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Spy360:
When LP says the IREV is blurred is doesn't mean they did not compare. What it means is that INEC did not obey the Electoral Act that mandated it to resolve discrepancies before announcing a winner. That's the aspect of the law that is being contested. Get it?

LP successfully proved that Tinubu forfeited money to the US for narcotics trafficking and money laundering. That was the testimony of Tinubu's own star witness. It is now left for the judges to decide whether forfeiture is criminal or civil. The witness himself (a mumu man) said that money laundering is not a crime. That statement already sold out Tinubu.

You keep mentioning your last paragraph even after I have debunked it. Did CSU provide any documents on subpeona by the PEPT against Tinubu?

Yes or No.

And this matter is settled.

For the sake of readers:
CSU sent his transcript showing that Bola Tinubu is a female. They also sent the original certificate which showed that what Tinubu submitted to INEC and what he brought to court were forged.

When a school have sent you their original document, you don't need to waste the court's time by bringing them again to testify whereas the evidence is looking at you face to face. Are we that stupid in this country?

Prof ofoedu clearly said he only analyzed irev and never compared with ec8a.disobeying the law is not the problem.but to what extend? Was it substantial enough? You get it son? Obi failed to prove substantial violation.the blurred result is as a result of bad bvas camera.
Lp did not prove anything.forfeiture is not a disq criteria.moreover,it was never in Nigeria and the judgment wasn't registered in nigeria talkless of 10 years elapsing.it is a dead end.bamidele is not a mugu like tanko who lied on oath and fumbled foolishly,a star disaster.

CSU did not send the transcript son.those transcripts were from southwest college where he did diploma before gaining direct entry to csu.he never submitted transcript to inec therefore it is of no issue.tinubu transcripts were sent by Mr kowtals a lawyer in Chicago who has no links to CSU or southwest college.csu only sent his degree which bears his exact name and details.obi never brought proof to show tinubu doesn't own the certificate or there's another tinubu.the difference in colour,logo and size is because CSU has changed its document format used in the 1970s.obi should have brought them to testify against tinubu and disown the cert like it happened in enugu not just merely providing documents via subpoena.the school last year provided it's yearbook with tinubu there thereby admitting tinubu graduated from there.if you were reasonable and had respect for law,you will avert your mind to the various supreme court judgments stating how forgery can be proven.once again,obi has failed.
For the records,we have two types of subpoena that is subpoena duces tecum which involves a person or agency submitting document and a subpoena testificandum ordering a witness to testify.the latter subpoena is what the supreme court requires in proving forgery but obi with his china brain foolishly went for the former which proves nothing but that tinubu is a graduate of CSU boy

SmartPolician:
I am not a lawyer, but I have told you how things will play out. If appeal court is all you can get from that message, it's entirety your business.

On what grounds will the court tell him to vacate office? Oga,highest you can get is a partial rerun

Spy360:
The same ICT director that was asked to stop talking by Wole? The ICT director only butressed the testimony of AWS that there was no glitch- when he was asked if they reported to AWS. The man even said that after testing was done on 4th Feb, that all the vulnerability detected were 'remediated' (that's the exact word he used). When he was asked if IREV can changed the nature of an uploaded data, he said no. He was then asked to read a result obtained and certified by INEC ( his own department) he said, 'I can't, it is blurry'.

My dear, was it not Bamidele that said money laundering is not a crime?

Like I said, self deceit or delusion is foolishness.


Let me ask you.

When you are told that an organisation was subpoena to provide authentic documents, do you know what it means?

Asides the fact that Mrs ogar came to testify on her own without AWS permissions,she stated clearly that inec can still experience localized glitches without AWS knowing.the ict director provided documents showing localized glitch.if the irev copy is blurred,what about the hardcopy? The electoral act clearly mandated that in collating results,both manual and irev must be compared and lp failed to do that.that remediation and testing was done does not mean it cannot experience issues later.i have asked you severally if the bvas camera is faulty,or the bvas itself is faulty,whether it can affect the picture quality,you shamelessly dodged.

Lp failed to establish that tinubu was convicted nor it was criminal forfeiture.it is settled law that a petitioner will succeed on the strength of his case and not on the mistake of defense.you don't follow law Sha only inec guidelines is what your head can carry.obi failed to prove conviction,that ends it.

The supreme court clearly stated that forgery of a document can only be established by the issuing institution who will testify to it's authenticity or not.obi and atiku failed to call CSU to testify.yoi saw how nysc officially testified against Enugu gov.my brother,you have nothing to say.its a big lose

BluntCrazeMan:
This guy is still living inside his dreams.

Bye for now.


After the SC-Judgement, we can continue.

No,after the apex court judgment,you must defer to every legal prediction I make.you must reference me and stop making any unfounded claims.yiu must accept defeat and allow me school you

Spy360:
AWS testified against INEC/Tinubu, CSU under subpoena provided CTCs of school documents that testified against Tinubu, even Tinubu's star witness, Bamidele testified against Tinubu that he actually forfeited $460k for narcotics and money laundering.

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1) inec ict director testimony rebutted that of Mrs clarity ogar assuming her testimony will be accepted despite her partisanship and testifying without AWS knowledge.

2) CSU documents confirmed tinubu graduated from there.obi failed to call CSU to testify that his cert is forged

3) bamidele did not testify against tinubu.apc has always insisted that his forfeiture was civil and that he was never convicted which bamidele restated.let me remind you that tinubu star witness witness yunusa tanko fumbled massively which left tinubu with little to do

BluntCrazeMan:
You assume a lot.
And you pre-empt a lot too..


For you to tell me to put myself in the judges shoes,, as if my shoes are not there for me any longer..
I just left you to your imaginations.


Now,, you have left your own shoes to come to try to wear mine??
And you're assuming or pre-empting (albeit wrongly) What I accepted, and What I didn't accept.??

You have accepted obi has lost out.you are just voicing your own anger and hoping a miracle wins

BluntCrazeMan:
Until after Judgement,, I can understand you better.
But for now,, the only judgement I am understanding is the Osun-SC-Judgement..

We are past osun and now in pept.it seems you now accept that it is over

BluntCrazeMan:
Highly impossible for me.

Based on my long experience on electoral matters,the case is dead

Kukutenla:
How far na

Hope you're not trekking now o

Atiku will never rule.wike dealt with tambuwal,that brings satisfaction

BluntCrazeMan:
You are asking me questions because I am one for the Judges.??

Put your self in place of the judges

BluntCrazeMan:
(The Emboldened)
Obi had some major issues with the Electoral-Act which he is trying to hammer out..
That is the main reason he is at the Tribunal.

He is not there to look for discrepancies...
PDP can go and be looking for that,, since they claimed that they came second.

I thought obi came to reclaim his mandate? The tribunal is not the place to amend laws but the nass assembly but to get victoru.he should lobby his reps or sponsor a bill.he should stop being foolish

BluntCrazeMan:
Obi had not put his case together yet.
He just presented his evidence and witnesses..

You just started passing judgement.

Judgment are purely made based on evidences and witnesses presented.wgich of them was convincing and compelling?

BluntCrazeMan:
You can continue to tug this issue back-and-forth..
But I cannot say anything about what the judgement would be, no matter how hard you try to push me.

So, until after the Judgement, I cannot discuss anything that pertains to what the judgement would be like.

Just forget the matter,it was never canvasesed in court.take it from me that obi has lost based on what he presented in court.the only thing he can get out is rerun in 18000 units which he would also fail in

BluntCrazeMan:
Wait First..

Discrepancies were not settled anywhere..
Not at the Wards, nor LGAs, nor States, nor even at the Federal Level..
Collations were just done, and the INEC officers PROMISED the disturbing party agents that all the discrepancies would be settled at the Final Federal Level.
WHICH WAS NOT DONE.

Some Wards and LGAs collation Centers who did massive manipulations even had to block off the agents of other parties from entering the Collation Centers.
So, how did these people settle their discrepancies when there are no other party agents present at the Collation Center other than those from the parties they intended to work in favour of.??

As for the “Electronically Transmitted Results On The BVAS..,, which you just pointed out,, the only thing that happened on the BVAS (as far as the Presidential Election is concerned) was Photo-Scanning of the Results Sheets. There was no transmission to the Collation System. Thus,, there were no Electronically Transmitted Results on any BVAS (or even on the supposed Collation System) which any of the Collation Officers used for any verification.

The BVAS-Machines were physically “Delivered” to the Wards Collation Officers,, and they were not even used to verify the results at the Wards Collation Centers.
That was even the worst of it all.

As for the uploading of the results-photos from the BVAS-Machines to the IREV for viewing, that one even happened after the election had been concluded, and it was not also used for the verification purposes either.

So, I am still trying to fully understand the “Electronically Transmitted Results On The BVAS” which you talked about..



Ok Naa..




You lied sir.
What you wrote up there is not what happened.

No discrepancies were settled at the Ward Collation Centers..

Why not rest this matter? Obi himself failed to bring proof as to discrepancies in ward and lga collation.none of his 13 witnesses testified to this.it was never even in his pleadings.in other wards,the results collated stand unchallenged.obi failed.i remember telling you at the beginning that obi won't be able to prove this non transmission matter.the problem with you guys is that you want to decide the case for obi meanwhile obi is doing something else

Spy360:
Lol.

I said REST MY CASE.

You see, being deceitful is bad, but deceiving one's own self is foolishness.

Even the judges would be overwhelmed by evidences. I'll wait for the final address which should be available by 15th of this month. It is not far.

All my assertions are based on what obi presented in court.you are the one being deceitful.you don't even know what overwhelming is.let me give you an instance.nysc testified against Enugu gov,waec testified against aks gov.did you see such concrete evidence in obi case?

Razgas:
there are at least 1 million people on that register who are dead. 1 million people who are not igbo, 2 million people who are registered to vote in the east but live outside the east.
But another way of knowing population is by comparing historic figures and looking at trends.
The entire eastern region was 6.5 million in 1953 when British did census. The figure was similar to Ghana and Malaysia's population at the time.
Malaysia is currently 30 million. Ghana is 27 million. But in your opinion, only 60% of the Eastern region is 40-50 million? Lol bruh 🤣

Guy,I love your objectivity

Kukutenla:
May his healing favour me and my family

I noticed a lot of Zombies have gone AWOL

Could it be............

Take your L and rest.he destroyed atiku

BluntCrazeMan:
There were no TRANSMITTED COPIES in the first place.
And then,, there were discrepancies during the election,, but these discrepancies were not even resolved during the election according to the way they were clearly stipulated to be resolved inside the Electoral Act.

That was a clear violation of the Electoral Act.
Isn't it.??

Mere allegations are not evidence.obi failed to prove to the court that there were no transmitted copies and that the were unresolved discrepancies thereby killing his case

Spy360:
My brother I will rest my case here that I do not think that LP and PO will leave the PEPT without any proof that they won the election. This thought is basically at common sense level. Even Mmesoma would try to prove something talk less of over 15 SANs. So if you wish to continue with your thoughts which is basically based on mere assumptions then Goodluck. We wait till the court decides.

Thank goodness you have given up.you can see futility of his case.he is banking on mere assumptions.obi believes that of he exposes pockets of anomalies,errors and irregularities,it will be enough forgetting that it is beyond that.

gidgiddy:
You mean he was a Youth Corper while he was chief of staff to Enugu State Government?

Hmmm

BluntCrazeMan:
And that if there are discrepancies,, the results of the TRANSMITTED COPIES would be the one that prevails..
>>EA: Section-64(5),(6),(7),(8.)

Exactly.unfortunstely,obi never brought proofs to show there was unresolved discrepancies at collation.that side is dead

Spy360:
Once again you are right but don't have full details of all that transpired. PO brought a forensic expert who analysed the results of INEC CTCs of EC8As. A mathematician from UNN. His output was referred to in the witness statement by Yunusa Tanko.

Bros,you are the one that does not have full details.i followed the iamv thread and that of gen oluchi on twitter.the mathematician prof Eric ofoedu clearly said he only analysed the irev copies and not the manual copies nor did he compare or verify.the electoral act and inec guidelines clearly said collation officers must always verify between the transmitted and manual copies.
Yunusa tanko clearly rubbished himself

Penguin2:
Can you provide evidence of Obi relying on server?

The evidences he submitted in court that are server related?

Almost or all obi witnesses and arguments in court are about glitch(server),irev results(server),non upload to server.read the bolded below from a judge.


After much argument from the counsels to counter Magaji, Justice Ahuchaogu, ruled that the petitioners even a in situation where the documents are formally admitted would still need to prove or establish the substance of such documents.

He, therefore, ruled: “We grant the application for the counsel to tender such documents”.

Spy360:
You are correct here. I don't see how it reflects your previous point.

Not every case require a witness whereas a simple calculation (for results) or interpretation (for constitution matters) is needed. So claiming that PO or LP didn't do their analysis is an under-statement of facts.

Reading the record is important because the determination of the case or charge by the Judge will ultimately be guided by the content of the record of proceedings. Put differently, it is expected that the Judge’s decision will be based on the pleadings (or charge in criminal trials), evidence led (including the demeanor of the witnesses) and law applicable to facts of the case. This means, you really cannot go outside what has happened at trial to manufacture or invent what may favor your case or client. In essence, you are stuck with the record of proceedings and what happened at the trial, unless of course there is a de-novo trial. So? Read the record of proceedings.




The bolded above clearly shows that the judge will depend almost certainly on what transpired in court to decide.your written address is just you reechoing your original petition based on what you presented and canvassed in court.therefore based on evidences obi presented subjectively,it is failure.

True,not all cases require witnesses for instance cases commenced by originating summons or for electoral matters,matters bothering on exclusion or omission of results like in imo or purely constitutional matters that may require interpretation of certain statutes like in the fct case.but in this very case dealing on electoralal like violation of laws,reduction of votes,non qualification etc,witnesses are a must.
Obi's major focus was on inec not uploading results which needed witnesses to testify to that both at unit and collation level and glitches which also needed witnesses to attest to that.Even the only calculation he did which was purely done on irev was carried out by an expert witness.

famology:
fergie001thanks for your legal insight as usual.

Penguin2 emotions have blinded your sense of reasoning.

Nobody should come here and insult the Judges when judgement is delivered because this matter is quite predictable honestly.

Justice Raphael agbo is dead the number 2 in court of appeal

famology:
fergie001thanks for your legal insight as usual.

Penguin2 emotions have blinded your sense of reasoning.

Nobody should come here and insult the Judges when judgement is delivered because this matter is quite predictable honestly.

That is what I am trying to do by educating those dumbidients

Spy360:
You are very far from the courtroom my friend. It's in the addresses that proofs are made. There are some issues that can only come up in the addresses (eg the analysis of the results), while there are issues that are completely left for the court to decide (eg the interpretation of the law).

Why do you think the respondents chose to reserve their objections in the final address?

Final Address has been defined as a document intended for the court which summarizes the relevant facts, the law and a proposed analysis of a case, on behalf of a litigant.[1] In in the case of Kalu vs. State (2017) LPELR-42101(SC), the Supreme Court of Nigeria, defined final address in these words: “final address means the last or ultimate speech or submission made to the Court in respect of a matter before it, before the delivery of Judgment.”

The long and short of it is that – a final address is really written speech intended to persuade the Court.




From the above,you are off tangent....like you said,before a party objects in the final address,he must have orally stated so during the main hearing.
Proofs are brought or demonstrated in court during the main hearing publicly not in writing..you only re-echo or refer to it during your final address.final address is simply a summary of everything you have done and the prayers you request for.

BluntCrazeMan:
Nothing can be deduced until all the addresses and responses are presented..

Then you are unfamiliar with court procedures.cases are purely determined from the evidences and witnesses lead in court by petitioners.the case is won and lost.addresses are just summary and formalities

BluntCrazeMan:
Ok then.



We wait for the addresses and the judgement.

And the SC proceedings and judgement too.

You can clearly deduce what will happen from the evidences and 13 witnesses presented by obi

tutudesz:
Central was rigged by Ibori, but the numbers was not enough.
South riggers are far too many

If ibori rigged central,he would win his lga and sheriff will win only okpe.pdp won south narrowly which means agege tried.if his running mate was from ijaw,he would have south while central cancelled north

BluntCrazeMan:
If it affected, the Petitioners would have withdrawn their petition.

Obi was never going to withdraw no matter what.he will always try his luck

Penguin2:
So letters to journalists trumps the CTC of documents from the institution itself?

And are we now clear that it is not in all cases that the maker of the document might be required to appear in court?

Firstly,tinubu didn't submit transcript.
Secondly,atiku failed to call on CSU and nysc
Thirdly the CSU has acknowledged tinubu countless times