhalyfah is the king of Handregs...he dedicates his time to brainstorm names by combining city+service or business. And you can see the sales spree.

ED too has proven to be a good strategy to pick names... Yogisolanki...have replicated same success like ikhalyfah using expireddomains.

So depends on the one that suits you. For me! I'm experimenting both.


How to use Ed:

Just goto expireddomains/net in the search bar tinker around with the filters by searching for expired names either by focusing on cities keyword, services/businesses.

That is you can goto ed and create a filter for just "roofer or roofers" so any time a name drops having that combination you can try to reg and sale or instead focusing on a city. E.g Austin

When do new names drop in Ed

Usually from 8pm upwards everyday.


How do I use handreg method:

usually you have to brainstorm cities+services/businesses you can combine which is available for reg. Whether you're going for ed or handreg method...just ensure there are end users.


How to use Ed to find Related Domains:

You can use Ed to lookup similar websites having the kind of domains you're outbounding...for example you can get all the .org .net and close .com match of a domain you're outbounding...this can be really useful...to use the tools...goto expireddomains/net..check the LINK menu...click on RELATED DOMAINS.. and type your domain name in the box "Austinroofers" and hit search....this will bringup all related domains...check image below



The End.......next I will follow this with sales letters and follow ups!

After all this tips and you have been outbounding no sales...and no sales...just hussle buy more names and try again...pray if you believe in God...be enthusiastic and believe...more outbounds and follow ups.

Learner47:
on the home page or look them up on Chrome store.

Once you have the extension up and running in kiwi, they'd look like the pic below. Also activate the Desktop Mode in kiwi. You will also need to sign in to the various extension via Google account or linkedin profile.

Using the chrome extensions: snov.io, SalesQL, Hunter....you only need to click on their icons once you enter into a leads website you want to get the emails.

Outbounding:


Asterisk=.

Let's say you want to outbound: AustinRoofers*com

1. Using Google/Bing

Once you search many results come up in pages. I usually outbound to the last page...some it ends at 15, some 20..25 etc. But for bing I stop at 20.

So when u search Austin roofers in Google/bing many result come up, including Ads..some times the sales come from those users advertising via Google..so try to check the ads to see, if it's related to the Austin location and roofing...you can do this by opening new tab while still maintaining your search page.

So once you enter the potential end user site. Check the main page(homepage)...check for emails from head to header to footer..

If you see something like info@austinroofer*com, or contact@austinroofer*com or sales@ or marketing@, or admin@,....don't just go and start sending email to that...chances it may not get to business owner-decision taker...

Now let's try to find the owner...CEO of the business by using in Google or Bing search.

1. Owner austinroofers*com

2. CEO austinroofers*com

3. President austinroofers*com

Now Google pops up the name...in the result...now you can use snov to go look for the guys email by going to the website...and then clicking on the snov icon. Doing this pops up several email of guys in the company...but u already know d CEO email..so just copy it from the result and send.

If you get a bounce...that is the email didn't deliver..then you can go use the @info, @sales etc. you see on the site.

2nd method

If you have tried the above without getting an email to send.....next check ABOUT page, Contact page or Gallery sometimes the email maybe there.

3rd method:

Use control U if you are on PC to lookup the console. Hit Control+F to make a search. In search bar: type: mailto and hit enter...the email should pop up.


If method 3 doesn't work we go to method 4:

In the home page of the end user website...look for their Facebook page or icon and click. This takes you to the Facebook page...check the ABOUT.. usually an email is there.

If the end user didnt put their Facebook page on their site no problem...hardly u see any business without Facebook page. This brings us to method 5

Method 5: search in Google: website URL*com Facebook.

That is if you searching for the FB page of austinroofers*com you goto Google and search:



austinroofers*com Facebook.


The result that pops up in Google will include their page...now simply hop to the page and go straight to the about section to get their email.

If you gone to the about section...and no email again...this brings us to method 6.


To be continued.......

Learner47:
Setting up your mobile phone: download kiwi browser...........to be continued.

Kiwi browser will let u use All chrome extension on pc for mobile.

So you'd have to install: snov.io, SalesQL, Hunter extension on kiwi. This will let u get email leads.

Installing them is kid stuff. Just look them up Google while in kiwi...a tab for the extension on the home page or look them up on Chrome store.