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Ammishaddai:
Those who don't pray are are worse off than those who do...it's a fact and I've seen it personally in the hospital that I work in .

Come to think of it, have you even been to the ICU in a hospital ? If you haven't, try visiting . You'll see the look of confusion in the eyes of those who don't pray... or believe in God . Most times they're often full of hatred and bitterness because they are lost and without hope. To them , nothing makes sense , not even their own existence .

But to those who pray and believe in God(aka Jesus) ...it's a completely different story that words can't describe. They have peace , even though they are dying...and that alone signifies something greater than science . It is something that you can never, ever understand. Infact, try visiting a hospital and see this...you'll be shocked!

Given the percentage of non believers in the general population, you can't possibly have seen a significant number of non believers in your hospital.

Padipadi:
Drugs don't kill depression cos they ll only work for some time before the memory, trauma, thoughts, feelings re-occur. Logically, counselling, meditating on God's words (reading Bible), praying, going to church to worship, meet people, make friends & not being alone kills depression.
So if anyone want to be out of depression, spiri-logical means are the best options. Not drugs, alcohol or any anti depressants.

Not where the depression is a result of physiological factors, those don't disappear, they present as chronic throughout the person's life. Depression caused by environmental factors can be alleviated and will dissipate with appropriate action but the other type stays on and needs management constantly.

Uprightness100:
When you don't know or understand GOD , you will see yourself as suffering.

But one who knows , Believes and Trust in GOD indeed, will see such times as training. And will wholly and Joyfully follow the Lord.

Before Gold comes out as Gold it passes through fire to be refined. If you are a Genuie child of GOD, forget your Matter and focus on Pleasing GOD with all your Might. GOD is mindful of HIS own and at the appointed time, he will fix u up.

So a believer who is wealthy and healthy has no need for training? A believer in a country with good social services that alleviates any challenges he has, has no need for training? Is this training social circumstance dependent?

truthCoder:
Do yourself a favor, google “the history of monotheism” and learn with an unbiased mind.

The concept of having one god is a wonderful invention that tends to simplify the whole religious celebratory rites for the ‘enlightened’ ones. Try and understand how that concept also evolved in Egypt before it was adopted by the present day isrealites.

Try and research who the acclaimed Moses really is. Don’t forget that Moses was raised up in the egyptian court and was availed access to the best of egyptian knowledge at that time.

Was Moses even a pharaoh at some point? Who is Akhenaten and who is Moses?

One simple fact that history has proven remains. The pharaoh that introduced the concept of one god into egypt was Akhenaten. Many historians have attributed him to be the same individual as the Bible’s Moses.

In summary, one god concept is a wonderful emotional concept that gives the human mind relative peace and it was invented prior to the jews laying claim to it.

In what way can Akhenaten be liked to Moses? Akhenaten married a queen Nefertiti, had several children, was an actual Pharaoh with actual records. Unlike Moses who purportedly married a shepherdess, had 2(?) children, was not a Pharaoh and has no well established records apart from myths and legends. On what basis are you then making the conclusion that they are possibly the same person?

Dtruthspeaker:
Not many know the composition of salt and sugar, how much more even dust.

Nevertheless, we all know salt and sugar and dust and pepper even without their compositions.

LoLz.

Dtruthspeaker:
That's done already. Like salt and sugar, I stopped at Dust. And everyone knows dust.

And every one knows that salt and sugar though looking alike are not alike so how can you claim that the decomposed particles from a body are dust when you don't even know what it is composed of? You know what sugar is, you know what salt is so you can make a distinction. Here you admittedly don't know what the composition of dust is yet you able to make the conclusion that it is the same thing as the decomposed body particles. Doesn't compute.

Image123:
Because the sedimentary layers contain some marine fossils too.

Are all sedimentary layers the same? Do they all date to the same period of formation? Also you still haven't said how it supports the idea of a global flood. What the article you quoted says it was plate tectonics not a flood that caused the fossils to be on such highlands.

Dtruthspeaker:
Thank God you used salt and sugar for even without deep search everyone knows that there are different types of Salts and Sugars.

But when we say salt, we understand that everyone will have table salt in mind and not acidic or industrial salt.

Same for sugar.

Thus, it is very clear and understandable.

Good. Now relate it to dust and the molecules from a decomposed body.

Dtruthspeaker:
I really did not care to find out the different parts and types of dust molecules as they may be distinct from each other. I am satisfied with stopping on this dust, I mean ground.

So how can you say it is the same when you don't know what it consists of? It's like someone saying salt and sugar are the same because they are both white and granular.

Dtruthspeaker:
Dust too is a molecular!

Molecules of what?

Image123:
Science clearly confirms that marine fossils are found on the tops of the highest mountains. The presence of limestone and ocean marine fossils at the top of these mountains is one of the key pieces of evidence cited that advanced the idea of plate tectonics.

So how does this support that "Sedimentary layers show flooding as very possible"?

Dtruthspeaker:
Forensic Analysis is done on REMAINS! (LEFT BEHINDS)

which means WHERE DID THE REST GO?

The rest have decomposed into more simpler molecules which can still be analysed.

Dtruthspeaker:
When graves of all the things made from dusts are dug up eg persons, animals, trees are dug up, you find only dust.

In fact the easiest proof is we all see that when dead rats are discovered, (those dead and dried) we see they dust up and dissolve into dust when our fingers touch them.

And we have all seen these things and without a doubt we all remembered that the Bible did say that we are made from the earth and its dust thereof.

If it was the case then it would be virtually impossible to carry out forensic analysis on dead bodies yet it is done relatively frequently.

Speaklove:
Entertaining ?
How long will you chose this path ?
How long before you perceive and understand ?
Do you think I will just made up these just to entertain somebody ?

If my goal was to entertain somebody why would I waste my time and energy on this ?
Do you know how much labor it takes to preach to people the council of God ?
I don't gain any material from anybody on this platform ,so what do you think should be my motivation ?

My motivation is "THE TRUTH "
I know it's hard to believe when there is always room for doubt ;I am also learning to believe somethings and obey ,but doubt keep getting on my way and i end up not yielding .

Many Christian are like you in certain ways in their walk with God ;they couldn't see God yet he claimed to be speaking to them ;how do you believe in a God Whom you do not see visible or hear audibly ?
it's difficult my friend ,and we all seek for something tangible to convict us like you've did with me .
But the truth is truth and I know the truth but how do I believe it is the truth ?
That's the problem !

If you chose to wait from now till forever there still will always be room to doubt the truth of God .
They are spiritually discern ,not carnally received .

We want to see visibly and hear audibly before we believe a thing
But Jesus said to Thomas
John 20:29
[29]Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

But lord Jesus it is hard to believe you without seeing visibly or hearing you audibly .

he said "to believe you need faith "
Okay ! Lord tell me what is faith ?

He said " FAITH IS NOT THE ABSENT OF DOUBT BUT THE ABILITY TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU COULD HAVE DOUBT ."

So friend:
there will always be room for doubt .
My dear lordreed you are my friend ,and I agree with you that it is hard to believe in God whom you can not see .

I have the privilege to see Jesus in my life
Not everyone had that opportunity ;it is priceless and it settled my mind from doubting his existence ,it helped me believe so much that he is indeed God .

I know that if I'm in your shoes I could maybe be saying worse than you're saying today ,and could doubt if God ever existed more than your doing today .
And I also know that if you had the privilege of seeing Jesus as I had maybe you could be better than me in faith ,and might be doing well than I'm doing to see that people believe in his existence .

My faith in him to some certain extent is based on encounter and not just hearing the gospel preached to me .
Many Christians preached to me while I was a Muslim but I thought they don't know what they were saying .
They have being decieved by Satan ,and are spreading falsehood I thought ,and their lifestyle irritates me so much that I can't believe their God to be the true God .

But along the line mercy found me ,and grace spoke for me .
He showed up by himself in my life .
The same person I denied showed up in my dream .
I also Saw him standing before me in a way I can't really explain adequately .
I've seen hell and myself in it in a dream a white robe .
I have seen demon came out of me in a revelational dream .
I have had different spiritual experiences by God's grace
I have many things to say but your may not be able to bear them or your heart may not be yielding enough to recieve what i have to say.

When people claim i speak lie and rubbish ,when they insult me for whtat i preach i bear with them sometimes because i understand how it felt to be told what is to big for your brain to decipher or your mind to comprehend on it own .

I am learning to believe what the spirit of jesus that is in my spirit says and not doubt .
I am still learning to obey .
Even the lord learnt to obey and he suffred for it and becuse of it .
As it is written of him
Hebrews 5:8-9
[8]though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
[9]And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

But if there is anything that i believe firmly and gave no space for doubt it is that :
There is heaven .
There is hell .
Then it is that there is God .
The true God is Jesus .
No one can be saved from eternal damnation in hell except those who put faith in the finish works of Jesus Christ by confessing with their mouth that they believe he died for their sins ,rose up the third day and is alive forever .

My friend I didnt write these to entertain you because it took time and lab our to pen these down .
I wrote this to help you believe even though I know very well that it is hard to have faith and believe because

'FAITH IS NOT THE ABSENT OF DOUBT BUT THE ABILITY TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU COULD HAVE DOUBT."

Not really a choice when there is no evidence to convince me otherwise but hey don't worry about me, go on with your message. LoLz.

Dtruthspeaker:
Without even links, the decomposition of the dead bodies proves it, even when they are buried in containers.

How does the the decomposition of bodies prove it?

PastorMIsBack:
You do know that the language back then is not English and the Bible was translated and it's very difficult to get the exact language? I'm pretty sure you know this. I'm pretty dayum sure

People back then who had never seen an aeroplane would not know how to describe it nor explain it nor have the word for it.

Let's not be pedantic my friend

It doesn't matter what the language is/was, omi and water refer to the same thing. So again was the dust in the Bible referring to stardust?

PastorMIsBack:
https://www.physicscentral.com/explore/poster-stardust.cfm

There's a tonne of information on this site. It may or may not answer your question

An extract:
The human body is about 60% water and hydrogen only accounts for 11% of that water mass. Even though water consists of two hydrogen atoms for every oxygen, hydrogen has much less mass. We can conclude that 93% of the mass in our body is stardust.

Stardust is a scientific term referring to refractory dust grains.

So the bible was referring to stardust?

Image123:
You need a science paper that says marine fossils are found on mountains or that show the chemical compositions of Earth and the human body? Isn't that the root of the "discussion" in the first place? When i say science confirms, that's what i refer to and these are in consonance with the Bible.
Deductions are varying as you well know. i have no reason or motivation to look for a deduction that agrees with me only for you to leave the deduction and try discrediting the source/messenger. If your definition of adult discussion is rigmarole, count me out, i am just an embryo.

Yes I do. You can't claim science confirms something then expect me to accept it without showing the source of your claim. It doesn't matter what the deductions are, the data will be the same. So once again please link the scientific papers that support your claim.

BuhBye:
A friend said Access charged him 557.5/$

When was this? I called them 2 weeks ago and it was N490/$.

Image123:
That would have been a waste of my time because you would only look for how to discredit the paper or link or messenger. Why should we waste such time? Face the basics given. Scientific studies and conclusions change like every decade, lol.

Link it first then we can discuss whether or not it validates your statement. You can't say science confirms something then when asked for the evidence backtrack with some sly refusal. Link the scientific papers let's discuss it like adults.

Image123:
Both, great. Moses without entering any laboratory, looking at any microscope, knowing any periodic table or climbing Mt. Everest wrote accurately that man was created from the Earth crust and that there was a global flood. That is most astounding given the fact that educated professors are still agreeing to ideas till tomorrow to explain these two "puzzles". For instance, they have found marine fossils several times now on very high levels and points of the Earth. This is basic and obviously corroborates the flood story of Genesis and the earlier stance of science that there were previous ag[b]es[/b] (Ice Age and co) when Earth covered by Ice or water.
Now, they push unproven deductions, theories and ideas like ridiculosly saying animals/predators ate the marine animals and deposited them high up, or the more sensible but still unproven one that the ocean floor pushed up to the height of Mt. Everest. So of course, it again boils down to all of us using our faith to choose. Trust science not to choose the Bible and other religious book option for obvious reasons.
Like i stated, the base established fact that confirms is the presence of fossils not the deductions. Scientific deductions are known to change due to further research or "new" findings.

As for man's chemical composition i.e the human body. That is the science confirmation i referred to BTW. The similarities are quite clear. Oxygen tops the two. When you consider the addition of breathe (CO2) where the bulk of carbon probably came from, and the use of water/liquid in moulding, it easily balances.
Of course, i don't expect you to agree as that would destroy your foundations. You may now begin the rigmarole.

The request was link the scientific papers confirming these. You said science has confirmed them, show where and how by linking the scientific papers that detail the confirmation.

Image123:
Which one? "This or these"

These.

Image123:
Two things science confirms. Our body composition is very similar to earth. Sedimentary layers show flooding as very possible.

Link the scientific papers that confirm this.

shortgun:
1.I don't want to believe you will trust a system that is riddled with mistakes, errors and inaccuracies. For anyone to trust a system, the system must have been proven to be accurate, error proof..e.t.c
Trust has a lot to do with making mistakes or not.

Trust has nothing to do with the ABILITY to make mistakes or the ability correct errors which you don't seem to be able to grasp or just enjoy being stubborn.

I don't also want to believe you will submit yourself for surgery to a surgeon who is known to be undergoing training or refinement and who has a record of fatal mistakes in the past.

When you have a medical emergency don't allow a fallible doctor treat you, wait for one that is infallible.

2. Your answers are wrong cos they are based on misconceptions and assumptions.

Misconceptions and assumptions you have failed to show.

You can't tell the world there are 9 planets in our solar system, teach it in schools, base researches on 9 planets less than 20 years ago and now turn around to say there are now 8 planets.
What's the guarantee that the planets in our solar system will remain 8 in the next 20 years?....as far as we all know they are misconceptions.

LoLz! You just inexplicably stuck in the past. I have school age children and they don't teach them there are 9 planets. Here is from a kids school work website:

Top 10 facts

2.There are eight planets that orbit around the Sun.

https://www.theschoolrun.com/homework-help/solar-system

For some reason you want to be stuck in the past while everyone else is moving on. That is stubbornness with no benefit.

3. I will insist the onus is on you cos people that don't believe in God thinks they know all the answers and have all the explanation and there is no need for a God anywhere.

Where did I say I have all the explanations? LoLz. You know why you employ this tactic because you know whatever you hold as evidence for your god is easily debunked. You aren't the first to employ such tactics. You deflect from the real issue because your cards are poor.

If you can't explain it all nor have all the answers or explain it with false information like the Mercator projection of the world map that is accepted everywhere which depicts Greenland as bigger than Africa when in reality Africa is 14 times larger than Greenland!.

LoLz. This is the easiest thing to clear up. I am still laughing at how you with all the power of the Internet at your disposal is hung up on such easily dealt with trivialities. Have you ever tried taking a ball with all the air out and tried to flatten it, it is an impossible task because 3d shapes cannot become 2d without distortion. Mapping a 3d spherical earth unto a 2d map must introduce distortion for the same reason and these distortions are accounted for in practical terms like with the use of GPS.

This creates a vacuum which must be filled, it creates a question that must be answered, it means the explanation is beyond logical explanation as we know it and the only logical answer is:
God exists!

LoLz. This called argument from ignorance: I don't know therefore god. Might as well believe that there as many gods humans have ever come up with why be stuck on one. Oh right this one is your favorite concept of a god. SMH.

Which kine yeye pilot programme was going to cost 3.7 billion? Amechi is not serious.

1. To see if man was really created from dust.

2. To see if there really was a flood.

bigpicture001:
Met this lady recently, and I have been single for over 12 months now. We chatted , and from different conversation, it turns outs she usually dump guyz stating one fault or the other

Now the problem is she took her immidaite past guy to court citing threat to life. When she showed me the text message that she said was threat to life, although he made mention of acid bathing and knives stabbing, but he refered it to what happens in messy ended relationship where the dumper makes the dumper looks small and like a a shit..... He begged her to desist from making a mess of her dumping him so they don't get to the news with bad report.. ND he added God forbid.

She confessed the guy is not anything close to violence, but my concern now is that she dumps people up nd down ND now has tasted the evil called judiciary in relationship matters....she works and earn quite well

Will it be okay to continue with such girl..?

Sounds like a giant red flag to me. Someone who habitually dumps people is not a good candidate for long term relationship.

shortgun:
I've looked it up.... Fallible: capable of making mistakes or being wrong.
So what's your point

Your answers were wrong and not acceptable.
People who believes in the existence of God never claim to know it all but rather submit themselves to the omnipotent nature of God for guidance and direction, the onus is on you that don't believe in the existence of God to give logical explanation to phenomena in the world, it's a mockery of your believe when you fail in this regard.

Let's keep this discussion civil moving on pls.

The point is trust doesn't mean mistakes can't be made or that because something is able to make mistakes it can't be trusted. The knowledge we possess is always in the process of refinement and we can see it. The device you are using to respond to me did not first get invented in form you now possess and along the way mistakes were made in the process of getting it to this current form, yet you trust it to correctly convey the words you are typing.

You should produce the evidence that shows my answers are wrong.

No, the onus is not one me to logically explain the world because I don't believe in your god, one thing has nothing to do with the other. If your god exists then it exists whether or not I know anything about the world. Rather the onus is on you to show me that your god exists.

You keep it civil because it was you who started with mentioning ignorance. Don't come riding on a high horse when you start becoming uncivil.

Dtruthspeaker:
Change Of Post! Chai! You don fall so tay you don turn to Change of Post Master General

Meen, you don finish!

LoLz. Not here for your childish games. Find the nearest playground.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is you who said what I addressed.

If it is not important then tell your follow god believer not to ask the question since your god cannot provide the information.

Dtruthspeaker:
Simple good Sense tells us "We do not need it.

If there are 101 planets surrounding our House's Compound commonly called solar system, we can not change it to make our lives better by adding one more planet to make it 102 or removing one more to make it 100.

They shall still have power over us.

The sun is up here in Nigeria and hot even with our air-conditioners, The snow is killing in Pennsylvania even with heaters.

But the important one that can directly make our lives sweeter, easier and gooder, or pain filled and hellish eg don't steal, don't cheat, be fair and just, avoid harming others etc God verily told us.

So, No Road!

Go and tell the person asking the question. LoLz.

shortgun:
In your words the knowledge you have is fallible, meaning it can't be trusted, makes me wonder why you choose to hold on to something that can not be trusted, things that have been proven to be misleading, full of errors and inaccuracies.
An ignorant person is someone who knows that he knows nothing and still choose to hold on to it.

Don't you think your believe that God doesn't exist is another fallible knowledge?
Another error in your "knowledge"?
Another of the "knowledge" you have that will be "updated" or "corrected" in the future?
You don't believe God exists, I don't have any problems with that.
Why is it a problem to you that I believe God exists?
Until the knowledge you have is infallible.
God exists!

You have the power of the internet and you cannot even look up the meaning of fallible. Look it up and then we can discuss, don't discuss from a position of ignorance.

LoLz! See how you changed the goal post from if you can't answer these questions to your knowledge has to be infallible. Shows you know you got upstaged by your own ignorance.