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Image123:
They are both satan's children, so they look alike like brothers.

There we go, like clockwork. LoLz.

hopefulLandlord:
everyone where I live knows I'm an atheist. I made that very clear to the first person that attempted to make me become a member of her church and the news spread from there. since then I wore it like a badge and I'm unapologetic about it. At work I made it known to only one person and the person seems to have kept it to himself although he does make some attempts at proselytising once in a while but I'm having none of it. As for my business places I told only one of my employees that I'm an atheist and she seemed to have told some people but whenever people attempt to bring it up in a conversation I just sidestep, change the conversation or say it not sensible not to believe in a god and I'd like to sit with people that don't to hear how they came to such a conclusion. the only reason I avoid being an open atheist in my business is simply business reason. Many people you'd tell you're an atheist starts seeing you as some pagan fetish person lol

Yeah. In our clime they conflate satanist with atheist. The sneer with which they say atheist can strip steel.

DeepSight:
Gbam.

I see.

Joshthefirst:
He will speak for himself and clear your doubt, i just hope you hear us who are speaking for him and change before then. Because by then there will be no room for change. You see God is not moved by skeptics. One day He will clear doubts everywhere. A day of vengeance. May my words not come to you on the other side of vengeance on that day. Come to God now in this year of acceptance. Join the millions and turn to Him.

Isaiah 61: The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me, because the LORD has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and freedom to the prisoners, to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor and the day of our God’s vengeance, to comfort all who mourn

Riiight. The coming soon Jesus that has been allegedly coming soon for over 1980 years. LoLz. As you can tell I don't buy that story and the so called intelligent god would know that waiting 1980+ years is not the definition of soon.

DeepSight:
At all.
Even in everyday parlance, people distinguish between thinking with their "head" and not their "heart." Although this is only a rough analogy: for you can respond by saying that emotions arise from the activity of the head anyway, and that the heart is merely used symbolically, which will in a sense be true. But what I mean here is that the spirit is the core intangible root consciousness of being. Whereas the mind may be viewed as that intangible space where the spirit meets the body, where our memories, worldly identity and daily self consciousness reside, and where we think and organize our lives and our activity, the realm of our thoughts. This space is of course, as I said, connected with the body in this material realm, it influences the body just as the body influences it.

Glad for this clarification because it seems I have been thinking your viewpoint is that spirit and mind are the same thing.

So going by your clarification, the mind is like an interface?

DeepSight:
It is not independent in its working in the world of matter. It cannot be. For it is influenced by external material stimuli as much as it also influences the external material world in constant interaction with it.

Let me add that that which spiritual people through the ages have thought of as surviving physical death is the spirit, which is understood differently from the mind.

Before you ask, I think I defined spirit somewhere on this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/6942843/matter-mind/7#109541872

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So the mind is not the spirit?

DeepSight:
It is not independent: certainly not in the material world.

How is in not independent if it survives the death of the body?

KnownUnknown:
Hush. We are in polite company!

Ooops!

DeepSight:
Haba, this is no biggie at all. We agree that the mind and body are connected. It is thus not a surprising thing that one can glean the state of the mind from signs in the body. Certain chemicals for example are only emitted in certain states of mind. Looking at the quantum and state of your serotonin for example, a doctor can tell about your mood, your sleep or lack of it, even your libido.

This is not an issue. This does nothing to suggest that mind is matter. It only affirms what we all already agree on: that mind is, for beings such as us, in this world, connected to matter. This has never been disputed.

I guess what I am trying to understand from your viewpoint is why would an independent aspect of the mind body duality be needing to cause these chemical and biological changes. Why is there any sort of feedback?

Joshthefirst:
It's because he's not in self denial like you. He can see the obvious order and intelligence in creation. He isn't happily denying it to deny God. That takes an incredible amount of futile effort and he is happy to not dabble in intellectual suicide.

LoLz! Yes the intelligent designer who never speaks for himself but instead has people defend him on the internet with piss poor arguments and ad hominems. Bwahahahahahaha!

Triplechoice, Deepsight

How would your view on the mind question explain this:

In a remarkable breakthrough, scientists from Israel have discovered that they can use saliva samples to quickly and accurately diagnose people suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).

In a study published in Nature’s Molecular Psychiatry magazine, researchers from Tel Aviv and Haifa Universities took saliva samples and investigated the psychological, social and medical conditions of about 200 Israeli veteran soldiers.

They discovered that soldiers who had experienced combat stress related reactions from Israel’s first war with Lebanon in 1982, and were still suffering post-trauma, showed a typical microbial picture in their saliva.

https://www.israel21c.org/study-ptsd-sufferers-share-bacterial-footprint-in-saliva/

KnownUnknown:
I’m a cat person so it was a match made it heaven, but it was also hell!

Ohhh, she came in her dominatrix form.

KnownUnknown:
Anyway, I had tea with the Goddess in my living room.

Was it with Bastet? I hear she's smoking hot.

pocohantas:
Indifferent to religion and irreligious activities.

I believe atheist on their part do not believe in the existence of any god. They are also more confrontational and combative on religious topics.

LoL @ confrontational. Yes some atheists are confrontational but it is not an identifying characteristic.

pocohantas:
Are you sure you are an atheist?

I am not an atheist, but I am heavily irreligious and I don’t fake it. I don’t go to church or participate in religious activities. I don’t own a Bible and I haven’t seen one in a very long time. Except my mum’s own when I visit home.

Everyone around me knows this.

Don’t bother preaching to me. I won’t listen and you would most likely get me very irritated and angry.

I don’t have any problem with you doing your thing and I would appreciate if this is reciprocated.

Being an atheist doesn't require you to announce it everywhere you go.

Jennygold111:
Is it wise to play along with been a Christian as an Atheist? I am finding it difficult to fake, it seems like a major blow to myself to lie to myself.

I had to fill out a form recently to support my wife in something important, I just knew that identifying as an atheist was going to cause problems for my wife so I just filled out Christian. Even my boss at work told me to tune down on identifying as an atheist in public because people get nasty about that stuff and she is right. Our clime is not exactly welcoming to atheists so my advise is where ever you can sense any form of resistance to the idea of atheism just sidestep it, you don't have to put on holier than thou attitude or form being a Saint, neutral noncommittal works just as well. No need to try acting ultra religious to get by. I still go to church with my family and even occasionally pray even though they know I don't believe, it takes nothing away from me.

Templee333:
i appologize 4 using the terms "scorn & condemn",but what did u mean by mistaken position?
i appologize 4 using the terms "scorn & condemn",but what did u mean by mistaken position?

This:

Antinatalism or anti-natalism is the ethical view that negatively values procreation. Antinatalists argue that humans should abstain from procreation because it is morally wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

Is what I was referring to. If you as an individual want to not have children you are welcome to that choice but once you say all humans shouldn't procreate then you are very mistaken.

Templee333:
if u agree that specific individuals may want to end their lives,then u knw why antinatalists don't want to impose life on anybody who may come to abhor it. However, i didn't say that you (or anyone else) must become antinatalist. Its a choice an individual has to make,& whoever chooses antinatalism shouldn't be scorned or condemn because (s)he has his/her own good reason for doing so.

And where did I scorn or condemn antinatalists? Are you conflating disagreement with scorn or condemnation?

Templee333:
unfortunately,some lives end because the person wants it to end. Except u've never heard of suicide before. Again, i've knw parent who regret giving birth to their children because they aren't what the parent expected them to be!

I was talking about generally. Of course specific individuals may want to end their lives however what I stated is largely the experience of life on this planet. Also people do things they regret all the time, what's new there?

Templee333:
if u like it is okay. But something that everyone needs to understand is that not everybody like living here. Again, u r not sure if the child u r abt to give birth to will love or hate life. If he happens not to love it, then who's to take the blame?

Whoever or whatever you blame for why the lion eats the baby goat. All life on earth is immersed in pain but seem to live through it, even you still here typing a message on NL, you still have a modicum of zest for life. Life ends not because we want it to but because it must so why not enjoy the albeit brief time you have to live.

Templee333:
okay, then what would be wrong with earth if humans go extinct?

Nothing. But some of us still like the concept of human life in perpetuity and like living despite the pain.

Templee333:
but what's wrong with other planets where there are no humans?

Nothing, except if you like living then you require a habtable environment.

Profperfect:
Dear Fam,

Please help me out(advice) on this , I am writing at this odd hour because I have lost my peace and I can't close my eyes and sleep .

My relationship has not been a rossy one at all, I have my faults (though am not a womanizer or a cheat) God bears me witness, but believe me, the girl I'm dating and almost settling down with after some years of dating has been hell, trust issues, disrespectful, someone who told me she can never respect or submit to me in her life, I have endured and endured her, she always overrides me. I can't talk or complian of her wrong doings , she will react badly, very insulting (countlessly insulted my father and mother but I have never ever retailiated, does care about what I feel or how I feel.

Should I talk of sex? I have never cheated on her for the past 6 years plus since we met (started dating) at a young age at uni and after uni, I respect her even in her absence, but she has mingled with different guys that has cost out relationship, in all these she claims she has done nothing wrong.

The main issue of all right now is that her boss, she once worked for who she was consciously sleeping with inside office once others are not around, always, hotel, even when they (claim) or go to conference or meetings together, knowing that he is a married man, called her yesterday to give her a job offer to return . This is a boss she served years back, even during uni he kept calling and always wanting to have her, during and after NYSC he kept calling her for him to have a bite, same boss she was pregnant for and aborted for him, though she hanged it on her boyfriend as of that time and the guy didn't know . She never told me all these her self, but I won't like to share here how I got to know.

The same man she has been avoiding for years, that she doesn't want to go back to sin or her past life, but just yesterday she even took excuse sneaked out of office and went to see him and accepted the offer, then came back home called me to tell me this and that and before I could talk she said she has accepted it, was shocked and trying to reason why she did that, she asked me if there was anything wrong in her decision, she began to yell at me on phone, as usual I kept mute and ended the call. Please would I be wrong if at this point I take a bow and leave now?

Please help me push it to the front page. She is a Nairalander too, she sees nothing wrong in the wrong things she does. Let the world hear my story and correct me if am wrong on taking the decision.

Run from anybody who says they can't respect you. Run!

Image123:
Lol at beginning to realize. Can you update us when they fully realize, whatever that means.

Yes beginning to realise because some of them still cling to the traditional view inspired by their scripture even in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary. But sure I will "update us when they fully realize, whatever that means." LoLz.

Bossdave:
Israel was created as a nation during the Exodus. But while they were in Egypt, before they became a nation, the Egyptians referred to them as sashu.

Even the Israeli are beginning to realise that the Exodus is a myth of origin, it most likely did not happen. If it did happen there is no evidence of it especially where one should find an abundance of evidence, that is not a good recommendation for believing it did happen.

DeepSight:
Oh come on, old pal, I simply mean you guys might find in it some substantiation of your position that it is not inconceivable for AI to be or become self-conscious.

Ok, I just want to be sure. Well, from my understanding of what happened, it was a mistake not really a calculated attempt by the machine to cause harm. Apparently the child was making moves faster than what the programming of the robot allowed for so unfortunately the child's hand was over the board when the robot tried to make its own move. Still have plenty of ways to go before true AI will emerge.

DeepSight:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jul/24/chess-robot-grabs-and-breaks-finger-of-seven-year-old-opponent-moscow

Lordreed, Diridiri & Co might find this to their taste.

I don't know what you mean by "find this to their taste", do you think someone getting hurt by a machine is something we would find tasteful?

Aaronsrod:
All are agents of Satan.

Every bird must die in Jesus name.

Especially chickens.

Na men, you need to reserve 7 of each for sacrifice.

Cypress042:

For real?

Gullible individual

Anytime you see that username just know he is being sarcastic. LoLz.

Ibkhaleel:
Islam Is a Disease...
Or at least that’s what many “intellectuals” & Governments around the world want us to believe.
If a disease is something that is dangerous and may cause death… Let’s analyze what DOES Islam kill?
Islam kills desire… It stops us from being ruled by our base animal instinct and teaches us to align ourselves with the Divine Will of our Creator.

LoLz! Is that why Islam permits the marriage of multiple women? Because marrying multiple women is somehow killing your desire? Are you a comedian? How about the penchant for girls barely out of puberty or even those that haven't even neared that stage?

Islam kills consumerism & materialism… It constantly reminds us that this life is temporary and nothing will follow us to the grave other than our righteous deeds.

Really? That's why many of the princes of Saudi Arabia, the so called holy land, are rich assholes who constantly fluent their wealth ostentatiously?

Islam kills racism… It teaches us that Allah doesn’t look at our outward appearance, He looks at the state of our hearts and judges us based on our awareness of Him… Something only He can judge and no one else.

Are you playing the ostrich? Are you living in some cave where you haven't heard of the heavy discrimination Africans face in Arab lands? Let's even leave aside the slavery of the past, what of the slavery going on right now in Arab lands especially the sexual slavery?

Islam kills addiction… The only civilization to ever successfully abolish alcohol, one of the most addictive substances on earth, was the Islamic civilization.

Smoke screen. Tobacco consumption is highest in Northern Nigeria. The fact that Islam bans alcohol has only redirected the addiction to other drugs. The Taliban were one of the biggest exporters of marijuana.

Islam kills animosity… It teaches us that paradise is unachievable for anyone who causes emotional, physical or verbal harm to others… It teaches us to harbor love for even our enemies.
For those that DEPEND on vices such as these and others for their profits & ability to control people… is it any wonder that Islam terrifies them? It’s no wonder that they view it as a disease.

By the light of Andromeda you must be very good at lying to yourself. ISIS is a very glaring opposition to this. Even Saudi Arabia the so called holy land is a big sponsor of terrorism. All the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis and received funding from elements in the Saudi hierarchies.

Islam kills animosity… It teaches us that paradise is unachievable for anyone who causes emotional, physical, or verbal harm to others… It teaches us to harbor love for even our enemies.
Allah was truthful when He told us that Islam was sent to take us from beneath layers of darkness to bring us into the light. Subhanallah!
May Allah (SWT) allow us to always see what is harmful to us and what is good for us and allow us to follow the teachings of His beloved Messenger so that we may be cured from the many diseases that threaten our hearts. Ameen!

You just excel in telling yourself lies. You have no point.

Thinkam:
Firstly she scammed me, thought she had huge boobs, but turns out she only wears big bra's those things are tiny just nipples.

She has her own apartment, but for the past 4days she has been living with me practically...

I hate sharing my personal space, I've tried using technicalities and innuendos to drive her out, but none seems to work

Why the subtlety? Just tell her she needs to go.