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Hismasterpiece:
Nope

Then it is pointless for the god to wait and standby while people suffer.

Image123:
This keeps propping up from unbelievers. If you argue that it ever happened that God killed babies, what stops you from going all the way to the destination of the babies after death?

I don't understand your question.

Hismasterpiece:
Like i said before, there is a set day for jusdgement.

Even the people on whom the atrocities are being committed are not innocent (that doesn't mean i'm in support of what's happening to them).

God is waiting patiently for all to repent and turn to Him.

So will a person killed before they had the chance to repent get a chance after their death?

Hismasterpiece:
Even if there isn't any atheist section here it isn't nice the way you guys are always trying to make us look stupid because of what we believe in.

The intent is not to make you look stupid but to point out what we see as faulty reasoning. The faulty reasoning is not you guys fault, its baked into the religion and hard to escape.

Anyways, you need to understand that God is a judge who won't just simply wink at evil but must judge evil and we humans are the evil ones. And you need to view all His actions towards sinful men with that as your foundation.

Why did God kill king David's baby? Simple. What were the actions that led to the birth of the baby? David slept with another man's wife and killed the man. That is a sufficient answer.

What was the baby's crime? Being born? Did it ask to be born? How is it justice to kill the child and leave the people who committed the infraction with no punishment?

Besides David's love child is not the only baby your god purportedly killed. An untold number were killed, how is this good? By what reasonable standard of judgement would you call mass killing children good?

Hismasterpiece:
Can you tell me something else if you don't mind. Something that you know you had no hand in. Something that you know just had to be God.

No. First I don't know what you mean by that since I considered just about every good outcome to be something the god brought about and secondly I don't know what your point is. If the ones I have stated already are not enough for you to make your point then you'll have to find another way to make it.

Hismasterpiece:
You don't need to test that. It is obvious.

The more reasonable queston is which is the true way to God? Islam? Christianity?

A god is not obvious to me. What it means is you didn't test for the existence of a god then, you simply accepted it.

Dtruthspeaker:
Not this time. Now our Manufacturer Himself is coming to Separate Good Products from the Products that have gone bad.

The Good Products get Upgrades, the evil products like you and all your yous get the incinerator!

Even long after I am 6 feet under people like you will still be waiting for your zombie god and the zombie apocalypse. LMAO!

Image123:
You should listen to the points and arguments he makes, not just his belief. He's a pastor and he was preaching to his audience. Should believers stop listening once we hear someone doesn't believe in God? Try to hear him out and give the benefit of doubt.

He's not going to reciprocate so why should I. When somebody tells me there is nothing that can change their mind I tend to let them be. He makes it clear that the fact there are no original manuscripts for the bible doesn't stop him from considering the Bible as supreme.

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not threaten you with death, you put yourselves in the Path that leads to death, like a bike speeding towards a speeding caterpillar, kamikaze style.

As a spectator, I am saying "You gon' die!"

Dtruthspeaker:
We already have the orders to trample you Snakes and Scorpions. Wickednesses in high and low places

Yeah and your god will give you orders to kill me and my children when the time comes. LMFAO! Delusional.

Dtruthspeaker:
We don't need to hunt you. You guys guarantee that you are going to kill one of us.


And when you do, we would have the right to kill you.

You are the only who has been threatening us with death so the idea that we want to kill you is only a reflection of your own machinations.

Dtruthspeaker:
Oh yes, baby snakes, baby scorpions baby evils are all evil things no reasonable person wants in their land.



As I told you in the other thread, man to his fellow man does not have any Authority or Jurisdiction over each other beyond what The Law of God (Nature) has dictated.

Thus, like one phone to another, no phone can take up to himself the Authority to terminate and destroy his fellow phone.

But this does not apply when the Creator and Law Giver has given such others exactly as Steve Jobs giving orders to one iPhone to destroy another iPhone under certain circumstances.

And this is the Jurisdiction derived from The Power of Superior Orders.

Of course! Your god will give you the orders to kill my children. I know. LMAO!

MrBrownJay1:
xtians cant even agree among themselves as there is so many different churches with different rules/laws, while they all read the same holybook.... and now you have the above who read their holybook upside down and is talking like a proper mad person. thats how these cults start, there is one mad man who convinces another mad man and so forth, before you know it, he has brainwashed a few undreds of brainless people.

LoL! You are so right. This is exactly how Scientology started less than 80 years ago and right now is a very powerful religion.

Hismasterpiece:
Is there any other thing that happened in your life in the past that you attributed to God?

Yeah several. I passed my SSCE and JAMB in single sittings, naturally I attributed my success to the god. I prayed for family to become born again and when I got back from school my mum was born again, my father followed sometime later then my siblings after that.

Hismasterpiece:
Testing it to see for myself

Sounds good. How did you test that a god exists for example.

Hismasterpiece:
Lol

I really don't understand what you atheists are always looking for in the religion section.

After all you don't believe in God so logically you shouldn't be reading religious posts

Well there isn't an atheist or philosophy section so we are here.

Anyways, being all good means that you are completely good and there's not even a shred of evil in you.

So why would such an all good being kill babies? Is killing babies good?

MrBrownJay1:
the dude is a lunatic, talking gibberish on NL.... he is truly insane. luckily he is just a nobody and nobody listens to his madness. imagine if all xtians thought like he did?

What a world that would be, they'd be hunting people like you and I to kill our children. Nonsense and ingredients.

Dtruthspeaker:
Simple! Children of snake are snakes, children of scorpions are Scorpions children of evil, are evil.

Ah yes kill people who have done nothing yet because their parents acted in a certain way. Why are we not following this wonderful recommendation in our justice system. If you kill someone we kill you and all your children, so much good!

Image123:
i think you might learn a thing listening to this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1XJ7DeR5fc

I stopped listening when he said the Bible is the supreme authority. If you take a book of which the original manuscripts don't exist and the extant manuscripts have differences as a supreme authority then I think there is no need for further discussion.

Torie8:
Cornflakes with red apple for breakfast.
It actually tastes nice

You should try it with bananas and nuts.
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Dtruthspeaker:
Meaning Good in Every Reasonable Way and Direction you can Reasonably Look And Absence of Any Wrong Doing or Wickedness.

In what reasonable way and direction is slaughtering children good?

Hismasterpiece:
God is ALL GOOD!!!

What does all good mean?

Nothingserious:
You aren’t even any different from the new online/internet atheists that always come with that air of bogus intellectual superiority.
Lol!

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Nothingserious:
Hahaha!
E shock you abi?

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Nothingserious:
Hahaha!
Usual atheist banter. Not surprised a bit.
Pls stop getting angry unnecessarily.
You didn’t build up those arguments. Just keep learning as we all are.
I am a proud Christian.

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Nothingserious:
I like you. But you actually got angry by that statement from the tone of your voice. That’s okay. You are free to label me anything. I believe in God. I believe in Jesus. I believe in the totality of the Bible. I believe in the afterlife. I believe in supernatural phenomena. I am a Christian.

You are an atheist ( even though most atheists don’t agree on what atheism is). It is okay for me to assume that most atheists don’t believe in most of the things I believe in. That makes me relaxed in my engagements with you. They are merely academic. The Holy Spirit is the sole agent for convictions and conversions. So don’t worry about me.

Just for your info. We have heard most of your objections too. And most of your objections have been successful rebuffed at the highest level of scholarship. Lol!

Yep stuck up for sure. Give me a pass will you, not interested.

Nothingserious:
Lol!

There is no prize for this discussion. Why should I be worried that you decline further comments on it? You weren’t born an atheist. You picked up certain info along the way as you grew up and formed your worldview right?

Did you know about the historical Jesus at birth? Did you know about the intellectual objections you are offering to Christianity and the validity of the Biblical claims?
How did you pick up your defenses against the gospels and their historical qualities? Where did you see the actors you believed existed in history? So why should you get angry that I pointed out a very simple and obvious fact that some atheists advised other atheists to concede that Jesus of Nazareth existed as described in the Bible and argue rather on his divinity claims?

Abeg no vex.

I am not angry that you pointed out that i obviously acquired information. I am peeved because you are acting stuck up and prejudiced. I could have blown you off as "one of those bible defending apologist" with nothing new to say but I didn't. You on the other hand are acting like you know it all. You think I haven't heard anything you have to say?

Image123:
Not a new addition, it's there in the Bible. You meet God on His terms not yours. Weak persons don't normally meet powerful people on their own terms, but on the powerful person's terms. He that comes to God MUST believe.Hebrews 11. You would more likely experience and encounter God by faith, not by reasoning. He says "Only believe".

The question remains how do we distinguish between a god operating by faith and what comes naturally? This is the heart of the question.

Of course billions can be wrong. But the fact remains it's a staggering number and phenomenon. There is nothing and no one that compares to it. Like the song, i have never seen a man who rose from death like Jesus Christ. There is no other human being that millions(not to mention billions) of people acclaim to be alive and to have seen and experienced in every century, continent and generation either by vision or dream or a personal radical change encounter. It's continously stunning.

Good, so nobody today has actually seen Jesus physically, they are referring instead to their particular subjective experiences. If you've never seen an animal, plant or being physically how are you able to attribute the term alive to them? Or is the word alive metaphorical?

Nothingserious:
Most of the arguments you make here, you read up somewhere. Your objections skills were honed because you read and listened to other skeptics criticizing the Bible and Christianity. So don’t get over-worker because I said some atheists started believing in the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. That knowledge did not come with you from birth. You gained it from your environment and from others. Please admit that. And the part about skeptics not accepting before now but doing a u-turn is also true. You can’t change that actually.

If you are of the opinion you've heard everything before then why bother having this conversation? I am not going to waste my time with someone with such an attitude.

Crystyano:
I have sent an email

Responded.

Nothingserious:
I appreciate the fact that you acknowledge the historicity of Jesus of Nazareth. That is a step. Most atheists didn’t even want to agree before now until their revered atheists started teaching them to accept that Jesus Christ of Nazareth existed as described in the Bible and in history but asked them to argue about his supernatural claims.

First off I don't revere anyone nor did someone ask me to argue about Jesus' supernatural claims. I don't appreciate people who when I am having a conversation start attributing other peoples motivations or reasoning to my conversation. You're having a discussion with me, keep your responses to what I say not what someone else said.

So it’s normal for more updated skeptics to agree that Jesus lived. The supernatural claims of Jesus are recorded in the Bible and the gospels were historical books first before being added as part of the Bible. Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:3-9 taught about the formula passed down by their tradition on the resurrection of Jesus Christ. History also recorded that there were even some people who performed supernatural actions within Jesus time. That gives credence to the fact that supernatural events can and did happen.

The gospels were never considered historical books, matter of fact their authors are considered anonymous except for Luke, who as you well know was not a disciple so had no first hand knowledge of any of the events especially with regard to Jesus' puported miraculous birth, his purported miraculous works or the claims of his resurrection. By necessity he was merely recording oral retelling which usually acquire narrative additions for effect. The lack of original manuscripts is another puzzling aspect. Here we have claims of a god desirous to spread a good news and yet can't be bother to ensure that the original written words were preserved. Instead we have like in the case of Luke manuscripts that have so many differences.

No historian will give credence to the supernatural claims of historical figures because they understand that in those times it was popular to exaggerate the feats of patrons in order to present them in more favourable light to the audience. Alexander, Julius Caeser and others have miracles attributed to them but we don't believe those so why should we believe the ones in the gospels. Fact remains many of those feats cannot be replicated in any way resembling the purported events, nobody has turned water to wine, nobody has multiplied food, nobody has walked on water. I asked you how you would demonstrate to me that Jesus is alive but you didn't respond.

Image123:
Faith is the victory that OVERCOMES the world, not sense. The sense realm is pretty much useless in spiritual things. It's the realm satan brought Eve to and that he keeps bringing the children of Eve to, keeps deceiving them to find a better god there.

So basically you added another layer of mystery as an answer to how do we solve a different mystery.

The fact that billions of people attest to Jesus Christ being alive today and have been seen and experienced by them remains a staggering phenomenon by any means though. No one compares.

Billions of people can be wrong, popularity of opinion doesn't equal truth, even you would agree to that. Besides when you say these people saw Jesus today, do you mean they saw him physically or in visions and dreams?

Crystyano:
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