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Right. It can't be implemented. Tracking devices and odometer reading is rocket science. I agree.

[quote author=barack_o_handso]Beckenbauer: Messi is the world's best
player[/quote]End of...The Kaiser has spoken...and he didn't even mention Ribery. No sentiments. That's what great players/coaches are made of, and he was both.

paschal ndidi: Is she not? If not her breasts would ve gone flat.

Very true. Like Dolly Patton's flat breasts right?

usbcable: if its one midget that scored they wont bother their brains about the number of failed attempts he has had.

Problem is, THAT midget would not need as many attempts to reach that milestone.

paschal ndidi: She might not know the consequence of her action until her old age.

You mean she's young?

I don't think anyone noticed how poor that Betis pitch was; clumps of uprooted grass and soil/sand. That affected the play of several players and most affected were Puyol and Tello. The backpass from Puyol that almost resulted in a goal for Betis for instance was slowed by the pitch. He forgot he wasn't on a slick pitch (with reduced friction and a faster ball). But yeah, Puyol is not in (and actually past) his best form.

Yes; continue throwing the through passes when due and watch the goals rain. Wingers make their run, throw the pass!

philip0906: Bro i told you you shot yourself in the leg by bringing up that baseless and unfounded claim not proven by anyone but merely the views and expressions of folks like you and I. You now gave me a link that does no justice to your claims cos this also appears- on numerous occasions pointing to John as the author. You probably did not read it. right?
Please don't go about pasting unvalidated theories

One really cannot force open the eye of the blind, eh? Stay blind.

crackhaus: Returns will come from movie fees her twin babies will command with the negotiation of the insurer of course, or did you not read that part in the article?

LOL. The Insurers will negotiate with WHICH movie makers for how much? Who wants her in their movies and how much are they willing to pay?

philip0906: Oh my Goodness, can you please throw more light on the @bolded? you just finally nailed yourself seems like i am in for some history class from the almighty logica.Wanted to stay away from derailing the thread, but you've left me with no choice. Tell me something.Please lecture me with proofs. . .I am waiting

The Gospel According to John (Greek τὸ κατὰ Ἰωάννην εὐαγγέλιον), commonly referred to as the Gospel of John or simply John, is an anonymous account of the public ministry of Jesus. It begins with the witness and affirmation of John the Baptist and concludes with the death, burial, resurrection, and post-resurrection appearances of Jesus. This account is fourth of the canonical gospels, after the synoptics (Matthew, Mark and Luke), and is often referred to in New Testament scholarship as the Fourth Gospel.
Chapter 21 states that the book derives from the testimony of the 'disciple whom Jesus loved.' Along with Peter, the unnamed disciple is especially close to Jesus, and early church tradition identified him as John the Apostle, one of Jesus' Twelve Apostles. The gospel is closely related in style and content to the three surviving Epistles of John such that commentators treat the four books,[1] along with the Book of Revelation, as a single body of Johannine literature. According to most modern scholars, however, John was not the author of any of these books.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

I really cannot help you further, as if you do want enlightenment, you must do it yourself. Just go read up more on the Synoptic Gospels.

crackhaus: After all is said and done, Cossy Orjiakor's hussle and boobness is bringing in serious returns.

What returns? She's paying for the insurance. They are not paying her except something happens to the b00bs. Does she plan to set her b00bs on fire? Can she even keep up with the annuity payments?

AjanleKoko: It wasn't Indians that crashed Multilinks. It was South Africans. Telkom execs, to be precise.

My guy, I had front row seat in watching the meltdown of MultiLinks. It was previously Indian owned before the South Africans stepped in and they had completely run down the establishment by then. Telkom bought 75% stake in 2007. There were incidents of massive fraud and embezzlement. I even learned one of their Indian managers bought a large portion of land in V/I. My wife worked there.

http://www.thenigerianvoice.com/nvnews/117015/1/how-we-were-8216misled8217-into-investing-in-multi.html

oyb: You want to talk about multilinks when we have several companies nigerians ran down by themselves? Look at what is happening to aero, look at the bank chiefs who blew 25 billion, look at Jimoh Ibrahim and air nigeria

Aha. So you see they are no better managers after all? What makes them better than us?

philip0906: You can whine for all you care, but the truth is For any true christian, the Bible is the standard and not some white wearing pope.
I don't know the bible you are arguing about, but my Bible was neither written by the pope nor by constantine, but by men inspired by God himself from Moses down to Paul and John.
I see how you have unintelligently left the arguement which is mainly Bible centric and dragging other things into the thread.

LMAO. Fvcking mugu. The men inspired by God are no more than King Constantine and his Council of Nicea which consisted of the big names in Christendom at the time; long before Martin Luther. Go and get acquainted with history dude; speaking of whining, does your teacher in school whine when teaching you? I am handing out lessons here; just learn and keep mum.

For your information, the Book of John was not written by John (Jesus' supposed disciple), neither were the books of Matthew and Mark. These books were all written several hundred years after the death of Christ; and the likelihood of these men surviving for 200+ years to write books is, I can quite tell you absolute zero.

oyb: you are still missing the point - why is it indians are able to sell themselves and nigerians aren't?

what is stopping us from building our own wipro today? we have the same infrastructure challenges the indians have, not so?

But I already pointed how they are able to "sell" themselves: they live off the contribution of the forerunners in the 80s to create tech giants like Microsoft, Apple, IBM etc. But like I said, most of them are not as competent as the general world would have us believe. It's not different from when Nigerians go to some other countries and they think by default we are all super-smart.

By the way, did you learn how the Indians ran down MultiLinks? I have never heard or seen more incompetence, laziness, sense of entitlement and corruption as found in the MultiLinks story.

philip0906: Sorry to burst your burble, the pope or whatever, is not the symbol of christianity neither are we christians bound to any pope. SO if the pope decides to wipe out infidels, that's his own problemo. GO read about Marthin Luther and understand how he vehemently opposed some of the ills by the catholic church.
The Bible is our guide and standard, so quote me some Bible not some pope. The Bible has clearly told us as new testament believers, that murder is a sin and all murderers shall have their part in the lake of fire which burneth with fire and brimstone.

Martin Luther that came up in 1483 - 1546? Sorry to BURST YOUR MEGA FAT BUBBLE, but the Popes of the Roman Catholics will forever have a grip on Christianity as they even gave you your fvcking Bible in the first place! See this mugu o! Who gave you the Bible? Who did King Constantine assemble at the First Council of Nicea to vote on which chapters made up the Bible? Was it Martin Luther? Or were there any Protestants present?

oyb: so why haven't nigerians been able to tap into this same formula or create our own?

How can we tap into something that we were not a part of, and that took off from the 80s? Do you think Nigeria would not have become a tech hub like India in IT Technology if we had been the "chosen" go-to reservoir of technical talent in the 80s? Yes we would have; because just as there were Indians working for tech companies from way back, so were Nigerians. There were just as technically capable Nigerians just as were Indians (though of course there were way more in India going by their population).

oyb: there is an attitude i have seen with a lot of nigerian artisans on projects and with mechanics too - take it or leave it - it cannot be done better than this; a complete satisfaction with mediocrity coupled with some sort of misplaced arrogance over perceived competence. there's an old man that used to be in my department - a CAD drafter. the man's knowledge of CAD was like 10%, and there were multiple QA issues with his work - but he was the only one, and he had a lot of pride for a person who imho could not draft for sheet. i'm very cad proficient, and this came about partially because i hated the idea of begging some lazy Arrow to stay back to finish his work.

How is this a Nigerian thing? I will give an example of an acquaintance who used to think like some of you here: that if you have any software development need, go to India. He got seriously burned on a few projects; his Indian contacts delivered shoddy work and apparently they didn't even understand the requirements, and outright lied about their proficiency. He ended up still searching, but coming to Nigeria and Kenya. That is what is happening.

philip0906: yup. . .justifiable killing as explained by that post. I probably forgot to sooth ur nerves, by telling you that "justifiable killing" went after the advent of the first coming of Christ meaning it has been abolished by the death and subsequent resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Oh yeah? Abolished by who? Did you read my first post on the order Pope Urban II in (1099) gave the Crusaders about killing the Muslims (infidels) in Jerusalem? Maybe Urban II did not get the memo, or you know something he doesn't know eh? OK, you don't history anyway...

philip0906: You have to firstly be open minded when reading the Bible not prejudiced, else you will just be making errors and exposing your ignorance. There is a difference between murder and justifiable killing. Murder involves intentional and malicious hatred which leads to life-taking. On the other hand, the Bible speaks of permissible life-taking in capital punishment (Gen. 9, in self defense (Exod. 22:2), and in a justifiable war (Gen. 14). (2) The Canaanites were by no means innocent. They were a people cursed of God from their very beginning (Gen. 9:25). They were a vile people who practiced the basest forms of immorality. God described their sin vividly in these words, “I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants” (Lev. 18:25). (3) Further, the innocent people of the land were not slaughtered. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah clearly demonstrates that God would save a whole city for ten righteous people (Gen. 18:22f.). In that incident, when God could not find ten righteous people, He took the four or five righteous ones out of the place so as not to destroy them with the wicked (Gen. 19:15). On another occasion God saved some thirty-two thousand people who were morally pure (Num. 31:35). Another notable example is Rahab, whom God saved because she believed (cf. Heb. 11:31). (4) God waited patiently for hundreds of years, giving the wicked inhabitants of Canaan time to repent (cf. 2 Peter 3:9) before He finally decided to destroy them (Gen. 15:16). When their iniquity was “full,” divine judgment fell. God’s judgment was akin to surgery for cancer or amputation of a leg as the only way to save the rest of a sick body. Just as cancer or gangrene contaminates the physical body, those elements in a society—if their evil is left to fester—will completely contaminate the rest of society. (5) Finally, the battle confronting Israel was not simply a religious war; it was a theocratic war. Israel was directly ruled by God and the extermination was God’s direct command (cf. Exod. 23:27-30; Deut. 7:3-6; Josh. 8:24-26). No other nation either before or after Israel has been a theocracy. Thus, those commands were unique. Israel as a theocracy was an instrument of judgment in the hands of God.

I just had to laugh at the red highlight. Speak of a bleating goat calling a man "stinky". Wonderful. Justifiable killing eh? Killing of children is justifiable indeed. Mugu.

goshen26: God will never ask you to kill, He (GOD) respect blood alot, that is why He commanded in the book of Exodus not to eat blood, even the blood of animals, let alone spilling the blood of humans, only devil's incarnate that hide under religion will do such.

In 1 Samuel 15:2-3, God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'" God ordered similar things when the Israelites were invading the promised land (Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18).

Flat as a pancake. Venezuelan beauties I know are thicker than this (with baby-bearing hips).

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ's heralds to publish this everywhere and to pers­e all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.

All who die by the way, whether by land or by sea, or in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if you do not aid those who, with us, profess the Christian religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against the faithful now go against the infidels and end with victory this war which should have been begun long ago. Let those who for a long time, have been robbers, now become knights. Let those who have been fighting against their brothers and relatives now fight in a proper way against the barbarians. Let those who have been serving as mercenaries for small pay now obtain the eternal reward. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul now work for a double honor. Behold! on this side will be the sorrowful and poor, on that, the rich; on this side, the enemies of the Lord, on that, his friends. Let those who go not put off the journey, but rent their lands and collect money for their expenses; and as soon as winter is over and spring comes, let them eagerly set out on the way with God as their guide.

Pope Urban II commanding the First Christian Crusade against the Muslims in Jerusalem.

I won't be surprised if she thinks the deal means she'd be paid $1.6 million like for an endorsement deal.

adconline: "Men lie, women lie, numbers dont"
Auto:
India companies: Tata which owns Range Rover and Jaguar, Mahindra, Bajaj makes our Keke-Napep
Naija companies: NONE.

Telecom.
India: 2 - Reliance and Bharti Airtel.
Naija: 1- Glo- most of the top managers are Indians.

IT/Software:
Indi:Infosys and Wipro. top vendors to most Naija banks. Finacle by Infosys is the top banking software for most Naija banks.

Naija: None

Billionaires
India: Forbes lists 55 Indians
Naija: 2

CEO of Global brands.
India: 8 Indians are CEOs at big US companies like Citibank ,Pepsi,Adobe
Naija: None.


Forbes World's Biggest 2000 companies:
India: 56 companies
Naija: 1- company- dangote

Independece:
India: 1947
Nigeria: 1960

So how come India has prospered more than Naija when Nigerians are more hard working?

Aha, your history lesson is not complete. Most of the success and prosperity India currently enjoys today trace directly back to the PC and software boom of the 80s especially Microsoft, IBM and several other major players in the IT industry. They just so happened to discover they could recruit Indians to do several of these jobs and at lower costs. And they simply stuck to this tried and tested formula: "You need cheap technical labor? Go to India".

I can draw an analogy between this and a football club called Espanyol in Spain. They employed goalkeeper Thomas Nkono (a Cameroonian) in the 80s. Because of his performance, they then employed another Cameroonian goalkeeper (Idris Kameni) in 2004. They had found a formula. This kind of action is common in football and in fact other areas of human endeavor: Newcastle had found a formula in a (preferably tall) strong African lone striker, like Levante. "Tried and tested" is the watch word. Now if Espanyol had tried a Nigerian and he did well like Nkono, they would forever be searching for Nigerian goalkeepers. But does this prove the Cameroonian goalkeeper is superior to other African goalkeepers in general? I think not.

So yes, the Indians capitalized on the situation and turned it into an industry: making labor available to the US.

ddippset: yes cus I know he averages 3 or 4 free kicks per game if not more, and he has played maybe 300 games for madrid. Could that mean 20 freekick goals out of 900 attempts?

Hahahahaha...

usbcable: Ronaldo has now scored 20 direct free-kicks for Madrid, overtaking Ronaldinho's 19 for Barça.

You mean he just hit 20? I would've thought he had over 100 with the number he takes!

I also checked the meaning of the name "Cecelia" and it means "WAY for the blind". And not JUST "blind" as you want us to believe. So basically, I am your Cecelia.

With Claudia...hmm...

AjanleKoko: I can only return your he-he with another he-he. Like you're the first and only Nigerian to be recruited to the US via H1-B in 2000?

If you knew this, why did you then rhetorically ask "where are Nigerians"? Even up till today, Nigerians interested in working in the US are still getting employed on H1-B (some from Nigeria and some on graduating from US universities). So I don't quite get your point here.

AjanleKoko: You're also making cheap labor sound like a dirty word. That's part of the reality problem Nigerians have; there's a reason why these companies in Silicon Valley are taking these jobs away from their own people, don't you think? If there are cheaper alternatives available, why would they not take it?

Well, you were not there in the US to work with the Indians I worked with; but I must tell you they were overall not as good as the Americans. There is a reason they were cheaper; and believe you me there is a cost associated with being cheap and it is seen in quality (you pay peanuts, you employ monkeys). So you have to reach an equilibrium of quality versus cost. There was even one (my Indian colleague) who was clearly better at singing than writing code; and he part confessed to this fact (that he was actually a musician). He had obviously bribed somebody to get an H1-B to get to the US. Many of them simply paid somebody in an Indian owned company in the US to file for them. Everybody but the Americans know there is a lot of corruption in the H1-B regime.

Basically what I am telling you is, it's all reputation (from the 80s with the explosion of PC technology and software led by Microsoft) that has kept several mediocre Indians employed. Many are nowhere near the expertise of the forerunners. If you are talking of Indians who are on top of their game, you are referring to the very apex who represent no more than 2% of Indian developers.

AjanleKoko: Or why the Indians consistently fill the H1-B quota. Why are Nigerians not in there?

Aha! H1-B? The same H1-B that I was employed on right from Nigeria 13 years ago? The same H1-B that helps America find cheap labor eh? Ha ha. Who else would fill the quota if not for those who have perfected the art of cheap labor? And who told you Nigerians are not employed on H1-B?

Yes, Indian companies have a head start, and that's why many of our banks run on Finacle and the like. How easy is it to compete with companies who have the advantage of even test-running their software in the US? The few Nigerian companies able to give them a run for their money are just not bothered because of the steep cost of getting into the industry. Yet we have several Nigerian companies offering competing software in other areas e.g HumanManager (SystemSpecs) even if it is crappy. But Nigerian software companies have mostly come alive with Mobile Banking/Payments. I can see what Parkway Projects have done; very professional. So yes, we are right there with the Indians even if we are a bit behind due to exposure.

And oh yeah, I bested them, not to brag. And these were guys who had been in the US longer and more experienced. So I hope with this addition you reach tipping point and get rich.

AjanleKoko: That's cute.

Glo isn't run by Indians, FYI.
Glo is run by Mrs Talabi, Sangowawa, and Paddy. And Mike himself. Any Indian in Glo is just an employee like the Nigerians who are complaining.
I work in that industry.

Afrijet isn't run by any Indians. Neither is Arik. If there is any Indian in the employ of Arik, such Indian certainly has no serious say in the management.

Stop making imaginary conjecture around. If you don't know, it's much better to restrain yourself from typing.

Good for you; you are the only person who works in the Nigerian IT industry.

In any case, I have worked with Indians professionally and with Nigerians; for 6 years in the US I bested them as colleagues consistently. So when you say Nigerians are lazy, I take it you speak of those you pay chicken feed and expect to lose an arm and a leg working for you (like Indians do). I have some kids I am working with, and they are as good as any Indians I have ever worked with. This is software development I am talking about; the same one you hear Indians are the gods.

When I say Indians "run" a company, every sensible person knows I don't necessarily speak of management. What do Talabi and Paddy know about IT for instance? I do know they are essentially delegating to their slave drivers who have plenty of experience working in that capacity.

AjanleKoko: So Glo, Afrijet, Arik Air, etc., are owned by Indians?

Nigerians must find excuse sha. No shaking.

You don't know the difference between "owned" and "run"?

AjanleKoko: Like that show in the '80s . . . you asked for it!

https://www.nairaland.com/555538/globacom-forced-staff-work-under

https://www.nairaland.com/294494/worst-employer-labour-nigeria-afrijet

https://www.nairaland.com/1138516/worst-2012-employers-share-experience

https://www.nairaland.com/882832/coo-mohammed-jameel-leaves-glo this one is funny, an Indian fleeing a Nigerian boss

https://www.nairaland.com/514760/globacom-staff-resignation-mail

https://www.nairaland.com/1342109/ecobank-nigeria-employees-overworked-management

https://www.nairaland.com/1040221/another-access-bank-employee-caleb

https://www.nairaland.com/669633/not-slaves-coca-cola-pay-nigerian

https://www.nairaland.com/446333/fcmb-treating-staffs-slaves

https://www.nairaland.com/1463216/kick-against-unjust-practices-icsl

https://www.nairaland.com/706952/arik-air-sinks-lies-slavery

https://www.nairaland.com/154014/access-bank-forces-staff-take

https://www.nairaland.com/722543/access-bank-md-aigboje-aig-imoukhuede

https://www.nairaland.com/117372/zenith-bank-exploiting-graduates

It's like virtually all the companies in Nigeria are exploiting people, if you go by Nairaland

Interestingly, several of the examples you mentioned are run by Indians. With banks, we all know what to expect from them, so...