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FarmTech:
https://www.pulse.com.gh/news/filla/church-of-england-launches-project-to-stop-referring-to-god-as-he-him-and-our-father/4l1pmx3.amp

Even as someone who doesn't believe this makes no sense. The Bible clearly uses he, him and father to address the god. Maybe it's time they admit it's all just a fairytale.

GreatAchiever1:
Even not admitting that you are bad is a wicked act in itself because that alone equates to pride which is a sinful act.

LoLz. If you want to say you are evil just for existing that's your perogative. I am not following your belief.

Jashub:
But Jesus existed ...and that's a fact other historians and have established.

Did I say he did not?

Jashub:
I haven't fully studied Socrates so I can't say .

Exactly. So you cannot say to someone everything in the Bible written about Jesus is true because there was a person called Jesus.

Jashub:
Just because contrary things were written about him doesn't mean he did not exist . Secondly, many narratives of today are not 100% accurate...


In case you've forgotten, here's one of the blunders made by the modern day historian (aka the Media) and it will forever be recorded in the archives

The question is not about whether he existed or not, my question was do you believe everything written about him including the contradictory things.

Image123:
So if he says he doesn't just believe God exists but knows God exists, you'll give him icecream?

Maybe. If he comes visiting and says he wants ice-cream why not. LoLz.

Jashub:
I believe Socrates existed because of the historical evidences in the writings of many historians . So what's your point ...?

So do you believe every single thing written about Socrates including the contradictory things?

Jashub:
You must be delusional. Okay...so why do you believe Socrates existed?

LoLz. Getting salty already? I don't believe Socrates existed, do you?

Jashub:
It seems you're not following the thread but I'll update you on it.

Josephus and Tacitus (two non-christian historians) admitted in their annals , that a man called Jesus existed . These men were known to be neither biased or religious in their accounts of historical facts . Which makes the validity of Jesus's existed true .

So I don't see the connection here between New York and Spiderman .

Right. New York is the place Spiderman lives in in the comes. All the famous buildings and places in the RL New York are all in the Spiderman comics. If we follow your logic New York is real and is also in the comics, therefore anything the comics depict is also real. That is exactly what you said by saying "Jesus did exist , and if he did , then the bible's account must be true". That cannot be the case. That some real fact or person was included in a narrative does not automatically indicate that the narrative is also real or true.

GreatAchiever1:
It still doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to you, me and everyone else.

It doesn't apply to me or anyone I know. Maybe the people you know are evil just for existing.

Jashub:
I don't understand this rubbish you just typed. But I'll humor you and give another chance to arrange your argument in a logical manner

LoLz. New York exists does that mean the Spiderman comics are depictions of historical events?

Jashub:
Which brings me to my point : Jesus did exist , and if he did , then the bible's account must be true.

WRONG. A person called Jesus the Christ could have exist and yet the bible still be wrong about everything attributed to him except the name. You need independent corrabotion especially for the more fantastic claims like the claims of miracles or resurrection from the dead. Very often you hear the counter example New York exists therefore Spiderman exists, that is exactly what you said here.

HardMirror:
why you should not take my recent posts too serious. I just like pulling people's strings 😂😂😂. Occationally i am serious anyway. Lol.

It's ok, I enjoy our conversations.

HardMirror:
i think i enjoy trolling now than trying to reason with people here. Lol.

Honestly you have patience. Why i dont post on religion anymore

Yeah it's not that great around here most times but sometimes I am in the mood to have a conversation and sometimes you get a good interlocutor.

GreatAchiever1:
You have this all wrong and unbiblical, all man is sinful(bad, evil) by default Romans3:10; we are all bad my brother, it's in our very nature(Matthew 15:18-19;Romans1:29-32).
This is why we need Christ, this is why churches need to preach more on Christ and how we need Him in this fallen degenerate world as He is the only one that can save us from our very own bad nature. (Romans 6:17-18)

I am not a Christian so I don't believe in all that.

HardMirror:
how do you justify the life of most christians going to church knowing their are members who are suffering because of small financial issues and yet they buy cars, expensive cloths etc. Despite everything the bible teaches. Abeg only a terrible person will believe the bible and still be able to live such a selfish life.

No actually it's someone living in denial that does that. They cannot reconcile their beliefs with reality so they try to ignore reality. That doesn't make that person bad.

HardMirror:
he is mad now right? Christians are terrible people. ALL OF THEM. Dont be fooled at how they pretend to be nice. I know LordReed wont agree with me, but the religion it self makes you a bad person. If you are not wicked how can you believe you are going to heaven and happy unbelievers are going to hell? There are a lot of fundamentals of this wicked religion that proves that even the nicest christian is a terrible human.
See how so called Christians are insulting the man. They are not even concerned for what he must be passing through that led him down this path. Even if you are my mum and dad and you are a christian, i see you as a terrible human being cos that is what you are

Glad you know I don't agree. I don't think anyone is bad by default, a person is bad because they do bad things, not just because they exist or carry a label. Granted some Christians do terrible things and some even do it thinking that they are doing it for god or some unseen benefit but it's not all of them.

gohf:
is that your moral standard of having a conversation 😁

In what I wrote is my answer to you

In decent conversations you don't jumping in with a question when another question has been asked.

My question again: Can you tell me the reason you think slavery ending is not a change of moral stance.

Kalatium:
There is a distinction between facts as in the natural sciences (meaning the density of materials, the interactions of chemicals under given conditions, biological laws, and the Laws of Nature) as opposed to “facts” as in the social sciences, politics, popular vernacular and journalism, that are not so much facts, but a mixture of data and interpretations.

So also the basis of atheism is rationalism/materialism while that of religion is faith/theology.

Religious scriptures are books that contains theology in a historical context not history in a theological context.

As such trying to use the scientific method to understand religion will defeat the purpose of trying to understand religion.

Hard science and religion are "nonoverlapping magisteria" — science covers the empirical universe, while religion covers questions of moral meaning and ethical value.

Science and religion are two major cultural identities in the world today, and they use evidence far differently although their goal of a coherent understanding is remarkably similar.

It is best if each can respect the other and cooperate rather than compete.

You are a little off base. The basis of atheism is not rationalism and/or materialism. If it were then all atheists would be rationalists and/or materialists won't they but they aren't. Atheism has a rather broad basis and incorporates all manner of thought in both science and philosophy.

gohf:
Here's a question if Jesus wasn't real and never existed and was a made up fantasy, are his teachings and words so evil that they shouldn't be taught heard nor practiced.

And if people decided to follow this "fictional" character and his teachings and do good with their lives. Why hate them, or him or attempt to stop them?

Its like being disturbed and afraid of a fictional cartoon character that says do right or you will be punished. With all your logic does that make sense to you.

Can you give examples of people trying to stop you from following your "fictional" character and his teachings and doing good with your life?

gohf:
😑 u seriously don't know the person that championed the end of slavery in UK? That the person believed strongly in God 😳

Lol which yeye change of moral stand changed slavery, oya educate us, and show how it was not connected to God or the gospel in anyway

LoLz, answer the question I posed to you first then you can ask me a question in return, that's how conversations work.

gohf:
I didn't give you analogies as evidence but to help your understanding. You have evidence of what you believe in, those who believe in God have their evidences. Now does that mean you're right and they are wrong?

Morality doesn't have to change because "society" changes. What exactly is changing? Definitely not the basis of a society, except one changes what makes up a society and keeps people together.

The terms of morality might improve to address more issues to help those with weaker understanding address new challenging tasks.

Be kind to your neighbor that's morality, right. The means of kindness might change or improve but that doesn't change the kindness. You can go about it how ever way you wish, even ignore whatever evidences have been shown you all through your life.

But then to you is it moral to laugh at what another believes?

Of it isn't then you are wrong and immoral to laugh at others but if it is then you are a joke as well. 😊

Where did I say anything about anyone being right or wrong about a god existing? I said I don't have evidence for any god, simple.

Can you tell me the reason you think slavery ending is not a change of moral stance.

There is nothing immoral about laughing at people's beliefs especially when such beliefs are unreasonable.

Are you getting salty because I said jokes on you? LoLz. The same you who said: 'You amuse me', Bwahahahahaha!

Dtruthspeaker:
hahahaha we already know you checked and could not find a single case which is why you came up empty and now chewing your mouth in shame and disgrace! hahahaha NO ROAD!

Single case of what?

gohf:
I wonder what an orphan child would say...

the problem with showing you is the clause, without holiness it is impossible to see God, the pure in heart are blessed to see God. Are you qualified to see Him, that should be your thought.

You should think if a president that does exist in flesh is hard to see, how much a God.

Asking for God that interacts as your earthly parents is like asking for a president that will interact with you like a lover. Not impossible but still the odds. If you don't see the problem in your request you can as well as ask for the sun to rise in your room.

Morality doesn't change, good is good, good will not become evil. Good is good, because it is not selfish nor self serving. Now the only kind of fake morality that changes is the king that caters to those in power who's needs are ever changing and never satisfied. To those whom been pleased is what is good irrespective of how it affects others or life or the earth.

We teach our children what has been taught to us, and no matter how far you wish to dig, it all begins with God no matter what name He is called in different religions or culture.

You can live in the illusion that morality is human determined but wake up the reality that humans would burn banks because of a lit displeasure or police stations or fuel stations. Question is, where did that source of morality you claimed human possess go. Did the very originators of so called morality let go of it and becomes animals.

You amuse me, you look at men and believe they are the source of morality 😂😂😂😂

An orphan will have to have morality taught to them by some means usually another person. Not sure why you think that is something remarkable.

Again I have evidence for presidents or any other human in a job you want to use as analogy, I don't have evidence for your god. Analogies are not evidence.

Morality must change because human society changes. Even religious dictates change.

Nothing in evidence points to any god starting anything and especially not morality.

You are the one living in the illusion that your morality is determined by a god. You are certainly welcome to live in that illusion but the reality is even right before your eyes morality is being determined by the humans all around you. At some point most societies thought slavery was morally acceptable but now we no longer see it that way. It wasn't any god that instituted slavery nor was it any god that ended it.

The joke is on you who thinks a god is directing morals from anywhere.

gohf:
You said children don't know enough but we who claim to be adults know enough? Someone asks about the source of morals as if a child could develop such in isolation.

so why is it wrong to compare us to children in the face of vast knowledge of the earth, even in the face of history not to mention God Almighty and yet we who are but mere infants would claim to be the origin of morals denying the existence of a Father, a God above us and before us.

Do we know enough of this world to claim there is no God or judgement after death. Or claim we are the only existence and after death is nothing. Even with limitation knowledge the arrogance to attempt to explain away supernatural or things beyond human understanding just to deny the fact that there is a God.

Children is the best analogy to show how arrogant adults can be in the face of God.

You said the goal of a parent is to educate, does it then sound wrong to say God as a Father of men, strove to educate them?

And yes being an atheists is not an excuse to be wicked in anyway.

I have evidence parents exist, I don't have evidence that a god or gods of any kind exist. When you can show me a god that interacts on the level of parents then I will listen to what that god has to say about morality.

Besides all morality is human determined, no god came from anywhere to give it to us, we developed it. We teach it to our children. Morality will always be in development and will always change.

Image123:
Yet you've studied and tried to grasp it all your life. Tell the lies to the people at home dear, not me.

LoLz! How are you conflating my past as a Christian with my present as an atheist? Did you get hit in head and lose your memory? Bwahahahahaha!

Image123:
Quite possible if the supposed fairytale trumps everything that you believe in. Haven't you seen people jealous of fake life?

LMFAO! Well sorry to burst your bubble, your fairytale god and his morality are not something I could ever be jealous of. Bwahahahahaha!

gohf:
Watch how children behave when they know no one is going to punish them. Who teaches them to misbehave or is it naturally or is because we set rules for behaviour.

Personally I don't care what you believe, be it God, Allah, Buddah, no god, science or whatever. What does your believe make you do.

If you feel hurting people be it physically, emotionally, mentally in whatever way just because you enjoy it is a good thing then you're sick and may not even know it. Because at the end you hurt people around you and yourself. You don't need a special hell somewhere you have created it.

if you don't believe in God and you don't behave better that those who claim to, how exactly do you feel at peace with yourself.

Someone who doesn't believe in God nor has heard of God but does good and right isn't really bother if God exists or not. If God exists fine, if God doesn't exist fine, it won't stop them from being nor doing good.

Your choice of using children as an analogy is just wrong. You cannot use people who have no understanding of life as an example of the actions of moral agents ie children don't know enough yet. The goal of any parent should be to educate their child so that they can become agents of moral good. It won't matter what you believe if you are an agent of moral good. So to answer your question, being an atheist doesn't give one an excuse to be wicked.

AntiChristian:
Still amazed how he comments arrogantly in ignorance!
This knowledge is everywhere, how won't he know?

You already said it, arrogance in ignorance.

jaephoenix:
Here he is saying Satan writes Bible. The next post he'll deny it, and claim I said it.
This nigga needs a shrink ASAP

LoLz.

AntiChristian:
God didn't reveal KJV.

Jesus wasn't English!

Jesus wasn't even the name he bear while on Earth!

Your name does not remain your name when converted to "Hausa".

LoLz! He doesn't know the history of how he got the KJV he is gushing about.

jaephoenix:
Oh wait, I know your next response. Na Satan write the dictionary.
LordReed your permission
Bwahahahah

Bwahahahahahaha! This their Satan can sabi every pass the god sef. LMFAO!