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Miremoses1:
lets wait and see. Btw papa p still wants to bring in Neymar before the transfer window closes, that is if UEFA finds PSG guilty for breaching Financial Fair Play regulations.

Perez is in a very comfortable position. Nothing is remotely threatening his Presidency from the politics side of things. Then even if we still had CR7 and the squad was beefed up, a UCL trophy is not assured and Barca could theoretically still top us by three or less points in the league as has often been the case in recent years; and we don't really need a special squad to win the CdR.

So from where they sit, crisis is only when we don't make the UCL SF, not finish in the top 2 for the second time, and not win the CdR this season. And even with the loss of CR7 and our relatively shallow squad; the possibility of all 3 happening this season is slim.

All of this is compounded by the fact that a section of the fan base don't want to tackle the board.

And that's the conundrum. We'd need to have a sh*t season first before this board starts seeing the obvious. Because all it takes for this behavior to continue next summer is for us to win a CdR, or finish in the top 2, or have a UCL SF. Only one is enough.

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hopefulLandlord:
Anyone who reads that post directed at Miremoses would know its playful banter. its pretty obvious that it doesn't even need all these sermon of yours and I said it because he used "10/10". Don't be so stuck up. even he saw the humour

Yes, the post about favouring Spanish players was a sarcastic dig at people who would've brought it up had we lost or drew the match

That's half my issue with you. If we had lost or drew the match, some section of the fanbase would have shone a spotlight on his team selection, and rightly so. For many before the game, the experiment was unnecessary knowing that we just got humiliated by our bitter city rivals, and we needed an unequivocally strong start to the league in light of our competition and how last season started.

Lope's Spanish favoritism isn't an urban myth. It's factual. So he's lucky it went well in the end. If it didn't, he'd have been taken to the chopping block and for good reason. And this is not exclusive to Lope. Many here last season decried Zidane's stubbornness, and if he hadn't won the UCL; he prolly would have been sacked. And that's a coach that gave us a B2B UCL and double in decades.

Everyone knows Lope isn't getting any favors from the board's insistence on not strengthening the squad depth; but that doesn't mean he gets free rein to pursue a Spanish bias. And a million sarcastic digs from you wouldn't change that. Better get used to it; like we've gotten accustomed to the fact that you're anti-CR7.

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Miremoses1:
Ya we won, against a Getafe side that looked less concerned about moving forward.

Also no one is talking about getting a new striker,we only managed to get 3 shots on target in the whole 90mins. We need a striker, we can't keep our hopes on benzema, we still have a long way to go.

I think everyone regardless of whatever section of the fanbase they're in knows we need a striker. hopefulLandlord has said so times with number, and he's our resident chief fringe fan. Only Perez and Sanchez would be surprised about that stat you quoted.

The rest of us are like what are you expecting.

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hopefulLandlord:
You're funny, where did I call Miremoses a hater?
I gave a playful banter at his prediction having had the benefit of hindsight and even he saw the humour in it judging by his reply.

Why so serious?

I don't remember such a playful banter after the UCL final when many here wanted to crucify Zizzou for not starting Bale, only for it to turn out fine in the end. Eventually, some of us were like "eesh, that was a close one."

It's a prediction, what's the use of the banter (playful or otherwise). Are we really getting to a point where folks can't make predictions without expecting a knock (cheeky or not) afterwards?

You also did the "Spanish" thing. That's a playful banter too?

The way you guys will be tiptoeing. And when someone turns on the light, you'd go like "no I wasn't heading to the kitchen, I was just heading to the bathroom which is in the opposite direction..."



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hopefulLandlord:
Honestly I know we definitely can't do worse in league than we did last season. the only stat I feel we would be worse this season than last season is goal scored

Interestingly, we may not do worse in the goal scoring department in the league. Last season was one of our worse yet in terms of goal scoring. CR7 only scored 26 goals in La Liga as he played fewer games than usual and had a bad run for some time. As long as Bale stays fit, Benzema retains his sharpness, and the others pitch in (Asensio and co.), scoring goals shouldn't be our problem against Spanish opposition. We now play free-flowing possession football which has been Barca's secret in winning the league. You keep the ball, opposition get fewer chances.

I have high hopes for Lope and the team, just wish the board will give him the additional striker (sic squad depth) he desperately needs. We don't need CR7 to win 70+% of our matches.

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Miremoses1:
deep down I know you wouldn't believe we could keep a clean sheet.

You'd first ask if he watched the match. A team that took their chances would have scored. Same way we should have had more goals.

This is what they'd do throughout this season. Every unfavorable informed prediction must be from a hater. Ignore when you can.

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Miremoses1:
Meanwhile andre silva scored a hattrick for Sevilla, this is someone who flopped in Milan last season, it's ok.

Italian football is more compact than Spanish football. Himself and Costa will light up this season especially against the bottom half.

-Lord

We should let the man experiment with his squad. He's new and I said it here that we should win Getafe even if we throw in our B team. These are the only kind of games he'd get to try out different formations and personnels to see what work for him.

I'm really hoping Vinicius gets a start in one of the less important games.

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hopefulLandlord:
I'm done now, that's my last reply on this issue and I'm not the type that brags but anyone who reads both of our argument and leave biases aside wouldn't agree with him

I'm very optimistic too or at least a lot more optimistic than "The sky is falling" preachers

You mean anyone that ignores statistics. Since that's unimportant to you. I'd be so waiting for the day you'd have to quote stats to back up a point.

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hopefulLandlord:
This is my last reply on this because I've seen you're just pretending now to stick to your guns

At no point in any of this discussion did I bring stat into this, stat is something YOU brought up and are now trying to put it in my mouth

IF Ramos was regarded to be deputy for Rolando at PKs ahead of Bale and Benz then that's evidence he's better at it than them or the coaches who watched them train PKs week in week out came to that conclusion. You're free to pretend that doesn't mean anything in order of bring some googled stat without context but that's your prerogative

IF Neymar is taking PKs ahead of Cavani then he's better at it than him! The coach who watched them train week in week out made that conclusion and I would trust his decision more than someone who has never watched them practice PKs but uses Google to check stats and pull conclusion from there.


"Then you make another uncorroborated claim that Ramos has been the better PK taker than Bale and Benzema without the others improving for the last 3 years. Where's your proof for that, nothing?"

Honestly you just put words in people's mouth when you have no point and are shooting blanks

for the records, I never made the above claim he's saying I made

YOU asked why Di Maria was deputy here but fell below the pecking order at PSG while Ramos that he was ahead of when he was still here is now taking PKs. I replied that it could be that Ramos improved his PK taking abilities to the point of being regarded as better and that people improve different aspects of their game so a player can train and dislodge others who were ahead of them in certain duties. I even mentioned Messi improving FKs and PKs then dislodging Xavi from the number one spots

Your dishonest self is now strawmanning me by saying I'm making a claim?



Have a good one

You are just making a very crude, unsubstantiated assumption. Your rule does not hold up to scrutiny.

Ramos deputizing for Ronaldo is not proof or evidence that he is better than Bale and Benzema at taking penalties. That's simply your theory. It could very well be something else. Same way Aguero deputizing Messi in Argentina is not proof or evidence that Messi is better than Aguero at taking penalties.

Stop making stuff up. This is very simple.

You don't want to talk about statistics but you have been the one trumpeting that the rule is based on being the best PK taker on the team. If that's the case, why is there no statistics that Ramos is the best PK taker on the team. Do you think this is a beer parlor.

Talismen and scorers take penalties. That's the tradition. Your rule doesn't exist. I've debunked it with statistical evidence that an orangutan can understand. The exceptions to this tradition are outliers.

If Messi can be be the primary PK taker when Aguero a better PK taker is on the team, and likewise with Neymar at PSG; then there is no conceivable reason why Bale should not be the primary PK taker in Madrid over Ramos. And I can back that inference up with statistical evidence.

It is not a surprise that you'd ignore evidence. Making stuff up is your forte!

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hopefulLandlord:
exactly! I have my reservations with this coach too but If one must complain at least let the complain be sensible. this complain about PKs can only come from a hater to be frank cuz the explanation is very obvious and easy to understand for anyone that's watched football for years

Honestly these madridistas can't wait for this coach to fail, they're not even giving him any chance at all

Which Madridistas? That's how you go about making funny accusations, then when you're called out, it'd be as though it's a gang-up.

Because I've said it multiple times here that whatever results we get this season I'd give Lope a pass, because he's being set up by the board.

Every criticism for anyone at the club must be from a hater. But when we applaud certain things done right, there's radio silence.

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hopefulLandlord:
Poo Poo fallacy
Don't just rubbish it, address it!
If he's taking it then he's the better PK taker, its that simple and I'd trust the coaches that select those players having watched them practice than a Nigerian sitting in the comfort of his own homeeven if this is true, who's talking statistics? You're just dragging this discussion anywhere you will feel comfortable and failing at it

If Benz and Bale improved but Ramos is still better than them at it then Ramos would still be taking it. Was Ramos staying still even if they improved?

Honestly I feel you're just dishonestly trying hard not to understand

Stats border on irrelevancy in this discussion

Ramos was deputy ahead of Bale and Benz, that showed he was better than them at PKs or the coach who watched them train everyday thinks so. now he's number one that the main taker last season has left. if that's not evidence that he's better than them at it then nothing can possibly be evidence enough for you and that shows your dogmatism and inability to see credible evidence when it doesn't fit your narrative of Ramos being catered to or Spanish players being favoured

Oga, I'm tired of this argument. You're right, Bale and Benz should be taking PKs ahead of Ramos just because they're strikers

Let's discuss something else

What are you tired of.

The time it'd take you to type a diatribe, you'd have found a statistical proof that Ramos is better at penalties than Bale and Benzema. You have no such evidence and you are simply assuming that Ramos deputized for Ronaldo simply because he was better at it than Bale and Benzema.

Then I provide proof that Aguero is statistically better at penalties than Messi, yet Messi is the primary PK taker at Argentina. https://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2018/6/16/17470622/lionel-messi-penalty-stats-argentina-vs-iceland

Also Neymar was made the primary PK taker at PSG without the reason being that he was the best PK taker on the team.

You just pulled that rule out of your a$$, and you can't back it up with facts and stats.

Then you make another uncorroborated claim that Ramos has been the better PK taker than Bale and Benzema without the others improving for the last 3 years. Where's your proof for that, nothing?

You have this undeniable urge to drop unsubstantiated statements that you have no stats or evidence for, and you expect others to swallow it without questioning it.

Why is it that Messi and Neymar can be made the primary PK takers in their teams respectively when they're not statistically the best PK takers, but Bale can't here, even though he is our talisman, when there is no statistical proof that Ramos is better at penalties than Bale?

Answer!

Then you go on to say Neymar wouldn't be given the primary PK role if he comes when that is exactly what he got at PSG despite Cavani being just as good. You think Flo will wait for 3+ years and pay 200m+ for Neymar and would not give him the primary PK role because of one defender. And you think you're normal!

You've been arguing BS since the start. Always talking nonsense when it comes to giving players their due.

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hopefulLandlord:
The evidence is his being deputy PK taker when Ronaldo was here ahead of Bale and Benz

Feel free to pretend this is not evidence though

He was not deputy when Ronaldo was here, Ramos was deputy and what made Ramos deputy to Ronaldo ahead of Benz and Bale made him main taker ahead of those 2 now that Ronaldo has left

This is very simple and I fail to see the need for this argument other than trying to complain unnecessarily
I fail to see the relevance of bringing this.
Messi couldn't beat out Xavi for PKs and Free kicks but trained at those, became better at it than Xavi and took over those duties ahead of Xavi.

it might shock you to know Players improve different aspects of their game as their career progresses just like Ronaldo's positioning and ability to lose his marker late in his Madrid stint was leaps and bounds better than his positioning and ability to lose his marker during his Man united and earlier in his Madrid stint

Oga that is not an evidence. Give a stat. Stop typing trash!

Neymar is the primary PK taker in PSG and it's not because he's better at PKs than Cavani. Messi is the primary PK taker in Argentina and he is not statistically the best PK taker on the team. Aguero is.

You've just been typing loads of BS since. So for 3 years+ Ramos has been better at PKs than Bale and Benzema. And Bale never improved.

Coming up with nonsensical rules you just pulled out of your a$$ to defend a position you can't even back with facts. Give a stat, you're giving me excuses.

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hopefulLandlord:
Feel free to call me anything you want

Outlier means it's different from what is perceived as the norm.

Everton played last season with Rooney as their designated PK taker BECAUSE he was better than Baines (who was their PK taker before they signed Rooney) at it. Now that's Rooney's left Baines takes over
the duties again

What makes them outlier is that their defender is their best PK taker. if Ramos happens to be the best taker in Madrid then Madrid joins the outlier. being an outlier isn't illegal, is it?

The best taker is what matters, not the position the taker plays!!!

The standard is for the best taker to take it. their position is secondary and irrelevant. that its usually strikers simply means strikers are usually the best PK takers in teams NOT that strikers have to be the one taking it even if they're not as good as a defender in the same team

You're yet to show why Ramos isn't better than it than those two. the onus is not on me to show why those are worse. only to show why Ramos is better than them and the past 3 season of Ramos being the backup PK taker to Ronaldo lends credibility to me while yours is based on speculation and the assumption that you know better than Lope and the erroneous conjecture that strikers should be taking the duties.

Bale took PKs in Wales BECAUSE he was the best PK taker in wales

Bale took PKs in Tottenham BECAUSE he was the best PK taker in Tottenham

Benzema took PKs when he's the best PK taker on the pitch OR he's given in a game that we have an unassailable lead to boost his confidence

Ramos takes PK for La Roja BECAUSE he's the best PK taker in La Roja, they had strikers and midfielders in La Roja but he still takes them

Ramos was deputy PK taker last season BECAUSE he was the second best PK taker in the team

Ramos is the main PK taker this season BECAUSE he's the best PK taker in the team


Its very simple

Can you bring any evidence to back up that statement that Ramos is the best PK taker in the team? That is the question I asked that you're not willing to answer.

Provide the evidence or sh*t your trap about this best PK taker nonsense.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Bale is so poor at PK's that he should statistically not be the main PK taker now that CR7 isn't the primary taker anymore. If you have any such evidence that proves otherwise, show it.

As recently as 2013, Angel Di Maria was our second PK taker, after Kaka left. Same Di Maria isn't in the top 3 in PSG. But you expect us to accept that Ramos who couldn't beat out Di Maria would beat out Neymar who walked into PSG and took the spot as a superstar.

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hopefulLandlord:
If we Buy Neymar today and Ramos still shows the coach I'm training that he's better than him at it then Ramos should take it!

There's a reason Ramos was second fiddle to Ronaldo at PKs not Bale or Benzema

Maybe when you understand why, you'd then understand why he's number one now that Ronaldo has left

Honestly this is not even worth arguing over and you guys are just looking for any reason to complain even reasons with clear explanations like this PK thing

That makes for a good laugh. Ramos will relegate Neymar as the primary PK taker.

-Lord

hopefulLandlord:
I gave example of Sao Paulo in which a goalkeeper was their taker, you brushed it away because its not in Europe. I gave you Everton example you are now moving the goalposts


Standard for selecting PK takers is how good they are at PKs. that most usually fall to strikers doesn't make it the rule, it simply means strikers are usually the best PK takers in their various teams but if a defender is the best at it then he should take it in high stakes game
The third goal had not happened when he took the PK, learn to read, you might like it
No! You're bringing irrelevant points here. Its in any player's repertoire to be able to take penalties. of he's not a good as the attackers and midfielders then he shouldn't. All 11 players on the field should be able to take penalty kicks and whoever is regarded as the vest among them should take it when on the field

You're trying too hard to pin me but you're failing

I said he was given the PK because

1. His confidence was low

2. We had a healthy lead in that game

If Ronaldo were in that supercup match and Benz is low on confidence then Ronaldo would've taken it

Please stop strawmanning me, its highly dishonest

The coach most likely thinks he's the best. forgive me for trusting a coach that's watched them train PKs day in day out over a Nigerian who's probably never been to Valdebebas or Cuidad let alone witness a real Madrid live training

The tradition is that the best PK taker takes it!
I agree its 50-50 by default but the odds increase with how good the player is at it so its better to go with the best taker to give you better odds. Just like a match is 50-50 but having a better team than the opponent makes the odds increase in one side

and so?
if Benz and Bale are interested in scoring then let them score open play goals or show the coach they're better than Ramos at taking PKs

Here you go again, making conclusion that Ramos is being favoured. Like I said, there's no winning for this coach even some Nigerian madridistas apparently know better than him

Why are you so daft? Is this really so hard to understand? Everton is an OUTLIER.

Look up the meaning of outlier. Everton doing it does not mean it is the standard. The standard is that strikers and star players take the penalties. You have yet to provide any proof that Benzema and Bale are so statistically bad at taking penalties that Ramos has to take it.

If you have any such evidence provide it.

Bale takes the PKs at Wales. He took the PKs at Tottenham. Whenever Benzema is called to take the PK, he often dispatches them brilliantly. So if by your account all 11 players should be able to, and the top 2 goal scorers are able to take PK's brilliantly; then why on God's green earth do you insist Ramos should take it.

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usbcable:
Let us drop the Ramos issue before we are termed Ramos haters oooo.

Their was a reason why strikers or the super star are always made the primary PK taker in top teams.

Abeg,

What more do you know about Marcelo's back up other than his name?

Do we have an actual backup for Marcelo? I was of the opinion Nacho will fill in if he gets injured.

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Eyedea:
Ramos has always been our second choice PK taker and most times he scores with it. I was surprised some of you guys were shocked he was taking it. This shouldn't be an issue.

Circumstances have changed.

Make Bale the primary PK taker and make Ramos second and no one would care.

This is not the captaincy where it always has to follow a seniority hierarchy.

Or are we going to buy Neymar today and insist Ramos will still be the choice PK taker? If no, then why is it now a taboo for Bale or Benzema to be the choice PK taker? Bale has always been the heir apparent to CR7's crown, then he gets the crown and now we're nitpicking the benefits of the crown.

If Ramos can play second-fiddle to CR7 in the PK hierarchy, he can play second-fiddle to Bale in the PK hierarchy. Suggesting otherwise is deeply unfair to Bale or Benzema.

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hopefulLandlord:
Strikers missing sitters is not a blunder, right?

Except that strikers traditionally are the primary penalty takers and defenders aren't.

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hopefulLandlord:
Nope, I simply provided an European team which defenders take PK but feel free to move the goalposts Seems you'd be okay with Casimiro taking PKs then So? why can't ours be one of the outliers or is it no longer legal?

If each of those defenders show they're better than those strikers then they should take it! especially high stake penalties!!

You're desperately trying hard to make a sensible argument sound absurd

Benzema was given penalty because his confidence in front if goal was low and we had a healthy lead. if it were against atletico at 1-1 Ronaldo would never have given him the PK!!

That you drew penalty doesn't mean you should take it, If that's how you want it then go watch NBA where the fouled player has to take the free throws, this is football. the best taker takes it be it goalkeeper, defender, midfielder or striker especially high stakes one

I wonder why you're bringing irrelevant examples into this without context
Ramos being responsible for "1" goal (feel free to multiply it to make a point) at that point doesn't diminish his PK abilities. If Ronaldo were still here and missing sitters in that game then we have PK he would still be the one to take it!

You tell me if you are

and I've seen Ronaldo score worse penalties and even miss many, your point is?

One European team. It seems you're unwell!

I guess Everton is now representative of the European standard? Can you actually look up the meaning of standard and outlier in a dictionary?

Ramos made a mistake in the first and third goals. It's not my fault if you're watching the HDMI wire. Ramos is a defender, it is not universally part of a defender's repertoire to take penalties. And in a match where the strikers are just as good at taking penalties and actually need the penalties to up their goal tally; there is absolutely no reason under the sun for a defender to take the penalty. Especially when said defender made two costly errors in the same match.

You say Benzema was given the PK because his confidence in front of goal was low. Then in the same breath you don't care about his confidence level because you want a defender to be the primary PK taker. Be f*cking consistent!

You're making it seem like Ramos is the best PK taker on the team. He isn't. And even if he were, PK's are 50:50 chances, and it's universally accepted that goal scorers/talismen take them. And it is doubly important we adhere to that tradition when the goal scorer and talisman on the team have immense pressure on them to step up and add more goals. Approximately 10-15% of CR7's goals last season were penalties.

I have a huge problem with depleting Bale or Benzema's goal tally by more than 15% (as they aren't 50 goals per season scorers) because we want to satisfy a defender... If he wants to score, he should be at the end of corner kicks. Leave the penalties for those with the task of scoring goals.

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usbcable:
The only fault I have for Lope is bringing on Ceballos for Casemiro. Thus leaving the defence open to ATM attacks.
Llorente is still Spanish so blaming him for bringing on Spanish players is just to mock him for his undying love for Spanish gems

I have forgotten who said he brought 7 Spanish players to Porto in his term there. Pls can anyone confirm this too. That is the reason for him being accused of sentimentally selective of Spanish players I guess.

I'm the one who made the statement and provided a link to back it up. I doubt he'd ever be able to shake off that conception about him.

Although even if he brings in Thiago and Aspas, I wouldn't cry foul; because the team needs them more than I care about their nationality.

The problem now is that it appears Perez is giving him the Benitez treatment. He's publicly said he wants a replacement for Kovacic, body no shake Flo. I don't even think he needs to publicly state he needs a striker as well, even a prehistoric primate knows we need one. What Flo is waiting for I don't know. And he can't complain. I just dey pity the guy. He left the Spanish NT for this, he deserves better.

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hopefulLandlord:
Because that he committed blunders doesn't suddenly diminish his PK taking abilities. If Ronaldo misses 5 sitters in a match and his team gets given PK he would still be the one to take it (see: league match against malaga 2014 which he missed 5 sitters, got pk then scored and apologised to the fans for his earlier misses)

Great and Ronaldo is a defender too right?

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hopefulLandlord:
Those analysts are analysts for a reason. If they have Lope's knowledge they wouldn't be analysts. analysts are just barely more knowledgeable than the average fans only they get to spill their opinion to many others

and what has Europe got to do with anything? are they playing handball or Golf at Sao Paulo FC? what about Everton that Leighton Baines is their penalty taker? or is Everton an African club or Baines a striker? Was Liverpool an Asian club when Xabi Alonso was their designated PK taker the season they won UCL or was Xabi a striker

I never called Lope infallible, I said he knows better than you and that's a fact. He trains with these players, watch them take PKs in training and chose to let Ramos take the high stake PK which he dispatched. You have never been to Ciudad or even Valdebebas let alone watch them train PKs but you think you know better about real Madrid's best PK taker? Professor Charles Xavier who also knows Benzema and Bale are too timid to complain

Navas might as well take the PKs, I don't care if he's the one taking it or even Odriozola. I care more if the ball end up in the back of the opponent's posts and that's how coaches too think unless the game is far gone so they can get sentimental like Mourinho screaming for Chelsea players to let Kezman take PK, Ronaldo handling Benzema PK to score and get confidence, Messi passing to Suarez, Henry passing to Pires etc. When the PK is an important one sentiments are thrown out and rightly so

If Bale and Benz are looking for confidence then let them wait till an unimportant PK comes up or if they think they're better than Ramos at PKs then let them show it in training or complain to the coach and/or Perez themselves. Absence any of these, anyone who's hating the coach under the guise of feeling bad for our strikers who "need confidence" should get their coaching badges and unseat Lope

You're now comparing us to Everton? And Alonso is now a defender? All of these are outliers. Are you familiar with that concept?

So what Thiago should take the penalty instead of Neymar or Cavani in PSG. Kompany instead of Aguero. Hummels instead of Lewandowski, Ribery, or Robben? If Messi isn't on the pitch, Pique should take it?

Do you even read what you type? Benzema had 11 goals in total last season. CR7 even had to give him a PK to score at some point. Now he gets a good thing going for him and should have had a double considering he even helped draw the penalty foul and a defender gets to take a penalty while he is on the pitch. Let's not talk about Bale who was our star player on the pitch and should have had a goal after such a performance. We just lost a 50-goal player and we're expecting these attackers to pitch in with more goals. Penalties is their bread and butter, and you are going to give our penalties to a defender. Same defender whose errors were partly responsible for 2 goals.

Seriously, are you feeling okay?

Then you talk about him scoring the penalty. I've seen Benzema score better penalties.

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Miremoses1:
Julen Lopetegui confirms Real Madrid will have 3 goalkeepers this season, so that means two goalies will leave.

Thank you J Lo.

I no 1 hear say na loan o especially on top that Casilla matter.

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hopefulLandlord:
You're free to call me anything you want bro
Good to know you don't care how good they are at PKs, you care more who's taking them. I'm sure the Sao Paulo strikers fume whenever they see Rogerio Ceni (a goalkeeper) coming from his own eighteen to score penalties whenever they're awarded one. I'm sure the Sao Paulo fans too fumed for close to 2 decades wondering why he's stepping up to score penalties when there are "talistman" strikers in the team and some players who needed "confidence"

If Lope doesn't do exactly as you want then there's a problem. makes me wonder why you're not the one in the dugout. You my good sir are a special snowflake, aren't you?
I'm sure you're in their head to have known that.


The way people talk sometimes makes me wonder why we hired Lope instead of them with all the tactical knowhow they display here

So you took an outlier from a Y-team and want to use that as justification for a practice that runs affront to European standards. Really smart of you! And what about the analysts opinion? No reply to that I see, I'm pretty sure you're smarter.

No, Ramos should not take it. Navas should come and take it as well.

Shebi Lope smartly placed Ceballos as a replacement for the injured Casemiro and we conceded 3 goals ba. That's the special step to take, since him being in the dugout means he is an infallible AI.

And it's impressive that you can talk about being a special snowflake with a straight face since you're oblivious to the irony. Who was it that came on this thread and started "pre-emptively" attacking CR7 fans because he was enraged by reactions at an offline viewing center? Yea, it's me right.

Continue disgracing yourself. It's in you!

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diadem10:
See wailing. Lol.

Personally, I think Lope's love for Isco will be the end of him because I see no reason why Asensio was substituted while Isco was still allowed on the pitch. At least, Asensio gave Madrid a threatening look at times and had his moment irrespective of him missing a huge chance to score but Isco on the other hand was just plain useless.

I don't even know why Isco was deployed in the midfield sef 'cos he offers nothing there. If he was on the wing, at least his dribbling would have taken the focus from others but in the midfield, he's simply useless. Ceballos should have debutised for Modric, not Isco. Better still, Isco should have been subbed off earlier in the game, not Asensio.

Another was subbing on an attacking midfielder for the injured Casiemiro when it should have been either Valverde or Llorente. I think that mistake opened the floodgate for Atletico 'cos Kroos had to focus more on defending than controlling and we all know he's not great in that aspect of his game. And the worse was even subbing Kroos off for Mayoral. Lol I laughed out loud when I saw that.

In essence, Lope's love for these spanish cunts, most especially Isco will be the end of him.

According to them, all of that is in our heads. It's not real.

liveLongNprospa:
How dare you say spanish players are favoured!!!!

Bloody CR7 FAN!

/s

-Lord

hopefulLandlord:
I'm just observing the drama going on without interfering but I think I need to talk about this one

There's no winning for this coach. is there?

Ramos took PK in our 3-3 draw in copa del rey against Sevilla. I'm not sure if Bale played that game but I'm 100% sure Benz was there cuz he scored the equalising goal with a nice dribble move to get away from 2 players.

Ramos takes PK for La Roja too and I'm sure he's taken more than the Sevilla example I gave up there. that Bale and Benz you guys think should be taking it didn't show any sign of being disappointed at not taking the PK makes me wonder why you guys are the ones complaining in their stead. these guys train together and knows more about team instructions including penalty hierarchy than we do. who knows if those other players are not in the frame of mind to take the PK? (see Thiago Silva crying and asking to be put last in PK even behind Fuuking Julio Cesar). Like I keep saying. many madridistas can't wait for this coach to fail so everything that happens from now on would be used as opportunity to shiit on him so they can say "I've always said it bla bla bla" if he fails

Whether Navas (Courtois) or Casimiro or Varane or Vallejo or Odriozola becomes the designated PK taker makes no difference to me so long they score the PK and everyone who cares for the team should share this sentiment

PK was awarded, Ramos stepped up and dispatched it but you guys are still complaining. makes me wonder what would've happened if he missed. I guess if he missed it would've been the golden opportunity for "some Madridistas" to blame our sale of Ronaldo for the miss too (yes, I brought him up again) and/or say he's favouring "Spanish players" to the detriment of the team.

You're a f*cking disgrace!

Pray tell what was the reaction here when Ramos played the PK against Sevilla last season. You can scroll to the page on that day and read through the replies. I really wonder why I bother to reply you sometimes.

There's not a single analyst who looked at Ramos taking that PK and didn't go WTF! Not one. You can go do your research. I spent an hour watching post-match analyses and reading post-match reviews to see if someone had a decent explanation for that. Didn't read any. I don't care about his PK scoring rate, you don't have strikers on the team who need the goals to boost their confidence & tally, and have a defender take penalties.

It is distasteful. Especially when both strikers are excellent PK takers.

Bale is the talisman in the team, he should take the PKs. Barring that, there's Benzema. If Lope can't set his foot down on that, then there's a problem. Because we all know Bale and Benz are too meek to go at Ramos for that.

That's how Bale was taking corner kicks in the late stages of the game when he was needed in the box attacking said crosses.

-Lord

joey150:
I like Nigerians because they can pretend....

Even those collecting 15k monthly are calling 100k small money...

Even the girls they screw for 5k and the boys that pay runs girls 5k are screaming small money.

She started with 100k there is nothing to say she won't charge 500k tomorrow. She is obviously still a rookie.

Again I am not supporting her, because I couldn't care less who she screws.

But the hypocrisy here is pathetic.

Same Naija where over 60% live below 3$ a day.. are suddenly calling $300 small money.

Biko let them do what they have to do to feel good socially.

$300 is the starting rate for rookies around the world. It's per scene which is at most 2 days, typically under one day. It takes her only 2 scenes which equates to a full standard working day to make annual minimum wage. How many people make 200k in 8 working hours in Nigeria?

I'm positive she has a better work-life balance than 95% of the people criticizing her. If some ppl rly know how d country hard for ppl in the bottom 60%, them no go dey yarn okpata. Admittedly, if she opens an Indomie n Egg fast food she'd make more (although with infinitely more stress), in fact she has enough starter capital for that, but na wetin she c she do. We should be more concerned about the occupational hazards of her profession and financial security (performers like athletes have a time limit).

Anyways, it's universal. Even in the US and Eastern Europe where the industry has a more integral presence, a substantial percentage of the population still consider it "undignified."

-Lord

usbcable:
@LordAdamX
@Yonce
@LosVikingos
@hopefulLandlord
@Monerozi5590

please let us all let go of the matter.

We are all pained if not by CR but at least by the loss to ATM and especially that thug called Simeone (I dislike that dude and his assistant )

The season is here lets start looking forward towards a successful outing with whatever squad we eventually have

Let me repeat what I typed on the 4th...

"Every fr**king player and the coach gets a free pass from me this season. Benzema misses a sitter, Great. Casemiro misplaces a pass that leads to a goal, Perfect. Navas makes a howler, anyone who doesn't like it can go man the post. Kroos catwalks while the opposition is racing towards goal, let him be. Lope makes a selection that later proved costly, so be it. I did not almost have a heart attack during the Juve and Bayern UCL 2nd leg games to have the naughty board put me through that same nonsense again after they made everyone believe they'd solve the glaring issues we have this summer. If the board is immune to criticism, the players should be too."

For years now the end has justified the means. That stops this summer.

I expect the players to get back on track against Getafe tomorrow. It's a match they should win convincingly even if Lope puts only the youngsters on the pitch. What I absolutely abhor is that we are in a position where if we meet Man City, PSG, Bayern, or Juve we'd be collectively sh*tting our pants because those teams could potentially make Wednesday seem decent.

So yea, I'm hopeful that we have an amazing season, but I'm saying it now that it wouldn't be because of the st*pid decisions from management; it'd be because Lope and the boys performed miracles. They simply do not deserve to be in this position going into the new season.

That's why I said nothing about the defenders' gaffes in the Super Cup match. They were to be expected because it has historically being a part of our play. Anyone here who didn't think that was possible is out of his mind. In fact, those gaffes are bound to happen again, unless something is done about our defensive structure. There's no escaping it.

These anti-CR7, fake-Madrid-first posturers are expecting me to bury my head in the sand, I wouldn't. So going forward, whatever they want to do or say, they should keep CR7 fans out of their misery. If they're making excuses for the board, they should be able to live with the repercussions. Kapiche!

-Lord

monerozi5590:
Regretting!.. Lol. I thought you wanted to do something serious. Never knew those words of yours are just empty threat.

This is the last time i will quote you on this. Do have a lovely day ahead.

No, don't go. Look for more quotes where I clearly said I'm a fan of CR7 to take cheap shots.

Rubbish. I just dey my own jejely, you say na trouble dey hungry you.

Awon true Madridista. Where your badge?

Na CR7 fans mata go purge u...

-Lord

LosVikingos:
LordAdamX don vex completely. No vex abeg.

My observation about our club is... We all here were worried about our defence lapses through out last season.

Cristiano Ronaldo was the most important player in our attacking line scoring insane amount of goals to cover this problem. But now has left us.

Again, It is rational for any Madridista to say the GOAT absence in the super cup cost us the trophy.

Why? The highest goal scorer in the Madrid Derby is the GOAT with 21 goals... The last three players to score a hattrick against Athletico Madrid, is Cr7, Cristiano Ronaldo and the GOAT himself.

Now the GOAT is gone to Juve... Who have we bought to replace him? Nobody. With this happening, having a good season is not likely.

For me I am not optimistic about having a great season.

Oga you're not a true Madridista. No bother yourself with the long explanation.

Na Neymar leave Barca without replacement, fans start dey trend #BartoOut. And they still had Messi, with his standard 50 goals and Suarez with his standard 20+ goals.

While over here, they're more interested in doing a rerun of the Spanish Inquisition when we've lost CR7 without replacement. Let's not allow good reason get in the way of their feel-good campaign against CR7 and his fans. They've been waiting for this for years. So let it flow through them.

I never even vex. Seriously, I thought it was just the normal banter that typically fizzles out when everyone has made their point. Days later they're still going strong like they've got performance targets to meet. Shey it's CR7 fans that's their problem, they should continue.

-Lord