Image123: That's why i called it "a presumed fallacy", you presumptively wanted to birth it. i didn't even suggest it.
The kingdom of God is majorly in the spiritual realm(He said my kingdom is not of this world). That kingdom of which most of the Bible is made up is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. And EXCEPT you are born again, you CANNOT see the Kingdom. Don't just take my words for it, those are the words of the King of the kingdom. i will be struggling explaining colours to the blind and life to the dead.
I asked a question for you to clarify I didn't presume anything. But nevermind you've admitted your lack of capacity to achieve what I need so I guess no point in beating the already dead horse.
Image123: Here we go again, lol. Spiritual facts have to do with the spiritual realm. We've been down this lane before several times, you don't believe in the spiritual realm.
You're leading on to an hasty generalization when i didn't even suggest it.
Where did I hastily generalise when I asked a question?
What is the spiritual realm, can you define it and outline how I can know it exists?
Image123: Exactly, you are always willing to argue spiritual facts. That's why i said they are relative. Don't you know that we're both in totally different circumstances? Your second paragraph is a presumed fallacy. The Bible is a spiritual book that largely deals with spiritual facts. But you want it proven in the laboratory like a chemistry textbook. It can't werk.
LoLz! I don't know what a spiritual fact is, which is why I asked you the questions. You didn't even define what a spiritual thing is, only giving what you consider examples, requiring further questions which again you don't address.
Image123: The fact that this is six doesn't mean there's nobody somewhere willing to argue that it is actually nine. Sin, being born again, spiritual death, sanctification, justification are spiritual things.
Being willing to argue a fact doesn't make it relative. Something is relative when it actually changes when people in different circumstances view it.
I recognise these are concepts which are generally intangible things so are you saying all intangible things or all concepts are spiritual things?
Image123: Fact is relative these days. My fact can be different from your fact and vice versa. Not forgetting the world of difference between spiritual and physical things.
Facts are not relative, a fact doesn't change because you or I are viewing it.
Can you define what a spiritual thing is? And are there are any facts indicating its existence?
HardMirror: Since 2014, I finally made it to 40 days without gambling. I want to advice every young man out there, PLEASE DO NOT START GAMBLING, dont let stories of people winning big tempt you. I know on this thread many people will come and tell you how they use one strategy or another to constantly win. I hope you do not learn the hard way.
I have lost over 10 million since 2014. I know a lawyer in Owerri, he is even very popular, has police escorts and all, he is a family friend. he has lost hundreds of millions to betting. This man is now a shadow of himself. i remember the month this man won about 54 million (with about 6 different tickets) he bought drinks for all of us and we celebrated at R&A hotel at Allen, but today this man don wreck o. i dont want to give details so it wont be like i am mocking him. Bet9ja has collected more than 10 times that N54million from this man. This is a man that sponsors politicians in Imo state, he is now almost a disgrace.
I have learned my own lesson too. Never again.
40 days is very special to me because, I used to bet EVERYDAY. it was like cocaine to me. The more i did not bet a day the more i was determined not to break my abstinence.
P.S. it is not God or prayers that helped me stop. I am an Atheist and my sister that i confided in that is helping me focus is also an atheist. Prayers may work for you if you fear and respect god enough, but for me I have reached a point anything betting irritates me.
gohf: "There doesn't appear to be any conscious drive in this order/stacking/reiteration nor does it appear to be intelligent, just repetitive."
You wanted to know why others believe the universe is intelligently designed. If you don't understand what I wrote, it explains why u believe the universe isn't intelligently designed.
You wrote a bunch of assertions with no coherent theme and expected me to read your mind? What you wrote doesn't even point out any sort of intelligence.
gohf: nothing begins without a force starting it, and nothing ends without a force influencing it. Whether there is order or chaos there is a cause. Now if the universe is self sufficient then it is "God" and it defines all that occurs in it, the fact that order exists means there is something that gives that order. Chaos exists where there is confusion, and where there is no need for order or a cause for it.
siofra: A man with the same principles and good looks as Thomas Sankara.
I've searched for a man like this all my life but I've been unsuccessful so far. It looks like I'll never find a man at least similar to him, with the similar ideals and way of thinking.
He doesn't necessarily have to be revolutionist but he can be a sensible social justice warrior, not the one that panders to the idiosyncrasies of the left.
In this day and age, I'm beginning to doubt a man like this exists. But if I find him, I swear not even heaven or hell will separate us.
If I never find him, I'm content to be single and old with my 48 cats or may be explore the other side of my sexuality.
Thank God he's not a Nigerian man
I hope you know you are indulging in idealism. If you haven't realised it yet you'd better because the very man you are looking for will pass you by and you won't realise. Idealism like this makes one forget that humans are not the simplified versions you read in their CVs and wiki pages, they are much more complex and varied and inevitably flawed in some way. Even you with your willingness to be single will have to live with your own flaws, hopefully you are not a narcissist who can't acknowledge their own flaws.
achorladey: They are selected by humans listen to wetin others dem dey tell you. You dey lie small small and stop peddling that others deceive themselves
Stewart: I take it if the Governing Body is to be increased in size, that that will be a decision of the Governing Body itself?
Geoffrey Jackson your governing body member: That is correct. But obviously, we would get information from other fields.
Stewart: And is it the case that the Governing Body then appoints new members of the Governing Body?
Jackson: That is correct.
The above conversation is a cut from the answers provided by one of your governing body member under oath at the ARCommission regarding CSA within the organization you belong.
LoLz. Imagine being so drunk on the koolaid you can't even accept reality. Watch how he will come and try some mental gymnastics. SMH.
KnownUnknown: I wish the governing body would poison that koolaid and get rid of this disgusting pest and the rest of them.
Some black people are just sorry cretins. Utterly stupid. This guy is cut from the same cloth as the dumb black people who drank Jim Jones Koolaid back in the day.
At least those ones even had the excuse that it was at the barrel of a gun, this one is willingly drinking and bathing in it. LoLz.
MaxInDHouse: OK i get you now! Looking for someone to share your frustration and heavy heart shey? You only need to let go of ATHEISM and reconsider faith i'm sure you'll have the peace of God that surpasses all thoughts! Ephesians 4:4-7 Take good care of yourself my friend!
MaxInDHouse: So next time use thought provoking questions when you feel someone is lying, i've taught you that before. Intelligent people don't just accuse others of lying, during investigation police officers do use it to force words out of the mouth of a suspect but in the intelligence we won't say "you lie" instead we will continue to follow your narrative logically with thought provoking questions until you hit the wall.
LoLz. You just admitted to lying and yet here you are trying to act the fool. Abegi spare me your nonsense this fine morning. Bwahahahahaha
MaxInDHouse: Na wah o! So Mr Atheist self dey read my posts. Well the truth is that i only see the bethel homes on magazines and i once travelled through the place where the one built in Benin is situated but i've never visited any since i've been with the JWs.
TenQ: Even though I don't want to overflog this: his first point was a mere assertion of the fact that he unconvinced and Dr Craig didn't give him any evidence. Only for him WITHOUT any evidence claim he doesn't know if life can exist if the physical constant change.
If the Physical Constant do not change, would LIFE therefore exist? You and your pastor should be able to answer this simple question!
You see why I said that you NL Atheists treat them like Christians treat their Pastors!? Your argument is that "he does know what he is talking about since he is a subject matter expert while you are just some guy on the internet," I clap for you!
And I'm asking you the same question for the third time now with no response:
Do you honestly believe that million of Universe exist simultaneously with our own?
I am laughing in your village dialect?
1. Do you think you make any sense? After the deed is already done you are asking if God couldn't have used other constants? It's like saying that God gave us a pair of eyes. Why couldn't He have given us 10 or 12 or even 30 eyes as He is God! Since God is all-powerful, why didn't He make humans to have speed or why didn't God make humans to be 30feet tall!? 2. You forget that the so-called universal physical constants are OUR OWN measurements using OUR OWN measurement scales in comprehending Patterns in PHYSICAL OBSERVABLES!
God didn't tell anyone that He used any constants. It is us in the cause of measurements arrived at the conclusion of symmetries in physical observables we call constants.
It's like studying the pyramid in Egypt and observing that it is facing a perfect East-West direction, and that the ratio of the height to the base is 3.143 and the ratio of the weight to the length is exactly 6,843kg/m. Now your question is like asking: why couldn't they make the constants different from what you have observed!
I shake my head for you falling for such a dumb question by your acclaimed "expert in the subject matter "!
It seems whatever you are smoking is making you more and more dense. What part of "we don't know" are you struggling with?
LMAO! You are so high you can't even understand a simple question. If your god is almighty why are you insisting he needs some constants to produce life but you are so dense you are comparing it to eyes, for the love of Andromeda did you insist that eyes are necessary for life? How are you so stupid?
Dumbo I am not the one insisting these constants are necessary for life, that's you but when faced with how dumb the idea sounds you turn into a blithering idiot. Stop smoking cheap drugs.
TenQ: You did not answer my question: Do you honestly believe that million of Universe exist simultaneously with our own?
This man opened up by saying that this is the best argument from the theological point of view. Why would he say such? He admits that if the universal constants change by a little, thing will change a lot
He now went off to give five objections to what he considers a terrible.
1. He is by no means convinced and Dr Craig does not give any evidence for it. We just don't know if life can exist if the physical constant change
He didn't really give any point of his number one point. If he doesn't know, what is he arguing against
2. God doesn't need to fine-tune anything. God doesn't care for the mass of the electrons.
He forgets that for there to exist order, there has to be rules. It's just like telling a programmer that he can program any computer without following any rules.
3. The constant is only apparent once we understand the physics of the universe better. We don't know the answer yet
But this is the best of physics we understand now. Arguments should be based on our current understanding of the laws of physics. It's like me arguing that 2+3=6.3 my argument based on the fact that in future a new mathematics would be invented that would justify the answer
4. Starting with Cosmological Multiverse you can arrive at the same parameters as our present universe
Unfortunately, there exist not even ONE evidence of another universe to prove this. If the Multiverse Theory is correct, we must have seen at least one of the millions.
5. Theism fails as an explanation based on the kind of universe we expect from both naturalistic views and theistic views.
He now creates Strawman arguments in what he expects creations to be under theistic views as against naturalistic view.
I was expecting some good stuff from this man being a Cosmologist but I am thoroughly disappointed in him (and this is an understatement)
Read the number 1 point you yourself highlighted and tell me how it is different from what I said. And contrary to your objection he does know what he is talking about since he is a subject matter expert while you are just some guy on the internet, we do not know period.
Your disappointment is irrelevant, all you have to do is produce the evidence that contradicts him.
Also you still haven't answered why your god would be limited by these constants. I find it funny that someone who believes in an almighty god also seems to believe this almighty could not create life if the constants were different. Can you admit that that is actually contradictory?
TenQ: It was actually a joke. But most atheists on NL take these people like Christians take their Pastors and Apostles
You got me wrong here: I wasn't trying to present you in any gotcha situation
Dawkins seem to have his explanation based on the existence of millions of universe (occuring simultaneously with our universe). Of course you know that not one of these multiverse has been found
You on the other hand claims that if the physical constants were changed, it will result into the creation of another kind of universe.
Physics already showed the effect of having some of the universal constant changed by a small factor (the universe wouldn't exist). The theory of multiverse was created because of this (to decrease the statistical improbability). That was why I wanted you to first listen to Alvin Ash, before Dawkins and finally Craig.
Do you honestly believe that million of Universe exist simultaneously with our own?
My conclusion still remains this: There is enough information available to make reasonable conclusions. Study all the arguments and choose that which seem reasonable to you. Reason must be without sentiments. Pastor Dawkins and Pastor Craig were chosen so that you can listen to their arguments and adopt an unbiased logical view.
Maybe you should listen an actual cosmologist then:
TenQ: Alvin Ash spoke of the statistical improbability of a situation with a change in physical constant producing another universe occuring. He says, "we must have won a cosmic lottery".
Your mentor Dawkins dismissed with no reason that an architect was behind the Universe BUT went on to support the Multiverse Theory (also without an iota of evidence). For him any other argument is okay as long as it doesn't relate to God. He is a biased man that cannot be trusted.
Craig used the same physics to explain why there has to be an architect behind the creation of the Universe.
In summary: There is enough information available to make reasonable conclusions. Study all the arguments and choose that which seem reasonable to you. Reason must be without sentiments. Pastor Dawkins and Pastor Craig were chosen so that you can listen to their arguments and adopt an unbiased logical view.
First off I dunno where you got the idea that Dawkins is my mentor, I guess you were going for some kind of humour. Well jokes on you since I haven't even read any of his books.
Secondly, I guess in your eagerness to present me in some kind of gotcha situation didn't read what I wrote properly. Here it is again:
LordReed: We have no way of knowing, it is quite possible a different type of universe would have occurred but with a sample size of one we are only left with speculation.
As Alvin Ash says, how many tickets did we buy?
BTW are you saying your god is limited by these constants? That would be funny.
TenQ: Alvin Ash(An Atheist) concluded that we must have bought a cosmic lottery to exist! Then he asked a rhetorical question: How many tickets did we buy? Dawkins (An Atheist) conclusion was that any idea of God should be thrown out of the window for his Multiverse Theory! Multiverse Theory is still a speculation for which not a single verifiable evidence support! Craig (A Christian) uses the same physics to show that the origin of the Universe must have come from an intelligent source.
TenQ: We already have enough information at our disposal.
Avin Ash is an atheist -physicist He gives a theoretical background into these constant: you may wish to skip to the last two minutes for his conclusion
I don't get why you linked these videos. The physicist doesn't make any conclusions, Dawkins is obviously against the idea of a god being the cause and Craig is not an atheist, so what exactly is your point?
TenQ: Are you saying that the universe would still have existed if just one of the universal constants were to change by just 5%?
We have no way of knowing, it is quite possible a different type of universe would have occurred but with a sample size of one we are only left with speculation.
TheSourcerer: There are proven records of animals showing empathy. Several, in fact. Sometimes, animals take care of each other. Sometimes, they show outpourings of grief, and sometimes, they even take care of us. However they show it, though, there are several times when animals have shown empathy and some of them are in ways that are so much like humans that they will shock you.
Chimpanzee Comforted Her Caretaker After A Miscarriage
Central Washington University once took in a chimpanzee named Washoe. They taught Washoe sign language and tried to raise her as much as possible like a human being to see how well the monkey could communicate. The experiment was a rousing success. Washoe was able to communicate and even form full, grammatically correct sentences. The most amazing breakthrough, though, came completely by chance.One of Washoe’s caretakers, a woman named Kat, was pregnant and miscarried. Distraught, she took a few weeks off of work to get through her pain before coming back. Washoe, who didn’t understand the concept of paid leave, took this as a personal offense and refused to look at Kat when she returned.To make Washoe happy, Kat signed that she was sorry and then explained, “My baby died.” According to the people present, Washoe just stared at her in silence for a long while. Then the chimpanzee signed the word “cry” and ran her finger down Kat’s cheek, mimicking a tear.Later, when Kat’s shift ended and she went to leave, Washoe stopped her, signing, “Please, person—hug?” The chimpanzee, who had lost children herself, was so sympathetic to her caretaker’s pain that she wouldn’t let her go home without sharing a comforting embrace.
Good Morning
And really hope you're having a good day so far , don't forget to smile ,it helps If possibly randomly tell me about your day
Adasun: Because of the ASUU strike,I decided to go and hustle for money in other to buy a laptop as the one I had is old according to my mentor.
I got a factory job in a Chinese company. The work is sometimes hard and sometimes simple. My problem is, the dometry I am staying,they is this slim rat that comes at night to eat my room mates fingers and toes.
The rat doesn't eat someone consecutively twice. Every night is for someone. My turn came last week but I was very sensitive even when sleeping.it did not succeed.
It attempted to eat mine 5 times that night but I woke immediately the rat touches me.
But yesterday night, the rat succeeded in scrapping my right index finger. I was shoke when I noticed this,i became curious and want to know if it is normal for a rat to go canibalic on humans.
There are other fat rats in the factory and they only feeds on remains and cartons but this slim one just focus on us in that room.
Please elders in the house, enlighten me abeg. Is it normal or I need to do something? thanks.
Yes it is normal. It seems that a certain specie of rodent likes to chomp on human digits, I think it even has a name in our local dialects but I am struggling to remember it.
Just capture or kill it, there's nothing spiritual about it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Rapture Will Happen Suddenly : Urgent End time Prophecy Updates!! by LordReed(m): 8:08am On Aug 02, 2022
