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StJohnofChrist:
It goes into the part where you were talking about "whatsoever" in the case of healing. And I'm letting you know faith is involved.

Again so? Did what I quote say faith wasn't involved. The question was not about faith but about what your god promised.

StJohnofChrist:
One thing you fail to note is that.
The book you quoted is Matthew by Matthew's Account.
You can't just pick one and conclude.

Follow the train of thoughts. Following the concluding statements. Corroborate, check how many times certain words were used. Check this, check that.

Then you know.

Even science agrees to these methods.
Matthew always laid emphasis on God's healing ability and desire, however, he did not also fail to note that one must have faith in such God for healing to take place. Which is an archetype of how Atheists cannot come to "see" the Existing God because they do not believe such can occur. That's the law of faith. You don't need to feel, see or hear something in alignment with your appealing desires before you have faith.
You just act.

Read my post again, I quoted 4 separate texts from 2 different sources saying the same thing. If you feel that the words don't mean what they mean then that is on you not me, I fulfilled the basic premise of corroboration from your very own bible.

StJohnofChrist:
Good, anyone is anyone. Anyone means anyone.
But that's if anyone chooses to LOOK at the snake.

A person must choose to look at it. It can't be forced. You can't force anyone to look.
You must act by looking(having faith that upon looking you get healed as you've been told).

So? How does that tie into the conversation?

StJohnofChrist:
Okay. But why do atheists misconstrue the bible then. Picking out texts to further magnify their lack of understanding.
Since it's not your job. Ask those whose job you think it is to interpret it to you.

How am I misconstruing the Bible by simply quoting the text? You guys who interpret it are the ones in a position to misconstrue it not someone simply quoting it.

TenQ:
I agree that one cannot have a complete understanding of everything to come to a position. I think my problem is when your position involves sitting on the fence- agnostics sit on the fence.

I don't have any respect for an agnostic-theist for instance.

In the army, generals take positions based on incomplete understanding and act on them. They don't sit on the fence in the time of war. Sitting on the fence is nativity of the greatest order especially when danger is involved.

Do you think (based on the knowledge of Christianity you know) that God will treat Agnostic-theists differently from full atheists?

Hmmm, that is something I never really considered but based on what I know yes their treatment would be different because the bible calls for people to believe not to know. An Agnostic-theist believes but doesn't claim to know while an Agnostic-atheist doesn't believe or claim to know. From my understanding the Agnostic-theist fulfils the condition of belief so he passes the test.

elated177:
If you can't answer the questions upon which the premise of the thread is rested, is there any need commenting?

I will comment on a public forum where I please. Besides I already told you I won't be answering your questions so why are you bellyaching?

EBMedia:
Dad weeps as his son gifts him a car, IgbereTV reports.

See video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94TAf3dx0kc

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXjySMYrQvb/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Lovely. Looking forward to such emotional moments with my kids.

TenQ:
You started with a blank slate about God. You arrived at a position of an Agnostic-atheist with an incomplete understanding of God.

Isn't it more sensible to keep the slate blank until you can truly with understanding be either an ATHEIST or a THEIST.

An agnostic-theist in my opinion is not worth anything. He is driven only by feelings and emotions.

I don't think one can have a complete understanding of anything nor is it required to form opinions. One requires sufficient understanding to form reasonable opinions though. I have sufficient understanding of the god concept to realise I cannot hold any belief in it while at the same time declare I don't know if gods exists or not. This also means I am open to modifying my opinions if my understanding changes.

Check out this painting from the 4th century found in Roman catacombs.

donnie:
Chaldean soldiers are depicted with Hebrew captives in the 11th Century Bristol Psalter.
Are you seeing what I'm seeing?

Pics from Faculty of Asian and Middle Eastern Studies, University of Cambridge.
https://www.ames.cam.ac.uk/chaldean-soldiers-hebrew-captives

#shabbatshalom

#AwakeOIsrael

Interesting.

chubbyswit:
Then crawl back to your atheist shell

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TenQ:
So, you are basing an important decision on an incomplete understanding?

Wouldn't that be a form of BELIEVE?

Incomplete understanding of what?

elated177:
What brought you here, then?

To share the knowledge that the animal kingdom has homosexuality all throughout it. If homosexuality is not natural who taught the animals to be homosexuals?

Ebonygeek:
I wanna get as many people's opinions on this as possible.

I always see a lot of online bullying being meted out on athletic women.

So i wanna know because I'm a fitness enthusiast myself.

Do you find physically fit women attractive? Like do you see yourself being with one for the long-term?

The 1st and 3rd stand out to me.

elated177:
Take it from this angle, Reed. If homosexuality is naturall, if nature actually designed two females to have sex with each other, why does the event at question 1 occur? Leave the issues of other animals aside first. I may talk about them later.

You are asking me a question? I really hope you don't expect an answer. LoL

TenQ:
Shouldn't you be a full atheist rather than agnostic if your understanding is now perfect?

Where did I say my understanding is perfect? Why do you keep saying I said things I obviously didn't?

Corea4king:
LordReed

So you have your answer. You won't be here to see any changes


Humans have also been in existence for over million years now,how come there is no transformation yet.Although,all these things are theory from guessing work. It can never be fact and thats why I don't pay much attention to most scientific views especially one that is not Standard

Modern humans have only been around for 200,000years. You obviously don't know the meaning of theory as relates to science. There is no guesswork involved, it is firmly established with evidence not guesswork.

jesusjnr2020:
It has been the same scammer all the while oh who's now posing as a good Christian, now lol!

Yet he still no allow the Mobilia rest even with her new moniker, Eviana.

You can go through some of her threads to confirm this as least you'd know him from his speech pattern and mannerism.

OMFD! LMFAO! He is still on her case? Andromeda have mercy. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Tetehjewels:
He has given up since he knows he knows nothing about Scripture beyond copy and paste.

Imagine arguing the Bible with someone who has zero knowledge of the Bible.

Na wa o. The desperation of atheists is on another level. They will even throw their own foolishness into an argument and claim that it is a point

LMFAO! See me see projection. You are the one desperate to show how the bible doesn't mean what it says. Whatsoever doesn't mean whatsoever and anyone doesn't mean anyone. Bwahahahahahahaha!

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Tetehjewels:
Typical of an atheist. When cornered you start throwing subs and laughing with every comment you make just to cover up for your embarrassment.

You keep muddling things for yourself.

Now you say you just posted the scripture as you saw it without editing yet you also said it's not your job to interpret scripture.

Are you then saying you posted foolishly because surely everyone knows the scriptures are given by God and are foolishness to your kind. This means it would make absolutely no sense to you. Knowing this, why then did you choose to still go ahead to post foolishly?

Finish the very little assignment I gave you. At least even you would use that to test out just how well you know your Bible. Go ahead

LMFAO! Bible editor, weh done sir!

No, I am not answering your "assignment" now sue me. LMFAO!

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jesusjnr2020:
Sorry it was the wrong link I mistakenly gave you.

Here's the actual thread link: https://www.nairaland.com/4823536/regrets

He used the moniker @privettoall there and has since deactivated the account.

Here are also some of Lordreed's comments to him on that thread:

Are you serious it's the same guy? LMFAO!

Tetehjewels:
Running away all of a sudden? Clearly you do not seek knowledge or understanding. You only seek to argue blindly without assimilating anything in the process

LMFAO! Oh now you know not answering questions is running away right but you refused to answer mine but you want to demand answers from me. What a laugh. Bwahahahahahahaha!

Tetehjewels:
It is not your job to interpret scriptures yet you were so sure of the ones you posted earlier.

How then did you manage to interpret those ones since suddenly it is now not your job to do so.

Are you giving up and admitting that you are indeed not equipped to neither understand nor interpret scripture?

God is not shifty. You are the one being shifty so far and lacking the ability to reply a straight assignment

I didn't interpret what I posted. I posted direct copies of bible text with no editorialising. If you decide that your god's words need to be editorialised in other to make sense to you that is your cup of tea. Just realise every time you do that you make your god sound like a dumbarse. That one is not my fault. LMFAO!

Image123:
This argument remains moot. We are not animals. It's like saying some animals are carnivores or they move naked and behave animalistic so we should because it's their nature. A born cheat, liar, thief, pedophile or homo should be corrected.

The argument is homosexuality is natural, it is found in virtually every social specie on the planet. Nobody is arguing that because animals do it therefore humans should, that one is coming from your imagination.

elated177:
Mtcheeeeew! I thought the two "male" penguins actually had sex with each.

Just look at how that lady in the video was beaming over an inconsequential thing.

Reed, just answer the questions.

If homosexuality is not natural who taught the penguins?

Oh yeah I forgot, I am not answering your questions.

Tetehjewels:
This was not what I asked from you.

Finish the assignment before I expose your serious inadequacy when it comes to scriptures

Oh bosh. Go and answer the questions I directed at you. You have the gall to demand answers from me, you must be on a long thing. LMFAO!

Tetehjewels:
Again you are wrong. I am basically telling you that you are in no way equipped to spiritually decipher anything the Bible says because the same Bible says in James 1:5-8

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

You are in that category of a man who is unstable in ALL your ways because you are double minded. Surely the revelation in the word of God is not for your kind. To you it is like a story book and death but to the spiritual it is life.

Trying to laugh it off wouldn't help you because you are sorely ill equipped in every way.

I am waiting for your response to the assignment I gave you

Dude, not my problem. Its not my job to interpret your bible. He asked a question I provided answers. If you want to say your god is a shifty character that's on you not me. LMFAO!

Tetehjewels:
Let me give you a little test to prove what I just said.

This is the book of Numbers 21:4-9

Read it and interpret it to me by trying to link it to your quoted scriptures as well as to the new testament happenings.


4 They traveled from Mount Hor(H) along the route to the Red Sea,[c](I) to go around Edom.(J) But the people grew impatient on the way;(K) 5 they spoke against God(L) and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt(M) to die in the wilderness?(N) There is no bread! There is no water!(O) And we detest this miserable food!”(P)

6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes(Q) among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.(R) 7 The people came to Moses(S) and said, “We sinned(T) when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord(U) will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed(V) for the people.

8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole;(W) anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake(X) and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.(Y)

8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole;(W) anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake(X) and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.

Or does anyone not mean anyone as well? LMFAO!

Tetehjewels:
Again you just killed your own argument. This is the thing with you atheists you read things by literally assuming the Bible to be a story book when it is more spiritual and faith based than anything else in this world.

You erroneously use your extremely limited mental depth on spiritual issues with zero faith level to judge the issues and words from a spiritual book which is loaded with faith.

Is it so hard for you to see you lost even before you began the argument? Your entire premise is wrong so you failed even before you began.

Stop trying to read or understand the Bible as if it were some set of scientific experiments laid out in writing. Do this and keep failing.

LMFAO! How is it my problem if you think your bible is not straightforward. You are basically telling me that whatsoever doesn't mean whatsoever so your god's words don't mean what they say, they mean what you say, in effect making your god a liar. Not my problem buddy. Bwahahahahahaha!

Corea4king:
LordReed

And how many years did those changes take


Million years(theory)

So you have your answer. You won't be here to see any changes.

Image123:
You're cherry picking scriptures like a comedian. Anyone with knowledge of the Word of God knows that prayers are answered in line with the will of God, word of God and knowledge. The same Bible proves in different places that not all sickness are healed. Paul is a chief example, stop goofing.

LMFAO! So the god is a liar now. The god says whatsoever you pray for in no less than 3 places but sure some other scripture makes your god a liar. Bwahahahahaha! OMFD!

Tetehjewels:
You just indicted yourself with these scriptures and supported image123.

He said it is based on ones personal position and convictions and his prayer of faith got him result because clearly he believed unlike your criteria.

Besides when scripture is applied wrongly it would fail. Not all sicknesses and diseases get healed especially when the one asking is doubtful or applying it wrongly.

You just killed your own argument

LoL! Read again:

Image123:
The Omnipotent didn't promise you to heal all your sickness, did He?

Then read:

LordReed:
Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18:18
Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 21:22
And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Apparently your omnipotent god promised whatsoever.