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tutudesz:
Delta North votes was rigged in favor of PDP and some part of Delta central was also rigged in favor of APC.

No,delta north was the only rigged place.theres no way sheriff would have gotten such bloc votes.i believe delta central votes were fair,apc won the four lgas they dominate while pdp won their strongholds.pdp slightly rigged in south plus apc chieftains failed to put pressure.ayiri and Michael johnny were relaxed in warri,Thomas failed to rally the isokos while orubebe did not give his best in burutu.

BluntCrazeMan:
Should it be safe to wait for the Judgement to be read, so that you realize that what Obi is seeking for is far beyond (in scope and in cause) what the APC sought for in Osun??

When the Osun SC-Judgement was delivered, the Obi’s legal team studied the judgement, and made lots of amendments in their demands, and in the types of documents they were earlier demanding for.

Not true.the judgment came when obi lawyers submitted their petition

Ihenzy:
Plateau state politics is Tribal, Plateau are united when voting.

Since 2015,they have been sharing votes

Penguin2:
Leave the courts to determine what was dumped on them and what was not dumped.

But have you now accepted that it’s not server report that Obi submitted in court?

He only demonstrated and heavily relied on server(thirdhand) evidence which has buried the watery case

fergie001:
I have not been following the tribunal case because the outcome is obvious tbh but I had to do that now.....

Tinubu BSc is not in contention but the F gender is from South West College, an institution that aided his admission to CSU.

Now the witness, Eba, I understand also filed a suit against Tinubu, then Candidiate of the APC in November last year with the same allegations. Eba also claimed that the logo in Tinubu's Certificate was different from the original one, etc. He claimed that his friend, an Attorney who is based in Chicago, a Mr. Kowals sent him the transcripts.

Mr Kowals doesn't work in CSU but is based in Chicago (Eba affirmed in his affidavit). YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A LAWYER TO KNOW THERE IS NO PROBATIVE VALUE IN THIS 'EVIDENCE'. As long as CSU has confirmed that the man in our alumni calendar graduated here, that settles everything.

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Let me buttress further, many years ago when my younger sis was to write UME, those were the days of Afribank. The pattern then was when afribank closes sales of forms, you have to go to the UME office at Ikoyi to get it, then fill and submit (this you can do even 2 days to the exam).

I left almost Badagry to Hawkworth Street 4 days to the exam, with the docs of about 5 persons (all males excepting my sis) to buy, fill and submit on the spot 4 days to the exam. I had unintentionally entered Male for her. It became a problem for her when she eventually got admitted at FUNAAB.

I think it was corrected prior to her SIWES defence.

(That is if we want to concede to maybe there is a truth in it... Courts don't do investigative journalism, they will go with what they have). It is the petitioner that needs the proving to do because they are the ones seeking declaratory reliefs.

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In 1999, CSU confirmed that Bola Tinubu graduated from there.

Please be advised that Bola A. Tinubu did indeed attend Chicago State University from August 1977 through June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science Degree in Business and Administration with honours on June 22, 1979. His major was Accounting.”
This was from the then Registrar, Lois Davis in August 20, 1999.

Now in January 2022:
Mr Tinubu did attend our university, however, if further information is needed, go to studentclearinghouse.org website to make a formal request

This is from Beverly Poindexter who is in charge of official transcript requests, enrolment and degree verification at the Office of the Registrar in CSU.

In June 2022,
To whom it may concern

Please be advised that Bola. A. Tinubu attended Chicago State University from August 1977 – June 1979. He was awarded a Bachelor of Science degree in Business Administration with Honours on June 22, 1979. His major was accounting.

Caleb Westberg, is in charge of the office of Records and Registration, CSU

This should settle it.

That boy would not rest.he needs something to grapple with.

Penguin2:
Apart from IREV results from 18,088 polling units (which were certified by INEC anyways), did you hear Obi submitted anything concerning server again?

Just a little heads up, cuz I’ve seen you need to be brought up to speed with what is going on in court….

Obi submitted forms:
EC8As
EC8Bs
EC8Cs
EC8Ds
EC8E
EC840Gs
BVAS Accreditation Data
PVC Collection Report, etc (all INEC Certified), for all the states he’s contesting their results.

It’s obvious you have been arguing from a place of ignorance.

Atiku submitted all those in 2019 but all were listed as dumping except those he lead evidence on.
Obi called a mathematician to analyze irev only.why didn't he analyse those manual documents he submitted? Why wasn't there no comparison? Why wasn't there no analysis or report on overvoting? You think the court will help him calculate? Bia,nwokem better respect yourself and sharrap and stop wailing more than obi

Penguin2:
If you think there’s no female anywhere as part of Tinubu’s problem at the Tribunal, you might as well save your breadth.

I repeat,you are losing it.i hope it doesn't lead to yabaleft but again, help me identify where gender is indicated.is your own cert having gender because mine does not?

Penguin2:
You seem to be missing my point….

The crux of my back and forth argument with you from my thread to this one is that I have been trying to tell you that there could be exceptions when the maker of the document is not required to appear in court. But you seem to have insisted that the maker of the document must appear in court at all times as far as anything regarding the certificate is dispute.

That’s why I tried to separate some facts for you.

1) A certificate can be authentic and valid but they are not yours.

What this means is that if we go to start verifying the documents, they would be authenticated and verified in the archives and records of the maker.

Now, if I were challenging the authenticity and validity of the document, that’s when I need to bring the maker to come say that even though this document bears your name in the right order, they can’t find it in their records; meaning it didn’t originate from them. That’s what you are seeing Mbah going through in Enugu right now. The document bears his correct name but didn’t originate from NYSC. Hence, it’s “inauthentic” and “invalid”.

2) I am not challenging the authenticity of the result. Meaning I accept that the result or document is valid and can be found on the archives of the issuer. But I’m asking the court to see that the name on the document is different from your own name or that while you are [b]man, the document (as certified by the issuer) belongs to a woman.

Now you are telling me that I still need the maker of the document to come tell the court that the name on the document varies from the name you have used all along elsewhere?

Or that they should also come to tell the court that the gender they are seeing boldly indicated as F truly originates from them or was a clerical mistake?

If it was a mistake, can the supposed owner show the step he has taken since 1979 towards correcting the appearance of female on his certificate even though he is male either in the form of affidavit or a letter written to the awarding institution to correct the “error?

Where is gender indicated here?

telleyway:
Why didn't you explain this to kemi Adeosun when she was thrown out of office?
Service is mandatory for any graduate under the age of 30 years. Failure of which is renders your degree invalid. Again, claiming you served and at the same time working in your state is a constitutional breach tantamount to you collecting double salaries.

Nysc is not constitutional.in any case,I want lp to win Enugu but am saying that there's a small chance of the apex court ruling otherwise

BluntCrazeMan:
Dey there dey to Toh.


Just to remind you that the Osun SC-Judgement didn't really affect the direction of the PEPT..

The Judgement of the PEPT is going to follow a totally different trajectory...
And it will affect almost all future tribunal Judgements,, and the conduct of all future elections.

It did actually

Penguin2:
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Lotanna2 come and see, you that have been arguing that, according to Osun Supreme Court judgment, BVAS machines must be physically produced in court. I told you that you can’t claim to know more than the lawyers handling Obi’s case but you were grandstanding.

Just a reminder, Obi submitted BVAS accreditation data for all the states he’s contesting.

I’ve told you to stop trying to simplify Obi’s case in court; it’s not as easy as you and your fellow commissioned agents are trying to make it seem.


Fergie001 what did I tell you about Tinubu’s certificates again?

I told you PDP is not challenging the authenticity and validity of the certificates but simply asking the court to look at the gender on the certificates.

I do not think that CSU needs to come tell the courts that F stands for female in certified document.

Oga,you have comprehension issues.it simply means records or printouts of bvas data from bvas not inec server.by the way,obi is not challenging accreditation data but results...


I ask again,is transcript a requirement for qualification or don't you know what transcript is? You have lost it

ruggedtimi:
political matters na domestic staff.??....

Anything ssa or pa is purely domestic

Penguin2:
Lol! And his BSC having female gender on it is non-issue?

Is gender indicated on BSC or nysc? Are you seriously ok?

fergie001:
It is a crime when proven beyond reasonable doubt, hence, can result to disqualification (APC v Obaseki) per Agim JSC


I have not seen that judgement though but I will reference you to two judgements:

1. The Court of Appeal in Isa Wabu v Mohammed Gololo

Lead Judgement: Bolokuromo Moses Ugo JCA

Background:
After losing the House of Reps election for Gamawa Federal Constituency in Bauchi State. Wabu approached the tribunal challenging Gololo's BSc, NYSC and MBA Certificates tendered. Gololo claimed he acquired his BSc and MBA from LASU.

Wabu called LASU & NYSC as witnesses, and the University testified they didn't issue that doc to Gololo and they also did not offer MBA within that period.

The tribunal ruled that as long as Gololo satisfied S65 by having his fslc and ssce, he had the basic constitutional requirements and cannot be disqualified. They cited the very controversial Agi v PDP. They, therefore, dismissed same for lacking in merit.

Wabu appealed, and the Court of Appeal sacked Gololo. They argued that S65 cannot overrun S66 (a disqualifying factor). That the appellant incontrovertibly proved that the documents were forged and was enough.

2. Supreme Court in Ibrahim Modibbo v Mustapha Usman.

Modibbo was supposed to be discharged on Oct 18, 2018 but he adjusted his Date of discharge to be Oct 03rd I think, so as to justify his winning the APC Primary on Oct 7.

The SC frowned at that and upheld the FHC judgement sacking him.

In Saleh v Abba: He was sacked because of a forged ND Certificate from Fed Poly, Mubi.
He already obtained his SSCE which was not disputed.

So, I believe what is indeed needed is unvarnished proof of forgery, but this Supreme Court.....


The only thing I will believe is that LP lawyers did not add "IN AID OF HIS QUALIFICATION" if they did well well ....

What of useni vs lalong 2019 and akinlade vs abiodun

Penguin2:
Are you being serious right now?

I’m surprised someone who claims to be following proceedings in court is asking me this question.

So you don’t know that the NYSC certificate in question was pulled from the documents Tinubu submitted to INEC? My goodness!

Could Tinubu have submitted a university degree without submitting NYSC certificate?

Or you think PDP went and picked an NYSC certificate by the roadside and brought it to court?

No wonder you have been making the kind of argument you have been making.

You are the one obviously not following the case.we have discussed this matter before severally,you still bring it up.you are only setting yourself for disgrace and eventual heartbreak.the document that has female gender on it is his transcript from south west college where he got his diploma not his NYSC or his BSC.the problem with his nysc is the discrepancies on when he got exemption and when he started not gender Mr bros.
By the time the judges rule now,you will wail the most forgetting that you fail to pay attention

Penguin2:
Yeah, I see it.

But like I’ve asked you before, do you also need make of document to come and say that the gender on a document is “female” when it’s clearly written there?

Did he submit that document? Is it a requirement?

DMerciful:
Why do you guys blindly support evil?

These are his domestic staff na.it must be people he's close to

Aiel123:
Wike is the only known figurehead of the PDP now.
First, the turnout for those areas you mentioned was low. Diden won unconvincingly in 7 LGA with little margin. I don't think it's a sabotage thing.
For the presidency,it was still the same figure.
Before the election, there was high level of disaffection among the Ijaw concerning PDP. Many felt used or shortchanged so that account for the fluidity in both presidential election and nass.
Isoko had their own in JOT,so it's understandable if the emilokon mantra overrode the influence of PDP's members in Isoko land.
This Delta south seat shocked me. Even the subsequent guber election too in the senatorial zone. Seems Orubebe had strength sha or maybe their house of assembly candidate which was popular pulled the string.
Even Warri SW.
To answer your question,if Sherrif wins at the court,he will do eight years. People always say he is Okowa stooge but the man has his own followers,and his own popularity. I witnessed this during the guber election in my lga.
It was Sherrif, yellow, everywhere just as PO was on the lips of majority deltans.

Sheriff looks independent minded,an average urhobo man is.he may disappoint okowa just as okowa did to ibori.
Orubebe is not a small man.he almost won his lga.
My calculations about agege miscalculation was spot on.i clearly calculated that agege should have picked his running mate from delta south preferably the ijaws so as to win delta south outrightly.picking deputy from delta north was a waste as anioma hate apc and would not vote them for any reason.but with the recent disappointment of manager and otuaro,contracts given to tompolo,senate to isoko and ayiri alliance with tinubu plus agege personal friendship with delta south,he has a better chance of winning delta south than north.inorder to reduce delta north votes,he should have sponsored a popular candidate from the north.thevvotes anioma gave pdp in guber was somehow suspicious.i believe okowa tampered with something.cc tutudesz, efewestern,

Spy360:
You just fine-tuning your points to suit yourself.

1. What other authentication do you need from a certified true copy issued by an organisation? In such cases you don't need a witness.

2. So the backend server that hosts the BVAS results data is useless? For your information, it has become the primary evidence because that's where INEC said they will store the BVAS data. INEC has also issued CTCs to parties. Why am I wasting time on this?

3. So it is LP and PDP that will explain what caused the so called glitch and not INEC. Ok.

I am speaking from the position of the law and case laws,you are just using common sense.i repeat that the supreme court has ruled that only the issuing institution can deny a document or prove forgery.i cited rulings.commonsense demands that you consult and verify the citations instead of yapping.are you bigger than the supreme court? Who are you? Didn't you see how nysc came to testify against Enugu gov?

The apex court has clearly demoted irev data in favour of polling unit based sources.the apex court has settled this case, other courts will simply follow.

Lp is the one alleging that there is no glitch.therefore they will prove that there was a glitch beyond that and also show how it affected the final outcome in specific details.it seems you do not realize how heavy the burden is on lp.this case is as dead as dodo

Aiel123:
Whoever the Court sacks should go...
My only interest is Delta. As far as it continues to elude the progressives, I'll be fine.
Either the tribunal case was on AA mind or he's thinking of retiring from active politics.
Besides,the nass minority seems to have a balance.If the Wike group gets minority leade,the next position will go to the other group.

Wike wants to take everything in pdp as it stands.
For how long will pdp hold delta? Rivers and edo is about going,bayelsa is about to turn to a battle ground,aks is under legal siege.only delta looks safe but for how long? Warri south lga or Bowen ward might bring a rerun.i still wonder how pdp won cosmopolitan warri south lga heavily but struggled to win those riverine areas like warri north,burutu,bomadi,patani.i suspect the ijaws and isokos in pdp decided to sabotage diden. if I have time and excess data,I'll download and collate delta south senate irev results

Penguin2:
The furore over the forgery allegation against Mmesoma Ejikeme has been laid to rest after the committee set up by Anambra Government confirmed that the girl indeed forged her result.

With that, everyone has come to accept whatever punishment that JAMB dims necessary for Miss Mmesoma .

Furthermore, JAMB has proven its integrity and the integrity of its technology.

This Is unlike what we saw with INEC during the election who claimed “glitches” for their failure after promising heaven and earth before the election. One now wonders if JAMB server is now stronger than INEC server even though INEC spent billions constructing their own.

But away from JAMB and INEC servers, our concern here is Tinubu and his many forgeries.

Can we all agree, just like we have agreed on Mmesoma case, that same punishment meted on Mmesoma should be meted on Tinubu who is facing similar, and even more, of what Mmesoma did?

Or are we hypocrites that would condemn a young Mmesoma for forgery but defend an old Tinubu, who should be a role model and example for younger generations, on his own forgeries?

Have you proven that tinubu forged anything? Jamb clearly brought evidence of forgery,did nysc or CSU tender same?

Aiel123:
Nweke is Apga candidate.
I'm no longer interested in Mba and the forgery case against him.
If the court sacks him, good for him. If otherwise, still to his benefit.

Same thing with umo Eno in aks.wike really dealt with atiku in the nass battle

Ihenzy:
Lol, funny enough I was an INEC adhoc staff in a Muslim dominated area. And APC won those places with Atiku coming far behind. Muslims don't have much numbers but Caleb is from mangu, How do you expect his people not to vote him. That was his number one stronghold. Most Muslim in plateau are APC so no way they voted PDP

Atiku had big numbers in Jos north,wase,kanam.i know Caleb is from mangu but it is an apc area so no way he could have won there with 50k margin

Penguin2:
And perjury?

It is not a ground for disq

Wisfem:
Good luck to him...

What of frank nweke? Cc aiel123

Ihenzy:
I don't want to reveal stuffs here but Simeon mobilize for Atiku so much. Let's not go beyond here.
Tinubu best Atiku because majority of PDP voted Obi even some of the PDP agent, do not forget that this same people return to vote Caleb even though there was tribal affiliation too at the state level.
The Muslim communities were with Tinubu and state Government factor too

I still wonder how Caleb won,I know he rigged in Jos south and mangu..
The Muslims in plateau are too small to make any appreciable impact in voting.many of them supported atiku.see Jos north,obi won there..
I'll believe you but I find it hard to believe wike will allow mwadkom to emerge.maybe because he's a Christian and plesged alliance to wike.rheir main goal was to stop tambuwal

Wisfem:
Both of them are ready to work for the people, of a truth I know Chijioke is from Isiuzu specifically E- hamufu, MBA as well is from a Similar Zone Ikanu, I think Amankanu specifically. So What's the different let's allow him to continue while focusing on how to boot out that Narcotic Ancestral Alien from The Sit of Power....

Obi failed to bring such incontrovertible evidence so tinubu remains.better focus on enugu

Penguin2:
I reported this yesterday.

Mba should just resign in time except he’s hoping on technicalities.

Who knows, Supreme Court might later ask him to carry on.

True.the apex court once ruled that only forged documents relating to constitutional requirements of qualification can lead to disq

Wisfem:
Chijioke should go and rest. Mba is already focused on Governance No Need for all these Distraction, All LP real Members and Supporter Should Focus on any thing That Will Chase away that Illiterate Narcotic (Afentanyl &Heroin) Trafficker From Aso-Rock...

Yes,I like mbah and his liberal governance style but he has to go

Ihenzy:
Lol, Nobody can stop obidient wave in plateau.
You think Caleb is not pro Atiku?

Caleb and mwadkom were picked when Jang was fully pro wike.if Jang supported atiku,atiku would have beaten tinubu in plateau.i still don't think mwadkom is pro atiku,I feel he's neutral.wike group were projecting senator jarigbe but since he's from SS as akpabio,they had to zone it to north central.ningi and tambuwal were the major pro atiku aspirants

Ihenzy:
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How come he lost plateau? Mwadkom could never emerge if he was pro atiku

The Labour Party, LP, on Friday, commenced its evidence against the election of Barr Peter Mbah as the governor of Enugu State.

The case filed by LP and its candidate, Barr Chijioke Edeoga came up for hearing at the Enugu State Governorship Election Petitions Tribunal.

At the resumed hearing, the LP presented the National Youth Service Corps, NYSC, as its first witness.


Among the documents tendered by the NYSC are the alleged forged discharge certificate, as well as the original discharge certificate which Mbah ought to have collected, as well as a letter written by Oma and Partners, an Abuja-based law firm, which had asked the Corps to scrutinise the discharge certificate submitted to the Independent National Electoral Commission, INEC, by the governor.

The Petitioners, represented by Chief Adegboyega Awomolo, SAN, who is the lead counsel, alongside Dr. Valerie Azinge, SAN, Ifeanyi Ogenyi Esq, and others, led the Petitioners Witness 1 (PW1) in evidence.

The Petitioners Witness 1 is the Director of Certification, NYSC, Aliyu Abdul Mohammed, who adopted his written deposition on oath.

Awomolo sought to tender the witness’s deposition on oath as evidence before the tribunal.

The third respondent, PDP, counsel, Barr Anthony Ani, SAN, objected to the admissibility of the document and opted to move a motion dated and filed on the 7th day of July 2023, which seeks to pray the tribunal to strike out the written deposition on oath of the PW1 on the ground of incompetence.

The 1st respondent, INEC, as well as the 2nd respondent (Peter Mbah) aligned themselves with the submission of Ani and prayed the court to strike out the written deposition of Mohammed (PW1) for lack of competence.

Relying on the Court of Appeal decision in the case of ANDP & anor V INEC as well as that of Damina & anor V Adamu and ors, the respondents’ counsels asked the court to strike out the written deposition on oath of the PW1 for lack of competence.


In response the petitioners’ lawyers relying on the case of Ararume & anor V INEC, which according to them, is a conflicting decision with the authorities cited by the respondents’ counsel, asked the court to admit the written deposition on oath of the PW1.

In a short ruling, the tribunal admitted the document and reserved ruling on the objections raised by the respondents for final judgement.

The PW1 was then taken in for examination-in-chief.

Mohammed told the tribunal that he acted on a subpoena served on the Director General of the NYSC or any other official to appear before the tribunal for the purposes of giving evidence in order to clear some issues bothering on the certificate purportedly issued by the agency.


The subpoena was admitted in evidence without objection from the respondents and was marked as exhibit PTC/01/06.


Mohammed also tendered his official identity card as a staff of NYSC which was admitted in evidence and marked as exhibit PTC/01/07.

In paragraph three (3) of the Petitioners’ Witness’s deposition on oath, the witness stated that in obedience to the subpoena by the tribunal, he came with the authentic discharge certificate of the governor, as well as the one purportedly given to him.

The respondents’ counsel objected to the admissibility of the documents and reserved their reasons for final written addresses.

The tribunal admitted the documents and marked them as exhibits PTC/ 01/08 a and b.

The Petitioners also fielded another witness, an Abuja-based legal practitioner, Mary Nneoma Elijah, a principal partner in the law firm of Oma and Partners.

She is the Petitioners’ Witness 2.

The Petitioners’ counsel sought to tender her written deposition on oath dated and filed on 22 July, 2023, as evidence, which was objected to by the respondents’ counsel, citing the same grounds raised in the first stage.


The court admitted the document and reserved the ruling during judgement.

She also adopted the subpoena of the tribunal dated 21st day of June, 2023, which was admitted and marked as exhibit PTC/01/09.


The witness’s letter to INEC, as well as the reply given by INEC was sought to be tendered by the petitioners’ counsel amid objections from the respondents’ counsel.

However, the letters, as well as the discharged certificate were admitted and marked as exhibits PTC/01/11 a, b & c respectively.

Also, a letter addressed to the presiding justice of the Federal High Court, Lagos Division, for the production of the appointment letter dated 14 July 2003, appointing Barr. Peter Mbah as the Chief of Staff to the then governor of Enugu state, Dr. Chimaroke Nnamani in the same year he (Mbah) claimed he was serving, also admitted in evidence amidst objections and marked as exhibit PTC/01/13 a&b.


During cross examination, the 1st respondent’s counsel, Mr. Abdul Mohammed, applying for the subpoena, asked “confirm to this tribunal that the subpoena did not ask you about anything at the Federal High court”.

In response, PW2 said ” True”.

Mr. Abdul Mohammed further asked the PW2: “Confirm to this tribunal that you have given to the petitioners the contents of these letters at the time they were preparing this petition”.

In reply, the PW2 said, “It’s false, the letters are public documents which are in the public domain. Anybody can ask for the letters and they will be given to him.


The matter was adjourned to Tuesday, 11 July, 2023 for further hearing.
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