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How come you are just mentioning these studies and not linking us to the actual research? You want us to just believe you?

LMFAO!

Image123:
Take the L.

LMFAO!

SaltedTutors:
Friend, you don't know whom you're chatting with, do you?

I understand: I was once like you, but probably much worse till I needed God's help Seriously. Then he had to Start Breaking my stubborn Pride and Ego...

God bless

Dude I stared death in the face and I didn't beg your god or Jesus for anything. Some of us are long past that kind of bamboozle.

Image123:
What is not written, did i mention that anything was written which i didn't quote?

Image123:
And did i mention anywhere that it was written anywhere? i have repeatedly stated the point. Jesus Christ Himself has no problem with hundredfold houses and lands for His followers, contrary to your beliefs.

And where did I say you said so?

sukkot:
LordREED it is impossible to ride in front on an okada

Hey look everyone is that fake prophet. How yah doing sukkot? Any new fake prophecies for us? Bwahahahahaha!

This is one reason why I don't ride in front. Easier to spot any tricky business from the back.

Image123:
What exactly makes you think of anything short of calm? Are the scriptures hurting you so much that you are begging like those evil spirits telling Jesus to calm down and not send them far?
i don't need to show you because even the ones shown you, you refuse to believe. Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead? So why should i waste my time showing you anything?
Here is the crux again to bring you back from your solo drift. You think christians should not build churches or have land because Jesus is coming soon. i have clearly shown you that Jesus' coming does not stop owning of land or building of churches(Jesus Himself is staying on earth for a millenial). i have shown you to your embarrassment that Jesus approves of hundredfold houses and lands for His followers. Now, you are looking for proof . Go to Canaanland and find proof abi you don forget road, or you are owing people money there?

LoLz. Let's once again take it is not written anywhere that the disciple's had hundred's of lands and houses, you are just conjecturing based on what you want.

Image123:
Duhhh, how many times will you change the goal post? This is not a game neither are you in the betting house. The magnificient temple was Jesus' Father's house and it conveniently accomodated Israel. Tell us why He would need to build another? The one He built, did you believe? Why the matter come pain you pass the people wey dey build? The Synagogues are consecrated spaces used for the purpose of gathering communally, reading scriptures and praying. Obviously, it was approved by the LORD Himself and He met there countless times. Consent is undeniable.

LoLz! Ok so I'll take it it was not written, just conjecture based on what you think is appropriate.

famozine1:
Some times when am dreaming I find it very hard to talk is normal

You don't talk in dreams, you just think you do. When next you are dreaming just imagine what it is you want to say in the dream and it will be like you are talking.

famozine1:
Second question when I wake up sometimes I see dead cockroach beside me like today now one cockroach is disturbing my sleep I don't even have it's time I wake up and d cockroach is dead already wat might be d cause please

The cause is you have food particles around your bed and the cockroaches want to eat. As for them dying, maybe you are rolling on them and squishing them in your sleep.

Image123:
Jesus wasn't against them having hundredfold houses and lands despite His coming again. Take that with your capital letter L.

Mat 8:14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.

As Tinubu Bourdillon and PitoObi billionaire reach, dem stay for people house duh.

LoLz. Calm down mister, don't blow a gasket yet. Just show me where it was written that any of the disciples had hundredfold houses and wives and lands, your speculations are not enough.

Image123:
They are His Father's house, did you conveniently forget? Why would He need to have built when it housed the 12 tribes of Israel already about three times a year? Was it not magnificent enough or you donated to that one, lol?

Which his father didn't build either but let's grant that his father commanded the temple to be built, where did he command for synagogues or fancy auditoriums to be built?

Image123:
Jesus Christ had the magnificent temple in Jerusalem and countless Synagogues to preach in. Also, the church had not started but all gathered mostly in these places. Get knowledge and understanding instead of your needless fixation and awe of my person.

None of which he built.

LoLz @ "needless fixation and awe of my person", have they started teaching how to do comedy skit in Bible school or church? Bwahahahahaha!

Image123:
You don't know for sure, do you? The point clearly is that, Jesus wasn't against them having hundredfold houses and lands despite His coming again.

A fact that would have been boldly stated as a fulfilment of prophecy. Instead Paul is making tents to make ends meet and Peter is staying in other people's houses.

Image123:
i don't know, do you? Did Jesus Christ not mention hundredfold houses and lands contrary to your weird beliefs that they should have none since Jesus Christ is coming soon?

Well they should have had plenty of houses no? LoLz.

Image123:
You see am, i'm allegedly frustrated but look who's having pleasant thoughts about my grandma?
Did Jesus Christ not have a magnificent Solomon's temple and countless Synagogues to preach in despite the fact that the church had not even begun? Ignorance of scriptures is different from puzzles.

LoLz! Guy your frustration is growing. Read my statement again before you blow your pants off.

Solomon's Temple didn't exist in Jesus' time neither did Jesus build any synagogue.

Yes gatekeeper general, no one knows scripture like you. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Image123:
This is the same thing as leaving all to follow Christ. We all know and proclaim that Christ is coming soon. Getting improved whether personally or collectively, either financially or otherwise is NOT clingy. You can see forsake ALL, leave ALL and still own houses, lands etc. Why on earth will Jesus be promising hundredfold of land or houses to anyone if according to your understanding, they don't need it?

Mar 10:30  But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life. 

What do you think Jesus Christ will do with anything if He comes?

So how many houses did Paul have or Peter or any of the disciples?

Image123:
Lol, are you concerned about the fancifulness of the building or about the giving money to the poor, you seem as confused as Judas. What has changed are the numbers fa. Jesus did not gather the numbers gathered today, did He? What has changed is that we are not meeting in Solomon's extremely fancy temple.

LoLz. Have you started getting frustrated? Calm down we are only discussing, I didn't kick your grandma.

When Winners was 3000 members did they not build an auditorium? Did Jesus not gather 5000 or more people to teach them so what are you on about?

I stated very clearly what puzzles me, maybe you need to read it again.

Kobojunkie:
I already showed how it can't be 1-day as you claim. That's more than enough..

Again you didn't. You only insisted it was on the 1st day of the festival, you could not show it was more than a day interval.

Kobojunkie:
I already showed how it can't be 1-day as you claim. That's more than enough..

You haven't. You have only insisted he died on the First day of the festival, you haven't shown how there's a 2 day interval between then and the purported resurrection.

Kobojunkie:
Nope, simply making it clear that a 72-hour expectation in such a case would be impossible.

I already accept that so no need to further quibble over it.

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, there is likely some error there in John's statement there since obviously there can't be two Passovers in one year. Also, there are no "Holy" requirements for the Passover meal. You simply need to show up is what?

Now, if you recall in John 13 vs 1, John referred to the period as the time for the Jewish Passover Festival...
... implying his understanding is that the entire week has to do with Passover, something that the majority in our time, also subscribe to, as we link the entire week to Passover, and not some Festival of Unleavened Bread.

2. The mention, even in Mark, does not directly link His death to Preparation day, does it?

3. 7th day of the festival in relation to Passover would have been 8 days later --- does not even fit the context in any way or form.

4. Regardless of the year you choose, the point I am trying to reveal here is there are errors in the accounts that need to be resolved before one can clearly state how long Jesus Christ was in the grave i.e. dead. And if we are to follow the breadcrumbs, it is more likely that He died on the First Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread than on Friday after that.

At least you are willing to admit that the gospel writers might have been in error however you still haven't shown how the interval was 2 days instead of 1. Only the 1st and last day of the festival had a no work stipulation so which day apart from the weekly sabbath also had a no work stipulation occurred during the festival.

RepoMan007:
because there were very huge auditoriums in Jerusalem already. When 3000 were added in a single day in Acts of the Apostles, it was one of such auditoriums that was used.
The current 15,000 seater of the church is already fully exhausted and has to hold 5 services on Sundays thus a need for a bigger one. That's different from the situation peter was facing.

LoLz. You mean the the house the disciples were in was big enough to accommodate 3000 people? Be real now.

Faith Tabernacle is a 50,000 seater not 15,000.

Peter might have been facing a different situation but the belief that Jesus was coming soon is the same. Even when Jesus had to minister to thousands he didn't ask for a fancy auditorium so what has changed?

Image123:
You are missing the point. If Jesus comes today, does your Bible not tell you that He is to reign on earth for 1000years? How then is 100bn for Him and His Body a gigantic stretch especially if it is not pinching you and nobody is complaining?
Did they tell you that you cannot give up things for others and still build for 100bn? It's called budgetting.
BTW, the Bible does not say that early christians gave things up BECAUSE Jesus was coming soon, that is one gigantic stretch over there.

And what is Jesus going to do with the auditorium if he comes? LoLz.

It is implied. There are several references to the imminent arrival so no need to hold on to things in this world. Here is one:

1 Cor 7
29 But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;

The subsequent verses make it plain to believers that they are not to take a clingy view of anything because Jesus is coming soon.

Amazing how time is short has turned to over 19 centuries. LoLz.

AntiChristian:
What does "you people" mean in the above context?

Seems you're more of a Christian apologetic than an atheist!

If a Christian was arrested for noise pollution in the north, hell will break loose!

Bigoted people like you but for you it includes your special blend of Islamic flavour.

LoLz @ Christian apologetic, I doubt any Christian in the Religion section would have that view of me.

Hismasterpiece:
No be you dey ask for evidence?

Apologetics is not evidence.

RepoMan007:
That Jesus is coming soon is no excuse to permit spiritual sabbatical. When Jesus asked Peter to feed His sheeps, there was no condition attached to it as to whether the feeding should stop before Jesus comes.

So why didn't Peter build any auditoriums to feed the sheep in?

Kobojunkie:
What part of that response leads you to believe I don't?

Because you were quibbling.

OMOJOHN001:
So Guy's this Bat was killed this morning, while trying to EAT my AGBADO AND CASSAVA inside the farm I LABOUR to plant.

I am getting to dislike anything related to BAT

Na wa o how is this huge?

RepoMan007:
Image123 and LordReed, I think both of you are missing the point in Mark 10.
Verse 21 stresses the effect of giving to the needy, which is to have heavenly treasures.

Verse 23 - 24 clearly reveals the trust the young man was having in his riches instead of being a blessing to the needy was his fault.

Lastly, the decision to sell and give to a needy person or true charitable cause is a personal one that's conceived on a by one on one or personal basis. I doubt all the pastors involves in making the decision to give that money to the needy can easily agree on it and on which needy to give to. Church contribution is a sort of public money but personal money is what genuinely come from the heart of a giver and thus translate to heavenly treasures. Even when Jesus was replying Judas, He personalized the reply to Judas because all the twelve contributing before giving would have made less sense than each one making the decision on their own.

Sure maybe I am missing the point but still spending N100bn on an auditorium when you believe Jesus is coming soon seems like a pretty gigantic stretch. Especially when you realise that the early Christians gave their things up because they too were expecting Jesus to be coming soon.

Obafavour:
We count hours but they (isrealites) count days. If he rose after 72 hours then it's no more the third day but the forth day. Bible is beyond human intellect we need deep understanding about bible before discrediting it.

LoLz. The Bible was written by human beings there nothing it conveys beyond human understanding. You guys are just willing to impart meaning and reverence to it.

Even if the Jews only counted days it still doesn't add up to 3day and 3 night periods. Day periods: Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Night periods: Friday, Saturday. So we have only 3 day periods (and I am being generous to add Sunday since he purportedly resurrected before dawn) and 2 night periods. I can accept it was not suppose to be a literal 3 day and 3 night thing, probably some sort of local idiom.