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vedaxcool: Still debunking the picture? I see the picture is hurting u a lot , should I take it down? I mean u lost the first round and now u are hustling seriously to win the picture round, but from all indication u are again loosing the picture round hence ur renewed labor in debunking a hilarious picture, I can't stop laughing anytime I see it, why won't u heed my advice and play with ur piggy toy or is it now haram in atheism? Lol

You know why I keep answering you? I want to have a full page of your trolling and insults and so that whenever any of your muslim brothers on nairaland say that atheists are trolls/abusive/argue stupidly, I can always point to you as an example of hypocrisy.

Also, why are you claiming that you won any argument? You lost the arguments on 3 basic facts-

1) millions of muslim women reject polygamy,
2) blasphemy laws have nothing to do with holocaust denial. Holocaust denial is racist
3) Polygamy has neative effects on women, especially the first wives.



Btw, why did you stop calling me "Olodo" and "pooboy". Why did you stop the insults? Were you ashamed that I called you out on your behaviour that is not welcomed in the Koran?

OLAADEGBU:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPCcHD8daO8

It will be better for you to learn what it means to be a Christian by watching this videoclip.

Lol....you use Benny Hinn to explain christianity? A man who has made false prophecies about homosexuals and Fidel Castro? A man who sent mails asking for donations to buy private Jets?

tbaba1234: Well, that is not the Islamic position:

Islam basically means to submit and surrender. those who submit and surrender to the will of God are called Muslims. Jesus, Moses, Salih, Abraham all submitted to the will of the creator and were therefore muslims. Jesus did not come with a religion called christianity (from christ) and moses did not come with a religion called Judaism (from judah). They both came with the message of obedience to a creator...

Now, these messengers were given revelation and knowledge they couldn't have possibly known otherwise. The Quran is one of such revelations. So whilst the prophet couldn't have known about some of these people. It was revealed to him by the master/owner of the heavens and the earth.

As regards plagarisation,
1. the bible was not translated into Arabic throughout the time of the prophet.
2. There is no way the prophet could have obtained that kind of knowledge, since there were very few christians in mecca and medina.
3. Religious books for christians was limited to the priest/monks (there were no printing press). The only person in mecca was Waraqa who died within a few days after the 23 year revelation started. The prophet only met him twice in his life.
3. There are no valid (or reasonable) claims of any one teaching him...
4, He was unlettered (could not read/write), The Quran makes that clear

So where did he plagarise from? You will have to provide evidence to make that kind of claim..
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The Quran also tells the prophet that he was oblivious of these stories:

That is from the news of the unseen which We reveal to you, [O Muhammad]. And you were not with them when they cast their pens as to which of them should be responsible for Mary. Nor were you with them when they disputed. (Surah 3:44)

And you, [O Muhammad], were not on the western side [of the mount] when We revealed to Moses the command, and you were not among the witnesses
[to that]. (Surah 28:44)

The news is from the unseen....

Moses was a Jew. Jesus was a Jew but Jesus brought about a reformation of judaism and that is why we have christianity.

I wont arue much as Majaze has destroyed your argument. Kudos Majaze

maclatunji: ^Can you point to a place where Jesus (AS) said: "I am Jesus (AS) and I have brought Christianity to you as a religion?" All Prophets including Jesus (AS) were Muslims.

You argue from a disadvantaged position- Of course, you will not accept that.

Huh?

Jesus was a Jew that reformed Judaism and that is why people have christianity. Jesus was not a christian, though he brought about christianity.

Jesus never spoke Arabic, neither did Moses.


I do not even have to talk much on this point. Majaze does a good job of destroying your argument. Kudos Majaze.

vedaxcool: Awwwh, pooboy babies cannot think but they will easily know that there is life after birth! Lol . Truly the picture must be really hurting u for u to use all ur energy in "debunking" it, but again u Failed flat to even get the joke, lol and if u cannot get this simple jokes instead race to "debunk" the picture with irrational points then how else did I ever think u would have made sense in this thread?. Just follow my advice and play with your piggy toy u would feel better. Lol

If I didnt get the joke, how did I know how to debunk the analogy?

vedaxcool: Awwwh, pooboy babies cannot think but they will easily know that there is life after birth!

Did you ignore the statement I made? I said "if babies could think, they would know"! Or do you just make up nonsense and claim that I said it? Below is my comment;

The babies are attached to their mother and living inside the mother. If they could think rationally, they would easily know that there is life outside

tbaba1234: The word used is 'lahaza' which basically means to push or at most slap with an open palm.

A better translation would be:
He pushed me (lahadani) in the chest (fi sadri) with a push (lahdatan)which made me sore (awja'atni).

Lahadani also has other implications as well.. "pushing" of the Prophet does indeed convey meaning - usually to drive away evil influence and thought. Like in the hadith below:

Ubbay said: There occurred in my mind a sort of denial which did not occur even during the Days of Ignorance. When the Messenger of Allah saw how I was affected, he slapped/pushed (lahadani) me on the chest. I broke into a sweat and felt as if I were looking at Allah in fear.

(Sahih Muslim)

The above example goes to show that the prophet did not hit Ayesha as abuse or as wife beating as you claim, he pushed her as to remove any ill doubts or suspicion out of her heart of HIM NOT BEING FAIR TO HER (which is proven by the question he asks her in the hadith). He did the same to some companions and to many others he would put his hand on their heart, and pray for them, push their chest, and other proximity methods in order to remove the doubts or ill thoughts from their heart.

There are many other examples of this....

His wife herself confirms this, the fact that he never hit his wives

Aisha narrated “The Prophet (saw) never beat any of his wives or servants, in fact, he did not strike anything with his hand except in the cause of Allah or when the prohibitions of Allah were violated and he retaliated on behalf of Allah” (NASAA’I)

So that is conclusive proof from his wife herself that He never hit anyone except in war...

I dont really mind if you debunk the hadith I put forward. I was just making a point to LagosShia. My main point borders on the Koran and verse 4;34


Majority of the English translations say "beat your wife". Infact, LagosShia could find only one translation (in which the translator has a mission to feminize the Koran) that said "separate"

seguun: If Allah doesn't exist, how come EVERY time I sleep or slumber (not just every night but any time of the day I sleep or slumber) I have a dream and my dream doesn't fail to come true?, nothing befalls me except what I have seen in my dream. That is, since I can reason myself nothing has ever met me unawares but I will always anticipate it for it has been shown to me already. No face or place I see for the first time in (reality) is new to me for I would have been shown before I meet it (major world events are not left out).
If Allah doesn't exist, how come ALL the quranic stands on the origin of the universe are scientifically correct? This is impossible for someone in the 7th century to have come up with...the 20th century scientists spend billions with all the sophisticated devices before they could arrive on what is already in the quran 1400 years ago.
Also if Allah doesn't exist what are the chances of you writing the english alphabets on different materials and throw them to the sky and when landing they all landed arranged in alphabetical order?.
You are funny, so you think Allah is one sort of a "super man" that will just fly to the crime scene and rescue somebody in danger?. You see, there is good and evil... and Allah will reward those who perpetuate in both good and evil accordingly.

1) Dreams are just dreams. They have little or no effect on real life. How many times have you died in your dream? Yet, you're still alive in real life.

2) The Koran is not scientific. It is a lie that has been told to young muslims that the Koran contains knowledge that scientists are just finding. The creation story that Adam and Eve were created has been debunked by evolution.

3) Allah/God does not exists. It is convenient for you to agree that your life is in Allah's will because you are not starving or heavily suffering. Why should Allah care for you but not the muslims starving in Somalia? Why should Allah care for you but not the slaves that muslims castrated and killed? Are you a btter muslim than the muslims thatlose their childern in sucide bombings? Are you better than the muslim civilians that get killed in wars?

tbaba1234: What do you mean what he knew?

I said that Islam is a product of christianity. Why is Jesus in the Koran? Was he not plagiarised from the bible? What would Muhammad or other Arabs haveknown about Jesus Christ to put him in the Koran

LagosShia: allow me to answer your question with a question.if you watch swimming competition on tv or diving,you see usually the men are shirtless.is it unfair in your opinion that the women do not compete shirtless? why dont they compete shirtless? tell us who determines what is proper in such sport competitions and what is not and banned.

THERE IS NO BURDEN OR DIFFICULTY FOR THE BELIEVERS IN ISLAM:

"Allah intends for you ease, and does not want to make things difficult for you" [Holy Quran 2:185}

"Allah does not want to place you in difficulty" [Holy Quran 5:6].

"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided".[Holy Quran 2:186]

"Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."[Holy Quran 2:286]

"And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you "Muslims" before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. So establish prayer and give zakah and hold fast to Allah . He is your protector; and excellent is the protector, and excellent is the helper".[Holy Quran 22:78]

""Verily there has come unto you a Messenger from amongst yourselves, it grieves him that you should suffer any difficulty, he is anxious for you, for the believers he is full of pity and merciful"[Holy Quran 10:128]




you are wrong.i have dealt with the issue of freedom.i have presented how minorities are treated and protected in Islam.

now i would deal with literacy.let us take Iran as case study:

Literacy
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: above 80%[8]
male: 86%
female: 75.0% (2003 est.)

note that,it is recorded presently that the number of female university students and graduates in Iran surpass the number of their male counterparts.

"Progress Of Iran Under An Islamic Regime (shariah)"

https://www.nairaland.com/908175/progress-iran-under-islamic-regime

1) Forget quoting the Koran for a second. Seriously, are you saying that it is against Allah's will to let women wear shorts and tight tops? You make Allah sound like he is Hot. Sorry, but that's what it looks like to an unbeliever

2)I said equality and literacy "together" and not "separately". Qatar also has a high literacy rate. However, equality is not present in both Iran and Qatar. Minorities have no rights under Sharia law. If they can not freely express their religion in public, then there is no freedom or equality. Simple. If you feel that it is wrong for minorities to preach their religion in Sharia countries, why do muslims like yourself hypocritically go to non-sharia countries to preach Islam?

logicboy: Sharia never excels where there is equality and literacy together, have you noticed?

Do you know the worst thing about Sharia? Ask any lawyer about law/lawbooks and he/she will tell you that laws and lawbooks have to be updated. The lawyers will also tell you that some laws become obsolete. Tell me, if every law needs updating, how can Sharia law be God's law? Does God's law need updating?

How is the Koran relevant to the internet or stem cell research? How does the Koran legislate genetically modified food? Are those food halal or haram?

vedaxcool: Awwhh! the pooboy is feeling beat-down! there there, even a compound fool would have know that the pix is an analogy of atheist pathetic case, again proving my point that olodo seems a fair description of you. go play with your piggy toy you might feel better!

Analogy Fail number 1; Babies can not think rationally

Analogy Fail number 2; The babies are attached to their mother and living inside the mother. If they could think rationally, they would easily know that there is life outside

Analogy fail number 3; Atheists sy there is no evidence for God. The babies in this case already exist in the evidence for life after birth. Muslims have no proof for Allah, not one single definitve proof that we can touch, feel, see or hear.


Now that I've debunked you, can you please cary on with your insults? Lol, does the Koran teac you to insult? Is that a new jihad? Verbal jihad against infidel atheists?

LagosShia: "logicboy",
take note that in the first hadith you presented it was a father beating his daughter and not his wife.

when i wanted to talk hadith,you claimed to be a "Quranist" who accepts nothing about Islam if it is not from the Quran.you are an atheist who claimed nothing is acceptable to you if it is not from the Quran.i do not support that approach.i am only pointing out your double-standard all in an aim to attack Islam instead of continuing in the earlier approach you showed wanting to reason.

as for the hadiths you presented,i am not obliged to accept them because they are from Sunni books of hadith.nontheless i would remind you that i have already treated these hadiths in my previous response to you.i have stated that regardless whether the hadith is found in sunni books,the hadiths saying that the Prophet (sa) either endorsed or practiced the act of hitting the wife are not reliable hadiths.they are isolated reports and faulty when you study their chain of narrators.the hadiths which contradict the ones you presented,saying that the Prophet (sa) discouraged wife beating are evidently more reliable hadiths.they are to be taken more seriously and relied upon upon scholarly examination applying hadith science/methodology to know if we can accept them.

regardless of what the hadiths say,the Quranic verses are clearly enough to believe that there is nothing as wife beating in Islam.the context of verse 4:34 and also what other verses say,show that the Quran present reconciliation,mercy and settlement between husband and wife instead of division (which wife beating promotes) and divorce.even if we do accept there is wife beating in the Quran,the conditions that must be met before a man can raise his hand against his wife show clearly that the Quran rather restrains the man from beating his wife than encouraging him to.the woman must be unchaste and a case of indecency before a man can raise his hand.and even in that case,in total disregard of how angry and disappointment the man could be in such situation,the Quran says the man must first warn his wife and then separate bed before he can hit her and not in an injurious way.all that is said,if you insist the word found in verse 4:34 promotes wife beating and should be interpreted literally.other than that,we can convincingly make our case that there no wife beating in the Quran and verse 4:34 should not be interpreted literally as there are many definitions for it.

The only reason I put up such hadith was because you stared talking about hadith that doesnt support wife beating repeatedly even though I told you that I wanted to stay on the Koran only.


Now you have the nerve to tease me about being a Koranist.


Like I said before, you would deny the hadith that doesnt support you.




Verse 4;34 is clear It says you can beat your wife. I put forward 3 translations that agree with wife beating. You can live in denial because facts are on my side.

tbaba1234: Silly statement...



Not true... I think it is unfair for you to say that... He has had a variety of talks and debates,,, Many of which are original ideas .... Maybe some parts were taken from other theistic argument but he has developed many of these arguments (and taken the silly parts out) . He has built a pretty solid case for the existence of God and very few atheists have succeeded in really challenging his position from the debates, i have seen.

His humanist background gives him an edge.

How do muslims plagarize christians?? That is one of the silliest claims ever made .....

Please tell me what Muhammad knew about Jesus christ

jmoore: an atheist is quoting the bible , wonders shall never end

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vedaxcool: That picture is hilarious

Babies can't think rationally. I'm not surprised though, you have always been delusional

Christianity is no different from any tribal religion. They are both backwards

Christianity is no different from any tribal religion.

Ayomivic: Obama,is a Satan servant that the world is yet to know.

Doesnt the bible teach you not to judge? Where is your proof that Obama is a satanist? Do you think its fair to just accuse someone without any shred of evidence?

https://www.blogcdn.com/www.politicsdaily.com/media/2010/04/obama-easter-2.jpg


https://floppingaces.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/obama-church.jpg





Matthew 7
New International Version (NIV)
Judging Others

7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you"

seguun: Kai! You are a character, may Allah guide you to islam.

Allah doesnt exist.


Where is Allah for these muslims;


[img]http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/aug2011/somali-children.jpg[/img]

https://www.unmultimedia.org/radio/english/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/somali-mom-baby.jpg

Ayomivic: No books can be compared with Bible.It is only one book that teaches wisdom.

You had to ignore my comment to reply Calloti?

Why didnt you respond to this;

logicboy: The bible is outdated, contains evil advice and contains myth


Outdated;
-What relevance does the bible have to the internet? Can you give me verses concerning internet dating or videogames?
-What relevance does the bible have to evolution? Evolution debunks creationism in the bible
-What relevance does the bible have to modern medical practices? Can you give me verses concerning donation of body parts or embryology?

Evil advice;
-Bigotry against women;

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
King James Version (KJV)
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church

-Slavery;

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Myths
- Talking snake in Genesis
-Unicorn in the bible; numbers 23;22
-Virgin birth of Mary

mazaje: He isn't original, all his arguments are lifted from that of William Lane Craig. . .Why do muslims always plagiarize Christian work?. . .

Islam is a product of christianity

vedaxcool: Guy go and have some rest you know you are in no condition to be here go back to hospital

Quoting the bible? Are you sure that you're ok??


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https://www.atheistmemebase.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/132-Morality-vs.-religion.jpg

https://funny-pictures-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/religion-funny1.jpg

Gbamar: Mr logic,'FACT SHOULD BE PROVE WITH CLEAR EVIDENCE' IT CAN BE SIMPLY DEDUCEABLE THAT THIS IS NOTHING BUT FALLACY. DEDUCEABLE OBSESVATIONS (1) IF THIS PEOPLE STRONGLY HATE ISLAM AS THE PICTURE CLAIMED {A} WHY CAN'T THEY HOLD ANY BANNER,FLAG etc.DISAPPROVING ISLAM. (2)WHICH COUNTRY. TRY TO BE LOGICAL Mr{IL}LOGIC WE ARE NOT FOOLS. DON'T TELL ME YOU'RE D ONE THAT INSCRIBE THE SENTENCE.TRULY I LOVE YOUR 'INSCRIPTION'{IRONY}

The people in the picture dont hate Islam


https://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080609124848/uncyclopedia/images/5/57/Caps_Lock.jpg

Taiw: The bible has been in existence for thousands of years and surprisingly it hasnt become outdated. Many scholars not just christians still use it as a guide to success. It contains so many teachings on finances, marriage, love, wisdom, women, men, crimes, e.t.c read d book of proverbs, psalms, ecclesiastes, etc The bible is so rich that its a guide towards a perfect life. Unlike any other book you read and dump,the bible is so unique that every day you read it, you have more knowledge of the existence of life. My point is can the bible ever become obsolete? Many of what is happening now has already been written in the bible. Is this not a sign that there is an "alpha and omega" somewhere? Take it or leave it, the bible (God's words) can never pass away without being fulfilled.Because of its relevance,it has so many translation, and nothing has been added to it or removed from it and nothing of such will ever be. I'm not trying to preach here.i'm just looking at it from a logical point of view. Let me have your say

The bible is outdated, contains evil advice and contains myth


Outdated;
-What relevance does the bible have to the internet? Can you give me verses concerning internet dating or videogames?
-What relevance does the bible have to evolution? Evolution debunks creationism in the bible
-What relevance does the bible have to modern medical practices? Can you give me verses concerning donation of body parts or embryology?

Evil advice;
-Bigotry against women;

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
King James Version (KJV)
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church

-Slavery;

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)


Myths
- Talking snake in Genesis
-Unicorn in the bible; numbers 23;22
-Virgin birth of Mary

vedaxcool: Any atheist want to take try, logicboy is currently on vacation in a hospital for . . . see the above and you know what i mean

These are your kind of women that love polygamy. They are very foolish not to see the irony

https://us12.memecdn.com/Really_c_77345.jpg

vedaxcool: Any atheist want to take try, logicboy is currently on vacation in a hospital for . . . see the above and you know what i mean

I addressed this and many more in the previous comment and I debunked your points with fact but you are now claiming that I ignored you points. What point did ~I ignore?

I have debunked you and your religion

Islam/Sharia law fails in;
a) Polygamy- millions of muslim women reject it
b) Blasphemy laws- outdated and Allah is not a human being

bin gbagbo: God moulded man from the earth( .now what is the colour of earth??
adam was a blackman!

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Go back to rehab.

OmoPastor: @ logicboy
you forgot to add that
not going to tell you that your final destination is hell
not going to tell you that confusion becomes your lifestyle
not going to tell you that they are afraid to die
not going to tell you that they do not know what they are doing.
not going to tell you that they made all sorts of things that can destroy the world

i am not complaining about atheists but i think they are just deceiving themselves chasing shadows.

who are you to challenge me?

Hell doesnt exist. If I told you to describe hell, you wouldnt be able to.

You say atheists are chasing shadows but ironically, you're the one believing in an imaginary god in the sky.


Plase tell me, if you were the Nigerian ambassador to Japan, would you answer yes to the question on live TV that; "as a christian, do you believe that 64% of Japanese people who are atheist will go to hell"?

Tell me, which hell is worse, the muslim hell or the jewish hell or the christian hell? Which one? Ans- all of them are imaginary

buzugee: listen here you cabin biscuit eating heathen, i see demons. and one of them is named logicboy

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Buzugee, go to rehab

vedaxcool: I can rightly say from the above NL atheist are really low in IQ, as the above remains unanswered and desively dealing with the illogical lies of a boy who does not really know how to reason, I stand to be corrected as I see the deliberate dodging of the above refutation hall marks of the bigotry that I believe explains boy-unlogic behavior, in any sane discourse one does not simply jumble points made so as to aviod answering them. logicboy feel free to invite a more intelligent atheist to help u atleast when the going get turf the dull gets help!

With all your insults, you look like this guy with low IQ;

https://media.moronail.net/images/stories/dg_pictures/0808/333.jpg