I am talking about you. When I meet native Americans, I will ask them that. Do you have a name?

Jesse01:
men not man my bad, what is a name, or what is in a name? d Native Americans name dere children wat dey see around dem, thus u have names like bush, wood spear,stone and co, dis names comes from what dey see, I can't believe what I don't see, dat y I can't trust any man, and dat bible, God and so on was written by man\men, and remembered man can't be trust worthy.

Who was the man? If I asked you your name, would you confidently tell me? Do you believe that you have a name? Did your name come from a man or from God?

Jesse01:
d bible was written by man,and man is deceitful, can't trust anything written by man, or u want to tell me dat d Bible was written by God himself? sorry can't trust it no man is trust worthy.

That is why I asked if you read the article before commenting. It says, "does science agree with..." not if the Bible agrees with...
We are not talking about scientific Theses, we are talking about scientific facts compared to the Bible's message.

Graycoder:


How do you want to talk about science without going into its thesis?

If the Bible does not agree with scientific thesis, then your post is shambles

Do you love God enough to find that out? At least to be sure that you are not being misled or to ensure that your worship is directed to the true God

diadem10:


Well, I don't know.

We are not going into scientific theses. Did you read the article before commenting?

Graycoder:
Fourth of all, There is nothing like an eternity in science. And nobody created the universe by just commanding it to happen.

what generation of science are you quoting?

Martinez19:
science says the earth is an oblate spheroid. the bible says the earth is flat and it's disc shaped.

Well, since you are not trustworthy, why do I have to take advice from you?
But, do you know that the Bible can actually teach you how to be honest and trustworthy?

Jesse01:
u don't dat y u don't have to believe everything u read in d good book

Does science agree that the earth is round?

Martinez19:
First of all, science is not in agreement with the fact that Yahweh exists.

So, why should I trust you and all you typed here?

Jesse01:
oh Neva mind, back to ur question, man itself is full of mysteries, do u think it wise to trust anything dat come's from his mouth?

Okay, but my question is on the origin of the godhead. Where in the Greek scriptures can I find the origin of that word?

diadem10:


The scriptures told us explicitly that Jesus is the Word of God made to become flesh and we know God regard his word more than his name, hence, it's not a rocket science that the fullness of God lies in his Word. Moreover, we were told that Jesus is the brightness of God's glory which means He completes God! But due to the fact that he was made into a flesh, he became the son of the most high God, even as we're the sons of the God.

To what extent?

Martinez19:
The bible and science doesn't agree with each other.

I do not understand you. Can you rephrase this?

Jesse01:
I though u are Atheist? or is it hopeful at hand

If no book written by man is ever trustworthy, how about words of men, are they trustworthy?

Jesse01:
I have been reading d bible,4 all I can remember.no book written by man is ever trustworthy to read,just pick what u can take out of it.

Yes, for although the Bible is not a science textbook, it is accurate when it mentions matters of science. Consider some examples showing that science and the Bible agree and that the Bible contains scientific facts that differed greatly from the beliefs of many people living at the time it was written.

The universe had a beginning. (Genesis 1:1) In contrast, many ancient myths describe the universe, not as being created, but as being organized from existing chaos. The Babylonians believed that the gods that gave birth to the universe came from two oceans. Other legends say that the universe came from a giant egg.
The universe is governed day-to-day by rational natural laws, not by the whims of deities. (Job 38:33; Jeremiah 33:25) Myths from around the world teach that humans are helpless before the unpredictable and sometimes merciless acts of the gods.
The earth is suspended in empty space. (Job 26:7) Many ancient peoples believed that the world was a flat disk supported by a giant or an animal, such as a buffalo or a turtle.
Rivers and springs are fed by water that has evaporated from the oceans and other sources and then has fallen back to earth as rain, snow, or hail. (Job 36:27, 28; Ecclesiastes 1:7; Isaiah 55:10; Amos 9:6) The ancient Greeks thought that rivers were fed by underground ocean water, and this idea persisted into the 18th century.
The mountains rise and fall, and today’s mountains were once under the ocean. (Psalm 104:6, In contrast, several myths say that the mountains were created in their current form by the gods.
Sanitary practices protect health. The Law given to the nation of Israel included regulations for washing after touching a dead body, quarantining those with infectious disease, and disposing of human waste safely. (Leviticus 11:28; 13:1-5; Deuteronomy 23:13) By contrast, one of the Egyptian remedies in use when these commands were given called for applying to an open wound a mixture that included human excrement.
Are there scientific errors in the Bible?

A reasonable examination of the Bible shows the answer to be no. Here are some common misconceptions about the scientific accuracy of the Bible:

Myth: The Bible says that the universe was created in six 24-hour days.

Fact: According to the Bible, God created the universe in the indefinite past. (Genesis 1:1) Also, the days of creation described in chapter 1 of Genesis were epochs whose length is not specified. In fact, the entire period during which earth and heaven were made is also called a “day.”—Genesis 2:4.

Myth: The Bible says that vegetation was created before the sun existed to support photosynthesis.—Genesis 1:11, 16.

Fact: The Bible shows that the sun, one of the stars that make up “the heavens,” was created before vegetation. (Genesis 1:1) Diffused light from the sun reached the earth’s surface during the first “day,” or epoch, of creation. As the atmosphere cleared, by the third “day” of creation, the light was strong enough to support photosynthesis. (Genesis 1:3-5, 12, 13) Only later did the sun become distinctly visible from the surface of the earth.—Genesis 1:16.

Myth: The Bible says that the sun revolves around the earth.

Fact: Ecclesiastes 1:5 says: “The sun rises, and the sun sets; then it hurries back to the place where it rises again.” However, this statement merely describes the apparent motion of the sun as viewed from the earth. Even today, a person can use the words “sunrise” and “sunset,” yet he knows that the earth revolves around the sun.

Myth: The Bible says that the earth is flat.

Fact: The Bible uses the phrase “the ends of the earth” to mean “the most distant part of the earth”; this does not imply that the earth is flat or that it has an edge. (Acts 1:8; footnote) Likewise, the expression “the four corners of the earth” is a figure of speech referring to the entire surface of the earth; today a person might use the four points of the compass as a similar metaphor.—Isaiah 11:12; Luke 13:29.

Myth: The Bible says that the circumference of a circle is exactly three times its diameter, but the correct value is pi (π), or about 3.1416.

Fact: The measurements of “the Sea of cast metal” given at 1 Kings 7:23 and 2 Chronicles 4:2 indicate that it had a diameter of 10 cubits and that “it took a measuring line 30 cubits long to encircle it.” These dimensions might have been merely the nearest round numbers. It is also possible that the circumference and diameter represented inner and outer measurements of the basin respectively.

How long did it take you to read it?
And, what would you consider as the most trustworthy book?

Jesse01:
read it my self, and truth to be told, it very confusing

Did you read the Bible to make such assertion or are you basing your thought on things you have been told?
And, what would you consider as the most trustworthy book?

Jesse01:
OK,but d bible is one of d most confused book ever written by man,from d old to d new testament,Eg, in d old testament, it States, God is one, No hell, and all dat,new testament, God is a Trinity, d wicked will burn in hell, it make's no sense

Because I believe that you should do some research on it to find out the truth in the controversial translation that you publicly quoted. The holy scriptures do not hold such view as godhead. It is a man-made inclusion and distortion to the holy scriptures. Neither Jesus nor his apostles taught that. So, as a Christian, I would want to know the source from which the 'godhead' was translated.

diadem10:

Dunno.
Why asking?

Science has made great strides in modern times. As a result, old theories have given way to new ones. What was once accepted as fact may now be seen as myth. Science textbooks often need revision.

THE Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say.

Free of unscientific views.
Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some practices that were ineffective at best, lethal at worst. But not once in its more than 1,100 chapters does the Bible endorse any unscientific views or harmful practices.

Scientifically sound statements.
Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) In the eighth century B.C.E., Isaiah clearly referred to “the circle [or, sphere] of the earth.” (Isaiah 40:22) A spherical earth held in empty space without any visible or physical means of support—does not that description sound remarkably modern?

Written about 1500 B.C.E., the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste.—Leviticus 13:1-5; Numbers 19:1-13; Deuteronomy 23:13, 14.

Partly as a result of turning powerful telescopes toward the heavens, scientists have concluded that the universe had a sudden “birth.” Not all scientists like the implications of this explanation. One professor noted: “A universe that began seems to demand a first cause; for who could imagine such an effect without a sufficient cause?” Yet, long before telescopes, the very first verse of the Bible plainly stated: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”—Genesis 1:1.

Even though it is an ancient book and touches on many subjects, the Bible contains no scientific inaccuracies. Does not such a book merit, at the very least, our consideration? *

and what is the Greek word for godhead according to your translation?

diadem10:


Col 2:9

Trinity itself has no trace to Christianity. Constantine converged all pagan worshipers to begin a distort that will stir controversy to true worship.

solite3:
tritheism is not trinity, that is why you have been getting John17:1 wrong.

solite3:
Jesus is not an extension of God but God himself 100%.
Saying Jesus is just an extension of God is a sort of modallism.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Modalism and the trinitarian doctrines have no place in the Bible. These are pagan beliefs edified by non-christians to distort the spread of the truth about God. God did not create controversy but we did. Where did godhead pull out from? Is it found in the Greek text? You do not go about spreading heresy without doing thorough research about the message you are putting out.
what is the Greek word for Godhead?

Yeah, for sure! I have answered your questions and you may check it when you are free. I always try to bring to your attention the disparity between your thought and your quote and to parse the conceptual connotation that the quoted Bible verses portray. Some of these Bible books were written by Jesus' apostles themselves and they clearly understand the difference between the man, Jesus and the spirit creature who ascended to God, the father and was given the kingship to rule mankind in Jehovah's kingdom. Take for example the apostle Peter, he walked with Jesus and he spent enormous time watching him closely and learning from him. We do not expect to have better understanding above such a person in regard to detailing the exact nature of Jesus.

Ferisidowu:

Yes I understand the issue that they don't align (([b](BUT THEY AREN'T CONTRADICTORY JUST AS "I AM ISNT CONTRADICTORY TO " I WILL OR I WILL BECOME """ THEY DONT ALIGN BUT THEY AGRE[/b]E ))) IF WHAT YOU MEAN BY THEY DONT ALIGN IS DIFFERENT FROM THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT PLS LET ME KNOW

I can't start typing all of that .... When I see a posts that has my views I take it and edit and post here

I asked some questions in my posts directed to you ... You can check and answer them

I'LL ALSO CHECK OTHER QUESTIONS YOU DIRECTED TO ME

diadem10:

Sorry, I meant Jesus Christ is the fullness of Godhead.

Is there a Bible verse that supports this?
Fullness of??
Godhead

My brother, thanks for the compliment. I do accept that this is a forum where people get on to share their views. I cannot force my opinions on you and vice versa. We only share and learn as well. I understand that it is not easy to change one's belief especially when he has held it all his life.
In a nutshell, there is no trophy to be won at the end of the day, so why should I go that low as to trading insults to denigrate strangers that may turn out to be my own relatives?
Possibly, some people have insulted their uncles on Nairaland. We only know our Monikers and you might even be my boss or neighbour.
This is a religion section and I suppose all visitors here are either "religious" or have interests in religion. Surprisingly, you see people quoting the Bible or Koran and in the next sentence they vomit strange words. You begin to wonder if they actually read the text that they quoted for others to read.

That's BTW, I did ask some questions in my previous posts. You may reply to them. I will be waiting to read from you. Though, do not copy and paste cos it doesn't always align.

Ferisidowu:
. Hmmm at this point I'm perplexed please embolden the part where I wrote that I support modalism.....

Anyway if it wasn't clear through the text I'm OFFICIALLY SAYING IT THAT IM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE MODALIST VIEW .....

BESIDES I don't know what it is with the watch out .... You have read my posts .....


I need you to give a post in support of your view ... I'd gladly read it .......

Also if we can't respect ourselves what are we Christians for.... I still enjoy the way lovingjehovah chats and show his objections


If we can't respect ourselves the thread is uncalled for ......


My resolution is make a post let's read and also make our objections it's like a debate and we are trying to pass our views to one another .....


I'm not saying you should accept my posts ..... But yet you should also help me with a comprehensive post .......

If there wouldn't be respect among ourselves then this conversation is over .........

As for lovingjehovah pls if you have any question from my posts you can ask and I'd love an excerpt from you if you less busy. I appreciate your maturity and respect ...
...

olamkas:

I will answer your questions when I have the time because I'm not a full timer like you. This is week day.

Okay, Sir. Just take your time for no one is in a hurry. Though, as a full-timer, I see you online on Nairaland spending equally the amount of time that I do but I understand that you are busy. I am also engaged during the week so I know how it feels to be busy.

olamkas:

Do not think I will dodge your questions but it never sound scholarly to me you've portrayed yourself so far. You already sound to have the seed of hatred in your heart which I have no bid for. Do you think we separate between the Prophets in Islam? Read Qur'an ch 2 v 285. I may say not all your questions are in place.

Pardon me if I do not sound scholarly disciplined. I request that you, the crème of the elite on this thread edify me by answering my questions. I have no hate for Islam or any Muslim. Kindly answer the questions that are in place first then we will later discuss how we can align the others to formation.

Ferisidowu:

b]Pointing to the fact that the angels are called “sons of God” at Job 38:7, [/b]a Jehovah’s Witness may object to your conclusions by saying that Jesus was claiming to be an angel, rather than God Himself. To this objection, read Hebrews 1:5 , “For example, to which one of the angels did he ever say: ‘You are my son; I, today, I have become your father’? And again: ‘I myself shall become his father, and he himself will become my son’?” Then ,I ask the Jehovah’s Witness the following questions:
Since the Bible does not contradict itself, why does Hebrews 1:5 say that God never said, “You are My Son” to any of His angels?
Doesn’t this mean that Jesus is called the “Son of God” in a different sense than angels are called God’s sons?
What does the Bible mean when it says that Jesus is the “Son of Man” at Matthew 26:64?
Since God is not a man (Hosea 11:9), could it be that Jesus is the “Son of Man” because He possesses the nature of man, being fully human?
Since Jesus is called the “Son of Man” because He is 100% man, what do you think Scripture means when it calls Jesus the “Son of God”? He must be 100% God, right?

Are you writing a narrative or are you copying and pasting as a quote? The above is confusing. I want to believe that I am having this conversation with a human.

Ferisidowu:

Common objections Jehovah’s Witnesses raise against the belief that Jesus is God are the facts that no human has seen God (John 1:18), but Jesus was seen (John 1:14);God cannot die (Habakkuk 1:12), but Jesus died (Philippians 2:; God cannot be tempted (James 1:13), but Jesus was tempted (Matthew 4:1); God knows all things (1 John 3:20), but Jesus did not know the day or hour of His return (Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32). To answer these objections, explain to the Jehovah’s Witness that because God in His very nature cannot be seen, tempted, nor physically die to pay for the sins of mankind, it was necessary for Jesus to add a human nature to His Divine person so that He could redeem mankind. Philippians 2:5-10 explains how Jesus continued to exist in God’s “form” (i.e., nature), but relinquished His right to enjoy equality with God so that He could limit Himself to the human nature he had adopted in order to redeem mankind. Thus, by adding a human dimension to His Divine person, Jesus became the visible “image of the invisible God” (Colossians 1:15). The following chart illustrates how Jesus limited Himself to the finiteness of His human nature at certain times, but expressed the God-attributes of His Divine nature at others:
DIVINE QUALITIES;
HUMAN QUALITIES
OMNIPOTENCE (All Power): Mark 2:7-12; 14:62-64; John 2:7-11
HUNGER & WEARINESS: Luke 4:2; John 4:6; Matthew 8:24
OMNIPRESENCE (Present Everywhere): John 1:48; Matt. 18:20; 28:20
LIMITED PHYSICAL BODY: Mark 3:9; John 11:32
OMNISCIENCE (All Knowledge): John 2:24-25; 6:64; 16:30
LIMITED KNOWLEDGE: Mark 13:32; John 11:34

Equivocation. I simply cannot understand what you are trying to imply. Are you advising people on how to fend off the JW by quoting a JW? I am a JW. Hello (waving)! What you might be trying to express above cannot change the Bible's message.

Ferisidowu:

Some struggle with the concept that Jesus can submit His will to the will of the Father and yet remain “equal” in nature to the Father. They may also question how Jesus can be “equal” to God, yet proclaim at John 14:28 that the Father is “greater” than Him. Here again, our human analogy comes into play to explain how this is the case. Ask the Jehovah’s Witness:
In God’s design for the family, doesn’t the human father hold the greatest authority within the family? Although the father may share his authority with the mother, would you not you agree that he is in a “greater” position than anyone else in the family and is the ultimate one in charge?

In Hebrews chapter 1 that you quoted earlier, verse 6 calls Jesus the firstborn of God. I doubt if you fathom the grammar used in the sentence.

Ferisidowu:
Does the fact that the human father is in a “greater” position of authority than anyone else in the family prove that his wife or his son or daughter is inherently inferior to him? If so, are we to argue that they are less human than their father is simply because they submit to his “greater” authority and obey his rules and guidelines?
Then, why argue that Jesus is inferior to God simply because He submits His will to the Father? At Luke 2:51, we read that Jesus “continued in subjection” to Mary and Joseph. Does this mean that Jesus was inferior to them?

If you could use a better and biblical example, you can find it here in 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
There is no equality between Jehovah and Christ. He is Jehovah's creation and he sits at Jehovah's right hand. You cannot co-equalize them by force because Jesus said in John 8:50 "I am not seeking glory for myself; but there is one who seeks it, and he is the judge". He has already told you who your God is in John 20:17. Anyone who does not accept it, does not have love for Jesus and his words.

Ferisidowu:

So when we are talking of son of God its different in scope and meaning with the general sons of God although each of the sons can be referred to as individual son of God ...... But not like the only son

Why not? Your illustration of the wife and children fits all. You said since they are all humans; same as the angels, they are all spirits, so call them Gods as well. Do not demur now.

Ferisidowu:

THE CHEMISTRY OF HOW JESUS BECAME HUMAN?
WE KNOW NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD

where is the providence when it is needed?

Ferisidowu:

I think other questions have been answered in the posts if you need me to enumerate .... I'll do that

MOSES CALLED HIS GOD JEHOVAH
[quote author=Ferisidowu post=62364805]
JESUS MEANS "Savior."
It means JEHOVAH SAVES

savior, Jehovah saves?
It is actually "Jehovah Is Salvation"

Ferisidowu:

ABOUT HOW I WAS HELPED!!!.
Its true Providence I believe when we pray and trust God he answers us ..
. its true Providence by helping get to know about the Greek words ... Not allowing me hold church doctrines but Bible doctrines etc ... Even being alive

Ferisidowu:

How can a dead man resurrect himself? Jesus was more than a man who died; Wicked men could kill His body, but they could not change His eternal nature or diminish His divine power. In John 10:17–18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and raise it up again.

Are you making things up or are you still in line with the Bible's teachings? You said that you understand all these by providence, yeah? Where did the bible say that Jesus was more than a man who died?

Ferisidowu:

Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He did not say, “My Father is the resurrection.” He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; life resides with Jesus, and He has absolute authority over life and death Jesus is God (some jw agree the issue here with them is MIGHTY OR ALMIGHTY) He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He is part of the One Being of God.

You are right, JW do agree that Jesus is the resurrection and life and it is made clear in Matthew 11:27 "All things have been handed over to me by my Father". Did you notice the preposition used in that verse? If Jesus is God to you as a result of John 11:25 how about the one handing all these things over to him? What would you call him?

Ferisidowu:

Who resurrected Jesus from the dead? God did,

such a thrilling and refreshing reply

Ferisidowu:

IN WHAT FORM WAS HE RESSURECTED

Jesus did rise from the dead in the same body he died in.

1 Peter 3:18 "...He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit'. Is the Bible wrong?

Ferisidowu:
Instead, it false that He rose as a spirit creature and that the material body of Jesus was taken away by God the Father. Therefore dont deny the physical resurrection of Christ. Is this important? Most definitely!

1 Peter 3:18 "...He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit'; 2 Corinthians 5:16 "...Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way". In John 6:51, are you eating of the bread?

Ferisidowu:

1 Cor. 15:14 says, "If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain." In other words, if Jesus did not rise from the dead, then Christianity is a waste of time; and we are then still dead in our sins. It is obvious that the doctrine of the resurrection of Jesus is a vital and essential element of Christianity
but what of the Jehovah's Witnesses? Are they accurate in their assessment of Jesus' resurrection in denying the bodily resurrection but affirming a "spiritual" resurrection? The answer is a definite, "No."

Unfortunately, you are wrong about the JW. We simply acept the Bible's teaching as true when it said in 1 Peter 3:18 "...He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit'. Do you refute that verse?

Ferisidowu:

It is obvious from Jesus' own words in John 2:19-21 that He would raise Himself from the dead:
"Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 20 The Jews therefore said, "It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body."
John 2:19-21 is a clear prophecy of Christ. Note that He said He would raise up "this temple." John the apostle clarifies for us that "this temple" was actually Jesus' physical body. Therefore, Jesus' physical body was raised from the dead. Very simple. However,I WANT YOU to believe Jesus' own words here.

Why are you contending with your own self? He will; he was

Ferisidowu:
Re examining ;;;
1 Pet. 3:18 where it says that Christ was "put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit" an attempt to show that Jesus was not raised physically but as a kind of spirit creature.
It says that He was "made alive in the spirit." What does that mean? Quite simply, it means that Jesus was raised in an imperishable body.

This is not funny, bro. Did you say that you received this by providence? I am shocked. How would you also explain 1 Corinthians 15:45 "...The last Adam became a life-giving spirit"?

Ferisidowu:

This is what 1 Cor. 15:35-45 says when it refers to the body as being sown perishable, but raised imperishable; sown in dishonor and raised in glory; sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body, etc. Jesus was the "Last Adam" - a life-giving spirit. Paul is typifying the resurrection body. In this passage Paul is talking about the resurrection of all people. All Christians will be raised in physical bodies. It is said the same of Jesus.

Shocking! I am really speechless at this unbiblical thought. This is also revealed to you by providence? Where does your God live?

Ferisidowu:
2.also The Bible says that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 15:44-50).
What the Jehovah's Witnesses miss is that after His resurrection Jesus said, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have," (Luke 24:39). You must note that Jesus did not say, "flesh and blood." He said, "flesh and bones." This is because Jesus' blood was shed on the cross. The life is in the blood, and it is the blood that cleanses from sin: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul," (Lev. 17:11). See also, Gen. 9:4; Deut. 12:23; and John 6:53-54. Jesus was pointing out that He was different. He had a body but not a body of flesh and blood. It was flesh and bones.

What is flesh made up of? What is the meaning of Body? What is the composition of the bones?
From where did that body come? From heaven or did it form here on earth?

Ferisidowu:

3. The Jehovah's Witnesses (please note that I hold no grudges ) teach that Jesus manifested different physical forms in order to convince the disciples that He had been raised.
This is faulty for several reasons. First, it would mean that Jesus was tricking His disciples into believing that His body had been raised when it hadn't. Second, it disregards the clear teaching of Jesus Himself who said His very body would be raised. He said in John 2:19-21, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."20Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?" 21But He was speaking of the temple of His body." Jesus said that His body would be raised.
. Fourth, 1 Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus." Jesus is said to be a man--in present-tense language. If He was not raised physically, then how could he be a man? He could not be.

since he is a man, how could he be a God? Does John 6:51 also indicate that he was tricking his disciples (the bread that I will give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.)? How about 1 Corinthians 15:45 (Jesus became a life-giving spirit.)? Since the Bible told us that he was raised a spirit in 1 Peter 3:18 (He was put to death in the flesh+ but made alive in the spirit), are you in contention with the Bible? Is it your thought against the word of God or the truth against your thought?

Ferisidowu:

JW also believe. Jesus manifested different bodies after the resurrection--the same way the angels took human form in the Old Testament in order to show the disciples that He had been raised.
Again, this contradicts what Jesus said in John 2:19-21 that He would raise Himself from the dead . . . physically.
. Jesus was God in flesh (John 8:58; John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9; Phil. 2:5-.
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus did not rise from the dead in the same body He died in. ...because it is denying His physical resurrection which is the proof that He conquered death. The Jehovah's Witnesses need to keep Jesus' own words in mind when He said, "Destroy this temple and in three days, I will raise it up." (John 2:19). Since He was speaking of His body says John in verse 21, then it must be true; Jesus rose from the dead in the same body He died in. Also, at His ascension people watched Him rise to be with the Father. They saw His body ascend. That is why it can be said that Jesus, the man, is the mediator between God and man. (1 Tim. 2:5). It isn't an angel or a spirit creature that is the mediator. It is Jesus the man.

If Peter, Jesus' apostle, who saw Jesus eye to eye and who was inspired by Jesus to write this verse of the Bible in 1 Peter 3:18 could relatively be called a liar by your explanation above, then I wonder where the providence you talk about came from? Did you see Jesus yourself or do you feel that you have more understanding of spiritual things than the apostle Peter? Or do you feel that you have more spiritual inspiration than apostle Paul when he wrote 1 Corinthians 15:45?

Ferisidowu:

WHY WAS HE CALLED SON
Because he was SON who learned obedience through things he suffered

But you said that he was the son of God before coming to the earth to suffer. If he is called the son because of what he learned and he only suffered in the earth. So was he not a son in the heaven prior to his time in the earth? Or did he also suffer in the heaven?

Ferisidowu:

EXPLAIN SON IN DIVINE TERMS?
Before I go into this let me talk about the Trinity
Before we can adequately defend the doctrine of the Trinity and the Deity of Jesus Christ, we must have an accurate understanding of what the Trinity is and what it is not.
The Trinity is the view that the three persons mentioned in the Bible: Father, Son (i.e., Jesus) and Holy Spirit are one God. This Triune God is called “Jehovah” in the Old Testament and “Lord” in the New Testament God is ELOHIM IN OLD TESTAMENT AND THEOS IN NEW TESTAMENT. Each person of the Godhead is distinct in His Personhood, yet each is equal in nature and eternal in uncreated substance[b]. Together as the one and only true God, they co-exist, co-create and co-rule this present world. [/b]There is a functional hierarchy that exists within the members of this Triune God. The Father, being the supreme person in authority, sends His “Son” Jesus Christ to redeem mankind, and the Son sends the Holy Spirit to indwell Christian believers. During the incarnation (Christ’s coming to earth), Jesus added a human nature to His Divine person. Thus, it was when He operated under the limitations of His humanity that He was unable to do things that He would otherwise have been able to do as God.
[b]Misconceptions[/b] regarding the Trinity doctrine occur when the doctrine is misdefined in Modalistic or Tritheistic terms. Modalism is the view that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit operate not only as one God, but as one person manifesting Himself in various modes at different times and places. In this view, the person of God may appear as the Father. At other times, He appears as the Son and then again as the Holy Spirit, but always as one person. The problem with this view is that if God is only “one person,” He would be unable to manifest as Father, Son and Holy Spirit at one time. Thus, we would have to discount Scriptural passages such as Matthew 3:16 where at the baptism of Jesus, all three persons manifested Themselves, and Genesis 1:26 where God refers to Himself in the plural pronouns of “Us” and “Our.”
Tritheism is the direct opposite of Modalism. It teaches that the three persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are not only distinct in their Personhoods, but are separate “Gods.” In the third and fourth centuries, the Church soundly defeated this view in favor of the clear teaching of Scripture that there is only one true God (John 17:3).
Thus, this single Being we call the Triune God came to be defined as three distinct Persons in one substance. During the fourth century, in an attempt to prevent Modalistic and Tritheistic views of God from being promulgated in Christian Churches, this belief was codified into the Creed of Athanasius. Throughout the centuries, the Athanasian Creed has served as the accepted standard by which Christians define the Trinity doctrine. Today, when witnessing to Jehovah’s Witnesses, it is often necessary to appeal to this creed in order to counter the Modalistic views of the Trinity presented in Watchtower literature. /quote]
You did not explain what the term "son" means in the divine sense. I will save the doctrine of the trinity for another day. Let us focus on Jesus and God first. [quote author=Ferisidowu post=62364705]
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I believe Jesus is God, but I DO NOT believe Jesus is the Father

JW do not doubt that Jesus is a god, but Jesus himself says that there is only one true God and that he is not the one in John 17:3. Do you believe in Jesus? In John 20:17 he said that your God is Jehovah. Once again, do you believe in Jesus?

Ferisidowu:


1) I can't settle your word "become" since no one becomes God ... Now since it's evident from Hebrew 1:10 that he has been God from the beginning for if he had laid the foundations of the world from the beginning he must have been before that so since he is before beginning
Then I'm directing a question to you when was the statement in Isaiah 9:6 made it's evident that this statement wasn't made in itself from the beginning . When we agree about when that prophecy was made and when and when he made the heavens and the earth then it will be obvious "when he become God" not that he became God I was just putting it in your words

To answer your question I will like to draw your attention to the grammar used in the verse that you quoted (Isaiah 9:6), "he will be called...Mighty God" Become stems from the verb "to be" so try to settle it. And the book of Isaiah was completed in 732 BCE which was about 730 years before Jesus was born. Now, here is the question, When was the world created? What is 'the world'?

Ferisidowu:

2) IT OBVIOUS that his essence never changed is the eternal word of God if we look at the prophecy at Isaiah 9:6 we see that it's a prophecy about the Messiah (man Christ) yet the prophecy reads "mighty God" so it was evident that the man Jesus was (is) mighty God (my question to you is if he was called mighty God and God is Almighty does that mean we have 2 God's or JUST RELATE MIGHTY GOD AND ALMIGHTY GOD that means that the Messiah never stopped being God ..

To answer your question, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 says, "there are so-called gods, ...in heaven..." Jesus then said that the ONLY true one out of all is Jehovah. Judging by your analogy, in superlative term we may go by Exodus 7:1(I have made you); Isaiah 9:6(will be); John 17:3(The only). How about that? Do you agree?

Ferisidowu:

On mark 13;32 Basically we know that Christ knows all things e.g

This is actually what that verse says, Mark 13:32 "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Ferisidowu:

John 16:30 "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God."

Jesus said in John 5:30 I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear. John 5:19 the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he "sees" his Father doing

Ferisidowu:

John 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You " Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.

John 6:44 "No one can come to me "unless" the Father "who sent me" draws them.


Isaiah 11:2
The Spirit "of' the Jehovah will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Jehovah.

Ferisidowu:
And also the husband issue with the woman at the well but then how do we reconcile Mark with these verses """Verse 32. Neither the Son] This clause is not found either in Matthew or Luke;. To me it is utterly unaccountable, how Jesus, who knew so correctly all the particulars which he here lays down, and which were to a jot and tittle verified by the event - how he who knew that not one stone should be left on another, should be ignorant of the day and hour when this should be done, though Daniel, Da 9:24, c., could fix the very year, not less than five hundred years before it happened: how he in whom the fulness of the Godhead dwelt bodily, and all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, should not know this small matter, I cannot comprehend, but on this ground, that the Deity which dwelt in the man Christ Jesus might, at one time, communicate less of the knowledge of futurity to him than at another. However, I strongly suspect that the clause was not originally in this Gospel. Its not being found in the parallel places in the other evangelists is, in my opinion, a strong presumption against it. But Dr. Macknight, and others, solve this difficulty in the following manner. They suppose the verb οιδεν to have the force of the Hebrew conjugation Hiphel, in which verbs are taken in a causative, declarative, or permissive sense and that it means here, make known, or promulge, as it is to be understood in 1Co 2:2. This intimates that this secret was not to be made known, either by men or angels, no, not even by the Son of man himself; but it should be made known by the Father only, in the execution of the purposes of his justice. I am afraid this only cuts the knot, but does not untie it...... So if it's about growing in knowledge of it as man he didn't know ....

This is copy and paste from a blog. It does not tally because it is only equivocation.

Ferisidowu:
You can also resolve it please I'd appreciate your view or is it that he doesn't know all things

resolve what?

Ferisidowu:

3) DID JESUS DIE FOR 3 DAYS
Yes he was dead for three days from human point of view (sincerely I don't understand your question you can paraphrase .... What I understand it to be is" WAS HE DORMANT""

Are you human? If he was dormant, how was he able to redeem you with his blood? 1 Corinthians 15:2-3 "By this gospel you are saved, ...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures".
Are you sure that you can ever be saved by holding on to your dormancy theory?
The question is 100% correct and biblical. How best can I rephrase it? OK, was Jesus dead for 3 days?

Ferisidowu:

4) WHEN HE DIED DID THE FATHER DIE AS WELL
WE ALL KNOW THE ANSWER IS NO ..... TO ME THE QUESTION IS TOO COMPLEX OR it's NOT NEEDED
BECAUSE even JESUS when he was dead in the body WAS STILL VERY ACTIVE IN SPIRIT

If you didn't understand the previous question, how were you able to admit to it now? I emboldened it for you to read your answer again. Now, since you admit that the father did not die, yet Jesus and the father are the same God, what is the separation that caused Jesus to die and not the father? What is the meaning of death?

Ferisidowu:

Jesus’ body, not His spirit, died and was buried later in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea (John 19:38-42).It was His body that was stabbed with a spear. It was His hands and feet that were nailed to the cross and bleeding. It was His back that was raw and bleeding because of the Roman whip. His head was also bleeding because of the thorns that had been shaped into a crown and pushed down onto His head. It was His body that died and not His spirit.
The scripture reveals that we have a body and a spirit. It tells us that our bodies are dead without a spirit.
For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (NASB) James 2:26
Therefore, when Jesus gave up His spirit on the cross, His body died, but not His spirit. It was still alive. In fact, the following two passages tell us what Jesus was doing while Jesus’ body was dead between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.

Did his spirit form when he was in Mary's womb?
Matthew 27:50 "...he gave up his spirit". How did he give it up? What does it mean to give up something?

Ferisidowu:
Therefore it says, “WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES, AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN.” (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth? He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.) (NASB) Eph. 4:8-10
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. (NASB) 1 Pet. 3:18-20
Besides you can't preach to unconscious being s

Did he descend as a child and did he return as a child? Where is the lower part of the earth? Do you have firm knowledge about the earth and the universe?

Ferisidowu:

5) WHO RESURRECTED HIM?
OF COURSE THE FATHER ,,,,""All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.""""

In Acts 2:24, Peter says that “God raised [Jesus] from the dead” (see also Romans 8:11 and 2 Corinthians 4:14).

. And in John 2:19 Jesus predicts that He will raise Himself from the dead (see also John 10:18). So who exactly resurrected Jesus from the dead? Was it the Father, the Son.

The basic answer is that “God has raised . . . Jesus to life” (Acts 2:32). The Father is God, and the Father raised His Son to life on the third day after the crucifixion (Romans 6:4; 2 Corinthians 13:4). The Spirit is also God, and the Spirit had a part in raising Jesus from the dead. The Son is also God, and the Son, too, was responsible for His own resurrection.

I emboldened some texts above which i agree with but you are contradicting yourself. The father, the spirit, the son himself... Jesus said "i will", the Bible said, "God raised". Can you spot the difference in the tenses? Romans 8:11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. Are you in contention with the Bible?

Yes, I am a full timer and with all due respect, your aggression is unworthy. I didn't insult you or incite hatred toward Islam. All I did was ask you questions about the religion that you put your faith in and claim to be the only true religion above mine. You said that mine is man made. So, I am curious to get the answers from you. There must be reasons why yours is the religion from God as you said. I accept to be ignorant to Islam so edify me by answering my questions.
Listen, I know the art of pivoting so do not dodge my questions by using sentimental slurs.
We will have a private chat for sure but for the interest of having a closure on the issue that you raised on this thread, kindly respond to my questions.
I will repost them here to make it easy for you.
QUESTIONS

If your koran is truly a book from God and brought to Mohammed by angel Jibril (Gabriel), when does it say that the world would end?
What prophecies in the koran has achieved notable and accurate fulfilment?
Does the koran give historical names of notable people in history that scientists or archaeologists have been able to reconcile? If yes, give us reference please.
The Bible that you critic contains detail in history that we find useful and staggering. I will like to see such in the koran for example, do you believe in the hanging garden of Babylon? Do you believe that there was someone called sennacherib in history?
What does Jerusalem mean to Islam?
Compare Jerusalem and Mecca in Islam.
What is the koran, a book of the law, a history book, a book of God, a book of the angel or a book of the prophet?

In what language was the 10 commandments given to Musa written?
If it wasn't Arabic, why was the koran then written in Arabic?
What is the language of the Angels since angel Jibril spoke Arabic to Mohammed?
How logical is it to have a book written in a strange language, recited by adults who cannot understand that language, and yet claim that their faiths are in that book?
When was the Koran first translated?
In what language were you taught the koran?
Are you an Arab?
If you believe in Musa(Moses), what was the name that Musa called his God and in what language?
What historical trace links you to the God of Musa?
If Islam was so pure, why are all Islamic states failing?
If the God of Islam is true, why wasn't he able to defeat the God of the Jews?
In what way was Musa given the 10 Commandments and in what way did Mohammed receive his message?
Why the confusing method of communication? Could it have been different God's?
Allah is a title (God), what, then, is the true name of Allah? (Reconcile it with the name Musa called his God and provide evidence)
When was the first pronouncement of the word 'Allah'?
Before your mysterious visitation of Mohammed by the angel, what god did Mohammed worship? In what book did he find the law of his god? And what is that book called?
Why is Mohammed more popular than Musa or Ibrahim?
Why is Mohammed's book given superior consideration than Musa' book?
Why is sex and virginity the highest reward to Muslim heroes?
If you believe in Isa(Jesus) as a messenger as your koran says, where are the messages that he preached written?
If God could send Jibril to write a book, why then did he send so many messengers?
If your god is the truth, why do you face the east? Does he live in the Sun?
If you worship the same God as Musa, did he face the east to pray?
What relationship does the worship of God have with the moon?
Did Musa observe the moon?
If Islam is truly the best religion, why isn't Saudi Arabia your holy land taking in Muslim refugees?
Why did 3 Islamic states lose to Israel in the 60ies n 70ies?
Why have Muslims taken up guns and bombs when your prophet says sword?
Why are you socialising with the infidels on this thread, have you come with the motive to cut the neck?
Why are Muslims still puppets to the west?

olamkas:

I can see you are a full timer here so you can run your fingers to type ignorantly. You can't dear compare Islam which is a religion from God to Christianity that is man made. We muslims have common grounds on core issues of faith especially partaining to God in His Oneness. It's really unfortunate for you guys.
Anyway, I had sent a mail request to you for private chat if at all you care.

Ferisidowu:
hello pls calm down all I can't answer all of this at a time. ...

I will be patient. Take your time. Let me bring the questions forward for reference.
QUESTIONS

When did Jesus become God, when he was on earth or when he returned to heaven?
If it was here on earth why didn't he know the date and hour as he was asked? Mark 13:32
If it was in heaven, then why did he say he and his father were one when he was in his human form?
Is God in human form?
Did Jesus die for 3 days?
When he died, did the father die as well?
Who resurrected him?
In what form was he resurrected?
Why was he called a son?
Explain the word 'son' in divine terms.
Can you explain the chemistry involved in how Jesus became human?
When he was in Mary's womb, who was God for that 9 months and also during his childhood and teen years?
Was Jesus sent to the earth or did he send himself?
What is the name that Moses called his God in the Hebrew language?
What is the meaning of that name?
What is the meaning of the name, Jesus?
What is the meaning of God?
Differentiate between Mighty and Almighty.
In what way did God help you to understand the doctrines? How did the help come exactly?

Ferisidowu:
I identify with the Presbyterian church

Thanks for this answer. There are two other posts that you skipped. Can you kindly supply answers to those questions?