NNTR: Unfortunately for you, there's zero when counting generations.
When you count from Adam, then Enoch is sixth from Adam and not seventh from Adam, as it is, Methuselah, who is seventh from Adam
Adam, for your info, is from zero generation, meaning, was not generated from a human being before him
Kk, now tell, what is considered 1st generation American or 1st generation Briton?
If you never claimed that Enoch wrote the BoE, then you're squared with me and its all good.
I have extensively shared what or where the source is from. Also prior have shared that the reason why the BoE wasnt accepted qualified to be in the bible canon, just as well, why the Book of A&E (i.e. the Book of Adam and Eve,) Book of Noah, Jubilees, BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher) etc
Of course, Jesus returning with the saints, is not false teaching (i.e. Jude 1:14b is not false). It isnt Jude 1:14b that disqualified the BoE making it into to Canon
You'll be surprised, I read all religious texts, whether be in the canon, be apocrypha and pseudepigrapha, be Quran, be Odu Ifa and whatnot
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
I dunno where you got your chart from. BTW counting generations has nothing to do with whether you were born by humans, it is a reference scheme and you are the only person I have ever heard say there is a generation zero.
Apart from the joy of communing with one's Heavenly Father in Christ, Jesus the Son... another lesson to be gleaned from prayer is humility.
The fact that GOD has made provision for humankind to be reconciled back to Himself through Himself in the person of the Lord Jesus, the Christ - our great High Priest (Hebrews 2:17, 3:1, 4:14-15, 5:5, 6:20, 7)... to be able in faith and Truth to "come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." - Hebrews 4:16... is a big deal!!!
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"Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due time" - 1 Peter 5:6 (James 4:10)
The god concept is always needlessly complicated. You have a god that can read minds and knows all but wants to behave like a diva and have you grovel all the time just to have you sycophantically chanting his name. I don't think you critically take a look at these concepts but I understand, you have to accept it to continue to believe it.
NNTR: 1 Corinthians 15:33-34 '33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good morals.” 34Be sober-minded [be sensible, wake up from your spiritual stupor] as you ought, and stop sinning; for some [of you] have no knowledge of God [you are disgracefully ignorant of Him, and ignore His truths]. I say this to your shame.'
Acts 17:28 'For in Him we live and move and exist [that is, in Him we actually have our being], as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’
Titus 1:12 'One of them [Epimenides, a Cretan], a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”'
0 Adam 1 Seth 2 Enos 3 Cainan 4 Mahalaleel 5 Jared 6 Enoch 7 Methuselah
When I count the generations, Enoch is sixth from Adam so, the entry in the BoE, that Enoch is 7th from Adam, is self-contradictory, a deliberate inconsistency, conspicuous deviation from the truth and in fact a brazenly obvious error
The Bible nor Jude, in regards to Enoch, who obviously is 6th from Adam and not 7th from Adam, never said that any Enoch ever wrote any book(s).
Yes, of course, there's a BoE, book of Enoch, but there's no evidence that, supports its written by the Enoch, who biblically speaking, is 6th from Adam. So please accept that the fabled Enoch, that is 7th from Adam, in the fictitious world of literature, is who's mentioned in the BoE and not the biblical 6th from Adam and genuine Enoch, who was the father of Methuselah
Now, with that said, I am sure you are aware that Apostle Paul quoted all over the Bible, works from a bit of few famous Greek dramatists, heathen writers, philosophers, poets, etc, and I am talking here, about the likes of Menander, Aratus, Plato, even Epimenides and etc
In that one verse, you see in 1 Corinthians 15:33 above, is maxim taken from one of the writings of the aforementioned Greek dramatist Menander, Acts 17:28. Apostle Paul, included it to undoubtedly make a point about false and insincere teachers who were denying the truth of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The line 'Bad company ruins good morals' are found in the classical play and lost comedy 'Thais' by Menander (i.e. go check, Thais 218, for this)
The first part of Acts 17:28 as seen above, was adopted from 'Cretica' by Epimenides, while the second part of the verse was gleaned from 'Hymn to Zeus', written by the Cilician poet Aratus. Of course, both of those lines were originally directed at the god, Zeus, in Greek literature, but it didnt stop Apostle Paul from using the excerpts, in making a point and case with them about God
As for Titus 1:12 and we know that the 'prophet' in that verse, is Epimenides, as he's identified, as such, in 'Stromata' by Clement of Alexandria (i.e. Stromata, i. 14) Now, Epimenides considered Zeus immortal, but the Cretans say that Zeus was mortal hence Epimenides' penned sentiment that 'Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons'
You see, I can go on to show you more, references and quotes published in the bible from heathen writers, poets, dramatist, fantasy books, philosophers etc and none of these literary works made them qualify or gain recognition for addition to biblical canon.
I quote you often, even when I dont necessarily believe the authenticity of your material, and so, its necessity many times that requires, me have to do so, most especially when its about having to make or stress a point. It is the same thing what happened with Apostle Jude in regards to Jude 1:14-15, he made reference to the BoE, in order to correct the pervaded false teachings spread by speculations, inaccurate description(s) and misrepresentations, done on purpose in such books as the BoE, even the Book of Noah
So, you now know why, the BoE wasnt accepted qualified to be in the bible canon, just as well, why the Book of A&E (i.e. the Book of Adam and Eve,) Book of Noah, Jubilees, BoJ (i.e. the Book of Jasher) etc
I have to wonder if you actually know that it is only a gullible who'll read, believe, fall and swallow hook, line and sinker the fake BoE story or any of the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books for that matter.
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Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
There is nothing like zero when counting generations. Adam is the first Noah the seventh.
I never claimed that Enoch wrote the BoE, the question was where did the quote come from and specifically to our chain of discussion why is the book the quote is taken from not canon when the one that quotes it is canon. You claimed that Jude was exposing false teachings and I asked you is Jesus returning with the saints is false teaching, you refused to answer but now have come back with what I can only describe as off point.
LoLz the guy who takes the book of Revelation seriously is telling me "only a gullible who'll read, believe, fall and swallow hook, line and sinker the fake BoE story or any of the other apocrypha and pseudepigrapha books for that matter". How are you any better? Bwahahahahaha! Dude you are all in the same boat as far as I am concerned. You are not more special than those who read and believe any other religious text.
TkhGuy: I can't marry a girl who doesn't trust me, or projects condom forward just at the point of having Bleep with her,
Wait you think a girl asking for safe sex doesn't trust you? That is one of the most arse backwards things I ever heard. Then when she gets pregnant you'd be the one demanding abortion. Use your head to think not your dick.
Hanibbal: Even if he is not coming back. One thing is certain, it is called death and it can happen anytime. I don't discuss rapture while on evangelism the message of rapture is for those who are in the faith as most unbelievers can't comprehend it. So I use a realistic thing that happens around them everyday which is death and let them know life does not end here.
What evidence do you have that death is not the end?
Noah must have been a fun type of preacher of righteousness, the type that right after preaching fire and brimstone will sit down with you to finish a nice bottle of chilled wine. LoLz.
Janosky: Are your fellow atheists immune to the statutory rape pandemic? Do you have the liver to stomach the 96% pandemic of child abuse of 3 deities Polytheists indicted by the Australian Royal Commission? A paltry 1.7% is causing the motley crew of atheists & 3 deities worshippers to lose sleep whereas the stench in their midst is obnoxious.
Nonsense!
LoLz! That bit of statistic won't save you, your cult is a tiny part of the world's population. At 8+million of you, you make up roughly 0.114% of the world population and in Australia you make up roughly 0.2% of the population. So 0.2% is responsible for 1.7% of child abuse cases means you must be breeding child molesters. LoLz.
Oh and btw no atheists are not immune to any crime but we don't go around knock on people's doors to tell them how special we are do we. Bwahahahahaha!
NNTR: When I say that the BoE is a fantasy novel that is on a par with 'The Da Vinci Code' because you dont want to appreciate the similar levels of speculations, inaccurate description(s) and misrepresentations, done on purpose by both authors, in their respective the BoE and 'The Da Vinci Code'
Now, if you dont mind, kindly please show us where the Bible corroborated the BoE' account, the brazenly obvious error, that Enoch is seventh from Adam.
Once you have given that answer, we can go on to start exploring other holes just as Jude, too did in Jude 14 or with it
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Count the generations from Adam to Enoch:
1 Adam 2 Seth 3 Enos 4 Cainan 5 Mahalaleel 6 Jared 7 Enoch
I have to wonder if you actually read the bible. LoLz.
Image123: This is plain ostrich behavior. It's primary school knowledge that Canaanites are not Israelites. How can a study of Canaanites prove or disprove Israelites. A vague study of 93 bones at that. Stop wasting faith on the ridiculous.
Unlike you I do state clearly that it is a speculation.
Cyntie55: Why are countries not sanctioning Ukraine? Please note I'm not supporting Russia, but both countries are destroying innocent lives and properties.
So, why sanctioning only Russia, and portray Ukraine as Saint? If you claim Ukrainians are defending her mother's land, so do you expect Russians to be looking like mumu? They should sanctions both countries.
Let's say No to war.
Why would they sanction the defender in an unreasonable Invasion?
Idaytesj29: I honestly do not want or pray that this situation escalates, cos it will be a doomsday thing. But only that escalation will tell us who is supporting who and who is ready to call her army in support of who. China had been a long term friend of the Soviets or Russia, as its stand, nothing or not much has changed about that. In fact, China stated recently that relations between Moscow and Beijing is rock solid.
So, US and NATO are free to do whatever with Russia. They should go ahead and bomb her, its evident Moscow wouldn't stop the pursuit of her interest. All the West can send their troop and missiles to Russia, assasinate Putin or bomb Moscow. Atleast they have the capacity to do so and does not need anyone's permission for that to be done. "Level this overrated, economically decimated, militarily weakened Russia and kill the crazy dictator Putin with their superior western firepower, sanctions, connections etc" As Russia is an Isolated, and hated entity of a state around the world, no country will aid or support her, it will Russia against the world, in fact her citizens hates her and even carry arms and fight against her in support of NATO and US.
[/b]Unless, Ukraine agrees to terms which are withdraw NATO membership intention, Cede Crimea to Russia, approve independence of Donbass and surrender To Russia. The crisis will not abate, no matter what US and the West do. It will be deadlocked. War or no war, intervention or not, sanctions or not.[b]
KnownUnknown: The study doesn’t suggest that the Hebrew or people who later referred to themselves as Hebrew did not migrate from and into Egypt. The period covered is the Bronze Age (3300bc - 1200bc) and the exodus would have been close to the tail end of this period at the beginning of the Iron Age ( From what I have found, the period could be between 1200bc - 1194bc when the pharaohs named Seti II and Amenmesse had conflicting claims to the throne and there was turmoil including disease in Egypt) . Also, the area we are talking about is Mesopotamia and migrations into and out of it. Even if the migrations was done by their forebears, it doesn’t mean it stopped with their forebears.
The study suggests that the Canaanites the likely forebears of the Hebrew came from Mesopotamia not Egypt. If they were from Egypt then the DNA evidence would link them to Egypt not to Mesopotamia.
NNTR: There are at least 3-4 variants of it, I just wasnt bothered being exact or precise
Please re-paste the quote, in contention, here for me to see again. Thanks
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
Jude 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Idaytesj29: These are calculations. You can only count on what's done already. Relations are volatile at the moment. You don't know which alliance will stand the test of time or change with period. A new world order or a bipolar international system might just be upon us at the moment
Indeed but by all calculations the Western alliance got stronger while Russia got knocked down several pegs and has no strong alliance aside from Belarus and Chechnya who are basically vassal states to Putin. Even China is look into the Russia situation like a vulture looking at a diseased cow not as an ally.
Idaytesj29: Neither will it for the West too. They will all go home counting their gains and losses.
It will for the West because they are standing together. Look at it all the non aligned countries close to Russia are now strongly considering joining NATO. Also the Euro will come out stronger.
Idaytesj29: Well, all the events are live. Let's watch as it unfolds. But this current situation will challenge and shake the world and probably change some things we use to know
It will but it won't be a net positive for Russia.
MindHacker9009: There was a Greek empire which Israel was part of hence the translation of the scriptures to Greek. If you don't agree then show your source of reference as to why you disagree rather than showing your low IQ.
When the NT was written the Greeks were not in ascendancy in the Levant so it was not translated into Greek but written (mostly) directly in Greek.
KnownUnknown: Yes, they are recountings by people centuries after the fact. However, what they are recounting is within the bounds of reason and do not include supernatural claims. Also, the Canaanite recounting also includes claims of people who migrated into the area. If the spins don’t include the supernatural, they could very well contain more than a few nuggets of truth. The yorubas claim they migrated from “Mecca” or the east, and I don’t see why that is farfetched because people have been migrated willingly and often unwillingly since the dawn of time. The igbos claiming to be Jews are another story entirely.
Also, a lot of ancient history is told in mythical fashion so the recounting could be the truth undergirding the fiction. I don’t see why they couldn’t have migrated.
Also, the evidence that Israelites were really canaanites is as valid as the recounting because it is not incontrovertible.
I don't say there was no migration, I say the migration wasn't done by the Hebrew. If there was it was done by their cultural forebears and it is not likely from Egypt, more likely from Mesopotamia.
NNTR: No it isnt. Where is the consistency? Note before you answer that Apostle Jude was parroting what Apostle Peter had written earlier before him
I already said that why, which is that the BoE is a circa 4th century a la Dan Brown version of the 'The Da Vinci Code'
The BoE is nothing other than a fantasy novel. Telltale signs gives it away to be just that and so, is just on par with 'The Da Vinci Code'
Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.
LoL! BoE is not from the 4th century, it is from 300-100 BCE well before Jesus was on the scene. Yes that quote is consisent with your beliefs unless you don't believe Jesus is coming back with his saints.
There was need. China has been making overtures to them to engage in a new regime of international monetary settlements. You think Europe won't have sat up and took notice. I think negotiations would have yielded a no-NATO-for-Ukraine agreement very quickly. He squandered his chance and now they will spitefully call his bluff.
TrueNigerian300: Smart guy that is exactly what Russia is doing and even those that do not have ordinary D in economics are saying it is a bad move. The only solution is for EU not to buy their gas if they truly want to sanction them.
Smart move, bad timing. Should have done this instead of the war, he'd have had less push back. As it is now they are going to wean themselves off Russian energy just to put the screws on.
Idaytesj29: You think they are doing Russia a favor by buying her gas? No. Russian gas is the most reliable for Europe and most directly linked to mainland Europe. Europeans are smart people, they know this already.
Which is why he should have leveraged that to push demand for the Ruble not now that Europe is galvanising itself to wean off Russian energy.
This is what he should have done instead of launching an Invasion with no positive outcome. Now his leverage has faded away, Europe will be even more eager to cut the energy umbilical cord since they already view the energy purchases as funding his war on Ukraine. This is the problem of having yes men surround you all the time, no person to challenge you to critical reasoning and analysis.
Christianity Etc › Re: God Knows What You Want But You Still Need To Ask! by LordReed(m): 9:38pm On Mar 25, 2022
