immaculatesense: U seem lost...and ur source seem lost too... unverified source...how can a source for that matter tell u something remains in the "THOUGHT" of the people during d time that the documented proof was that the Earth is FLAT. But ur source said it was in their thoughts. Nawa ooo... Okay o...I mentioned Isaiah please mention one of those "THOUGHTERS" at the time abi na only Isaiah get name and talk am that time? And I told u Isaiah was 7BC dating earlier than those unnamed thoughts. Maybe it was Isaiah that stated the thought since those thoughts are namely
Are you blind or something? Isaiah Chapter 40 was not written in the 7th century nor was it even written by Isaiah. Also the word used is not sphere. Maybe we need to repeat this several times so it gets past whatever brick wall is acting as your skull.
As for names, the Indian sage Yajnavalkya is one of the thought leaders. Please expose your ignorance and make fun of the phrase thought leader. LoLz.
immaculatesense: Sorry...u seem like someone dat knows nothing and u sound like someone I av chat with in another moniker...but that aside...u said "MAYBE the idea was around at the time and no proof?...tell me the old Hebrew word for sphere not the modern Hebrew ooo and tell me anyone before Isaiah that say the earth is spherical or cycle... If u can't answer these questions...just don't come to my mention...I am done wasting my time with u man...if u don't believe God or scriptures...no wahala...don't just like that the scriptures is false
LoLz! You want to start being disrespectful? Don't go down that road if you don't want to shed crocodile tears.
I already answered your question read the last post and read the attached screenshot.
immaculatesense: You are just confusing urself...either u pick 7th century or 6th century...both are still earlier than 5th century that scientist accept fhat the world is spherical...or do u wanna argue that? Oga...6th century BC and 5th century BC which one is earlier?
ANSWER oooo
Obviously the 6th but that is talking about documentary evidence, the idea would have been around sometime before it was documented. Also circle is not sphere. A circle is a flat 2d object. In fact the idea at the time was that the earth was a flat disc with a dome covering.
immaculatesense: LordReed...please wat do u gain from lying? Isaiah lived in the 7thBC and the earliest document that claim the Earth is spherical was in the 5BC...which one is earlier...look at it below
7th century BCE is not 4000years ago I hope you realise now. And I said about the time the sphericity was confirmed, Chapter 40 was not written in 7th century BCE.
immaculatesense: Dear LordReed I laugh...u av data na...when did scientist admit that the Earth is not flat? And compare it to 4000 yrs old Isaiah statement date. Simple. You talk about education? Were it not those who were educated that keep changing their theories till date? Ask ursef "how many changes of theories on the number of planet we av since 100 years ago till now.."? And their theory of evolution has changed from time to time...so called educated. And this people u call uneducated av made claims over thousands of years ago...it remains unchanged and even scientists are falling back on those fact to confirm their hypothesis. Thank u LordReed
LoLz! Isaish was not written 4000yrs ago it was written less than 3000yrs ago about the same time ancient scientists confirmed the sphericity of the Earth.
What changes are you talking about?
Bwahahahahaha! Scientists are not falling back to your ancient Hebrew tales, who is deceiving you with that?
immaculatesense: Dear LordReed I hope I understand u now...and I don't av a problem with u... But note...it was one of these (peasants as u called them) people that made one of the earliest Revelation that the world is not flat but round(since the word spherical does not exist at the time in the language) as far as over 4000 years ago. READ Isaiah 40:22 [22]God sits above the CIRCLE of the EARTH. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them.
THANK YOU REED
LoLz! That passage was most likely written after men had already determined that the Earth isn't flat. Also the word used there is circle not sphere or are you telling me those people didn't have a separate word for sphere?
BTW I was not referring to the OT since the topic of discussion is the presumed return of Jesus which is in the NT. Most of the people captured in the NT are not what you call educated people, even Jesus himself did not go to school.
immaculatesense: Dear LordReed I still do not understand wat u criticising me for...is it that ur claiming Christ has already come? Or Christ will not come? Cos I just told u that even with our progress in preaching the gospel,with all technology and wat av you...no one can still boldly say we av covered the whole nook and cranny of the world with the gospel even though we av made tremendous progress but there are still work to be done. But Christ said the work of preaching to those unreached has to be done first before he comes...but nobody can know wen the message gets to the very last person and that is why we are to be prepared also.
So, LordReed,do u av any issue with dis analysis of mine and maybe u can reexplain any part of the scriptures u think in ur wisdom dat I av misinterpreted,let me hear ur own view and let's discuss. But like I said,if u do not believe in the scriptures at all...I will respect ur opinion.
Yes, quite plainly I am telling you that Jesus will not come. And I am telling you that you are limiting yourself by what 1st century CE peasants knew of the world or the universe.
immaculatesense: Dear LordReed I respect ur thoughts so much...2000 years has passed since Christ said he is coming. As at the time...he gave us just a sign to look out for which is: Matthew 24:14 [14]And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.
LordReed, statistics can prove it that as at the time of the apostles,even 1% of the world population has not even heard the gospel message. And u can believe with me that there is no accurate statistics as of today even with the Advent of social media and technology that the message has reached the ears of all that is presently alive. How far we have bn able to get the message accross may be 70%,80% or more or less. But the coming was hinged on a last check...every living at the time must av had for a witness. So, LordReed like I said,I respect ur opinion and whether or not u chose to believe or otherwise,it is a choice...but u can agree with me that with the above...God was never lying or postponing...it is left to us as Christians to carry out the mandate of the Lord,once it is fulfilled,then the end will come...but the big question is;" when"? If it can take Noah and his children over a hundred year to preach to a population that is less than a 100,000...how long do u think God is ready to wait patiently for the message to reach an 8 billion population? Like I said in the post u quoted...it may be now,it may be after 10000 years...but sometin is Sure and Amen...HE WILL COME SOMEDAY AND ALL EYES WILL SEE HIM. 2 Peter 3:8-10 [8]But you must not forget this one thing, dear friends: A day is like a thousand years to the Lord, and a thousand years is like a day. [9]The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent. [10]But the day of the Lord will come as unexpectedly as a thief. Then the heavens will pass away with a terrible noise, and the very elements themselves will disappear in fire, and the earth and everything on it will be found to deserve judgment.
I Love you brother.
You are comparing their knowledge of the world then with our knowledge of the world now, that is a bad idea because they did not think the world is as big as we now know it to be. It is evident in the way they wrote. They said the Roman Emperor commanded "all the world" to be registered in a census. Obvious if you were living in those times the Roman Empire might have seemed like "all the world" but it most definitely was not, it wasn't even up to a quarter of the world. Plus the world population then was a mere fraction of what it is now so it was quite conceivable for "all the world" to hear of the gospel. My point is they were working from the limits of their knowledge and you here now with better information are limiting yourself to their ignorance and it is very comedic. It would be like a modern man going to look for stones to make a tire.
Secondly, you guys make the bible sound like bipolar nonsense when you reinterpret places that do not fit your narrative just so it can. Are you going to deny that it was written “Surely I am coming quickly.”? No you are not but instead of coming to terms with what that means now that that cannot be fulfilled, you reinterpret it to fit whatever narrative you like. As if words no longer have the meaning we generally use them for and you can just willy nilly ascribe any meaning to a word. That makes the Bible look like a bipolar clown show.
immaculatesense: Please don't let anyone brainwash u with all this signs...all prediction has failed...since 1875...just be alert...Jesus can come today...and he may come after 10000 years from now...new tinz will keep coming and going but it will change notin...Christ will come the date that is already known by the Father alone.
LoLz! It's so funny how you guys make this thing into a comedy show. It is written in the Bible “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus! Yet you say it could be in 10000 years, how tf is 10k years coming quickly? How is even 2000 years coming quickly?
I am wondering when it will be the time to recognise that it is bullshit.
judedwriter: The only biblical proof is the number of his name 666
Barack hussein obama
Barack/hussein/obama
6. 6 6
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. — Revelation 13:18
LoLz. Somebody needs to return to nursery to learn how to count. For Sirius sake Hussein is 7 letters and Obama is 5 letters. Your attempt to force this narrative is such a kindergarten attempt.
loswhite: Abraham never gave tithe of his income. Abraham gave tithe from the spoils of war. It is very misleading to equate a tenth of spoils of war to a tenth of your income. At best Abraham gave a gift of a tenth of the spoils of war. It is false teaching to equate that to Abraham tithing. There is no place in the Bible that showed that Jacob fulfilled his vow...In Genesis 28 Jacob had a dream and when he woke up from the dream he made a VOW. Jacob has been having income before he slept and had that dream. There was no record of Jacob paying tithe from his income. He made a vow that if God will give him those things he revealed to him in that dream. He will give a tenth of it to God. The vow was not his income but on strictly the land that God promised to give to him and his descendants. There is no record of him fulfilling this vow. It is misleading for you to say Jacob paid tithe when there is no record of him actually paying tithe and zero record of him even fulfilling the vow. Tithe is not a principle as you claimed. It is law for the Israelite. Read the book of leviticus and you will understand the laws given to the isrealite. They were strictly under a law to tithe because the levites so not have inheritance or land or anything. Finally Jesus did not commend tithing except the word Woe in your English Dictionary means commendation...lol. Jesus only added the last part of that verse simply because he was under the law. Condemning tithing outrightly would have been blasphemy. The only place Jesus talked about tithe was stating clearly that is not a weightier matter and specifically downplaying it and showing it is less important but Christians today totally disagree with Jesus.
Nice one. Unfortunately most Bible readers do not pay attention to the details.
Gospel2Day: The problem with many people is that they lack Deductive Reasoning capacity. They're Two Priestly Orders in the Bible, Viz Aaronic and Melchizedek. Jesus belongs to the Melchizedek Priestly Order. Only Divine Beings operated that Priestly Order. Both Priestly Orders RECEIVED TITHES from humans. The ONLY difference is that while the Aaronic Priestly Order demands Tithes, the Melchizedek Priestly Order does not compel the givers. Abraham was grateful for successfully rescuing his nephew Lot and gave to God Gratitude Offering called Tithe. Same thing Jacob promised to do, if God kept him safe in his journey and brought him safely back to his father's house. If you don't feel God deserves your Gratitude for keeping, preserving, providing and protecting you, then keep your money. But don't discourage those who are grateful enough to set apart from their earnings A Thank You Offerings known as Tithes for God. Shalom.
So which divine being is receiving your tithe now? The pastors or priests in the churches? Because those are the guys spending all those tithes as they see fit.
Sweetplum: Yes I did. They were at least straight to identify the real evil practitioners which are Islamic fanatics. I understand some are under religion brain washing. But anyone who's constituting threats to life and properties should be declared the real fatwa upon. These are the fanatical Muslims. I blv the atheists in the video were careful to an extent cos they feared for their head. Except that brave woman that told the bitc h Saber Ahmed that she's hypocritical. In all, let's all embrace peace whether you are an atheist, theist, monolatry etc.
LoLz! How is calling Islam one of the greatest evils being careful for their head? You said atheists are cowardly and don't talk bad about Islam or the Quran and I show you atheists doing exactly that but you say they are being careful. Do you not understand the meaning of the words you are using?
Sweetplum: Thanks for sharing this. In the videos, atheists v stated clearly that Christianity is more tolerant. And my conclusion is that's why it's easy for atheists to talk anyhow about the Bible or Christianity. Who born dem if they do so with the Qur'an? They know their heads are at stake. Now to the hypocritical Moslem Saber Ahmed, the American Muslim enjoying liberal life in USA but can't use it to speak against Islamic terrorism worldwide. She's a waste product meant to be sent to Afghanistan for sex slave. She dey craze. Even in America she still has boko haram wife mentality. Smh! Lastly, I blv everyone is free to practice their thing. Religion or no religion. The end ll justify the means. But I won't tolerate atheists with shallow logic. They just raise loopholes and not consider positivity about Christianity. The oyinbo atheists in those YouTube video has sense. But the chicken atheists here on Nairaland are high on cow urine. So it made me question if they are real atheists. Maybe they are disguised mofos from other religions cos the jealousy of Christianity is driving every non Christians mad worldwide. In all, let's embrace peace if our religion differ. And if there's anyone lurking around, acting like he/she's a murderer, no peace, so there ll be no peace. Let's kuku do eye for eyevand let everywhere burn!
LoLz! Did you actually watch the videos? Hitchens especially eviserates Islam and the Quran and Dawkins calls Islam one of the greatest evils in the world.
Sweetplum: Is that why you are crying? Is it bad if a religion is reformed for better? Authors write book they criticise it. Good people of today may v one last before and they turn a new leave. The apostles in the new testament after receiving the Holy Spirit shunned pagan practices and embraced Pentecostal Christianity. This spread to this century aji h you this ewu is benefitting from. Lastly, you v not made good rebuttals but beat about the bush. My main point is, if dem born you, your papa, your mama well, write gibberish about Islam just as you do for Christianity if you won't regret before seeing shege!. I dare you. You be agbero atheist. Ori e tun buru.
Look up Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins to see just how cowardly atheists are toward Islam. Here lemme help with a few:
DamnnNiggarr: Happy Sunday and Thank you Nairalanders for the love, morale and inspirations you guys showered on me yesterday, the love was just too much that I couldn't begin to imagine its magnitude. After going through some of the comments on the PREVIOUS THREAD, I decided to break all odds to stand my ground.
What seems to be a simple situation to many people may not always be as simple as they deem it to be. there are levels in which two friends will attain in their friendship, saying "NO" to the request of any member of the friendship by another member of the friendship becomes a huge issue, that was my case yesterday but many people failed to understand me, some said its fake, which made me begin to wonder if those that were bashing me yesterday have been in such relationship before.
My friend is not as poor as many people portrayed him yesterday, though not that he's as rich as Dangote or Otedola, but he's comfortable. He got scammed while trying to purchase a landed property; over ₦25 million lost to scammers who claimed to be land agents by making him pay for a land that has already been sold out to a group of persons and issuing him invalid documents, which seriously dealth heavy blows on his business, that's a year and few months after recovering from the dreaded 2019 Onitsha inferno that got his shops destroyed. But I can assure you that he's gradually recovering and getting back on his feet.
After going through all the comments in the comment section, I drew my inspiration from some of the sensible commentaries and break all odds to stand my ground which I was afraid that it will make her sad, but it didn't, rather it worked out like a magic. But that doesn't matter to me as my happiness now is that my friend is out of the shackles of his landlord.
MaxInDHouse: The highlighted is a lie Sir! On the contrary majority leaving the organization are those born by JWs, they see the organization as a cage where their parents are trying to cage them under some strange religion. But real JWs are people who made the truth their own not those born by JWs.
So a real JW will never take his father or mother or any blood relation seriously unless they're ready to abide by the terms and conditions of the organization! Matthew 12:46-50
That is what it means to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses Sir!
How many people joined JW org in your local congregation last year?
MaxInDHouse: Because some children were born and raised in the gathering of JWs doesn't mean they're JWs Sir. Perhaps you should check the meaning of the word "WITNESS" in your dictionary before saying a witness became an atheist!
LoLz. Awon gatekeeper general ti de. A vast majority of JWs today were born into JW families so unless you want to start saying you are fewer than the numbers your org reports then swallow your bulshit gatekeeping.
MaxInDHouse: ATHEISM lied to you my friend, you never disbelieve the existence of God for real what you're demanding is to see God one on one and that's impossible because God is a spirit!
So if anyone becomes an atheist it's because they don't want to live in harmony with others under some forms of norm, we understand that perfectly!
LoLz! This has nothing to do with my comment. Your assertion that "you guys who has turned to atheism because you people have valid reasons to denounce what you were taught about God" implies that you know the right teaching which presumably is from your JW org. Yet we find JWs becoming atheists anyway. I am just laughing at your bullshit.
I do regard most of you guys who has turned to atheism because you people have valid reasons to denounce what you were taught about God but let me remind you that one is not to be called a tailor until you see him sew and design a suitable dress.
In the same manner you don't call anyone Christian simply because he claims he is until you observe how strongly he or she adheres to Jesus' teachings. That's what makes one a Christian not just claims.
Jesus himself said that his disciples will become WITNESSES of him throughout the world {Act 1:8} which means a group of imperfect humans like you and i will be known globally practicing what Jesus laid down as norms or tenets. Matthew 5:13-16; 7:16-18
After Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension to heaven Satan initiated his own agents in their midst {Matthew 13:25} and since Jesus' disciples don't force rebellious people out of their gathering {Matthew 13:29} they later outnumbered the real Christians and that's what you know today as Christians. Their attitude and behavior totally negates what Jesus taught his followers. But thanks to God true Christians have separated themselves from Satan's agents so you can now see the organization of true Christians today known as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. It's exactly the same way Satan's agents treated Jesus and his real followers that they are treated globally today! Matthew 10:22-25
So if you haven't find such a group then know that you've not met the real CHRISTIANS! Act 11:26
Thank you, if you still have any question about faith in God please don't hesitate to ask !
Act_17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: There is the mercy of God and the context and motive that God places in consideration.
i guess you are referring to the episodes of Abraham and Isaac lying about their wives. For one, Abraham was technically telling the truth as Sarah was his "sister" as they used to address it in those days. A study of the events show how God left Abram and didn't continue with him till chapter 15. Then
Gen 20:12 And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.
Gen 20:16 And unto Sarah he said, Behold, I have given thy brother a thousand pieces of silver: behold, he is to thee a covering of the eyes, unto all that are with thee, and with all other: thus she was reproved.
Isaac's repetition of the episode sorted out itself as the people later discovered the truth. He did not insist on lying or covering up the lie with another lie. As for Jacob, he suffered and was paid in his coin ten times over until he said the truth to the angel that his name is Jacob. If you will also repent today, the good thing is that there is forgiveness for you too. Stop living the lie, God is calling you to a honest and sincere life, void of deceit.
Christianity Etc › Re: After Rapture, What Will Happen In The Earth? by LordReed(m): 6:34pm On Jul 06, 2022*. Modified: 6:13am On Jul 07, 2022
