Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 10:53am On Jul 07, 2023 |
[quote author=Demolakay post=124268806][/quote]Obi didn't win because he didn't do well up north.wuile obi won two regions in the south,tinubu won obi in the three northern zones.it is not about the number of states but margin.obi had 3.8 mil in the south but tinubu 5.8 mil in the north.can you now see how tinubu won |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 10:42am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: Read what I wrote well. I said most of those you guys say were brains, not most of the people in govt. Let me name them. Soludo, El-Rufai, Nenadi Usman, Magnus Kpakol etc. These were the brains that led the economic reforms headed by Okonjo-Iweala. And FYI, for every Melaye, there's an FFK. For every Lamido, there's an El-rufai. For every Tambuwal, there's a Ganduje etc. So don't make it sound like only Atiku had people with those description in his campaign.
Do you even know what a govt of national unity means? His spokesperson already said there's nothing like that and the opposition have not shown any willingness to work with his govt so Where's the idea of govt of national unity popping out from?
If he's just doing amendments when he was declared winner in March, then something is wrong somewhere. Since you know so much, can you give a number to the actual ministers he's planning on? Cause you mentioned just four names and two are from same state which will make amendment in that state very straightforward.
Your claim on shettima does not tally with what we know and what played out after he chose shettima. He has Buhari to thank for the NW govs not turning against him in that regard.
It was he who promised to hit the ground running and one important aspect of the is getting his team on ground. So don't start pulling the wool with opposition on something that's purely his own affair!! Ffk is not as foolish as melaye.he is not in tinubu inner caucus.ganduje is a performer and liberal.soludo was brought by andy Uba,what exactly did nenadi achieve.tinubu core team is full of technocrats and competent people unlike atiku... Oga,buhari did nothing for tinubu.he was stuck between tinubu and atiku.el rufai rallied the NW governor's.if the NW govs had put more pressure,atiku wouldn't win beyond sokoto. Tinubu is working to appoint nnpp,pdp members into his govt.it is more of a unity govt compared to what obj had. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 10:06am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: Quick question. Did the constitution put a limit when Buhari delayed for six months? Why then was he vilified even up till now? Anyone who has claimed to be prepared to least the country should have his tentative list ready even before he resumes office. What was he doing in the months before he was declared? I don't know what Tinubu is known for or not known for. What i know is that he's exhibiting incompetence by not having his list with the national assembly going into the second week of July. And say what you know. Most of those people you guys claim to be brains in OBJ's govt were brought in by Atiku. So don't just sit down and make wild claims that you don't have facts about. It is incompetence to not have your list ready going into the second week of July. Just as the process of picking a vice was filled with incomp6 that led to words like "place-holder" showing up in our political dictionary. Saying most of the people that worked in obj govt were brought by atiku is an example of a wild claim you accused me of.atiku brought some like El rufai but not most esp after the first term when he fell out with obj.where are those hands? All have abandoned him because of his bad leadership qualities.he is now surrounded by useless clowns like melaye,bigots like lamido,tambuwal. Tinubu had a list of his ministers long ago but because of last minute changes and alliances and betrayals during the primaries and polls like El rufai,wike,amechi,makinde,he had to amend his list continually.he wants to accommodate as much interests as possible.he is planning to run a govt of national unity which includes the opposition and even non partisan people.he must take his time and appoint the people at the last minute to prevent pressure on him to reconsider.he choose shettima since but tried as much as possible to calm frayed nerves before announcing him finally.opposition can keep rushing that's why they are where they are. |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 9:52am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Penguin2: So, since Obi didn’t quote figures, therefore his case was not good enough? True.it shows he is not sure of what he wants.justice kekere ekun said you must not just prove irregularities but show how it affects the election and your margins.election is maths.the tribunal simply review and analyse issues.the best way is to present them with raw figures like hope and sekibo did.ok if there was rigging,how many units were affected,how many votes are involved and from final deduction,what is left? Can you give us a specimen of the invalid votes |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 9:46am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Penguin2: Let’s just allow the Judiciary to do their job.
Because I know that maybe one reason Obi didn’t go into calculation was because of time constraints. It’s easier to do that in a few polling units. But it becomes difficult when you have thousands of polling units with limited time.
About Uzodimma’s commissioner, I think he might play a prominent role in Tinubu’s government. And with battered opposition in Imo, I won’t be surprised if he retains his seat. Since there was no time,he should have isolated about 6 to 12 states to make it easier and counting.the time constraint and difficulty in counting is why we say it's impossible to upturn a presidential election in nigeria.even the imo case,uzo had to target 338 units.if buhari with 2 years couldn't achieve anything in 2007,then obi cannot. I like Mrs Doris and her accent,she looks like an half cast,reminds me of Sally mbanefo of ntdc during gej time.tinubu may give her a higher post,that's how kemi was promoted from commissioner... Hope is a political fraudster,always outsmarting his opponents yet you guys still underrate him.i think he compromised Sam anyanwu and used him to rubbish ihedioha.then, entered into a pact with ihedioha to handover to him in 4 years.he has brought ohakim closer.hes the only igboman that can move very high at federal level |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 9:04am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: It reeks off incompetence. Just as Buhari's own did if he has to start rushing to beat the deadline. There's a political consensus that ministerial list should be ready within a month of taking office as it should be among the first things the Senate will dispatch. If you don't understand that, you can't understand a thing. Is he a slave to Buhari that he is bound to defend him? Oga,the constitution clearly gives one two more months to name his cabinet.it is only when he falls shorth that you can accuse him of incompetence.by the way,tinubu is not known for incompetency.he has always put merit first,you can see the talents that surround him.obi and atiku cannot boast of such.you can accuse him of corruption but not incompetency.you should judge him from the quality of appointees not the delay.why rush in appointing people that will work with you for four years?.tinubu and buhari are from same party,he helped tinubu to win so why attack him so early? He can attack him later but not now.tinubu doesn't play bad politics like opposition |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 8:54am On Jul 07, 2023 |
lexy2014: How didn't he have a choice but defend buhari? Is attacking buhari the best way |
Politics › Re: PEPT: Can Tribunal Send Mr Tinubu Straight To Prison From Aso Rock? by Lotanna2: 8:52am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Spy360: Bold 1: If the academic records they submitted are different from the ones given to INEC then he has confirmed that he submitted fake certificates to INEC. If they are the same, then he has not provided any evidence against the records being used against him by the petitioners. Either way he is gone.
Bold 2: Stop spreading falsehood. IREV image is not photocopy. It's in Jpeg format. If those blurry images are CTCs from INEC then you have no excuse. Even on the IREV server they are blurred. I am sure you haven't taken time to view it. Also on that server you see pictures of for example someone having his bath instead of a result sheet. That's gross noncompliance. Those poorly presented images are the form EC8s that were manipulated in favour of TInubu. 18000+. Those would be deducted from Tinubu and added to Obi.
In addition, you guys have not told us the nature of the glitch. Is it wayo glitch? AWS have already stated that their servers were 100% on the very day all over the world. 1) the apex court has stated clearly that only the makers of a document can authenticate its genuineness or otherwise.the petitioners failed to call the issuing agencies which killed the prayer.see dantiye vs adamu supra,see edevbie vs sheriff 2022 supra. 2) irev is an online copy.regulation 93 of inec guidelines specifically said irev can only be used in the absence of hardcopies.apc in osun got ctc of accreditation data from inec server which is supposed to be same as the one from bvas.the apex court said apc should have produced the bvas and extracted directly from it and that any data from inec server is unreliable,third hand and that pdp shouldn't ihave bothered to defend.it simply implies that irev data is also third hand as being a product of inec server.obi should have used manual forms instead of irev.he should have compared to see for certain if the hardcopies are also blurred.in court, assumptions and speculations are untenable.you must be sure.the poor quality of bvas camera,bad snapping posture,weather,even network issues can make the bvas blurry.presiding officers posting their personal photo should tell you that it was more of human error.the adhoc staffs that testified clearly said issues only came up during upload and that manual copies were intact without righing but they still manually got the results to collation centre which means obi should have depended on manual copies.according to the electoral act,the purpose of those transmitted copies is for verification and comparison at collation centres.it never mentioned IREV.obi should have called collation agents to testify that transmitted copies weren't used. Obi is not saying tinubu votes alone should be cancelled in those 18000 sheets as he failed to prove if it was recorded or not for anybody and how many votes were from there.the votes of all the parties will be cancelled rather.unfortunately obi should have recounted the votes minus the 18000 units and then tell the court the final figures.the court will not do anything about it.in imo, uzodinma matched his results with that of police. 3) inec ict director proved that there was a local glitch within inec which AWS wasn't aware of.moreover,the AWS witness agreed that it is possible for inec to experience glitch without AWS knowing if the server isn't connected. |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 8:32am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: It's not a good signal. That's how y'all kept making excuses for Buhari He was declared winner a whole two months to taking over. If he can't satisfy the interest groups in two months, then he certainly can't in five. It reeks of cluelessness if you ask me It reeks of nothing mr.did they tell you he would not appoint his ministers in two months? Why are you in a hurry to condemn the man? He has no choice but to defend buhari |
Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Ministerial List Not Ready Yet, Says Dele Alake (Video) by Lotanna2: 8:25am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: The president does not decide when it's fit and proper to declare his list. The constitution has given him a time limit. It's five weeks gone and he has only three weeks left to do the needful. I really don't know what can be a reasonable cause for the delay. Too many interest groups to satisfy.therefore,it must be carefully done,perhaps last minute like the choosing of shettima |
Politics › Re: Senator Bamidele Helped Obi To Defeat Tinubu In Court by Lotanna2: 8:22am On Jul 07, 2023 |
ExudeLoveToAll: Read that law he was found guilty of properly, you will agree that it was a conviction. It stipulates jail term or fine forfeiture of not more than 500k dollars.
Criminal Convinction doesn't always have to be behind bars. He was not found guilty of anything sir.it was yesterday I took time to read the case.what happened was that the fbi,dea and us Marshalls investigated accounts linked to him and then applied through the attorney general office to the court to get an order of forfeiture in the interim to forfeit his accounts while investigation is concluded and for court processes to start for him to clarify issues with the accounts.it is what we call an exparte order here in Nigeria where someone goes to court to get an interim order without the other person's notice.this is what efcc usually does in Nigeria whereby they rush to get court orders to freeze or forfeit people account while court cases are yet to begin.donald duke,patience Jonathan,diezani,omokore,dasuke etc properties are still under forfeiture while the case is going. So tinubu was never convicted as the matter wasn't pursued in court as him or his lawyers never pursued the case.but you are right that conviction is not always about going to jail.convictiin is when a judge concludes a case and in the judgments finds one guilty of at least one count.even if there's no jail term,it is a conviction.the appeal court just found senator bassey Albert guilty and gave him an option of fine.in tinubu case,nothing like that happened so that particular prayer of obi is dead |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 2:09am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Penguin2: I keep asking you, are you aware that OP submitted form EC8A for all the states he’s contesting their results?
And following the Supreme Court ruling that form EC8A is the primary source of data for an election, why do you keep discountenancing that fact?
So, it’s usually funny when you say that Obi has not proven his case; maybe because he hasn’t quoted figures.
But let’s take Uzodimma’s case for example, all his time in court, did he quote any figure for the court? No. His only prayer was that his votes were wrongly canceled in about 133 polling units. And that if that cancellation is voided, he won the election.
Now, when the Supreme Court agreed with him, it was the Supreme Court that did the tabulation and came up with a figure.
So, what were you really expecting Obi to do? What has obi done with all the ec8a tendered? What has he showcased or proven? Why did he now calculate based on only irev without comparing with other copies? You are mistaken about hope.go back and read his petition from the tribunal.i have the appeal court judgment here if you want it.hope lay everything bare.he stated clearly that his total votes in those omitted units were 213,000 while pdp scored 1900.that is what gov ajasin did in 1983.that is what sen uchendu did in 2018 against George sekibo,what adeleke did in 2018 before technicality set in.evej atiku tried to do this in 2019.you must calculate and lay everything before the judges.they will now crosscheck,verify and review.they will not do your job for you.it is a tribunal with just 6 months and not a civil court with limitless time... All obi needed to do is simple.count all the votes in irev,lp copies,police copies ,inec copies and record them.check to see if you win in any copy.or get forensics to identify all votes,stolen,invalid etc and properly record them.if obi won,it would show.if he didn't and he noticed mass irregularities,it will show.there is no need to target 20 or more states.if actually he lost,all he needed was to investigate the votes from the ne/nw where obi did poorly and some SW states to see if he can detect invalid votes and reduce tinubu votes.since he believes he won Lagos and plateau by bigger margins,why not recount those two states? Atiku tried to do this in 2019.oyetola tried to do this.obi can even target areas where tinubu won that was fraught with overvoting.this thing is very simple.instead,he brought truckloads of results,documents and kept it in the court without explanation of what he found.does he think the judges will count or go through it when he didn't lead evidence? Instead of a detailed explanation,he is yapping about glitches,servers,tinubu qualification,nitda etc that will not help him.what is so hard in getting polling unit based evidences? Anyway,I just discovered that the executive orders signed by tinubu was masterminded by imo commissioner of finance Mrs Doris nkeiruka anite.see how bat spots talents and utilize them nationally? |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 12:36am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Penguin2: You know sometimes I suspect you guys as agents of government commissioned to water the ground for a likely outcome that would totally be antithetical to the provisions of law. That’s why some of you sound so authoritative and convinced sometimes while we are left speculating.
But whether you are commissioned to prepare the public for a predetermined outcome or not, one thing is certain - that the 2023 general election was heavily flawed and manipulated to achieve a predetermined outcome. Any ruling from the judiciary that upholds, in its totality, the outcome of the election will forever remain questionable and seen to have been coerced or bought. I only sound certain or authoritative if I am cocksure.during the shettima case,I wasn't sure.i was afraid.worst case scenario is a rerun in 18000 units.but instead of comparing results like uzodinma,he depended on secondary results. Tbh,this election is the best since 1999.there was so much improvement.lp witnesses agreed that the polls were free and fair,their only issue was in terms of upload of results.obi failed to prove his case.when he couldn't prove how he won,he started talking of irregularities and when he couldn't prove it,he now looked at disq tinubu and after that failed,he is now depending on targeting apc witnesses forgetting that a petitioner will succeed on the strength of his case and not on the weakness of defence. |
Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 12:18am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Kukutenla: No sir. You're just ignorant. To win, you need 25% in 24 states which 19 northern states baby give you. So if you willingly make yourself inferior to northerners, you have no one to blame for that. What the north, especially the core north have going for them is unity of purpose and not any voting power or intellect. Why must you insult me? What I am trying to say is that tinubu votes in the north surpassed obi votes in south.therefore tinubu actually won obi |
Politics › Re: INEC And BAT APC May Lose Woefully To Peter Obi And Atiku In Court by Lotanna2: 12:05am On Jul 07, 2023 |
Spy360: BAT supporters will either use insults or use vague conclusions without proof.
I will be waiting for any of them sensible enough to bring up counter points against the Op. Which should we start with minus fct |
Politics › Re: Senator Bamidele Helped Obi To Defeat Tinubu In Court by Lotanna2: 11:59pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
ExudeLoveToAll: It wasn't trashed, the court only said no one has the right to prosecute a serving Governor because if immunity.
Or you are referring to the house of assembly clear bill of health? That has nothing to do with judicial pronouncements. Still,10 years has elapsed.he wasn't even convicted to begin with |
Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 11:56pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Kukutenla: So the south are politically inferior to the north then Yes in terms of numbers of voters,voting power and turnout and intellectually to an extent.but this doesn't mean south are inferior.what I am trying to say is that obi actually lost to tinubu |
Politics › Re: PEPT: Can Tribunal Send Mr Tinubu Straight To Prison From Aso Rock? by Lotanna2: 11:40pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
ExudeLoveToAll: You don't ask a rhetorical question to answer a question when there is an evidence of ignorance on the part of the one asking.
Doing that makes you walk in same lane of ignorance. No, obidients always jump into issues they know nothing of.there are different threads in nairaland and a nairalander is expected to be conversant with each section.what stops him from researching on tribunal before jumping into the fray? |
Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 11:37pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Kukutenla: That's what you think That is the truth,it is the reality.apart from 1993,the north has always outvoted the south.tinubu votes in ne nw smashed obi votes in the south |
Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 9:42pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Demolakay: There are 17 states in d south. Mention 9 states states in d south that Tinubu won. Winning north is more important than winning south |
Politics › Re: Rivers PDP Faults EU Report: Election Went Well, Wike Allowed Level Playing Grou by Lotanna2: 9:41pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Kukutenla: This is meaningless. Conversely, there are 17 states in the south. Mention 7 states Tinubu won in the south Can't you see that winning the south is less important than winning north? |
Politics › Re: How Peter Obi Lawyers Smartly Used Tinubu's Witness Evidence To Nail Tinubu by Lotanna2: 9:38pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Spy360: It runs away as usual. What an irredeemable slowpoke. See this kid.go back to yabaleft lad |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 9:12pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: I agree with you that arguments should not be about who wins it but about the education and enlightenment it provides. But I refuse to be categorized as someone who argues to win rather than arguing to learn.
Like in this situation, we are all speculating on what the judges will likely rule. And you dare not claim to know what they would decide and provide it as a fact that should not be questioned.
You, I, Fergie, non of us know anything for sure. And until the court rules, it’s reprehensible to present your position as unquestionable.
I will say it again, the FCT has a special status in the constitution and for anyone to be declared president, he must score 25% in the FCT. That’s a constitutional provision. And until the courts interpret it otherwise and establish a contrary authority, don’t question my position. Fair enough but based on my estimation,they are 90% going to rule against fct.if it happens,I don't want you to say they were bribed or coerced. |
Politics › Re: How Peter Obi Lawyers Smartly Used Tinubu's Witness Evidence To Nail Tinubu by Lotanna2: 9:11pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Spy360: What evidences did he present? Mention them.
I want to expose your ignorance. Continue ranting childishly kid |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 7:10pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: Lol!
The problem is that APC took the document to court having given it their own interpretation. But the court will look at the document holistically and not through APC’s prism.
Now, you ask where in the constitution is Abuja provided for specially and my answer is “And 25% in the FCT. That’s a provision that shows that Abuja has a special place in the Nigerian state.
The section 299 that you guys always refer to talked about the administration of Abuja. That in administration of Abuja, it should be taken just like a state. It is worlds apart from the status of Abuja in Nigerian presidential election.
Meanwhile, do you have any explanation why Wole Olanipekun tried to submit Senator Bamidele’s business card to the judges? He wanted the judges to call the senator?🤔 The truth of the matter is that the judges have already taken a decision on FCT,it is an open and close case.no argument or document will swing their minds.none of the arguments making fct mandatory are tenable while those shutting down fct are concrete.if you say fct is a melting pot,is Lagos,pH,kad,Kano not even better melting pots? If you say it is a centre of unity and governor of fct is the president,don't you think state govs should have 25% in their capitals and senators too should get 25% since they manage abj legislatively? Concerning the AND,all texts right from childhood both online and offline always categorize Nigeria as having 36 states and FCT.it has more to do with grammatical structure and territorial placing not electoral.why not just say AND IN THE which is incontrovertible? Take note that if they are mentioning 36 states without fct,it is AND zamfara and fct comes in when all territories are referred. In all matters concerning fct,the judges have equated fct to a state.they have stated clearly that it is not inferior or superior.that is a legal expo.eveb Fergie has easily dismissed the tribunal case.he is hardly wrong. The funny thing is that In the end,tinubu will prevail and the most annoying thing is that you will not learn.instead of you to calm down and learn from us,you will bring up another nonsensical narrative and still fail.the purpose of argument is to learn and develop yourself not to wallow in ignorance or unenlightenment |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 6:19pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: I will try to get the right judgment and revert to you.
But did you read that Tinubu’s witness came to court yesterday with a document that was prepared by a committee on FCT which recommended that it be accorded a special status?
And how can you claim that an entity governed by the president is inferior to places overseen by governors?
All these skewed arguments just to bend reality to conform to Tinubu? The aim of the document was to show that fct is to be treated like a state and that it is not the only centre of unity or melting pots that is from apc perspective. Making someone or something special does not mean it is superior to others but to make it equal or equitable.special status are usually granted to people or places that are less or handicapped or challenged compared to normal situations inorder to bridge a gap. I don't see the skewed argument here.it is a foolish argument to say fct is superior to states.there is no place in the constitution that places Abuja above states,I challenge you to show me where something is conferred to the fct and denied to states.rather,the constitution seeks to treat fct like states even though it is less.no court or judge will ever give a judgment making a vote,somebody or place superior or inferior except there's immunity(executive) or imprisonment. Think about it,if it is mandatory for FCT to be separate,then no winner will emerge until someone gets the highest votes plus 25% in fct.but the constitution says in that rerun,the winner will just have highest votes.why is the fct no more required? The judges may have considered that argument if tinubu did not get the spread in about 24/25.with him getting 29,it is not tenable. |
Politics › Re: PEPT: Can Tribunal Send Mr Tinubu Straight To Prison From Aso Rock? by Lotanna2: 6:04pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
ExudeLoveToAll: He asked a question and you reply with a question. Why don't you educate him. It is a rhetorical question afterall obidients are notorious for being ignorant and still stubbornly refusing to be educated |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 4:49pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: How come you sound so sure of what the judges will decide? Do you have the judgment already?
About 25% in FCT, I’ve not mentioned that there’s a Supreme Court precedent on it. It was set in 2008 in a case between Yaradua and Buhari where the Supreme Court ruled that it is not mandatory to win the FCT before you are declared winner of the election; however, it’s is mandatory to get 25% in the FCT.
The made the above ruling because Buhari was challenging the election based on the fact that Yaradua did not win in Abuja but INEC declared him.
What do you say about that? This is false sir,I have read 2007 judgment more than 10 times.the supreme court never made any ruling on FCT in 2003 or 2007 or 2008.yaradua actually had 65% in fct so a ruling on it did not arise.but in 2003,they made only a side comment on FCT issue saying that if there's any ambiguity in it,they will utilize the law of ambiguity and choose the most reasonable cause of action.that matter was laid to rest. With your little experience on the judiciary,you should know that they will never raise the status of someone or a place above another except there's immunity.the constitution frowns at inequality.besides when a case is 50 50,the judiciary tends to side with the status quo or in this case incumbents.... Additionally,the fct is actually below or inferior to a state in reality.but the constitution has placed it on the level of states to avoid confusion. |
Politics › Re: PEPT: Can Tribunal Send Mr Tinubu Straight To Prison From Aso Rock? by Lotanna2: 3:43pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
iSense247: With the evidence before the court, if the tribunal found out that Mr Tinubu had actually committed forgery, perjury, rigging and bribery of INEC officials before 2023 presidential election, can Tinubu be sent to jail? Knowing fully well that all these offences are punishable by law under the Nigeria constitution. Do tribunal have the jurisdiction to convict people? Obidients are so tiring |
Politics › Re: How Peter Obi Lawyers Smartly Used Tinubu's Witness Evidence To Nail Tinubu by Lotanna2: 3:31pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Spy360: This is the usual rhetoric of agbado people without any proof or explanations. You just reach a conclusion out of no where, and denying all the facts laid before you.
Even if Tinubu is a god, with you as worshipper he is not infallible. I advise you to change for the sake of your sanity. Peter failed to present concrete evidence |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 12:30pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: What I’ve discovered is that most of your arguments on this PEPT case is centred around political expediency rather than legality and constitutionality.
First, on the FCT argument, Tinubu’s witness came to court with a document from a Committee that was setup solely for the place of the FCT in the Nigerian State. From the document, it was stated that the Committee recommended that Abuja be given a Special Status in the constitution since it’s our center of unity. Does that not prove that that constitutional provision “AND The FCT” was a deliberate provision by the framers of the constitution relying on the recommendations of the committee on FCT? If yes, why should someone who didn’t fulfill that provision be declared winner?
See, after finding out that there was actually a committee that recommended that Abuja be given a Special Status, I now realized why Atiku and Obi made it one of the focal point of their petitions.
Based on that FCT provision alone, a runoff election could be ordered by the courts. Because while Tinubu got simple majority, he failed to fulfill the spread having failed to get 25% in the FCT.
Now, in case a runoff election is ordered, who would square with Tinubu? The constitution says it’s the person that won the most state (not the person that came second). Now, considering that they all tied at 12 states each at the end of the election, what Obi needs to do is to prove that truly he won Rivers; that shoots him up to 13 states. If he’s able to recover Benue, Akwa Ibom and Taraba like he’s also contesting, that shoots him up to 16 states.
So, the runoff would now be between Tinubu and Obi. That’s supposing that after recovering 4 states, Obi is still not able to offset Tinubu’s lead, and also supposing that Tinubu is not disqualified.
Now, what did the constitution say about a runoff election? The constitution said the winner would then be determined by simple majority. No question of spread this time around. Which is why I was surprised you asked if they would keep repeating the election if the winner continues to fail to get 25% in Abuja.
Now, Can Tinubu be disqualified based on the evidence in court?
Now, I wouldn’t say I have an answer to the above question. But do you recall Tinubu lawyers’ argument about Tinubu’s $460,000 forfeiture during Pre-hearing? They said it was Tinubu’s bank account that was sued and not Tinubu. But yesterday, their witness, a lawyer in America, admitted in court that it was indeed Tinubu that forfeited the money but then argued that it was a “civil forfeiture”. But do you remember Justice Ariwoola’s definition of forfeiture?
Again, about his certificates, PDP is not questioning the authenticity of Tinubu’s certificates. PDP is not saying that Tinubu didn’t go to CSU. If PDP was questioning the authenticity of Tinubu’s certificates, that’s the only time you would have suggested that CSU should have been called to disprove the documents as inauthentic.
But PDP submitted Certified True Copies (public document) from CSU that showed that the Tinubu that attended their institution was female. The implication is that whilst the certificates Tinubu is parading are authentic, they belong to a woman.
Now, this is antithetical to the Tinubu who registered with APC as male. Their honorable justices know that the Bola Tinubu that was sworn in as Nigeria’s president is a man. How do you reconcile that?
Lastly, Tinubu submitted an exemption certificates dated 1983 but NYSC started giving exemption certificates in 1985. But I don’t even think that’s what PDP is contesting if not, they would have callled an NYSC official to testify that truly the Service started giving exemptions in 1985, not 1985. I think PDP is contesting that the gender on Tinubu’s NYSC certificate which was submitted to INEC, is female. Now, do you need NYSC to come testify that truly what is written on a certificate is female?
Do you honestly think that the courts will exonerate all these? The court will shoot down the fct matter,deep inside you you know this.asduming there's a rerun between tinubu and obi,it will be a massacre. The gender on his nysc is not female.failure to call nysc killed it.failure to call southwest college or CSU to verify the gender also killed it.besides,wole submitted his admission letter which shows male. Forfeiture is not a ground for disq.the court will only concern themselves with conviction or not...even if it was a punishment,atiku start witness agreed that it wasn't registered here.we haven't even talked about whether it applies to Nigeria. Worst case scenario is rerun in 18000 units where tinubu will still win.there is nothing in this case,take your mind elsewhere.the buhari case of 2019 was more difficult |
Politics › Re: Throwback: Appeal Court Dismisses Suit Seeking Obi’s Disqualification. by Lotanna2: 11:39am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Penguin2: Hmmmm!
See, I feel the judiciary is boxed to a corner.
Their integrity has never been more questioned like it’s being questioned now and I feel they must have some compulsion to salvage what is left of their image.
Everyone knows that Obi won the election. Or for some of you who think otherwise, at least you would agree that a lot malpractices took place.
The only reason it’s in contention whether anything will come out of the courts is just because of legal procedures and technicalities. Apart from that, it shouldn’t even be debated whether the courts will declare Obi winner.
Again, don’t forget the EU report which cast the election in bad light. The judiciary is further boxed into not upholding the election or risk inflicting an irreparable damage to its image.
Considering all these therefore, with the facts laid in court so far, I see a rerun, not runoff, where all participants would still participate.
I feel like Tinubu is already envisaging this and that’s why he has been extending hand of friendship to people like Kwankwaso, and packing appointments to Southsouth to try to get the people of the region to his side.
But I won’t be surprised if Tinubu is disqualified.
Just like I still won’t be surprised if the election is upheld (highly unlikely but this is Nigeria). You are funny.has the eu ever written good about our polls? No one is being boxed.you heard how the apex court attacked the pdp during shettima case due to the media propaganda and you are still indulging in it... The best time to disqualify tinubu was during the shettima case not now.besides the fact that there is no case here,how do you reason? You funny,that the court will remove a president.how na? |