₦airaland Forum

plaetton: My dear friends, the reall question is: If the sky should open up tomorrow with the sound of trumpets to herald the coming of Jesus, what would really happen if a non-white, say, A blackskinned man with dreadlocks, descends from the sky??

3. What would the rednecks in US bible belt do?
Ans: Most likely pull out their guns to shoot the rebelious Negro right out of the sky before he even sets foot on the ground.

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mba emeka: And you matey are the brightest bulb in a tan house. (Every sacarsm intended)

What? Does correcting a simple mistake (chruch to church) make you any smarter?

It doesnt change the fact that you're a slave to a religion

toba: Im still asking which God cos Jesus is not God doesn't tell me the God u are referring to

You call yourself a christian?

Or are you some basement dwelling troll?

You have entered my territory! Debunking time. Let's play "debunktion juction" (a real name, by the way)

toba: Firstly i think u need to go look up the meaning of trolling and a troll in the dictionary before using it hence forth. u just seems very illogical with ur response. U asked a question by typing:

logicboy: What do you think?
Toba: nothing

How can u describe that as trolling? u are just incredibly silly. This kind of logic shows ur deficiency in understanding proper use of words. U got a response for a question and u called the response evidence of trolling? smh. U are just acting silly. like i said you'll end up ridiculing urself with ur very poor logic.

why should i? FYI posting here isnt trolling. u need to ask google the meaning of trolling.

Urban dictionary;

Trolling;
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can

You were being cynical and sarcastic when you answered "nothing". Clearly, you know something about atheists and christians debating about God, judging from our history on Niaraland. For you to state "nothing" to such a question on the deabate means that you were being sarcastic and annoying when you could either ignore the thread or contribute positively.

Trolling can take many forms.

toba: You'll need to define the word 'rich' in this context cos rich is relative. A man who can afford 3 meals in a day and still provide for others can be described as being rich


depending on the kind of 'millions' u are talking about. someone with N1,000,000 can also be described as a millionaire.



SMH. That's telling u that if ur parents wealth doesn't fall within the list of the richest people, just keep shut and save urself stress young boy



u be proper mumu for asking me this kind of question. Have u asked Google for the highest earning/paid players in the world? you'll find his name in a class of rich players list. Use ur brain before asking question

1) Thierry Henry is not on the highest paid or earning footballers list;
http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-football-players/

You keep failing

2) I do not have to be on the list of richest people to be rich. I clearly said that was from a wealthy background. You brought the foolish idea of richest people list. That, my friend, is a strawman.

3) I also do not need to further define "rich". I already stated that I am rich enough not to be looking for a job. There is no need for me to satisfy you with further information. Download skype if you want to take up my challenge. I do not want to show everybody the pictures of my house and my face. I just want to see the look of your face when you realize that you have been talking to someone like me.

toba: I see but u agree u are spreading something. That thing u are spreading is ur belief, right?

which can also mean a belief in the non existence of a God. right?

Oh Mr crusader. How far do u think ur preaching atheism on Nairaland goes in getting across to pple in the villages to tell them God doesnt exist? U need to do more work. the last time i checked, at a time, 300 members were online with 1000 guests. Lets add all together plus more and say 2000 pple are on line. How many are Nigerians? even if all 2000 are Nigerians, whats the % of 2000 amongst 160Million Nigerians? U really have a long well to go and still better u wake up from slumber.

How? by telling them God doesn't exist?

1) There is no physical evidence of God. I know that there is no physical evidence for God and therefore, no reason to believe in a God. That is my position

2) Have you hear of how a meme spreads like a virus? A meme can be an idea. It takes only one infected person to spread it at a higher rate than the initial infection.

3) I only need 10% of Nigerians to be atheist. That amount alone turns a country to being secular. America and some European countries have only 10% atheists

toba: Just shut up. How does an advice amounts to silencing freedom of speech or expression? Dont u think before u post? moreover i wasnt forcing my view on u.


How have u being silenced on Nairaland?

BS BS and BS. The available facts all over the world points to a very small % of atheists in the world population, hence my comment.

1) You said I should keep mute. You didnt tell me to keep mute because of anything other than my goal for atheism
2) A small percentage is all that is needed to make a country secular and better. Yes, secularism is a prerequisite for a free and prospering country. Name one free and prospering country that is not secular. Heard of separation of church and state.
3) I have been silenced many times on nairaland. Some of my rebuttals on God's existence have been removed and some of my athiest pictures questioning God has been removed. Do you know the equivalent of that in real life? Imprisonment? Fines? Burning of atheist buildings etc

toba: dont worry. we have 160 million pple of which more than 10million pple own TV and radio. U can start from somewhere.


Why worry when u claim to come from a wealthy home and lives in a Crazy house in the UK?

Like i posited above, u are not doing too well at all.


I wouldnt know cos im not a spirit. u'll have to tell me before i know




whats the certainty that you'll succeed?

1) Rich people do not always waste money. Furthermore, I have goals, why spend money on something that will not effectively move my goals. Unlike you, I studied marketing. I have to generate a fanbase. "Diamond" customers that will accept my "propaganda" without question. After the fanbase, I can then move on the big guns like radio and TV
2) What do you mean that I am not doing well? Unlike you, I dont love-vendor muslim girlfriends to strangers

3) There is no certainty that I will succeed. That is why one should have an exit strategy or other benchmarks if the main goals fail. If I fail, I can always raise children to follow my goals or sponsor some foreign atheists to help spread the word to Nigeria.


Strategy and logic are on my side.

It has been a pleasure debunking you! Hallelujah!

mkmyers45: You are talking about limits not necessarily the possibility of non-existence..

True. True.


Can you prove that I am not a spirit texting you from the nether realm?

mkmyers45: No, it dosen't...Does pestilence and discrimination negate some form of beliefs or ethics e.g Atheism?

Look, atheists dont go around making claims that they can not support. Does their voodoo stand strong against the power of science or fact? Can they survive a gunshot to the heart?

mkmyers45: In the first post i stated the possibilities of a limitation but the main issue here is total negation...

The nuclear bomb negates any spirituality that the Voodoo man has.

mkmyers45: Are you trying to say in all confidence that black magic, extreme physic ability and what-have-not do not exist? Looking structurally at the african concept are you saying its not proof-able or it dosent exist?

Can any juju or voodoo man can survive a nuclear bomb?

Indian Jesus

https://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o22/vios999/bobicejesus.jpg

Christianity will die under its hypocrisy in the western world where information is available and considered important.

mkmyers45: The wave of supposed spirituality in Nigeria is very much and sometimes it makes one wonder if there really isn't some elements of 'it' really happening? Is it possible to explain every some of spiritual manipulation i.e magic, Juju, gypsys and et al.........Although real live juju evidence may not be readily available but does this mean there is none at all? Sometimes, when you really study spiritual claims you wonder why they don't use it to better their lives or is it just limitations?

There is no spirituality. It is the belief of people who havent seen reality for what it is.

There is no such thing like juju because the juju people themselves would be rich and not living in shacks waiting to hear other people's problems.

Have people ever wondered why all countries with a heavy amount of atheists are doing better than Nigeria? Tell me how spiritual that is!

OlowoTee: Sorry dude,

Chrisitianity and your God-notion would remain complex to you the more you want a proof for everything. It's metaphysical, and it's spiritual... Logicboy, you'd begin to comprehend when you surrender your appeal for logical backups...

In other words, I should submit my reasoning and logic to your faith?

You must be joking

toba: which God are u talking about?

You saw "Jesus is God" mentioned in the comment and you ask which God?

Are you just being a douche or just silly?

toba: there he goes again with his illogical comment. Whether u believe he exist or otherwise is non of my business. Remember, im picking on u personally for being so stupid and not cos u are an atheist. so Im less concerned about the debate on God's existence or otherwise with u on this thread.

You came here on this thread to troll. You trolled with your first comment on this thread. The evidence is there. You never troll the christian threads that follow the mainstream dogma. Please stop acting like you are innocent here. You only look pathetic. Your original comment is there for everyone to see.

toba: Can u see how stupid u are? wealthy background my foot. oh i see ur father is Dangote right? or u are related to bill gates? or Femi Otedola is ur uncle.? Is Obama ur relation? How wealthy are ur parents? cos im not sure their names were published in the 2011/2012 rich list. Just shut up. fools like u that makes the loudest noise on the internet are the ones living miserable lives in the real world. So i really dont care if u are damn broke cos that's non of my business. Its ur xter on line thats giving me concern cos if ur parent are as wealthy as u ve claimed, there money should have reflected on u if it was well spent.

1) Do you know all the rich people in Nigeria? Have you counted the millionaires in Nigeria? Epic fail
2) Are you so shallow to realise that it is the richest people but not all the richest that are on a rich list? What rich list is Theirry Henry on?
3) My character is simple. I have always honestly stated that I like to bash religious threads on Nairaland
4) You boast as well, remember how you told me and are still telling me that you're one of the big dogs on Nairaland that discusses life/business with other Nairalanders in real life?
5) We can skype and I can show you my crazy house in UK. A honest man has nothing to hide. But if I show you my house, you must promise to write 10 threads, each apologising for being a foolish troll towards logicboy.

toba: Now i know u dont have a functioning brain. WTF is this? Are an evangelical atheist? Is atheism ur gospel that u want to spread? what makes u different from the everyday muslim and christian that make attempt to spread the news about the existence of their God?

1) The difference between me and a preaching muslim/christian is that I am not spreading a religion. Atheism is just a disbelief in God.
2) I am also getting people to think and throw away foriegn religions that are more harmful than positive towards the development of our country.
3) Unlike you, I am willing to improve my country.

toba: Then i'll advice u remain mute for the rest of ur life. What does this tell u about ur belief?(atheism) Meaning no matter how u try, pple arent gonna accept it. It will only make u look stupid. Go and research more about ur founding fathers. I mean the real evangelical atheist that are sound. pple like the oxford prof Dawkins and co, spending money to make atheism grow. since u say u are from a wealthy familiy, why dont u start by making advert on Tv or radio stations that God doesnt exist. U dont have to appear if u are scared of dying in the hands of boko haram. what u cant do, ur money would do for u.

1) You advice me to remain mute. This is why Nigeria is backwards. People like you choose to ignore the importance of freedom of speech or expression. Which prospering and free country silences atheists?

2) You say that people will not accept atheism. There were people that said that black people will never have equal rights. There are people that said that we wont have a black president of USA. There are people that say that Nigeria will never progress. The critic will always liev in the shadow of progress.

3) TV and Radio stations need viewers/listeners first. I can not just start spending money on advertisement. Money has to be used efficiently. I dont live in Nigeria and so, I have to lay the groundwork first. How do you know thatI will not set up an atheist website for Nigeria first in UK and getting fans before expanding to Nigeria?

toba: 'An evangelical atheist is one who not only believes there is no god or other supreme being, but is obsessed with convincing everyone around them to become an atheist too, usually through hard-line intolerance (the kind they accuse other religions of). When cornered they usually try to put down their opponent's religion and bash them for 'blind faith', not realizing that their belief that there is no god is no more or less valid or provable than the other guy's belief that there is one. '

the above definition best describe ur mission. U know what, u are gonna fail. when u succeed, let me know



if this BS is really ur dream, i'll advice u to wake up from slumber cos ur effort will be in vain if u continue this way.


honestly i dont care one bit about ur mission, desire or goal. I wanted to prove something to u for having the guts to attack me first. Ride on boy. ride o

Lol.....no one remembers a critic. Thanks for telling me that I will fail. That is faith speaking. There is no certainty that I will fail or succeed but, I will try to succeed.

OlowoTee: Yes, you're right. I might not have seen him, but, I've felt Him. I've seen His glory for real. It's an encounter that I would never forget. Just, the way you have so many questions begging for answers. I had mine...but, the difference was that I didn't throw them out to people, nor try to ridicule Him-God. I went a-thirst for Him and I questioned Him, yes, on my knees. It trully got to a point that i said If truly He is God, then, He should reveal Himself to me... It didn't happen immediately, but I tell you... He did show up...with His power. I wish i could explain it further...howbeit, the fact remains that there's a God.

Sorry, but I see no logical reply to my statements and questions on God. Go and research on the issues and raised and you will realise the problem in believing that Jesus is God.

tbaba1234: God of the gaps is an outdated cliche! We can provide a rational basis for the existence of a creator...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri3KOeDPAQ0

There is a reason why Tbaba did not try to debunk the "god of the gaps". The reason is that he cant and that is why he refers to the fraud that is Hamza tzortis. Hamza himself did not debunk the "god of the gaps" argument. He only made the crowd laugh and spilled some good quotes from the Koran.

We know from big bang that there was a cause to the universe. What we dont know is exactly what could have caused the cause. Hamza says that it is God that caysed the cause from rational deductions from descriptions in the Koran. What Hamza does brilliantly is to spin the lie that the Koran talks about the big bang while making the crowd laugh. I can re-interpret quotes from the bible to say that God caused the universe to exist as well. Also, the Koran mentions God in many instances that are contradictory to scientific theories. The Koran claims that man was created in paradise/janna (Koran 2;36).

The "god of the gap" argument is not a cliche.


1) People claimed that disease were from or cured by god. God of the gaps; until germ theory proved them wrong!

2) People claimed that rain came from the heavens or were showers from God. God of the gaps; until evaporation and water cycle proved them wrong.

3) Hamza claims that God caused the big bang without any physical evidence. How will this turn out any different from the outcomes of number one and two?

Enigma: The bolded are inaccuracies ---- even illogical.

WTF? Why would you say that? Pastor AIO is right. Separation of church and state. Read about it

mba emeka: Fidel Castro is also a sworn catholic...the mexican mafia credited for decapitating and decimating humans recently are from a majority catholic community...Italy is a catholic dominated country. What is your point about catholicism self that we dont know?

THE MAN SIMPLY STATED "ROR IS TAKING OVER ROMANIA". . . period.

It seems that the Op and his cohorts are not very bright. They are slaves to a chruch/religion that needs their ignorance to survive.

OlowoTee: The atheist got no power... Only Jesus got the power to save, to deliver, to set free. If in your former religion, you couldn't find God, have you asked Him to reveal Himself to you? I wouldn't deny it that there are certain things/circumstances that want to make believe that there is no God. Yeah, His ways are unsearchable...unfathomable! He wouldn't show up to you if you don't want Him to, safe in some peculiar situation as it happened to Saul/Paul.

Forget the ida of challenging this God, forget your mortal ability. Before you were, He has being..and, when you are gone from the surface of the earth, He will continue to be GOD..

Nonsense. You have never seen God, felt God or smelled God. You only believe in God because you were told by others that God exists. There is no physical proof of God . Not one.

You talk about Jesus and so I assume that you're a christian. I am telling you that God is made up by men. If God is so omnipotent, why is it that throughout the bible, he never leaves Middle east/North Africa? He never went to Americas, Oceania, West Africa etc. The reason for this is because, you God was made of by Jewish people at a time that they had never discovered these places exist with people there.

Also, why is it that all God's prophets are Jews or at least, could be traced to Jews? Were Jews the only people (Abraham, Moses, Jesus)? Is God not racist or is it just that Jews made him up like Arabs made up Allah?

Doesnt evolution debunk Genesis in the bible? Man was not created, he evolved from a different life form

toba: Just shut up. U cant even interpret what u read too bad. I'll call on my cousin who's just 4 years old to help u out. keep fooling yourself on the internet in an attempt to score cheap points on attacking 'Christians' on a faceless forum. It only shows u live a pathetic life outside of Nairaland with more than 60% of ur posts centred on Religion/beliefs.


See how big ur head is. typical of a Godless soul running his mouth all over the forum.




I just feel so sorry for. U berra get something reasonable to do than rejoicing on Nairaland for being an atheist.

Honestly how does this debate add anything to ur life? Ok, you'll laugh that an atheist had a debate with Christians and so what?

Lololololol. You seem butthurt.

It is not my fault that you're one of those poor Nigerians that can not mentally afford to believe that there is no God. I have stated before that I can afford to spend lots of time on Nairaland because I come from a wealthy background and I am not looking for money or a job.


I am also on a mission here because I want to make atheism grow in Nigeria. I can not just run to Nigeria and start shouting "atheism is good". If I tried that, I would be dead. Christians are as dangerous as boko haram when their religion is being debunked. I have almost been stabbed by a friend and a blood relative just because they couldnt handle debate with an atheist. If I can convert some few people here on nairaland where there is no stabbing because we're on the internet, it would have a knock on effect because these people will also try to tell others about atheism. My mission or dream is going to be a hard one but nohing good ever comes easy.


So, unlike you, I have a goal for being here on Nairaland. You are just angry because my goal here is detrimental to your religion. If you have a great life outside Nairaland, I suggest you ignore me and enjoy your life. Otherwise, you just look pathetic.

toba: young man u are the pathetic one here. Apart from that, there is one more. Go figure it out

lol....you're looking even more pathetic!

toba: u better Shut The 4k up. Im trying to save u from embarrassment, yet u want to expose ur folly. u are trying to ridicule, but u'll end up ridiculing urself.

just go and do what i told u to do.

smile

Save me from what embarrassment? Your trolling is pathetic!!

[img]http://www.lady-natalya.info/images/0-10_troll_harder.png[/img]

I dont think so.

This is a country with only 5% protestants.

[img]http://thebentangle.files./2009/10/war-against-christianity.png?w=450&h=304[/img]

Evil Brain: I lolled at one of the youtube comments:
"Q: Why does the priest bother to board up the windows after praying for safety from the storm?
A: Because he's smart enough not to believe the bullshît he tells his congregation. He knows that prayer doesn't work so he makes other arrangements."

Haha....very true!!

Bélla3: God of heaven! Even muslims believe in 'the Antichrist' and 'antichrist' so wtf? All people that do nt want the gospel to reach the world re antichrists! Bt 'the Antichrist' is yet to come and wil probably come as a 'church goer'

Does the muslim agreement on the existence of the antichrist make it any more real?


This is all religious crap.

Joagbaje: There is difference between "An Antichrist" and "The Antichrist" an Antichrist is anyone who oppose Christ . There are many Antichrists including the OP probably.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

But The Antichrist refers to particular individual who will rule the one world government during the end time tribulation .

Whether it's "the antichrist" or "an antichrist", it is all a load of rubbish!

You know that you are proving my point when you call me an antichrist! Shows that christians just insult non-believers.

toba: something is wrong with items 3 and 4. correct urself before i help u out seems u just read about the phrase 'Epic fail'

By the way, it is nice of you to avoid the topic of the thread. Are you really that full of bullShi**?

Ptolomeus: Exactly!
There are many antichrists easily recognizable.
If you attend a church, the pastor and will observe in the presence of one of them.
Antichrist disguised as a shepherd.

Gracias amigos

5solas: You don't get it.There is the anti-christ and they are anti-christs. The anti-christ is yet to be revealed, while we have many anti-christs who we can recognise, by their works.

What a load of rubbish. For hpow many years have you guys been claiming to know the anti-christ?

toba: something is wrong with items 3 and 4. correct urself before i help u out seems u just read about the phrase 'Epic fail'

You are getting hyped because I did not remove an "s" from number 4? You're pathetic

toba: Really?

I always knew that u cant write/type in English coherently

Huh? .....and what was incoherent about my comment that you quoted? Epic fail