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Kobojunkie:
He didn't need to spend literally 72 hours since He also needed to satisfy the "rise up on the 3rd day" requirement which would be impossible if he spent exactly 72 hours in the grave.

Like do you not understand the meaning of literally?

Hismasterpiece:
Mr Reed... its been a while... kindly check out this site: apologeticspress.org

LoLz why are you pointing me to an apologetics site?

Kobojunkie:
Well, Jesus Christ did insist that He would be arrested on Passover day in Matthew 26 vs 1 - 2, and John verifies His claim in John 13 vs 1 - 2.

Now, the day after Passover happens to be the First Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, a Jewish Holiday wherein Jews were required by law to do no work - only cooking of meals was allowed by God in Exodus 12 vs 16 - 12 & Leviticus 23 vs 6 -8 - and gather together for a Holy Assembly in remembrance of the day God took them out of Egypt. What this does is explain why the Jews did not stone Jesus Christ to death according to Blasphemy Law on that day, opting instead to use the Romans in carrying out their plans to eliminate Him. This also explains why the Jews are written to have remained outside of Pilate's palace on the day they handed Jesus Christ over to Pilate in John 18 vs 28 - 29. In addition, the day being a Jewish Holy day more than explains the crowds that were there for the interrogation and crucifixion of Jesus Christ on the day in question. So, Jesus Christ more likely died on the First Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, and so could not be buried until the day after because no work - not even buying and selling of even burial materials - not even burials were allowed on that day.

You are making a conjecture that contradicts what is written by the gospel writer of John. It says the Jews didn't want to enter because they didn't want to defiled and unable to eat the Passover so if the Passover was already eaten which Passover were they still anticipating?

Also again Mark 15:42 says

And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Indicating that Jesus died the day before the sabbath. This could not have been the 7th day of the festival which was also a day of rest.

Records indicate that Passover occurred on the Wednesday in AD 33, the most likely year for His Death.

Which records? And nope, the most likely year for his death would be about CE 27 to 30 since he was most likely born between BCE 4 to 6.

Obafavour:
Jesus actually spent three days. If you study the bible very well with understanding, the jews count day and night. Esther as well said she's going to fast for three days before meeting the king but she went on the third day "esther 4&5:1" why? Because they count day and night in israel. And there is no where in the bible that says jesus would resurrect AFTER the third day but ON the third day.
Jesus was buried in the day of friday, day and night is what we call a complete day but it differs from how israelites count theirs, friday "day" was the first day. Saturday "day" was the second day and sunday morning makes it the third day.
If you still don't get it i refer you to "romans 1:28-32"

The 3 days was not a literal 72hr period, that is all I need to establish.

Kobojunkie:
1. It does not clearly state that He died on the Friday nor on Thursday. But there are many clues to His death taking place on Thursday and not Friday.

2. John 13 vs 1 - 2 places the Last Supper on Passover day instead of the day after.

I have stated how it shows only a 1 day interval, waiting for you to show how it was a 2 day interval.

Yes so?

Kobojunkie:
1. But to conclude there was a 1-day interval between Jesus's death and His resurrection, you concluded that He died - crucifixion took place on day He died on - on Friday when, according to you, this was not in fact stated.

It was stated that the women rested on the sabbath the day after the crucifixion. The sabbath is the last day of the week which we call Saturday, the day before that is what we call Friday. Can you show me where in the Bible it was clearly written he died on Thursday.

2. What is written in the Gospel of John is that Jesus Christ was taken on the day of Passover. Is that not one of the Gospels?

Where does it say that in John?

Kobojunkie:
1. Maybe I should try this another way.

Which of the accounts clearly states that Jesus Christ indeed died on the Friday before His resurrection?

How can they clearly state he died on Friday when they didn't use such designations? What I said was there was a 1 day interval. The purported resurrection occurred the day after the sabbath the women rested on the sabbath, the day after the crucifixion.

2. Well, Passover takes place the day before the Festival of Unleavened bread.

That is not what is written in the gospels so by your own reasoning the gospel writers made a mistake.

helinues:
Moreover, Newton's gravity theory have been debunked.

Gravity is not a force

This is not correct. Newton's idea of gravity still holds but it doesn't represent the full picture, that is it's only true in certain frames of reference. Einstein's theories give us a fuller picture of what gravity is. Moreover there is a force called the gravitational force which is one of the 4 fundamental forces of the universe.

Steep:
Yes religion matters, a religion is anything that guides us in life. Anything that forms what we believe to be true or false, it might be spiritual, physical etc
I laugh when some declare themselves as non religious, majority of the time what they mean is either they don't believe in the idea of God or they do not believe or take seriously the major world religion Islam and Christianity, the truth is that there is nobody without a religion.

Truth is never personal, the new age religion teaches that truth is relative and personal, meaning everyone can have there own personal truth or truth can change depending on the times. This is a lie, truth is truth and never changes, it is never relative neither is it personal. People who live their truth are living is deception and in ignorance.

The man who believe there is God and the man who believe there is no God, both can never be true.
Hence religion matters because truth matters, eternity matters, you don't invest in a business without finding out what type of business it is, it's is far worse in religion because it as to do with eternity.

Every religion has a message, this message can either be a lie or true.
The message of christianity called the gospel of Jesus christ.
The summary of the Christian message is that there is God who created all things including humans, this God is a holy, righteou, faithful loving and just God. He created all humans through one man Adam however this one man sinned and brought death upon all his descendants, all who sinned are would just be punished for their sin according to God's holiness which is his standard. This punishment is eternal death from God. However through history God has being pointing forward to a Time of redemption for mankind.
This redemption is Jesus christ himself who was born by a vigin lived a sinless life as the son of God paid took the judgment for our sin through his death, and after three days he rose again from the grave is a confirmation. He ascended into Heaven and will return back again to restore all things and judge mankind.

In Christianity truth is not relative, there is no personal truth there is just one truth who is Jesus himself. Sin is dangerous brings suffering on earth and eternal condemnation in eternity but the only solution is redemption which is Jesus.
Hence the problem is clear clear, Sin, and the solution is also clear faith in Jesus. There are no rituals, killing animals because Christ has already being killed and raised again, both the literate and the illiterate can understand the message, it is not gender biased nether race biased no segregate the rich and the poor.
"All have sinned" man or woman, blacks, or whites, rich or poor, educated or not educated and ll need Jesus.

How is Christianity different from all other religion.
Only Christianity preaches that the problem of mankind is sin problem and preaches the solution Jesus Christ.
In Christianity God is exalted as the holy, righteous, and loving God he is, Jesus by his death satisfied all of God's quality without rubbishing anyone. His death satisfied God's justice as well as open us to God's love unhindered.
A religion that does not need God' justice to be satisfied simply rubbishes it.

Some people would say why would God not forgive humans without Jesus dieing? The answer simply is God's justice can never be by passed it must be carried out.

However every human would need to make use of the freewill they have to either accept christ or not. Accept christ is accepting God's redemption not accepting christ is not accepting God's redemption, since God is a Go of liberty he will never force anyone to be save humans will have to choose.

LoLz. Isn't it funny that you accuse new age religion of making truth "relative and personal, meaning everyone can have there own personal truth or truth can change depending on the times" but here you are making religion mean something it is not. If you can change the meaning of religion to what you want it to mean for your own narrative then you are just as guilty.

AntiChristian:
I see someone above calling UK Christian country! No wonder they promote LGBTQIA, fornication and abortion. Those are Christian things!

Noise pollution is taken seriously in saner climes! Make them give am three months community service!

If na north he was arrested now hell will break loose!

We know you people are thoroughly intolerant so no need to remind us.

Image123:
i'm saying Jesus Christ knew that particular man could not do it(sell all). No one can obtain eternal life by DOINGs/works. For another person, Jesus Christ may say something else, like no anger, or no immorality, or no pilfering etc. Everyone has different weaknesses or besetting sins. Jesus Christ wasn't asking everyone for all time to sell all, He was addressing that particular man.

In marriage, a Christian leaves father and mother to cleave to the spouse. Leaving them doesn't mean abandoning or disowning or selling them. It means your marriage takes a higher spot than them. That's how you leave all, you prefer and hold on to God/Jesus above all.

How do you know what Jesus knew about the man when instead it is clearly written that Jesus loved the man?

I didn't ask you about married I asked about a single person. Question again: Also if you are single and fully own a house how do you just leave the house, are you saying Jesus means you should just abandon it unused?

Kobojunkie:
1. OK, so what are you insinuating?

I stated it clearly already, there was only a 1 day interval between Jesus' death and his purported resurrection.

2. From Leviticus where the Feasts are in fact commanded, Passover occurs the day before the Festival of the Unleavened Bread begins.

So the gospel writers were wrong then since they say the feast of unleavened bread is the Passover and that Jesus had a meal with his disciples on the first day of the festival, the day he was arrested.

Kobojunkie:
1. 1-day gap?

2. Passover feasts, of which the Last Supper was, are eaten on the day before the First Day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, not the day of. https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump#114741963

Jesus Christ was instead arrested on Passover, just as He predicted, and this more clearly explains many of the coincidences that was the day of His crucifixion https://www.nairaland.com/7110397/gospel-minddump#114760639

You ask me to read the book but cannot show me anything from the book to evidence what you are saying, funny innit? LoLz.

As for mine here you go:

Luke 23
55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Luke 24
1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

The Sabbath is at the end of the week which is Saturday, first day of the week is Sunday. The women rest on THE sabbath DAY, not days not sabbaths, not feast days, THE SABBATH DAY. There is only one THE SABBATH DAY, end of the week, Saturday.

Matthew 26
17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
18 And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.

Luke 22
1 Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover.

I dunno why you are attempting to circumvent what is clearly written in the book you asked me to read. Passover is the feast of unleavened bread as clearly stated in Luke and Matthew says Jesus asked them to prepare for the meal on THE FIRST DAY of the feast, the same day he was arrested.

Kobojunkie:
He died on the First day of the festival of unleavened bread which happened to fall on a Thursday in AD 33.

How could he have died on a Thursday when there was only a one day gap between his death and purported resurrection?

Also how could he have died on the first day of the feast when he had the meal with his disciples on that day, the day he was arrested?

Kobojunkie:
Well, he did literally meet the "3 days and 3 nights in the grave to rise on the third day" prophecy by being in the grave for over 60 hours but less than 72 hours.

On what day of the week did he die?

Image123:
Totally different and very direct/specific to the man.

Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

This particular man wanted to do something(works) to get eternal life, Jesus Christ simply showed him how impossible it is. He doesn't say every man or whosoever shall sell all.

See the difference in the disciples, they didn't sell all and give to the poor. The all was clearly stated. house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands. They LEFT, that is, it wasn't their priority. i believe that you know that the same Peter had a house, wife, and in law. Peter didn't SELL his brethren or children to give to the poor, he LEFT them. Very different. Learn and understand.

Are you saying Jesus didn't really want him to sell his things, he was just testing him?

Also if you are single and fully own a house how do you just leave the house, are you saying Jesus means you should just abandon it unused?

Kobojunkie:
Yes it was fulfilled.

He was in the grave , the place of death, for what may have been approximately 63 hours.

You are quite late to the party. LoLz.

Kobojunkie:
Again... I didn't ask you to accept my response. I instead asked that you read the book for yourself with an open mind so you see what is written as it is in fact written.

It is near impossible to read through even just the books of the law of Moses and miss the Obey me theme unless one has some really serious blinders on.

OGA i READ AND SHOWED YOU WHAT i READ STOP TELLING ME STORIES AND SHOW ME WHAT YOU READ THAT SHOWS i TOOK MINE OUT OF CONTEXT.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't ask you to accept my response. I instead asked that you read the book for yourself with an open mind so you see what is written as it is in fact written.

It is near impossible to read through even just the books of the law of Moses and miss the Obey me theme unless one has some really serious blinders on.

I read the book and showed you what I read. When I ask you to show me what you read that makes you say I took it out of context you are now telling me stories. Bwahahahahaha! Hilarious.

Kobojunkie:
Sin by definition is disobedience or transgression of God's commandment and Law. Obedience is the only acceptable propitiation required by God. For this, over and over, even in His Old Covenant which He intended as Constitution in the Nation of Israel, He required of them their obedience from the people over sacrifice.

There are several instances in scripture where God is said to have rejected the sacrifice of the people because it was not done in obedience to Him. Surely, if blood is what He desires for sin, then the sensible thing would be for Him to take it wherever He gets it but He doesn't do that at all, why? Because Obedience is the key. Obedience is the overarching mandate in all of scripture, not blood sacrifices.

Oga, show me the context in the book you said I took out of context. You can't tell me to go and read then when I ask you to show me the context of what I read you are telling me stories. Show me in the passages I quoted where it says anything about obedience. You are castigating people for accepting other people's interpretations but you want me to accept yours. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Image123:
Be like how? The Bible is clear about God's Word to all men, God's Word to His children, and God's Word to individuals. There are things to learn from every situation but it is very important to RIGHTLY divide the Word of God as against twisting and misunderstanding scriptures.

1. Joh 3:3 KJV Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

This is a clear condition for all men including me.

2. Mat 5:6 KJV Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Another very direct and clear scriptures for me.

3. Mar 9:23 KJV Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Another very clear place that God is speaking to me.

Do you need more? It is very clear also when God is speaking specifically to an individual and saying "Go to Joppa" or "Go to a city and loose a donkey".
Again, i ask you where did Jesus say what you said to me. i plead that you get to the point and avoid rigmarole.

Great! Here's one for you to add to that then:


Mark 10
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

26 And they were astonished out of measure, saying among themselves, Who then can be saved?

27 And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.

28 Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee.

29 And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,

30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Kobojunkie:
1. You need to read the book abeg! The man severally announced the manner in which He would die to his followers alone with the fact that it is His choice to have it all end as it will in order that He may gain everlasting glory by it. Read the book for your own self.

2. Obedience is the overarching mandate of all of God's decrees. Use your search tool and you will find it is mentioned in more places than your reference of choice is.

LoLz. Dude you are the one twisting in the wind mate. Something written korokoro you are saying it is out of context. Jesus susposedly wanted to die on the cross and the god allowed it. The theme of blood sacrifice for sin is right there but Kobojunkie wants us to choose his own meaning instead of what we can read with our own eyes. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ chose to give up HIs life just as He said in order to bring His mission to earth to a close.

So he did not choose to be crucified? He did not know he was going to be crucified>

2. Sure! If you actually read the book for yourself, paying careful attention to the context, of course, you will instead find that as far as propitiation is concerned, obedience is instead the key.

Just show me where obedience is in any of the 2 places I quoted.

Kobojunkie:
1. Death is guaranteed to all men, so what you state makes no sense. Jesus Christ had the option, like everyone else to wait until Death came for him and that is what happened. Death came for him as it does every other man.

LoLz. So you are saying Jesus didn't want to be crucified, he just wanted to die of old age?

2. Two verses pulled out-of-context amounts to "all over the book"? Come on!

LoLz. Put them in context if you will.

Image123:
Where in the Bible did He say that to me?

If you want to be that way, where in the Bible does anyone specifically speak to you or ask you specifically to do anything?

Kobojunkie:
1. How does this makes sense to this particular situation then.

Jesus wanted to die and the god allowed him to die.

2. That isn't based on what is written in the book but instead the lie fed you by pastors and mogs instead. If you actually read the book for yourself, you would instead find that as far as propitiation is concerned, obedience is instead the key.

Au contraire, its all over the book.

John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Leviticus 5:6
And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin.

Image123:
He said that to me? i never saw it,He said He didn't.

Well I guess the Bible is wrong then. LoLz.

nellyelitz:
It seem the bird app is now, people are complaining inability to login.

Please what's your experience?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-11013717/amp/Twitter-crashes-leaving-users-unable-login-post-view-tweets.html

Just signed in via the website and posted a reply to a tweet so it's running, unless it is the app having the issue.

Image123:
Why?

It was Jesus that written as saying that you should give your all to the needy so go argue with him, since you think he is alive somewhere.

Image123:
And why on earth or heaven should they be spending N100bn on the needy? How much are you spending on the needy that you want them/others to spend N100bn on the needy?
They spend on the needy and they also spend on church buildings. Since you are not happy despite not putting N1 there, that's why it is taken that you want them to spend ALL on the needy.
If indeed you don't expect/want them to spend all on the needy, how much is sufficient for you, any figure?

I dunno why you are arguing with me, you should go argue with Jesus. LoLz.

Hismasterpiece:
Why isn't the available evidence convincing to you and what would you consider to be convincing evidence?

Evidence that points directly to the conclusion, do not pass go, do not collect 200.

Wilgrea7:
I thought we were actually going to have a productive discussion.. but then you just went ahead to call me an agent of wickedness lol.

Have a great day man

When a mam stubs his toe on a rock he angrily curses the rock but not himself for failing to see the rock. LoLz. When people like the person you responded to come up against a wall their ignorance can't get over they curse the wall instead of educating their ignorance. Bwahahahahaha!