₦airaland Forum

MrPresident1:
Interesting to note that nntr promotes homosexuality but condemns polygamy. weasel

I am just reading your post now. You say what? She promote that? No wonder! I think she is the same as the person kobochonki.

Before stating my Church of birth let me walk you through how I came to this realization. This is going to be quite the read.

2020 when the lockdown was in place we went to the Church to get some palliatives. You know, I enthusiastically and optimistically told our hired driver "don't worry theres plenty even you would get". The driver isn't a Christian but I was confident cos we were going to the Church where there's love, right?

Well we got to the Church, note I was a worker in the Church. We were refused entry into the Church and left outside waiting for almost an hour before I disappointedly told the driver to go, and I too left angrily after sometime.

See, I have been asking serious questions. What is a Church?
It is the gathering of Christ's believers and followers, guided by the unadulterated words of God.

I discovered that most Churches today are not a gathering of believers for Christ Jesus bonded together by the love for God and brethren. It is a devilish agenda built on self interest and self gratification. The Churches of today have managed to completely push aside the true words of God and replace them with the PROSPERITY GOSPEL and self gratification.

Many Pastors are not Christian Biblical teachers but CEOs of corporations they nickname Churches. Check the way they organize their ministries, same as any large business or company. That is why "Daddy GOs" hand over to their children, that is why their is no rules and regulations built on the words and warnings of God and the Bible. Everything goes except money issues.

These people talk down and reject Apostle Paul's teachings and warnings. These people misquote and reassign words of Jesus Christ. These people do not teach the GOSPEL OF CHRIST but THE LAWS OF ATTRACTION. That is why Pentecostal Churches have the highest rate of divorce and complete moral decadence in the society, that is why it has now become norm for a Pastor to be caught or accused of adultery or divorce.

These people open the Bible and teach the laws of attraction where it fits. These people are the richest and wealthiest in the society, their schools can not be attended by the average congregants. These people have put women on the puppets to "preach" or "teach" the same words that reject such. These people have built "Churches" on all streets yet there are homeless people on the same streets, and they shot their gates on them for the night. These people have legitimised out-of-wedlock activities and abortions.

The Devil is quite a genius!

Say what you want about my Church of birth but they teach the words and Gospel of Christ. Abominable practices and such are rejected and punished if found guilty, like a loving community. A woman knows what and who she is and so does a man, elders handle marital issues and reconcile parties involved. If one among the believeers has serious problems they gather together and donate to the person. A BIBLE BELIEVING CHURCH . A loving community of believers looking out for each other.

I was born into an ECWA Church (Evangelical Church Winning All), an Orthodox or Evangelical Church. I have missed that true Christianity and I am going back.

NNTR:
Now, I'll ask you again these reloaded interesting questions:
1. How much is a piece of string, because king Solomon had 700 wives, so what number of wives does one reach before stopping?
2. If the table is turned on you LocalStandard1, would you gladly consent and give in to sharing your single partner with another or other women?.

The thing is, I would have loved to continue this talk but knowing you are a feminist, one who thinks all men or as some of you put it "the patriarchy" are bad, I will have to stop. I am looking to talk with a Christian not a "sophisticated liberal" feminist. Not an insult.

Thank you anyway.

Mindlog:
With almost 7 out of every 10 Nigerians living in abject poverty, 99.5% of bank accounts in Nigeria has N500k and below as balance, where is the financial capacity to cater for those wives and the children by the man?
If Nigeria is a thriving economy where the basics are guaranteed, monogamy, polygamy... marriage in general would less be of a focus.

Miss you are a funny person.

Let me tell you how poor society survives.
In the absence of economic viability if you tell the people to marry and have children you are literally pushing the Society to extinction. You see, numbers is the only chance of a poor society for survival and even it's road to growth.

Many Western countries today are encouraging their citizens to marry and have more children cos without which we are seeing a struggling and dying country and society, most "developed" society are beginning to have that issue.

Yes marriage is important, miss, you should know that you are a social science student. Drop your pride woman.

NNTR:
When the operative keywords here, used are, mutual adult consent, then concerned parties can allow themselves to enjoy the pleasure of polygamy aka polygyny
Now the interesting questions are:
1. How much is a piece of string, because king Solomon had 700 wives, so what number of wives does one stop?
2. If the table is turned on LocalStandard1, would he gladly consent and give in to sharing a single partner with another or others.

I see you are a woman. I will not talk about this or most issues pitching men and women in the same context, they are different.
But I like that you're beginning to agree.
Now understand, God did not repremand Solomon cos he married multiple wives but cos he married unbelievers and entertained their gods.

Now the Old and New Testaments rejects and disallowed Christians from intermarriage with non believers, in many different books and by different Messangers of God. But you have no verse to disprove polygamy? Come on!!

Redeem Church has a female "Pastor" who married a non Christian, both of which are rejected in the Bible but polygamy is your big issue.

oldienavie:
The irony of the issue is that, it is the women that have suffered most in this dispensation of monogamy.
Go to churches, you see ladies in their 40s unmarried, and without a hope of where a husband will come from.
Single mothers littering everywhere, if polygamy was not frowned at, these women will be settled and have some direction.
Some people like to delude themselves by saying marriage is not everything, very misleading thing to say.
Even abroad, oyinbos take marriage very seriously talkless of Africa, if marriage was not important, why do women keep singing the carry me dey go song.
The summary of it is, westernization has made the life of an average woman worse , but we are not ready yet for this discussion.

Thank you! Our ignorance and over willingness to accept any nonsense from so called "whites" is our biggest problem. Asians, Middle Easterners, etc have found or are finding the their footing while reserveing and preserving their beloved cultures and believes. We are on a scramble to accept every sh*t from the west and throw away our own even if it solve actual problems.

Dtruthspeaker:
I have shown you where God has expressly declared that it is His Will that a man should have only one wife and now you changed post by asking
for someone punished just cos he married more than one wife?
Any way, David was. All his travails and started when he left his wife Micah.

The last time I said I respect someone here he twisted the narrative to make it sound like I said an abominable. But Still, I respect you too for your consistency on God's issues.

But let us not misquote the words of God to fit our new found believes or fear. You never gave me any proves where God rejected polygamy. Polygamy used to be a norm in the old days but the fact you have no prove, no verse to dispute and discredit the practice from the Bible says it is not an abomination in the eyes of God.

God and Messangers talked about even the most little ills of people but polygamy as widespread as it is does have one verse condemning it?
"Male and Female he created them" has nothing to do with polygamous marriage.

Righteousness2:
You don't need to respect me or my work bro. I am a mere human being.
What you need to know, understand and respect is God's Word.

If you respect the word of God you will know not to add to his word or remove from it as you are doing, and not to make yourself a Judge and Jury, neither taking pride in your self-righteousness but knowing even your best is nothing in God's eyes but his free gift of Righteousness.

Righteousness2:

First of all, you are not a Practical Christian. You are Christian without knowledge of GOD'S Word. You are a Christian living according to your own way not GOD'S way.
You are a Hosea 4:6 Christian.
If u like, you continue to Deceive yourselves as you wish. When you cross over, you will know how far. You can't say I didn't know or I didn't hear .

Reighteousness2 I respect your work as a Christian on Nairaland. But you have assumed the position of jury and judge, you condemn and pronounce judgement on all and have assumed the position that should be reserved for our God. You assume it is your self righteousness that saves you. Stop that habit, sir.

To the topic. I know of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, I know of David, Solomon just to mention a few. They all found favour and closeness with God, they all married more than one wife. Nowhere in the Bible did Yahweh reject any man cos he married more than one woman, Moses taught the Israelites how to stay in a polygamous marriage.

You can't tell me anywhere in the Bible where God or His messangers condemned a man only cos he has more than one wife, no where. But you have pronounced false Judgement on me and my Christian belief. You are not God.

NNTR:
1. Would you rise to occasion and reply or you want to call a friend?!!
2. Would it sit well with you, if your wife takes on one, two or more husbands at the same time still being married to you?
_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

First of all can we stop quoting entire posts just to tag someone? Thank you.

To answer you, I don't understand your first question.
Secondly, I as a man will not allow it. And yes the Bible reject a woman from having multiple sexual companions. The Bible calls her a h*rlot. Point one woman in the Bible that did that and I will tell you about her.

What you fail to understand and where you get it completely wrong is comparing men and women. These two genders are not the same, never have and never will be. That is one of the reasons for failed marriages. Thank you.

Mindlog:
Polygamy is a choice which you shouldn't coerce another into.

At least we agree polygamy isn't the problem right? A man having "side chicks" outside is a sin that should be rejected. But when he is willing and capable of having a second wife it's non of our business.

Dtruthspeaker:
When they asked Christ on marriage what was His Answer? He Said
"He made them male and female" not male and females.
No "3 shall become one 1" only 2 shall become 1
I Corinthians 7:2

We must understand that the Bible does not shy away from calling out sin or wrong doing. So tell me where the Bible condemned or punished someone just cos he married more than one wife?

You See, I am a practical Christian. I don't practice Christianity based on what the "Pastors" say, no, but what God says.

Now that we've gotten that out the way, who can tell me explicitly where the Bible, which is the word of God, condemned Polygamy. Anyone?

The Bible condemned a lot of things we have normalized today like fornication, adultery, female "pastors", female "teachers of the word", divorce, marrying unbelievers, girlfriend/boyfriend relationships, h*mos*xuality, drunkenness, female insubmissiveness, abortions, gambling, female or male cross dressing (females now adorn trousers to church puppets), non virgin marriages, you name. But name one verse where God or his messengers talked against polygamy, which was a norm then, just one verse.

I didn't want to talk about the man, Yul Edochie, all these while cos I believe its a no brainer that it should be a private issue, but Yul Edochie is personally one of the men I have come to respect the most in Nigeria. He could have decided and say to his second wife "abort the child" just like Sammie Okposo and a lot of others in secret. But this man owned up to it, admitted it and married the second wife out of love and to give the little one a home.

Men and women are not the same and will never be. Our fore bearers have practiced polygamy for as long as mans existence everywhere around the world even in the west, until now. Yul Edochie has done very well for his live and family and I support him cos polygamy is not a sin. May be with the rate of old unmarried ladies moving about now that is what will cure the moral decadence in our society.

Has even the so called monogamy settled the issue of rampant divorce rates? He did polygamy, Ned Nwoko did it, plenty did it and they are still married. You married one and a loaf of bread has lasted longer than your union.

Yeah right!!

You See, I am a practical Christian. I don't practice Christianity based on what the "Pastors" say, no, but what God says.

Now that we've gotten that out the way, who can tell me explicitly where the Bible, which is the word of God, condemned Polygamy. Anyone?

The Bible condemned a lot of things we have normalized today like fornication, adultery, female "pastors", female "teachers of the word", marrying unbelievers, divorce, girlfriend/boyfriend relationships, h*mos*xuality, drunkenness, female insubmissiveness, abortions, gambling, female or male cross dressing (females now adorn trousers to church puppets), non virgin marriages, you name. But name one verse where God or his messengers talked against polygamy, which was a norm then, just one verse.

I didn't want to talk about the man, Yul Edochie, all these while cos I believe its a no brainer that it should be a private issue, but Yul Edochie is personally one of the men I have come to respect the most in Nigeria. He could have decided and say to his second wife "abort the child" just like Sammie Okposo and a lot of others in secret. But this man owned up to it, admitted it and married the second wife out of love and to give the little one a home.

Men and women are not the same and will never be. Our fore bearers have practiced polygamy for as long as mans existence everywhere around the world even in the west, until now. Yul Edochie has done very well for his live and family and I support him cos polygamy is not a sin. May be with the rate of old unmarried ladies moving about now that is what will cure the moral decadence in our society.

Has even the so called monogamy settled the issue of rampant divorce rates? He did polygamy, Ned Nwoko did it, plenty did it and they are still married. You married one and a loaf of bread has lasted longer than your union.

Yeah right!!

My long epistle here might sound too illiberal for the Nairaland forum, but what is liberality itself when it is but lies, pretense and cover ups. After all we are talking about peoples' very existence right?

I said the people "WILL NOT" defend themselves cos that is partly the reason. It is not cos of cowardice, far from it cos for those who know the entire story and has lived with or interacted with the people knows we are not cowards in Southern Kaduna, maybe dumb but definitely not weaklings.

It is also not cos of numbers, cos as the records might show we are more of 50/50 percentile. I mean the state of Israel being surrounded by more than 300 million Muslims are not just surviving but are among the very top and best people in all spheres.

These are my reasons:

1. RELIGION- It is normal practice for us to always put every episode of brutal attacks on us to prayer. Is it on a weekly or monthly basis? We "put it all in prayer". Calm down, I am a believing Christian, but I also know what the Bible said about prayer and works here James 2:14-26.

2. INTERNAL DIVISION- Let me tell you the Southern Kaduna people will rather be butchered like nama(meat) the way it already is than put their as*es on seats together to talk out solutions and ways out of these rampage. We are very jealous, conceited and almost other worldly envious of each other to unite.

3. TREACHERY- Ah ha, this is one big one. I personally know a man that together with his group accepted money and sold out his Christian brother from the same tribe during one of the governorship primaries in KD years ago, backing instead the Muslim candidates. That's why Isaiah Balat, dead now, never became Governor even with his popularity and multiple tries. Treachery, sellout and betrayal are big among the Southern Kaduna people.

4. INTELLIGENCE- Trust me, I won't call my own dumb but I will definitely say we lack general brain power. I rest my case here.

5. UNMOTIVATED- I have not seen a people as unmotivated about anything as the Southern Kaduna people.

6. GOVERNMENT HAND- I saved the best for last. You see my people, one of the most important lessons I've learned in this live is to never call rumour conspiracy theories. Never my people! If you are one of us you will never too. Long ago I was opportune to get my hand on some printed paper about the secret planning of the genocide in Kaduna State. It was so gory and unbelievably well planned that I continued to tell myself it was a lie for weeks till it left my consciousness. Government Officials both past and present, Imams, notable Northern figures, it is well orchestrated, planned long ago.

FINAL NOTE:-

Imagine what the military is doing in far away South East. Well we are deep in the North and military barracks and establishments are riddled all around KD, if we rise the government only send in their military to do the South East stunt on us. It is not our Hands that are tied it is our very spirit. I specially thank the man, DAVID HUNDEYIN, for lending us his voice. He has done what no Pastor claiming Christian father can or will do.

WE ARE BEING EXTERMINATED IN SOUTHERN KADUNA!!

9jii:
Said by Ipob terrorists from far east

I love that you call me an IPOB. I wish we have our own wing in Southern Kaduna.

9jii:
Said by Ipob terrorists from far east

The Ipob from Far East seems more knowledgeable than you.

00FFT00:
Your concern is why I wrote: They also need bilateral defense and offense pact between the comprising ethnicities.

All are mutually inclusive.

I love that you are sounding technical. But all these terminologies sounds good to the ear but let me tell you of a people that would rather nobody succeed if they don't, and even if they do then let their neighbor don't. Let me tell you about some of the most divisively jealous, envious and staunchly conceited sets of people with deep dislike for their neighbors which they share similar tribe, same religion and looks with. These are the Southern Kaduna people.

Hold on, I am not being hateful, I myself am from there. We are kind and welcoming to others from the outside but not our very own. That is our first problem, that is why you see us where we are today. I love my own, but my own dissapoint me much.

Sorry for the long short summary.

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00FFT00:
Southern Kaduna should start marrying multiple wives. They also need bilateral defense and offense pact between the comprising ethnicities.
The real ethnic war in that location is still 20 years away, minimum.

marrying a million wives is not the problem, complete ignorance and unmotivation especially for positive developments are a start. But the real issue is division, disunity and distrust among the people and tribes. Without these your solutions aren't possible.

OMBIIGA:
Op your assertion on the population dynamics in southern Kaduna is false. I have personally transverse the length and breath of Southern Kaduna, to be candate is only matter of time the people of Southern Kaduna will go into extinction economically.
Across all their cities others control the economic live. They are even missing in the distribution chain of their beloved sub optimal farm produce.

I am from Southern KD. Some people here have made valid points, others just spew bunkum. But your post is the masterpiece I wish all Southern Kaduna people read.

To argue about the topic of the post will be invalid when the people themselves are unmoved and unmotivated then not United among themselves. Even if we in Southern Kaduna are 90% the population it means nothing when we ourselves don't have a single voice and not motivated and passionate about anything.

Let us see if the coming of this new party, Labour Party, in the state will be the wake-up call and unifying factor we need.

But his assertions are not false.

Growing up even as a child my best TV program is called "GOGE AFRICA". I used to look forward to when I will grow up and tour the entire African continent to see the different cultures, peoples, traditions, religions and ways of live. My fascination and love for Africa and its people had no comprehension.
I saw, and still see myself in the same level and in many areas better than the whites, Asians etc.

But I have come to see and understand that Africa and the African people probably have the lowest self esteem and lowest self love than all other races or even creatures. The rate of self-hate, self-mockery, self-despising, self-loathing, self-degradation, self-negativity and everything awful the African has and sees himself is unimaginably unbelieving.

The average Nairalander, Nigerian and Black person sees nothing, zilch good about himself, his culture, his ancestral ways, practices and believes. To the average Black African the Black person is dirt, useless, Dumb, lost.

Very Wrong Mentality!!

Prove to what I wrote is the vast majority of Nairalanders here taking on every opportunity to trash, berate, insult, put-down, mock everything Africa, everything Black, everything that looks like or smells like them. That is not sophistication, that is not being civilized or enlightened that is being dumb and filled with ignorance and self-defeating hate, that is displaying a conquered mind.

There was a post on front page about a person trashing Nigerian food in the UK calling it smelly. My God!!!
A guy posted about a mother feeding her child and he was raining insults on her, people agreed and joined him and rained more insults on Africa and the "Black race" and it's cultures and ways of live. Outrageous!!!

Every society, every race, groups or continent has its problems. I have never seen a more beautiful group, beautiful cultures, traditions, marvelous and intriguing, colorful and rich, majestic and magnificent entity as the African society, people and its different settings.

I've seen, heard and read people say "I wish I was not born an African", " God why did you bring me as Black?". I say to those people get lost, I will want to come back a Black African Man a million times a million times. Every "developed" country, race or society you see today are holding on to there cultures and history and believes with great jealousy and esteem. the Chinese, Japanese, Middle Easterners, Westerners and their separate cultures and groups, Indians, South Americans, etc. But the African person seems the cheap, easy sell out.

If I was to be asked which country I would visit or relocate next it will be an African country. And I have been laughed at for being "too Black" skinned, I will never bleach my skin even in the dream. If you have nothing to contribute as an African and Black person, oh good, shamelessly bleach your skin and leave the continent, many have gone before you. Just pls stop the b*tching, the continent and people need proud solution finders not self-down-casting unproductive little shylings.

Thank you and save journey out.

Funny I was one of the "sai barber" demonism in 2015. I even hated the Igbos for being "hateful", now I am on a mission for reconciliation, forgiveness and rebuilding the disaster of that catastrophy and mistake in the Villa. Now those same people are bringing old sicklings to us, again. God abeg!!!

This thread here is one of the reasons why I respect and salute the Igbos always. They stood their ground, got hated and rejected for warning about the truth, but now they are having the last laugh.

Igbos forgive me oh, for my extreme hate and anger towards you in the past. Our President, Goodluck Jonathan, sorry the insults and abuse. Your government was corrupt but no way near this one, your government ate but remembered the masses. with all the insults, comedy skits and attacks you did not respond or arrest anyone. GEJ you will not be forgotten.

I am OBIdient and Yusful today. Join me.

Hopez456:
That branch is actually understaffed, i recently had a complain of over ₦3000 deducted from my account. I went to the bank early enough, i was shocked with the Mammoth crowd i met waiting to resolve one complain or the other, seeing this, i left and couldn't even complain.
Their ATMs are most times unable to dispense, leaving customers stranded.

GT banks used to have the best service and customer care, over the years as the customer base grew they become proud, insensitive and lost the one major attraction they had. Na to leave them remain.

They want to finally end sports. One of the only places where most men go to discover and connect with their inner man is about to be invaded with bothersome emotional and verbal exaggerations and petty attachee by force people.

Future sports looks bleak. But thank God I don't care much for football.

I foresee a future in Nigeria soon where people will stop taking there money to the banks, soon the banks will loose more than 50% of all customers. Banks will go back to the times where they go out in the hot sun and stay out late at night just to register customers.
They will go back to when they do promos and giveaways to customers.

More people will go into online scam than has ever been seen, even banks websites will suffer from scammers and Brute Attacks.
But before then, one year from now about 20% of people will stop banking there money. Your money will be more save and accessible in your secret save(s) than with Banks.

I have keen eyes for observations and analysis, I know people, I know Nigerians, I know the system. We'll see soon enough!!

Let me trek to my destination.

I am approaching 2 hours now and still can't access money and I need to withdraw to go back to where I am coming from.

This country is gone. The insensitivity of the average Nigerian is demonic, service provision is the worst cos we don't give a hoot about outstanding performance. There's something called the ripple effect, it affects us all. A woman has to give someone 1k to go, even she can't withdraw what she came for.

I pity the future.

This bank is the worst, they have about six ATMs outside the hall and all are almost never working or there's always no money. 4pm they've locked the bank and won't allow you get your money. Fingerprints too hardly work!

What is going on in this Country? You can see more than thirty people at the ATMs at a time all standing and waiting. Inside the Bank is understaffed, you can wait in line for hours for your turn.

Is this how they want to phace out the old currencies? You have to pray, hope and anticipation just to get your own money, under hot sun?

You can imagine outside a Bank oh, there are POS stands, Which kind thing be this?! Maybe it's left to close the accounts with them.

Matthew 7:21-23

You See, in the Bible verses above Jesus Christ rejected some people even though they preach, heal, Prophesy in his name.

What I will say will sound laughable even to some Pastors. Hear this story:

When I was a teenager we asked our Sunday school teacher when it was the right time to be in a relationship. He said when you're ready for marriage, and that boyfriend/girlfriend relationships are unchristian practices.

We were surprised and laughed at his advice.

I know a girl that had more than 3 abortions before she was 20.

Now I know why every culture in all continents and race used to assign wives and husbands to people right from childhood.

Being in "relationships" without first being ready and willing for marriage is not a Christian way of life and should be stopped by True practical believers of our Lord Jesus Christ.

We are in a time now where you get laughed at for saying you want to marry a virgin. You get mocked for saying you're not in a relationship. You can't even find a real believer in the genuine word of God again. Pastors now celebrate Davido and Chioma, Pastors dedicate their children from wedlock on the puppet,
Pastors "prophesy" on their behalf, and celebrate their types.

Don't get me wrong, I too am from such wicked arrangement and so I promise myself not to do same to an innocent child.

Boyfriend/Girlfriend relationships are an abomination in God's eyes, but a cunningly corrupt concept of the conniving devil. I seem to be increasingly finding the words and concept repulsive and annoying.


Christians should reject it.

I wrote about this sometime ago. Good one.
In other countries people go to jail for years like they killed someone just for tax evasion. Nigeria has made it a haven for them. That's an offence.

You know, I have always been curious. I ask questions about everything and go on my own to see, hear and know for myself. Why am I saying this?

There seems to be this wide campaign and narrative being spread that Kanye West is insane and out of his mind. Then they say to you "don't take him seriously". False!

I think Kanye West is an intellectual. A bold unafraid one too. I was on YouTube listening to him, not what is being said about him. I heard him say things from his own mouth and that guy is an intellectual, deeply aware, proud person. He is ideological and a visionary individual.

They say he pushes anti-Semitic statements but do you know the whole story? He's not anti-Semitic, he raises valid, realistic concerns and he directs them at people he means to without mixing words.

They say he's against the Black Americans and pro-white, cos he is against the BLM. But that guy is probably the most pro Black and Afrocentric person in the USA.

Some people will laugh and disagree about me calling him Intelligent but go and find videos of him talking. Not about one topic but all matters and you will be convinced otherwise. Don't just read or watch news of people feeding you what they want you to think and believe, do your own findings and your live will never be the same.

He said he wants to be the US President, I believe with the amount of divergent following he is amassing that might someday be a reality.

adekolaelect:
Story without way out

proff010
I don't know if the average Nairalander is a computer bot or an alien cos I don't understand.

I wrote like an article about something and you guys still ask "the way out?" What other way out if you haven't read the post? Should I number each point and define them like to a nursery student.

My kind of posts don't make front page, hell some get deleted or hidden so don't expect to be first to comment with me. Come with the intention of a valid, intelligent argument cos that's all you might get. Not fame.