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Misogyny unfolding.

MaxInDHouse:
We make voluntary contributions to support the global preaching and teaching program so it's from that purse we build bethel homes in each country where we are allowed and from there we do all administrative work in that country.
When we sell anything we use the money for things that are more important things, for instance what is the purpose of building costly Kingdom Halls and extra bethel homes when most of our brothers in poor countries can't afford our publications like our deluxe Bible?
So when we sell those things we use the money for the more important things!

When we were doing this public display of our books anyone can walk right there to pick the one that interests him or her without charge.

Do members of the governing board work or they are paid by the organisation?

Image123:
You asked if killing children enmass good. The discussion and answer has centered on the comparative goodness. Having malaria may be better than cancer, losing a limb may be good compared to losing a life, going to Heaven as a baby is certainly better than going to hell as an adult in a ripe old age.

So under what circumstances would it be good to kill babies enmass?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course i love Origin it's my favourite!

But the truth need to be told, most of you guys claiming ATHEISTS were scammed by smarter ATHEISTS who took advantage of your gullibility to extort money from you. And after sometime that you discovered there is no miracles coming you foolishly concluded that there's no God! Psalms 10:4

How does the JW organisation get money to acquire all the real estate properties it has and when they sell them who does the money go to?

Image123:
i answered already, it is a comparative.

I don't understand.

Olayoo:
Bro u talk like the illiterate you are talking about. Here u said " if I cannot afford the telescopes that can "detect" black hole". Dude u are dumb.Scientists can't directly observe black holes with telescopes .We can, however, infer the presence of black holes and study them by detecting their effect on other matter nearby. But yet its presence its still doubted. There are theories that suggest they may not exist. Maybe fuzzballs does it all.
And for the fourth dimension, Mr atheist who talks without full knowledge of what he his are talking about, you said "satellites cannot give accurate GPS readings without properly accounting for effects of 4th dimension. ". Correlation does not imply causation. If they feel the effects of the fourth dimension doesn't mean it exist. Yet we still think it does.
Stop babbling about evidence up and down but understand that one of the principles of the sciences is falsifiability. Because there is no evidence that conform to your limited senses doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

Huh? Which scientists are still doubting the existence of black holes?

judemurphy:
what's your point now

Pointing to the universe is not a valid reason to believe a god exists.

Baba won enjoy small before he die. LMFAO!

Hismasterpiece:
The problem is you are trying to figure out God from a human standpoint and that's wrong.

There's nothing that we know about God that He did not reveal to us.

How is it justice to suffer infinitely for finite crimes? Well my answer to that lies in Isaiah 55. God's ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not like ours.

It may not make sense to you why people should suffer infinitely for finite crimes, but God is far wiser than you and is also Just, so I believe He knows what He's doing.

There's no other standpoint I have to figure out anything. Basically you are admitting that this god concept doesn't make sense to a non believer which is exactly my position.

Hismasterpiece:
Creation. I believe all things were created intentionally.

Also, my belief in the spiritual started when i had an experience one night in which an invisible person rubbed my shoulder. I can never forget that day.

Humans have not seen a god create anything so how can you reasonably conclude that it was a god that created anything?

Ok, I thought I had that too.

Hismasterpiece:
The gift of salvation.

Hismasterpiece:
I don't believe you. Deep down inside you know there is a God but don't just like Him very much.

Why shouldn't i believe that God is responsible for scientific breakthroughs? Who gave people brains?

Why wouldn't God send a lying spirit to get Ahab to go into battle? Ahab was an ungodly king and God wanted him out of the throne.

When you say that you only follow assumptions to logical conclusions are you trying to say that belief in God is illogical? Because that's not true.

All in all i believe that there's no real atheist. If anything you are angry at God because you perceive Him as unjust and unfair.

I guess the conversation is over since you know what's in my head better than me.

Image123:
This is a fallacy. Having malaria fever is better than death, it doesn't mean we should all or must all have malaria.

Then answer the question.

Hismasterpiece:
From all that you have written here i believe it is safe to say that it's not that you don't believe in God, because you actually do and just dislike Him.

God hates evil (any sane person would), God is jealous FOR people not OF people (there's a difference), when you say God watches porn you say it like the same way you would say a human watches porn but that's not true. The Bible says the God's eyes go to and fro around the earth keeping watch on the evil and on the good. When God looks at people acting porn He doesn't do so with lust (God is all Good and lust is evil so He can't lust), God has never deceived anybody, you must have Him mistaken for the devil: he is the real deceiver.

You said He didn't write anything Himself and that's not true. All Scripture is God-breathed.

Who do you think is behind scientific breakthroughs? Lol. Do you seriously think that God doesn't have a hand in all the great scientific breakthroughs the world has made? Who gave us brains? Who determined our brain's abilities and limits?

The Bible is not flawed, it is infallible.

Bro i think you are just angry at God because you have some wrong ideas about Him. You don't believe that He is Good but indeed He is.

This is the problem with following you along with your assumptions you begin to think I believe your god. If I stuck by my guns and insist that your god doesn't exist then we would have no discussion. I only follow the assumptions to logical conclusions so don't get it twisted, I remain an atheist.

Like I said excuses would begin to come out for the god because you must now try to reconcile what is expressly written with the concept of the god you have in your head. The god is said to have sent a spirit of deception to get Ahab to go into battle but to you its not the god. In the NT it is said that the god will send delusion to make people deceived but to you it's not the god. LoL

Your god did not write anything, the claims of inspiration cannot be substantiated by any reasonable means. Jesus was alive and didn't write a single word. He did not reveal any scientific principle or expound on any technology but somehow we are to believe your god is responsible for scientific breakthroughs.

I alluded to facts about the origins of the Bible but instead of countering with facts you come with assertions. You are merely defending what you think is infallible, have you actually looked up the history of how you got the book you call the Bible?

I repeat I don't believe in your god, such a god doesn't exist.

Hismasterpiece:
The people who will suffer for eternity are those who justly deserve it. God is Just, you see.

According to you if you told one lie you would be counted as though you committed murder therefore you deserve to suffer forever, for 1 lie. How in any good sense is that just? How is it justice to suffer infinitely for finite crimes? There is no Jurisdiction on earth where all crimes are punished the same way but this your god can't even be better than human beings. Besides this is about suffering what does the god gain from people suffering for eternity?

Hismasterpiece:
I'm not asking you as an atheist. I'm asking you to look back at your days as a Christian and see if there was any happening that you clearly knew you had no hand in

Gimme an example from your own life.

Hismasterpiece:
One day i will see Him face to face. No one has ever seen God at anytime and if anyone ever sees God He won't live to tell the tale.

Besides I have seen God. Jesus said that all who have seen Him have seen the Father so seeing God and seeing Jesus is no different as they both are the same. But one day all believers will see Him face to face.

You didn't answer the question. Lemme rephrase it: how is the god obvious to you?

jamesid29:
I'm guessing your point is, an all good God is incompatible with the evil we see in this world.

If I may ask? How would you deal with the problem of evil if you were God?

Yes an all good god is incompatible with the world as it is.

If I was the god evil won't exist period.

Image123:
You are saying Heaven is better than hell, which is correct. So we are both saying it is better for children to go to Heaven than hell. Your decision to kill at will is a different ball game, one step at a time.

No we are answering the question is killing children enmass good. If according to you they go to heaven when they die then the conclusion is yes it is good to kill children enmass. If you have a different conclusion let me hear it.

SenecaTheYonger:
Enemy in sight

Contact with enemy

Air drop Incoming.

Enemy down.

Enemy eliminated.

Gamer spotted

They have paid
Cheque has cleared
Food is ready
I want you

MaxInDHouse:
On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, PATIENCE, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, SELF-CONTROL. Against such things there is no law. Galatians 5:22-23

NO!
Patience and Self-control are both desirable qualities of an intelligent and wise Ruler against whom there is no reasonable law!

There's also no law against watching porn. LMAO

HellVictorinho:
God is a porn addict

LMAO! May be that's why he is so patient.

Image123:
Which is better for them, Heaven or Hell?

So you are saying its good to mass murder babies because they'll go to heaven. If someone claims god told them to kill their own children and they did kill the children you suggest they did the right thing since the children are in heaven. May be we take it further and have all parents kill all their children since they go to heaven.

Hismasterpiece:
You have too many questions.

When you say God killed a bunch of children you say it in a way that seems to equate God's killing of children with the unjust killings happening today and the other killings of babies that pharaoh and herod carried out.

But that is not so. If you look at the scriptures closely you'll see that anytime that God did something "evil" He wasn't acting sporadically: the people on whom He carried out judgement did something to attract such a treatment from God. It is always the people's fault and not God's.

If God were to be acting the way you want Him to (carrying out instant judgement on perpetrators of evil and not just sitting and doing nothing) you would be dead and in hell by now because you also are among the perpetrators of the same evil you condemn.

You have murdered. The Bible equates hatred with murder, so if you've ever hated anybody (which i guess you have) then you are guilty of murder.

Breaking one of God's laws is equal to breaking them all. Say for instance you haven't worshiped idols or stolen or fornicated but you have lied. By lying you have become guilty of worshiping idols, stealing, fornicating among other transgressions.

But you see God is just and would never do anything unjust. There is a time that God gives for repentance and God is VERY patient so you can guess how long that time is.

God is still waiting for the message to reach them and will continue to wait in that hope. The fault with the slow spread of the message is not God's fault but that of the people to whom He has entrusted the message.

What did babies do that made god so angry they had to be killed? What good reason is there to wholesale slaughter babies?

Then himself doesn't even adhere to this ridiculous standard because he does the very same things you say requires you to be killed for. The god hates, the god is jealous, the god is wrathful, the god watches porn, the god deceives. So by this standard your god deserves to be killed. But of course he won’t kill himself so instead excuses will be made. How is any of that just or justice?

Who is responsible for the slow spread if not the god who instead of utilising any of the vaunted power at his disposal to spread his message decides instead that he will wait for hundreds of years while men develop better tools for information dissemination. And not only that he did not write anything himself, did not preserve any of the original manuscripts. None of the languages any of the originals were written in are widely spoken or written today, necessitating flawed translations of imperfect copies of imperfect copies. How does any of this show a god that seriously wants a message broadcast?

Hismasterpiece:
It isn't pointless. And you make it sound like God doesn't care that people are suffering. But you forget that God didn't create today's world, man did. Man chose to rebel against God and hand over ruling power to satan, according to whom the world is.

So what? In the world to come as you believe it are people not going to suffer for eternity? It's quite clear the the concept of god as you believe it doesn't care about people suffering, suffering doesn't move your god to do anything, in fact your god is preparing for people to suffer for eternity.

Hismasterpiece:
The things that you've mentioned had you involved in them. i'm asking for you to tell me something that you had no hand in, something that you just had to know that God and God alone did.

By the way, the family members that you prayed for to accept Christ who did, are they still Christians or are they now like you?

This is funny you are asking an atheist to say he thinks a god did something all by his godly self like are you not seeing the contradiction?

Most of my family is still Christian, some on my dad's side are muslim.

Hismasterpiece:
if a lion stood in front of you would you bother testing? wouldn't the presence of the lion be obvious? so it is with God. if you say it isn't obvious then you are simply lying.

A lion has a physical body I can see and hear it come toward me. The god you describe has none of that so how can it be on the same level? I am an atheist because it is not obvious to me a god exists. I asked you how you determine what is true and you told me that you test things but in this case you say instead it merely is obvious and requires no testing. What is obvious to you? Have you seen the god in question?

Hismasterpiece:
if a lion stood in front of you would you bother testing? wouldn't the presence of the lion be obvious? so it is with God. if you say it isn't obvious then you are simply lying.

We've been having an acrimony free discussion so far so what is causing this accusation? Are you in my head to know what is obvious to me or not? If you are tried of being civil tell me so I can take a rest, I won't spare the time for the uncouth.

Image123:
Heaven.

So it's good to mass murder babies because they'll go to heaven?

Image123:
We cannot all test for stuff in the same way. You test for God in the science laboratory. i never had to test for my parents or siblings in the laboratory, i saw and see good reasons to eternally accept them. i don't require a DNA or certificate or even resemblance to know it. i am aware that some people do but i don't. It was so obvious someone created me and all things and it wasn't a human being. It has been so obvious the supernatural answers to prayers around me over the years till date. But like i said, we're not all the same.

Exactly, I wasn't the one who who said they tested things. Hismasterpiece was the one who said he tests things, I then asked him how he tested for a god.

Image123:
What is the biblical destination of babies after death?

I dunno.