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@redhotchik

RedHotChic:
1) I don't have a koran

2) I've not read it before so how will I be able to find any object of controversy without reading one?

Quran is available next to your neck, just check the internet. I wish you go through the ff link:
http://muttaqun.com/quran/
You can read online, select the english translation you want. You can as well download a copy of english translation if you wish. If you are sincere with your findings, I believe you will be guided.

@david

First you said the quran is not an historical document . . . how then can you analyse issues based on historical claims?

Compare your statement with this:

First, I want you to bear in mind that Quran is not an historical book where you can get the details of these prophets lifestyles, otherwise a religious book to guide mankind. It relay the basic message of these prophets to their people: worshiping not except God, warning those that doesn't believe and give glad tidings to those who believe.

Can you see the clear difference between the two, so please don't quote me wrongly.

What historicall claims? Where is your historical proof that shoaib is Jethro?

Check the following references, I believe you can get access to the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoaib

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jethro_%28Bible%29

There are some materials I can't provide now, because they may not available onnet. In sha Allah, If you wish, i will get them to you.

My brother, I ask you a question:

Jethro - sacrificed his daughter to God to pay a vow, is he truly a muslim prophet?

Kindly shows me in the bible.

@david

Who is Jethro? Please ask littleb, he smuggled his name into his bogus list of "prophets" earlier on. I myself was surprised.

In conclusion, if one claim Jethro is Jethro and not Shoaib. Head or tail, I am not losing anything as a muslim. Allah says he sent Shoaib in the Quran. I am only an Islamic research student who wish to analyse issues base on historical claims using my little wisdom for people with ability to think clearly.

Assalam Ala ma tabah LAHA lhuda( Peace be unto who follow Allah, the unique)

My brothers and sisters, I am very sorry of not been able to respond to david question. Sincere apology to him. Infact, I was off the internet due to Nigeria factor. May Almighty one forgive all of us.

My friend david, I believe we all aspiring for paradise and In Sha Allah (If God wills) we shall get there. You will quite agree with me that when Bible and Quran was written none of us was there. We just woke to see that they are existing and we believe in them.

Now back to your Question:

Jethro
John the Baptist
Elisha
Elijah

Please help me out here with the messages they were specifically sent, their detailed lifestyles (not just a few places where their names are forced into the quran).

Sincerely, I will try to be very concise in response to your request and try as much as my wisdom permit on the issue. My friends have responded to some of the datails on John the babtist, Elisha and Elijah. Just lets start with Jethro.

Shoaib(JETHRO)

First, I want you to bear in mind that Quran is not an historical book where you can get the details of these prophets lifestyles, otherwise a religious book to guide mankind. It relay the basic message of these prophets to their people: worshiping not except God, warning those that doesn't believe and give glad tidings to those who believe.

No muslim will ever accept that there is any prophet bearing jethro in the Quran. However, if you mention Shoaib, it is clearly known. Many historical books have been searched and revised which clearly shows that Shoaib was been called Jethro by the Jews. Though, some muslims scholars differ in this regards base on some historical evidence plus bible confusioning names view.

Historical View:

MIDIAN (MADYAN in arabic)(meaning place of Judgement meaning derived from Arabic)

A nation known as Midian lived in the north of Arabian Peninsula in the region now known as Syria. In another version, Midian is now located in what is now a small area of western Saudi Arabia, southern Jordan, southern Israel and the Sinai.
The period was after prophet Abraham(Ibrahim). These tribesmen were the progeny of the third generation, the direct descendant of prophet Abraham(Ibrahim). The Area had been blessed with fertile lands that produced rich agric. The abundance and varieties of food generated from the land enriched the nation. They were mostly traders and people from neighourhood desert nations came to trade with them. However, these people were arrogant and deceitful. They were always cheating their customers by giving them lesser quantities or by using doctored scales to their favour.They considerred fornication and acts of immorality their birthright. There was no discipline for children and no respect for parents.

Historical research made us to know Shoaib known as Jethro( Jewish name) was the prohpet sent to people of Midian. Also, history also made us to know that he was the father in law to Mosses, which precisely the bibilical historical view. 
"Jethro" means "his excellence". He was called another names even this was reveal in the bible. Raguel( meaning God friend) and Hobab( from the root ab-means father). It was translated to great father or father Judge). All these names were claimed to be the usual Ancient Near Eastern practice of multiple names for persons and cities according to context.
History made us to knows jethro live excellent life.


SHOAIB (Jethro) in Quran:

(Message of Shoaib to the people of Midyan)

Quran:07 vs 85-93
[7:85]   To Midyan we sent their brother Shu`aib. He said, "O my people, worship GOD; you have no other god beside Him.  Proof has come to you from your Lord. You shall give full weight and full measure when you trade. Do not cheat the people out of their rights. Do not corrupt the earth after it has been set straight. This is better for you, if you are believers.

[7:86]   "Refrain from blocking every path, seeking to repel those who believe from the path of GOD, and do not make it crooked. Remember that you used to be few and He multiplied your number. Recall the consequences for the wicked.

[7:87]   "Now that some of you have believed in what I was sent with, and some have disbelieved, wait until GOD issues His judgment between us; He is the best judge."

[7:88]   The arrogant leaders among his people said, "We will evict you, O Shu`aib, together with those who believed with you, from our town, unless you revert to our religion." He said, "Are you going to force us?

[7:89]   "We would be blaspheming against GOD if we reverted to your religion after GOD has saved us from it. How could we revert back to it against the will of GOD our Lord? Our Lord's knowledge encompasses all things. We have put our trust in GOD. Our Lord, grant us a decisive victory over our people. You are the best supporter."

[7:90]   The disbelieving leaders among his people said, "If you follow Shu`aib, you will be losers."

[7:91]   The quake annihilated them, leaving them dead in their homes.

[7:92]   Those who rejected Shu`aib vanished, as if they never existed. Those who rejected Shu`aib were the losers.

[7:93]   He turned away from them, saying, "O my people, I have delivered to you the messages of my Lord, and I have advised you. How can I grieve over disbelieving people."


Now my brother David you said:

Jethro - sacrificed his daughter to God to pay a vow, is he truly a muslim prophet?

Kindly shows me where in the bible.

And I said earlier:

in the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, the lives of the prophets were gravely distorted. Lies were told about them to such an extent that they were no longer examples of righteousness but examples of corruption!

Bilal Philip

If you are clear with Shoaib, can we move further or close it. I think Esss also need some clarification in Islam.

Jazaks LAHA bil khairi

Very inspiring, may Allah help the remaining ones who want to see the light of Islam

@david

Jethro - sacrificed his daughter to God to pay a vow, is he truly a muslim prophet?
Elijah - went to heaven in a chariot of fire and heard a still small voice, is he also a muslim prophet?
Elisha - His bones resurrected the dead, is he a muslim prophet?
John the baptist - prophesied the coming of Christ and baptised people with water, is water baptism an islamic rite?
My dear, it goes beyond merely copying names from the bible and claiming them to be prophets, were are the stories of these "prophets" IN YOUR QURAN?

Do you think I would be referencing bible for thier stories?  A former christian has responded thus:

"The stories of the Prophets have universal appeal, as they were chosen by God, as examples for humankind. However, in the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, the lives of the prophets were gravely distorted. Lies were told about them to such an extent that they were no longer examples of righteousness but examples of corruption!

For example, Prophet Lot is portrayed as having become drunk with his daughters and committing incest with them! Prophet David is portrayed as lusting after a man’s wife, committing adultery with her and sending her husband off to the front lines of the battle to be killed! As for Prophet Solomon, he is portrayed as worshipping idols in his old age!!!

Of course stories about Jesus, being God or the son of God, were woven into accounts called “gospels” and attributed to Jesus’ disciples. Consequently, the Qur’an cleared up these lies and elevated the prophets back to their proper status.

Thus, the Qur’an relayed the basic message of all prophets, in the most simple and clear terms: Worship God alone and do not worship false gods. It should also be noted that the Qur’an only mentions the key points of the lives of the prophets, wherein there are moral lessons to be learned. So their stories in the holy Qur’an focus on the spiritual message and do not get bogged down with unnecessary details." Bilal Philip

@redhotchic:

Your questions are very much appreciated and I believe you want to know the true faith. I believe Almighty God will guide you if you are truly sincere.

Islam as a religion(way of life) has being in natural existence since day one when Adam was created. Islam means subsmission to the command of Allah (God): obey and you obey. It was the religion practiced by all prophets started from Adam, Nuhu, to Jesus and Muhammad. It was only completed and perfected during the life of prophet muhammad. This is describe in Quran 5:3 “This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”.

When we are talking about obligation in Islam, whether cleaning a private part or the likes. At times its sound dogmatic from a lay man reasoning. However, obeying your God is beyond questioning why should I do it. This can be likeining to what happened between Adam & Eve and God. God put them in a garden and told them not to near a particular tree. Can someone tell us what God has to do with tree. God doesn't eat neither has a son nor family that would benefit from yielding fruits of the tree. And moreso, he is capable not allowing anything happen to them if they near it. He just want obedience, and that is Islam Allah want us to practice. In nutshell, total submission to Almighty Allah(SWA) is term ISLAM practice by All prophets.

They include: Adam, Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Salih (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), Yusuf (Joseph), Shu'aib (Jethro), Ayyub (Job), Dhulkifl (Ezekiel), Musa (Moses), Harun (Aaron), Dawud (David), Sulayman (Solomon), Ilias (Elias), Alyasa (Elisha), Yunus (Jonah), Zakariya (Zachariah), Yahya (John the Baptist), Isa (Jesus) and Muhammad. Peace be upon them all.

That is why we pray thus:

Arabic
Asbahnaa (Amsaynaa) ‘alaa fitratil-Islaam, wa kalimatil-ikhlaas, wa deni nabiyyina
Muhammadin sallalaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam, wa ala millati abeena Ibraaheema haneefan wa maa
kaana minal-mushrikeen.

English
We have risen this morning (evening) on the innate nature of Islam, on the world of sincerity, and
on the deen (way of life) of our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and on the deen of our
forefather Ibrahim who was a Muslim of true faith and was not an idolater.


Islam believe in the messagership of prophet muhammad and those before him, all of them carries the same information allong:

And it was revealed to Muhammad(SAW): “We have sent you inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: We sent inspiration to Abraham, Ismail, Issac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.” (Quran 4:163)
Of some messangers we've told you thier stries and some not, ( Qr 4:164)


Now, can we say Jesus was a christian when christianity started after he left. Then, what of Abraham. All do not have any deen or religion or way of life except Islam. Therfore, my sister, this is the clear path which our creator want us to follow. Get to know it better and follow it.

@ pastor AIO

Thanks for raising an issue like this. Infact, in one of my recent discussion with a student who is learning Islam, Al-fitra was the question he raised. In reality, it was duly explained as my sheikh Olabowale did. Literarily, Fitra-natural inclination. Animals have thier own differ from that of human being. As well muslims have thier own differ from non muslims. Muslim fitra: inclination to obey Allah (SWA). Thanks all

yes, It is corrupt, and it will continue. Which corruption great pass electoral fraud? Unless the govt change for better.

yes, It is corrupt, and it will continue. Which corruption great pass electoral fraud?

yes, It is corrupt, and it will continue. Which corruption great pass electoral fraud?

Haa!
samuel story and my response to him were removed. It should have been there for the whole world to see it.

Alhamdulilah, thanks my sister,

I have many favourites, but whenever I recites Quran, I always take a pause at Surah Najm, especially towards the end, and I always repeatedly reciting it until I begin to shed tears. Infact, It really shows how great is Allah SWT. It read thus, from v:43:

43:
And that it is He (Allâh) Who makes (whom He wills) laugh, and makes (whom He wills) weep;
44
And that it is He (Allâh) Who causes death and gives life;
45.
And that He (Allâh) creates the pairs, male and female,
46.
From Nutfah (drops of semen male and female discharges) when it is emitted;
47.
And that upon Him (Allâh) is another bringing forth (Resurrection);
48.
And that it is He (Allâh) Who gives much or a little (or gives wealth and contentment),
49.
And that He (Allâh) is the Lord of Sirius (the star which the pagan Arabs used to worship);
50.
And that it is He (Allâh) Who destroyed the former 'Ad (people),
51.
And Thamûd (people). He spared none of them.
52.
And the people of Nûh (Noah) aforetime, verily, they were more unjust and more rebellious and transgressing [in disobeying Allâh and His Messenger Nûh (Noah) >>].
53.
And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which Prophet Lout (Lot) was sent].
54.
So there covered them that which did cover (i.e. torment with stones).
55.
Then which of the Graces of your Lord (O man!) will you doubt.
56.
This (Muhammad SAW) is a warner (Messenger) of the (series of) warners (Messengers) of old[] .
57.
The Day of Resurrection draws near,
58.
None besides Allâh can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it).
59.
Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'ân)?
60.
And you laugh at it and weep not,
61.
Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.).
62.
So fall you down in prostration to Allâh, and worship Him (Alone).

Maa Salam

@asamuel

I was thrown into Qu'ranic school. I knew the entire Qu'ran off-hand but I was not saved from sin.
I was keeping girl friends along with my other muslim friends. In fact, our girl friends were muslims too.

It's a lie, you never learnt Quran off-hand. The application of Quran is what we are doing. Quran never thought you be violent and never to be unkind to people. You engaged yourself in immorality because you keep bad friends. Likewise, there are bad christians as well. I was thought Quran the same way and I wasn't engage in all those illicit act. I still believe the best way to learn Islam it through the only source: AL-Qur'an Kareem: niether what people do nor what they said. I believe you never read this in your Quran:

But as for those who break God's contract after it has been agreed and sever what God has commanded to be joined, and cause corruption in the earth, the curse will be upon them. They will have the Evil Abode. (Qr 13: 25)

Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been good to you. And do not seek to cause mischief on earth. God does not love mischief makers.' (Qr 28: 77) and Qr:17:32, 4:24,24:2(forbid adultry and fornication)

I was the class prefect and many times I had mobilized many other students to disrupt her class until I made sure that CRK was not taught in my class.

One day, the Christians were having a crusade in my school. We agreed that we would go there and disrupt the crusade (you know this is not right but this is what every muslim would do if they have the chance to do so). I went with my friends to the crusade and while we stood at the back with intentions to forment troubles, I couldn't turn my ears away from the preaching of the day. I was surprised that someone could preach from the Bible I so opposed without ever mentioning the evils of my own religion. When the preacher started mentioning sins and the consequences I knew that if I would not deceive myself, I was guilty. I shouted in the congregation that the preacher is a liar and that none could say he is not committing sin. I attracted the attention of everyone and my other friends started chanting allah' akbar!.

You are wrong! A disobedient to Almighty God. Did you read this:
'Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands put clear from error.' (Qr 2: 256).

I was also thought CRK in school and muslims were many in the class, we didn't obstruct any teacher, rather we learnt the best out of it. I was even among the best performer in the class, they even thought I have changed my faith. Now let take you to history of the verse above:

This verse was revealed on the occasion when some Companions among the Helpers (ansar) asked the Prophet for permission to compel their relatives to profess Islam. However, some of these people had practiced Christianity or Judaism since their early childhood, and the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina even had children who were related to the Companions, but who were brought up by Jewish parents and were considered Jews. When the Prophet issued orders for the Banu Nadir to move out of Medina, so as to prevent clashes between them and the Muslims, some Companions sought instead to force their relatives into Islam. It was at this juncture that the preceding verse was revealed, and the Prophet ordered his Companions not to compel anyone, but to give them the choice to decide what religion they wished to follow.

My mistress came to me and pleaded with me to see her after the event. At this point I was touched. I knew that if a Christian had come to do this in the mosque he would not go home with his head. Within me that night I had no peace. I prayed that God should forgive me and I started asking God questions. Why are we violent as muslims? Why can't we peacefully accommodate other religions as they accommodate us? Why can't all my Qu'ran stop me from sin like the preacher said.

The Bible was bought for me and I started reading it with a differrent mind.

What a shame! No solid foundation! So, you can easily be brainwashed! no personal effort to know your God. Just take a look, if two people are fighting on the cause that one is saying you steal my money and the other is claiming not. When they get to court, what will judge do? Of course you don't know, cos you've not applied it to know your God. Witnesses of course. Where are the witnessses we have, it is Bible and Quran. You never learnt Quran properly at first instance, now you are reading bible with a different mind. You read Quran with what?

Now you kept on saying you read the Bible and you found some contradictory verses. Because you could not quote those verses, I take those to be untrue.

Yes, I said it. Not only contradicting, but enormorsely corrupted, altered,edited and revised in so many versions. Now, take down the following assignment:

1. john 1:18 Vs Gen 32:30, Exd 33:11, 2 king:11

2. Isa 40:28 Vs Jer 15:6

3. psalm 121:4 Vs psalm 73:20

Corrupted words:
Heb 12:29 ( God is Fire)
Psalm 2:7 (A son God begotten today)
Gen. 6:1-4 (Son of God were sleeping with daughters of men) e.t.c.

I can tell you, I read bible very well and I have come to conclusion bible is a combination of many books compose of:

1. Words of God (e.g Isa 43:11)
2. Words of prophets of God (e.g mark 12:29)
3. Words of Historian (e.g mark 11:from 1)

Muslims would deny you once they see that you are no longer with them.

It is not, at least I have my brother who converted to christianinty on the verge that he claims God spoke to him but he tells lies a lot. However, I accommodates him. I also have christian neighbour, we eat, drink and play together and that doesn't disturb either faith. How come you reach such conclusion?

55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Can you see there that all those who beileve in Jesus would be set above those of you who blaspheme HIM?

Yes you are right, Allah says we should believe in Jesus which bible also testifies to it. All the other prophets who came before and after Jesus are the same. But, you misconcept it. Jesus is not God as you claim. Only God is lord and personal saviour which jesus testifies. We muslims believe in Jesus, Alihamudulilah.

Salaam! May GOD SAVE YOUR LIVES!!!

سلام على من تبع الله حدا
(Peace be onto who follow ALLAH, the unique)

@asamuel

I was thrown into Qu'ranic school. I knew the entire Qu'ran off-hand but I was not saved from sin.
I was keeping girl friends along with my other muslim friends. In fact, our girl friends were muslims too.

It's a lie, you never learnt Quran off-hand. The application of Quran is what we are doing. Quran never thought you be violent and never to be unkind to people. You engaged yourself in immorality because you keep bad friends. Likewise, there are bad christians as well. I was thought Quran the same way and I wasn't engage in all those illicit act. I still believe the best way to learn Islam it through the only source: AL-Qur'an Kareem: niether what people do nor what they said. I believe you never read this in your Quran:

But as for those who break God's contract after it has been agreed and sever what God has commanded to be joined, and cause corruption in the earth, the curse will be upon them. They will have the Evil Abode. (Qr 13: 25)

Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been good to you. And do not seek to cause mischief on earth. God does not love mischief makers.' (Qr 28: 77) and Qr:17:32, 4:24,24:2(forbid adultry and fornication)

I was the class prefect and many times I had mobilized many other students to disrupt her class until I made sure that CRK was not taught in my class.

One day, the Christians were having a crusade in my school. We agreed that we would go there and disrupt the crusade (you know this is not right but this is what every muslim would do if they have the chance to do so). I went with my friends to the crusade and while we stood at the back with intentions to forment troubles, I couldn't turn my ears away from the preaching of the day. I was surprised that someone could preach from the Bible I so opposed without ever mentioning the evils of my own religion. When the preacher started mentioning sins and the consequences I knew that if I would not deceive myself, I was guilty. I shouted in the congregation that the preacher is a liar and that none could say he is not committing sin. I attracted the attention of everyone and my other friends started chanting allah' akbar!.

You are wrong! A disobedient to Almighty God. Did you read this:
'Let there be no compulsion in religion: truth stands put clear from error.' (Qr 2: 256).

I was also thought CRK in school and muslims were many in the class, we didn't obstruct any teacher, rather we learnt the best out of it. I was even among the best performer in the class, they even thought I have changed my faith. Now let take you to history of the verse above:

This verse was revealed on the occasion when some Companions among the Helpers (ansar) asked the Prophet for permission to compel their relatives to profess Islam. However, some of these people had practiced Christianity or Judaism since their early childhood, and the Banu Nadir, a Jewish tribe of Medina even had children who were related to the Companions, but who were brought up by Jewish parents and were considered Jews. When the Prophet issued orders for the Banu Nadir to move out of Medina, so as to prevent clashes between them and the Muslims, some Companions sought instead to force their relatives into Islam. It was at this juncture that the preceding verse was revealed, and the Prophet ordered his Companions not to compel anyone, but to give them the choice to decide what religion they wished to follow.

My mistress came to me and pleaded with me to see her after the event. At this point I was touched. I knew that if a Christian had come to do this in the mosque he would not go home with his head. Within me that night I had no peace. I prayed that God should forgive me and I started asking God questions. Why are we violent as muslims? Why can't we peacefully accommodate other religions as they accommodate us? Why can't all my Qu'ran stop me from sin like the preacher said.

The Bible was bought for me and I started reading it with a differrent mind.

What a shame! No solid foundation! So, you can easily be brainwashed! no personal effort to know your God. Just take a look, if two people are fighting on the cause that one is saying you steal my money and the other is claiming not. When they get to court, what will judge do? Of course you don't know, cos you've not applied it to know your God. Witnesses of course. Where are the witnessses we have, it is Bible and Quran. You never learnt Quran properly at first instance, now you are reading bible with a different mind. You read Quran with what?

Now you kept on saying you read the Bible and you found some contradictory verses. Because you could not quote those verses, I take those to be untrue.

Yes, I said it. Not only contradicting, but enormorsely corrupted, altered,edited and revised in so many versions. Now, take down the following assignment:

1. john 1:18 Vs Gen 32:30, Exd 33:11, 2 king:11

2. Isa 40:28 Vs Jer 15:6

3. psalm 121:4 Vs psalm 73:20

Corrupted words:
Heb 12:29 ( God is Fire)
Psalm 2:7 (A son God begotten today)
Gen. 6:1-4 (Son of God were sleeping with daughters of men) e.t.c.

I can tell you, I read bible very well and I have come to conclusion bible is a combination of many books compose of:

1. Words of God (e.g Isa 43:11)
2. Words of prophets of God (e.g mark 12:29)
3. Words of Historian (e.g mark 11:from 1)

Muslims would deny you once they see that you are no longer with them.

It is not, at least I have my brother who converted to christianinty on the verge that he claims God spoke to him but he tells lies a lot. However, I accommodates him. I also have christian neighbour, we eat, drink and play together and that doesn't disturb either faith. How come you reach such conclusion?

55. Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
Can you see there that all those who beileve in Jesus would be set above those of you who blaspheme HIM?

Yes you are right, Allah says we should believe in Jesus which bible also testifies to it. All the other prophets who came before and after Jesus are the same. But, you misconcept it. Jesus is not God as you claim. Only God is lord and personal saviour which jesus testifies. We muslims believe in Jesus, Alihamudulilah.

Salaam! May GOD SAVE YOUR LIVES!!!

سلام على من تبع الله حدا
(Peace be onto who follow ALLAH, the unique)

@olabowale
thanks brother

@asamuel
Now see, your story is confirming what people are saying about you. I am coming back with full response, just a bit busy.

@asamuel
Now see, your story is confirming what people are saying about you. I am coming back with full response, just a bit busy.

@asamuel
Now see, your story is confirming what people are saying about you. I am coming back with full response, just a bit busy.

@asamuel
Now see, your story is confirming what people are saying about you. I am coming back with full response, just a bit busy.

Salam

thnks

does anyone knows if the exam date has been shifted for Master in system engineering

May Alah increases our faith and make us die and be raised as a muslim. Finally, reward us with paradise.

We must distinguish: for example, what is the message in the words of the song? What is the moral
context and environment where the songs are being played? What is the time it is happening? Who
is delivering the song? How is it delivered? And importantly, what is the intention? Some scholars
say that as long as it conforms to moral norms and doesn’t divert a person from his or her duties in
worshipping Allah Most High, then it has its place in the culture of Islam.

Jazakum Laha Khairan

asamuel:
it's not worth reading or sending

Because it doesn't concern you, however Allah forgives you because you don't know.

@samuel

I no longer fight other people just because they are not in my religion. I was following girls like wrapper before I knew Christ and as a muslim, we did not see anything wrong in it.

Does islam thought you all those ones?

I can' t actually say what would happen. But the trend is bad

@samuel

I was a Muslim before I became a Christian. Don't even go to Havard

I already said in one thread that you were never a practicing muslim. You did not even near it. Sincerely, just explain what did you knew before your conversion.

I would be glad to tell you why it doesn't pay to be a muslim.

Very well, you are welcome! Goes on with cogent prove.

Religion does not deliver from sin, only faith in the atoning work of Christ does

Are you saying nothing like christianity or Islam. Explain clearly. No muslim will tell you he/she doesn't believe in jesus as a messanger of God and believe in his message. Which message has jesus came to deliver to you?

'JIHAD' is an arabic word means struggling or striving. This applies to any effort one make towards achieving an aim.
What we are presently doing is a form of Jihad. making it clearer what someone know not. And there are some many jihad one can pertake in. Be it in education, politics, social etc.

In the West, "jihad" is generally translated as "holy war", a usage the media has popularized. If we translate the words "holy war" back into Arabic we find "harbun muqaddasatun", or for "the holy war", "al-harbu al-muqaddasatu". We challenge any researcher or scholar to find the meaning of "jihad" as holy war in the Qur'an or authentic Hadith collections or in early Islamic literature. Unfortunately, some Muslim writers and translators of the Qur'an, the Hadith and other Islamic literature translate the term "jihad" as "holy war", due to the influence of centuries-old Western propaganda. This could be a reflection of the Christian use of the term "Holy War" to refer to the Crusades of a thousand years ago. However, the Arabic words for "war" are "harb" or "qital", which are found in the Qur'an and Hadith.

@asamuel

Go to mosque and show it so people can get converted to islam. Every day muslims are knowing the light and converting to Christianity all over the world because we sit them down and show them the truth. It's not arguement but simple explanation. I am an example of a former muslim that knew the true way(Jesus). Whatever you argue, I'm happy I now know God.

What rubbish! If you were a muslim before, then you were never a practicing one, never understand anything regarding the teaching of Isalm and there are so many nonentity like you like proxy believer, do as I say. However, Islam doesn't want quantity, we need quality. People who are ready to learn, seek knowledge, research and worship thier God accordingly. Moreso, don't make full of yourself, read bible carefully, there are some truth in there clearly for you to know your lord is one God not trinity, no son, no children, no wife, hence no family.

@davidylan

this is a disgrace! You try to use the bible to smuggle mohammad in, then explain how mohammad can proceed from the FATHER since allah claims that he is not a father. Is that too confusing for u that you will use underhand methods to run away?

Yes Allah is not a father to anybody but a creator. The concept of father in the bible is homonymous and Islam deviate in totality to use such word to describe God almighty.

How I wish you open your mind without sentiment to read your bible A to Z carefully. Moreso, get a copy of Quran as well as the details on the life of prophet muhammad. the kind of his personality, how he relates with people arround him before and during prophethood.