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Religion / Why Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Maintain Political Neutrality? by lovingJehovah: 10:04pm On Nov 01, 2017
Jehovah’s Witnesses remain politically neutral for religious reasons, based on what the Bible teaches. We do not lobby, vote for political parties or candidates, run for government office, or participate in any action to change governments. We believe that the Bible gives solid reasons for following this course.

We follow the example of Jesus, who refused to accept political office. (John 6:15) He taught his disciples to be “no part of the world” and made it clear that they should not take sides in political issues.—John 17:14, 16; 18:36; Mark 12:13-17.
We are loyal to God’s Kingdom, which Jesus spoke of when he said: “This good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth.” (Matthew 24:14) As representatives of God’s Kingdom, commissioned to proclaim its coming, we remain neutral in the political affairs of all countries, including the one where we live.—2 Corinthians 5:20; Ephesians 6:20.
By remaining neutral, we are able to speak freely to people of all political persuasions about the good news of God’s Kingdom. We try to show by our words and practices that we rely on God’s Kingdom to solve the world’s problems.—Psalm 56:11.
Since we avoid political divisions, we are united as an international brotherhood. (Colossians 3:14; 1 Peter 2:17) In contrast, religions that meddle in politics divide their members.—1 Corinthians 1:10.
Respect for governments. Although we do not take part in politics, we respect the authority of the governments under which we live. This is in harmony with the Bible’s command: “Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities.” (Romans 13:1) We obey the law, pay taxes, and cooperate with efforts of the government to provide for the welfare of its citizens. Rather than participate in any attempt to subvert the government, we follow the Bible’s counsel to pray for “kings and all those who are in positions of authority,” especially when they are making decisions that could affect freedom of worship.—1 Timothy 2:1, 2, footnote.

We also respect the rights of others to make their own decisions in political matters. For example, we do not disrupt elections or interfere with those who choose to vote.

Is our neutrality a modern innovation? No. The apostles and other first-century Christians took an identical stand toward governmental authority. The book Beyond Good Intentions states: “Though they believed they were obligated to honor the governing authorities, the early Christians did not believe in participating in political affairs.” Similarly, the book On the Road to Civilization says that early Christians “would not hold political office.”

Is our political neutrality a threat to national security? No. We are peace-loving citizens from whom governmental authorities have nothing to fear. Consider a 2001 report produced by the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine. Commenting on our political neutrality, the report stated: “Today some may dislike this stand of Jehovah’s Witnesses; it was a basic reason for their being accused by the totalitarian Nazi and Communist regimes of the past.” Yet, even under Soviet repression, the Witnesses “remained law-abiding citizens. They honestly and selflessly worked in collective farms and at industrial plants and presented no threat to the Communist regime.” Likewise today, the beliefs and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses do not, the report concluded, “undermine the security and integrity of any state.”
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 9:18pm On Nov 01, 2017
I have read many of your previous posts and your sinister motive is very clear. You are an anti-Jehovah's Witnesses. Sadly, we do not set out on our daily activities to please you or your cohort. We owe our lives and service to the one who gave us life and our hope of everlasting life.
Nkem, you are insignificant to us because the devil cannot stand between us and our loving God, Jehovah (Isaiah 41:10). What do we care about your argument with a Catholic?
You are a sadistic person carrying out the will of your father, the devil as you may read in John 8:44 (You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies). You have told so many iniquitous lies against us and even claimed that one of our members wore a wristwatch worth $21,000 on air and you keep spreading the lies online.
This is the only way you can satisfy your urge as Proverbs 4:16 (For they cannot rest until they do evil; they are robbed of sleep till they make someone stumble) perspicuously describes you.
I asked you of your own doctrine and you simply denied your god and your faith. What a Christian! Matthew 10:33 (But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven). This is someone blaspheming the Jehovah's Witnesses who are bold and proud of their faith and belief You told me that you have no doctrine (John 8:44). When a genuine or sincere person disagrees with someone's faith, he presents what he feels is the better faith with evidence. At least Jehovah's Witnesses present a positive message even if you don't agree with it. But for you to make a lopsided attack without anything to propound, it becomes futile and questionable. Your attack is not based on our doctrines, it is based on resentment and spite and that is why you evaded questions that might open your can of worms.
How can someone without a doctrine judge the Jehovah's Witnesses who fearlessly carry the message of the Bible to every door in favorable and unfavorable seasons as Jesus commanded in 2 Timothy 4:1-2 (1 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his Kingdom: 2 Preach the word; be at it urgently in favorable times and difficult times; reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all patience and art of teaching)?
A sane and spiritual mind will always count on the Bible and not on false stories copied from anti-JW bloggers.
Nkem, it is not by force to listen to us. If you do not want to hear the message, act mature like others and be civilized about it. We do not force the message of the Bible upon you.
Ultimately, since you cannot converse in a civilized manner with Jehovah's Witnesses without being inciteful, I am a proud member who is proud of his doctrine and his God, Jehovah. As Christians, we endeavour to apply the counsel given to us in 2 Timothy 2:23 (Further, reject foolish and ignorant debates, knowing that they produce fights).
To this end, I choose to end this conversation here and I thank you for your time.
It is baseless and a massive waste of time with you.
Take win and leave

nkembaby008:


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My dear, is everything well at home? Because this your write up indicates something deeper is wrong oh. "You're not our toys", "you're not disturbed by what we say", "I have never like you and I probably but at the same time must have made posts disparaging you."

Re-read your post and tell me if a sane person will type all of that because I talked about your doctrines that were false and you couldn't even defend.
I've had arguments with a catholic friend about some of their doctrines and not once did he make it as an attack on their church and their person. Why does your religion like to act like you're persecuted?
You want to know my religion and consider my doctrines to deflect from your own? Lmao, I don't have any religion, oya consider my doctrine.
Religion / Why Don’t Jehovah’s Witnesses Go To War? by lovingJehovah: 2:14pm On Nov 01, 2017
For the following reasons, Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t go to war:

Obedience to God. The Bible says that God’s servants would “beat their swords into plowshares” and not “learn war anymore.”—Isaiah 2:4.
Obedience to Jesus. The apostle Peter was told by Jesus: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matthew 26:52) Jesus thus showed that his followers would not take up weapons of warfare.
Jesus’ disciples obey his command to be “no part of the world” by remaining strictly neutral in political matters. (John 17:16) They do not protest against military actions or interfere with those who choose to serve in the armed forces.
Love for others. Jesus commanded his disciples to “love one another.” (John 13:34, 35) They would thus form an international brotherhood in which no member would ever wage war against his brother or sister.—1 John 3:10-12.
The example of early Christians. The Encyclopedia of Religion and War states: “The earliest followers of Jesus rejected war and military service,” recognizing those practices as “incompatible with the love ethic of Jesus and the injunction to love one’s enemies.” Likewise, German theologian Peter Meinhold said of those early disciples of Jesus: “Being a Christian and a soldier was considered irreconcilable.”
Contributions to the community

Jehovah’s Witnesses are useful members of society and pose no threat to the security of the countries where they live. We respect governmental authority, in harmony with these Bible commands:

“Be in subjection to the superior authorities.”—Romans 13:1.
“Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.”—Matthew 22:21.
Thus, we obey the law, pay our taxes, and cooperate with the government’s efforts to provide for the public welfare.
Religion / What Does The Bible Say About Tattoos? by lovingJehovah: 2:08pm On Nov 01, 2017
The Bible mentions tattoos just once, at Leviticus 19:28, which says: “You must not put tattoo marking upon yourselves.” God gave this command to the nation of Israel, thus setting them apart from the neighboring peoples who marked their skin with the names or symbols of their gods. (Deuteronomy 14:2) While the Law given to Israel is not binding on Christians, the principle underpinning this law is worth serious consideration.

Should a Christian get a tattoo or body art?

The following Bible verses can help you to reason on the matter:

“Women should adorn themselves with . . . modesty.” (1 Timothy 2:9, New American Bible) That principle applies to both women and men. We should respect the feelings of others and not draw undue attention to ourselves.
Some want to establish their identity or independence, while others get a tattoo in order to assert ownership of their body. However, the Bible encourages Christians: “Present your bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.” (Romans 12:1) Use your “power of reason” to analyze why you want a tattoo. If it is because you want to follow a fad or to show membership in a certain group, remember that your feelings may prove to be less permanent than the tattoo. Examining your motives can help you to make a wise decision.—Proverbs 4:7.
“The plans of the diligent one surely make for advantage, but everyone that is hasty surely heads for want.” (Proverbs 21:5) The decision to get a tattoo is often made in haste, yet it can have a long-term impact on relationships and employment. And tattoos can be costly and painful to remove. Research—as well as the booming business of tattoo removal—shows that a large number of those who get tattoos eventually wish that they hadn’t.
Religion / Should I Get A Tattoo? by lovingJehovah: 1:56pm On Nov 01, 2017
What is the attraction?

“I think some tattoos are beautiful works of art,” says a young man named Ryan.
The motive for getting a tattoo might affect how you feel about getting one. For example, a teenager named Jillian says: “When a girl I went to school with was little, her mom died. So when she became a teenager, the girl got her mom’s name tattooed on the back of her neck. I think a tattoo like that can be very sweet.”

Regardless of the motive, you should think long and hard before deciding to have anything permanently inked into your skin! What questions should you consider if you are thinking about getting a tattoo? And what Bible principles can help you make the best decision?

What questions should you ask?

What are the health risks? “Tattoos breach the skin, which means that skin infections and other complications are possible,” says the website of the Mayo Clinic. “Sometimes bumps called granulomas form around tattoo ink. Tattooing also can lead to keloids—raised areas caused by an overgrowth of scar tissue.” Furthermore, the website notes: “If the equipment used to create your tattoo is contaminated with infected blood, you can contract various bloodborne diseases.”

How would it affect your reputation? Like it or not, your appearance sends a message. It identifies you as either adultlike or immature, as either trustworthy or irresponsible. “Whenever I see someone with a tattoo, I automatically put him in the drinking-and-partying category,” says a teenager named Samantha.

Melanie, 18, sees another aspect to it. “To me,” she says, “tattoos hide your natural beauty. It’s as if those who wear them don’t want you to see who they really are, so they hide themselves underneath tattoos.”
Will you always like it? Over time, weight gain or even simple aging can stretch and distort a tattoo. “I’ve seen what tattoos look like on a person decades later, and it’s not pretty,” says a young man named Joseph.

“Tattoos often become outdated,” says 21-year-old Allen. “What was once significant to the wearer might not be important just a few years later.”
Allen makes a good point. The fact is, as people age, their views change, their tastes change, and their affections change—but their tattoos do not. “Having got a tattoo that only reminds me of foolish feelings is something I wouldn’t want to add to the list of things I regret years later,” says a young woman named Teresa.

What Bible principles apply?

A mature person takes time to weigh all factors before making a decision. (Proverbs 21:5; Hebrews 5:14) So consider the following Bible principles that have a bearing on the subject of tattoos.

Colossians 3:20: “You children, be obedient to your parents in everything, for this is well-pleasing to the Lord.”
What consequences might you experience if you live at home with your parents but fail to respect their direction?
1 Peter 3:3, 4: “Do not let your adornment be external—the braiding of hair and the wearing of gold ornaments or fine clothing—but let it be the secret person of the heart in the incorruptible adornment of the quiet and mild spirit.”
Why, do you think, does the Bible put such emphasis on “the secret person of the heart”?
1 Timothy 2:9: “Women should adorn themselves . . . with modesty and soundness of mind.”
What is the meaning of the word “modesty”? In the long term, why is modesty more attractive than body art?
Romans 12:1: “Present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason.”
Why does the way you treat your body matter to God?
In view of these factors, many people have decided against getting a tattoo. In fact, they have found something better than tattoos. Teresa, quoted earlier, says: “If there is a phrase or slogan that you truly love or a person who is important to you, then live by that phrase or tell that person how much he or she means to you. Instead of getting a tattoo, live what you believe.”
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 9:49am On Nov 01, 2017
I don't get it, you just jumped into a conversation. Anyway, are these your doctrines or are subjects that you would like to edify?
ReinaFarine:


The Holy Bible,
The Godhead,
Virgin birth of Christ,
Total depravity,
Repentance,
Restitution,
Justification,
Water baptism,
Lord's supper,
Sanctification,
Holy Ghost baptism,
Redemption,
Personal evangelism,
Marriage,
Rapture,
Resurrection of the Dead,
Great Tribulation,
Second coming of Christ,
Christ's millennial reign,
Great White Throne Judgment,
New Heaven and the New Earth, and
Hell fire.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 5:18am On Nov 01, 2017
Since you cannot talk about your own religion, it simply means that you are not bold enough to represent it. If you could represent it, then you will truly believe in your doctrines and be proud of it. You cannot take the heat that you give to others. Casting aspersion on the Jehovah's witnesses is not a neo-movement, it has been going on for centuries.
Mr. Hairyrapunzel, I have asked you about your own faith and you ignored me. You condemn my faith yet you propound no faith for me to embrace. If you truly care about the JW you should at least put an alternative on the table. Simply tell me the religion that you feel most comfortable with and I will consider if it is worth the switch. Since you have no faith, I will draw the line of our conversation right here.
And you reckon that I told you from the Begining, I was only having a conversation with Oruma before you jumped in and started disparaging us. It is useless having a conversation with you because you are having your fun and we are not even talking about God or our beliefs.
So, enjoy your life and thank you for your time.
Hairyrapunzel:


You wouldn't be saying this, therefore it counts.




I hope you ain't referring to Hitler? Jews have seen tougher times than you guys.
Hiding behind uncles laptops throwing shades? Except your doctrines are now shades. But you throw shades at Babylon the great. It's a shades world and you don't need to worry cos you have paradise earth and Armageddon in your head. Maybe thinking about them will give you solace.



People attack various religions on earth so don't make it look like the issue is peculiar to your religion.
You know someone is significant when the other party has to say they are insignificant.


everything is written in your magazines and I have a brain to think for myself. Then Wikipedia and Google are also doing a good job.


But you are disturbed by it.


Jehovah's spirit that is always changing his direction, predictions and doctrines. Guide indeed.

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Who feels threatened by your presence? You've got to be kidding me. In most developed countries your growth rate reads minus. Developing countries have more gullible people who they tend to believe your crap.
Ask your mother, father or who ever brought you people into the organization, they were either depressed, lonely, divorced, in mourning or poor so they joined probably thinking the world was going to end in 1975, but it didn't. They couldn't leave after the great disappointment because of their shunning policy.
The button line is that, your religion attracts mentally unstable people. Why should stable and happy people be threatened by abnormal people?


As far as you preach the destruction of all non jws by your god because they didn't join an organization, then you are against 8 billion people.


Just like the way you keep waiting for Armageddon and paradise earth to come.



I am not easily deceived. Fear will not even allow them enter my house. Panic hmmm.


Just like you keep attacking Babylon the great.


They know you shun your living relatives even till they die because they left your religion. They also know your doctrines. Royindra Muslims are being killed by Myanmar forces, therefore they are are special.


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Its obvious they are your worst nightmare. They even have to warn you guys to avoid them on internet.


Why should my religion be your utmost concern?


Are you not a greater judge? Disfellowship, shunning, blood transfusion ban, death of all non jws in Armageddon etc are all forms of judgement. Pot calling kettle black.



I am neither writing a book nor an English language exam. This is social media if you have anything with my punctuation keep it to yourself Narcissist
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 5:05am On Nov 01, 2017
we do not force you to like us and we are not your toys. Do you get that? If you insult us, it doesn't change anything about us. Say whatever you feel and we are not disturbed. You have never liked us and we do not feel pity for ourselves because we are confident of our God and our message. You have always had the perception that we are a cult and you probably must have made many posts disparaging us, so how can that be a worry to us?
Do tell, what can we do about that? You can go on insulting us but you cannot say that of any other religion. Because they will come for you with all they have. You can only say that to the JW because they are peace-lovers and not that they are insane or unlettered.
what is your religion? Please, tell us if you are proud of it and I will consider your doctrines.
Can you tell the public your doctrines and correct us where we have got it wrong instead of casting aspersion?
nkembaby008:


wow! What a christian you are. I can bet money that no sane human being on this earth is threatened by the presence of Jehovahs witnesses. People look at you lot, as a cult full of brain washed people with un-Christian flip-flopping doctrines. Or they are just irritated by people who knock on their doors preaching a message they can't successfully defend.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 8:29pm On Oct 31, 2017
Your opinion does not count. We have seen tougher men with political powers come harder than hiding behind their uncle's laptops to throw shades. You are insignificant compared to the pressure and attack that Jehovah's witnesses take on this earth. If not for bloggers you would not be able to construct those words in your comment. We are not disturbed by all those libelous rants. They do nothing to us because we are guided by Jehovah's spirit. We just serve God and people feel threatened by our presence. Jesus said if they are not against us, they are for us. Are we against you? Why would you waste your time chasing shadows? Jehovah's Witnesses are not coming for you, bro! Do not panic, mate! You have attacked all the Jehovah's witnesses on this section and still, you are not pleased. We are on the field every day so we face bigger insults and curses than internet trolls can ever throw at us. Trolls are the least on the pyramid.
Okay, let us talk. What is your religion?
You do not even know me to call me a narcissist. Aren't you judging?
Seriously bro, try to improve on your punctuation.
Hairyrapunzel:


You should learn basic grammar rules too. Like your spellings are also correct. I agree I am contentious and confrontational. You on the other hand, are a narcissist and a sly human being.


I am not into confrontations my foot. It still doesn't change the fact that your imperfect 7old male illiterates in new York teach you toxic stuff and fill your brains with them.

Anyone who criticises your organization hates you or is insulting you. Always playing the blame game.

You will kill your child by refusing him/her blood transfusion. You will also shun someone who leaves your religion and the height of it all you wish billions dead because they chose not to belong to your organization and also want to justify these evil acts using the Bible.

Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 7:34pm On Oct 31, 2017
As you probably would notice that the message you quoted was sent to someone called Oruma. I have read many of your insults thrown at us, Jehovah's witnesses and I thought it wasn't wise to even begin a conversation with a contentious and confrontational person like you. #Personaladvice Before you call people illiterates, you must first learn the basic English grammar rules. Check your spelling and presentation!
I am not into confrontations of this sort, so enjoy your day, gentleman.
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Hairyrapunzel:

What of your governing body? Those 7 old imperfect illiterate men in new York have taken the place of Jesus in your lives. They even claim to be the channel your food is dispended
They are your renowned men.
Brainwashing is real mehn.

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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 7:21pm On Oct 31, 2017
We do appreciate that you took your time to visit our facilities. It might be a fact that you probably must have met some questionable members of Jehovah's Witnesses but that does not define our organization or our faith. Even Jesus had a betrayer in 12 and the Bible said that among us there will be wolves. There is an arrangement for that in our organization where unrepentant sinners are disfellowshipped to keep the congregation from being corrupted by unwholesome acts according to 1 Corinthians 5:11.
Oruma, I stopped for a while to listen to you and your belief and what was your response? I asked you questions regarding your faith but you declined. Jehovah's witnesses are bold anytime, any day to reason FROM the scriptures with everyone. The Bible does not encourage debate or argument so we try to avoid it when it gets to that point.
It is not our fault that we are not loved. Jesus said that if we are of the world, the world would love us. We do not expect to be loved, all we pray for is Jehovah's mercy and undeserved kindness to help us live out the last days. We are not perfect, to say the least, and never feel superior to anyone. We are all fighting the race and the Bible says that only those who endure to the end will win it. We only guard our faith and our heart to stay focus on serving Jehovah.
I am a professional in my field of work and people admire that, but when they notice that I am a Jehovah's witness, they suddenly turn cold toward me. I get that reaction a lot. We do not thrive in hypocrisy but we endeavor to do the will of our God, Jehovah. Judge us by our doctrines if they are Biblical and not by unscrupulous characters that you may have encountered. We are over 8 million and I wonder how many Jehovah's witnesses you have met so far.
So far so good you do not open your newspaper to hear evil stories about us. We do not threaten your security. We do not engage in wars. The much you have seen are bloggers from other denominations trying to smear us with blasphemous shades. To that end, We are not bothered at all.
We take the message to people in our neighborhoods and we pray they accept it. Not all will, but if we find one out of 100, we are happy. We are not interested in numbers. We want sincere-hearted servants of Jehovah to praise him as we enter the final part of the last days.



oruma19:
I have visited Igieduma (bethel) and Ubogo near warri for ur conventions severally. I am not talking as a novice. Ur doctrine isn't balanced. U people say one thing and do the other. I don't know of any JW that lives right, u thrive in hypocricy. I am sure that even u talking is like that. U hate anybody that is not a JW, u want then to listen to u but u don't listen to others. Like I said before, u people should cane ur line

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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 5:40pm On Oct 31, 2017
Yes, I am a proud JW.
And when you talk about boldness, that is a rock on which we stand because Jesus assured us that he is with us until the conclusion of the system of things and that is why we boldly knock on every door in favorable and unfavorable seasons. Even on doors of people like you who claim to be experienced and of surreal backgrounds like you, we humbly carry out the instruction Jesus gave us to preach the word and be at it diligently. We are not social media brags, we knock on EVERY door, bro. We do not compete or take pleasure in renowned men but in God and I will not go there with you. Cane your lane? This thread is about the JW and you blasphemed us without a footing on your own religion. Your explanation of your own faith was hollow. You don't seem to fathom what you believe and yet you call others witches. Who placed you a judge? Have you been able to burst your own bubble by fulfilling the 2 commandments as you quoted (would you call someone you love a witch when you have no evidence against him??)? We believe in our teachings because they are founded in the Bible and the Bible is our constitution. Is that a crime?
Nice to chat to you, Oruma.
Thanks for sparing your time.
oruma19:
I understand ur zeal. It happened to some of us. But leme assure u that when u get to the bridge, u sure will know better. Social media just makes people come out to talk to people they hardly know and think whatever argument they pose is valid. From ur long explanation or so, u hardly have seen life so u don't know anything. If you feel u can discuss the scriptures with me leme burst ur bubble, u sound too shallow to me. I need not give u details of my background in Christianity and how long I have been hearing the word of God from renowned men. That being said, keep ur dirty ideology to ursef and cane ur lane. The race is personal, the summary of the laws and the prophets is 1. Love God 2. Love ur neigbour as ur self. End of story. For people like u, other's views always sound foolish because u feel u know, but u know nothing and have experienced nothing. I know u are a JW. Beta aerve God properly and stop being critical of others. Leave ur cult and be separate, touch not the unclean thing.just an advise anyways.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 4:40pm On Oct 31, 2017
I am surprised that you have not a pinch of knowledge about your own belief. It is shocking! People like you have no spot in criticising anyone for his belief because you cannot explain or defend your own faith.
Oruma, if I had asked you about witches, you would have detailed it out to me. You are well-grounded in fetish or superstitious beliefs. By your name, I can complete the story that you are telling.
Simply, you have no religion and no belief.
Jesus gave a new covenant and that is different from the covenant given to the Jews. Jesus' teachings were strange to the Jews and they killed him. Jesus amended the laws given to the Jews. Christians are called followers of Christ. Jews are not followers of Christ.
The Bible spoke about the spiritual Isreal of God, not Spiritual Jews. If you are a spiritual jew, can you back it up with the Bible since you confirm that it is enough?
oruma19:
guy abeg leave all that. Bible contains both the content of the stones and the patches plus the stories of the new dispensation and the epistles. Bible is enof. Jesus is still lord. No shaking
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 3:52pm On Oct 31, 2017
So, what book do you use as a guide?
Do you have the (stone) tablet containing the 10 commandments?
oruma19:
gbam!!!! As long as Jesus is still lord . no wahala.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 3:42pm On Oct 31, 2017
wow! So are you the founder of your own religion?
oruma19:
i believe in the message of Jesus. Jesus was a Jew so I am a Jew spiritually. Forget about what the physical Jews believe. I am the balanced believer.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 3:30pm On Oct 31, 2017
If you ever find yourself in Israel you might be stoned to death for heresy.
Can you tell me why you believe in Judaism?
Why are you convinced that it is the true religion?
What is the significance of Jesus in Judaism?
What is the significance of the holy spirit in Judaism?
Do you believe in the Bible?
I hope this question doesn't take you years and detailed research to give me a response. I am online and waiting.
oruma19:
I am a spiritual Jew. I love God and Jesus Christ His son. I believe in the holy spirit, I believe in the resurrection, I believe in the holy Bible, I am a spiritual Jew...
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 3:00pm On Oct 31, 2017
If Judaism is the only true religion, are you, then, a Jew?
oruma19:
another JW witch spotted. Yeye winsh people. All Christian denominations around have their own wahala. Judaism is the only true religion, even Jesus was a Jew..the first born ..... Lolz
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 2:51pm On Oct 31, 2017
I want you to make the same remark to the Catholic and Orthodox for etching the name of God, Jehovah on their buildings.
Read the Catholic encyclopedia in the link and send a letter to the Pope including the exact statement that you made in your comment. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08329a.htm
They will chew you the way worms feast on dead beavers.
You will only sound audacious with the Jehovah's witnesses because of their peace-loving attitude.
There are thousands of religions out there. As a sage with spiritual insight, do tell at least about 20 religions that are true and 20 that are false so that the public can identify which truly leads to the kingdom of God.
I await your candid response.

MOSICATED5:
If u want me to stop exposing the satanic American racist cult, then tell ur jobless watchtower stooges who are seeking for gullible and lonely people to recruit into the phedophile infested and mind controlling American cult to stop knocking on my door. They should stop calling other Christians Babylon the great because other Christians believe in Jesus and God Almighty but the watchtower believes in a dead, powerless man made god called Jehovah

Religion / Re: Who Is Michael The Archangel? by lovingJehovah: 2:31pm On Oct 31, 2017
You seem ready for battle. JW are not here to fight with you or to argue senselessly. We carry a name far beyond any human and beyond any creation. If you do not accept the Bible's teaching, then it is not our fault. We did not write Colossians 1:3 (or is it taken out of context as you and your cohort say?); we did not write John 20:17 that Jesus himself said; we did not write 1 Timothy 2:5; we did not write 1 Corinthians 8:6; we did not write Colossians 1:15; we did not make Matthew 3:17 up, that was God calling his son and not his equal; We didn't create john 17:3 or Proverbs 8:22; etc
Bro, I am very sure that Jehovah's witnesses have not forced you to accept their teachings. Whatever we say, we know that it is from the scriptures. You may read your own Bible and not the NWT and no one hurts. We do not bring any other message to you but what you and I can find in the Bible. You may go on with your blasphemy and who cares? There are millions like you in all corners of the earth antagonizing the Jehovah's witnesses and it is not our job to answer your insults.
We do not come here to argue because there is nothing to gain out of it. I do not follow any link or reference and I do not care about your conversation with anyone. We care about God' message as it is written in the Bible. So, consider me out of your debate, I am simply not interested.
#respect
PastorAIO:

I don't need to do research. It's all over Nairaland. Just the other day I was discussing with the JW who kept ducking and diving and refusing to answer plain questions. You'll find the issue here:
https://www.nairaland.com/3753404/hebrew-monotheistic-belief-product-religious/6#61759563

In the book of John Chapter 8 verse 58 Jesus says: 1
εἶπεν αὐτοῖς Ἰησοῦς Ἀμὴν ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν, πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί.
Translated by ESV as 58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.

But when we reach the Jehovah Witness bible NWT we read:

Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Why do your Jehovah Witness gurus feel the need to mistranslate 'Ego Eimi' which is the Greek first person present tense translating to 'I Am'?

I'll tell you why. Because you are desperate to twist out anything that would suggest that Jesus is identified with Yahweh in the bible. The phrase I Am is immediately recognised as the name of YahooWeeh. Where did the first person present tense in one language become a continuous past tense in another language.

What happened is that first you came up with the doctrine that Jesus is Not Yahoo and then you went back to the bible and attempted to derange anything that suggested so. That is why in the other thread https://www.nairaland.com/3753404/hebrew-monotheistic-belief-product-religious/6#61759563, the JWs there were squirming and twisting and avoiding direct questions.

Religion / Re: Who Is Michael The Archangel? by lovingJehovah: 2:08pm On Oct 31, 2017
Alright
enilove:
@lovingjehovah, I am not contradicting myself.

You just want to accept what your doctrines says as final. But that is left to you.

Jesus said about himself in the Bible that he is Almighty as his Father is Almighty.

Revelation 1:7-12 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[10] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
[11] Saying, I am Alpha and Omega,......

Alpha and Omega is the same thing as saying "Almighty" .

I did not write the Bible. Stop accusing people of heresy because you are the culprit. Saying Jesus is Michael is not only heresy but a sin. Their names are diff. and no where it is written that Jesus is an angel. Jesus created the angels himself.

If we human beings are a little lower than the angels as per ,

Psalm 8:4-5 KJV
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? [5] For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour

are you then saying we are a little lower than Jesus Christ ? An archangel is still an angel.


For you to know that Michael is not Jesus Christ:

Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

If Michael were Jesus , he would have rebuked Satan directly, not by saying " the Lord rebuke thee ". It would have been "I rebuke you Satan".

Jesus rebuked Satan by saying :

" Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men". Matthew 16:23

He didn't say " the lord said get thee behind me Satan" ...

That is simple.


Religion / Re: Who Is Michael The Archangel? by lovingJehovah: 2:07pm On Oct 31, 2017
Alright
PastorAIO:


The statement itself is not even half as strong as the rot it refers too. Let me first answer your questions because one of the gripes I have against your people in recent times is the inability to answer simply questions.

Do you own a copy of the original or unadulterated manuscripts of the Greek scriptures?

I can access the original Greek manuscripts online. e.g at Biblehub.com

Was the Bible written only in Greek?

No, the bible was written in Greek and in Hebrew.


Have you done your research to confirm your assertion?

Yes, I have done a fair bit of research to before making the assertion.

Can you give details how we changed the translation?

Yes I can and the details will follow shortly.


Is there any verse that I have quoted here that is missing or does not appear same in your own Bible and other translations as well?

I spoke of your organisation in general. Here you have only supplied a very contrived interpretation of certain bible passages in order to push your agenda. But in general your group are known to change translations that don't fit in with your doctrines.

As a pastor (according to your handle), would it be wrong if you make citations from the Bible?

I don't understand this question.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 7:44pm On Oct 29, 2017
Well, if I were you I would spend more time on those rhapsody/adventist magazines given to you than trolling Jehovah's witnesses. It is not by force to take our magazines or to like us. I do not know how much you have to talk about buying our magazines as if you have made a life for yourself already. You have a good job and I hope you keep it up.
MOSICATED5:
u guys never disappoint from ur programmed reply, i expect u to call me an Apostate. The magazine is sold, I stand by that, I have received free copies of rhapsody of realities from Christ embassy members, I have received free copies of Adventist world magazine from SDA members without asking me to donate. That is what it means to distribute a magazine free. Stop asking people to donate before u give them. Mention any lie I said against the organization and I will post a post to support it directly from ur publications. It is not my fault the watchtower cult is dying in the developed world where info is free. My Job is to expose the watchtower mind controlling, phedophile infested, false prophesying American cult and not for u to ask me what church I attend
Religion / What Is The Difference Between Spirit And Ghost? (Holy Spirit And holy ghost) by lovingJehovah: 12:32pm On Oct 29, 2017
Spirit - the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character
Ghost - an apparition of a dead person that is believed to appear or become manifest to the living

When did the word Ghost get introduced to the Bible?
What was the original Hebrew or Greek word used in the holy scriptures?
Why have we made a switch?
Are we still in line with the Bible or with God?
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 12:24pm On Oct 29, 2017
Oruma, Witch na day know witch. So, when you accept that you are a witch and publicly confess, we will listen to your tales of where they are hiding. When you check the newspapers do you see the JW on the front page dong anything witchlike or pharisee-like?
If they don't believe in what they teach, how can they teach it? If yours is not fake, you would believe in it. Judging the JW by blaspheming them is a sin and you do not seem to care about sinning when you about judging them. Is that not what the Pharisees do? Mr. Christian
oruma19:
That's where all the witches and wizards go to hide. Wicked people that do not fear GOD. JW people are the typical example of pharisees and saducees of bible times. They believe all other denominations are not real, except theirs. Fake cult.
Religion / What Is The Holy Spirit? by lovingJehovah: 12:08pm On Oct 29, 2017
The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.

In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:

Breath.—Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15.
Wind.—Genesis 8:1; John 3:8.
The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.—Job 34:14, 15.
A person’s disposition or attitude.—Numbers 14:24.
Spirit persons, including God and the angels.—1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24.
These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.”—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, by W. E. Vine.

The Bible also refers to God’s holy spirit as his “hands” or “fingers.” (Psalm 8:3; 19:1; Luke 11:20; compare Matthew 12:28.) Just as a craftsman uses his hands and fingers to do his work, God has used his spirit to produce such results as the following:

The universe.—Psalm 33:6; Isaiah 66:1, 2.
The Bible.—2 Peter 1:20, 21.
The miracles performed by his ancient servants and their zealous preaching.—Luke 4:18; Acts 1:8; 1 Corinthians 12:4-11.
The fine qualities displayed by people who obey him.—Galatians 5:22, 23.
The holy spirit is not a person

By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. (Luke 11:13) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.—Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6.

The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision.

Misconceptions about the holy spirit

Misconception: The “Holy Ghost,” or holy spirit, is a person and is part of the Trinity, as stated at 1 John 5:7, 8 in the King James version of the Bible.

Fact: The King James version of the Bible includes at 1 John 5:7, 8 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth.” However, researchers have found that those words were not written by the apostle John and so do not belong in the Bible. Professor Bruce M. Metzger wrote: “That these words are spurious and have no right to stand in the New Testament is certain.”—A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament.

Misconception: The Bible personifies the holy spirit, and this proves that it is a person.

Fact: The Scriptures do at times personify the holy spirit, but this does not prove that the holy spirit is a person. The Bible also personifies wisdom, death, and sin. (Proverbs 1:20; Romans 5:17, 21) For example, wisdom is said to have “works” and “children,” and sin is depicted as seducing, killing, and working out covetousness.—Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:35; Romans 7:8, 11.

Similarly, when the apostle John quoted Jesus, he personified the holy spirit as a “helper” (paraclete) that would give evidence, guide, speak, hear, declare, glorify, and receive. He used masculine personal pronouns such as “he” or “him” when referring to that “helper.” (John 16:7-15) However, he did so because the Greek word for “helper” (pa·raʹkle·tos) is a masculine noun and requires a masculine pronoun according to the rules of Greek grammar. When John referred to the holy spirit using the neuter noun pneuʹma, he used the genderless pronoun “it.”—John 14:16, 17.

Misconception: Baptism in the name of the holy spirit proves that it is a person.

Fact: The Bible sometimes uses “name” to stand for power or authority. (Deuteronomy 18:5, 19-22; Esther 8:10) This is similar to its use in the English expression “in the name of the law,” which does not mean that the law is a person. A person who is baptized “in the name of ” the holy spirit recognizes the power and role of the holy spirit in accomplishing God’s will.—Matthew 28:19.

Misconception: Jesus’ apostles and other early disciples believed that the holy spirit was a person.

Fact: The Bible does not say that, nor does history. The Encyclopædia Britannica states: “The definition that the Holy Spirit was a distinct divine Person . . . came at the Council of Constantinople in ad 381.” This was over 250 years after the last of the apostles had died.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 12:05pm On Oct 29, 2017
the Bible says that we must all run a personal race, yet we are unitedly brothers. It is fair to attack a JW individually for his own conduct but grounding an individual's conduct on the beliefs on the JW is obnoxious. I am taking sides with the word of God and that is what it is. People come out saying this and that and they cannot provide biblical evidence to back up their claims. They end up referring you to a JW hate blog. They themselves do not know what they believe in and cannot defend their own doctrines.
chatinent:

Dear man, rather than taking sides against the complainant and siding your Christian sibling (even as you don't care if they are wrong or right), try as much as possible to see that most attitudes are causes of imperfection. We all make mistakes. The religion is good, most witnesses' outward judgement of it is opposite good.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:58am On Oct 29, 2017
What is the difference between Holy spirit and holy ghost?
If you have always followed our witnessing you would have heard us reading John 17:3 This means everlasting life,+ their coming to know you,* the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
danyaril2yahoo:
JW is an anti-christ organisation,because they dont believe in the power of holy ghost & it's gift.Also mentioning Jesus christ name ( according Philp 2:8-10)is secondary to them.finally in their wintnessing they dont preach salvation through Jesus,John 14:6

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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:55am On Oct 29, 2017
coldsummer:
JW is a cult that has so brainwashed their members.

How can you tell your congregation not to send their children to school.

Can you tell us who prevented you from going to school? Do you know how many JW professionals are out there?

How do u tell them not to take blood transfusion (my uncle died out ofnthos stupidity and now the family discovered the truth. They left the church and the other members stopped talking and associating with them becaise they have become sinners )

Your story is made up to incite hate. It is not real. Have you done your research to know that bloodless surgery is the best medicine out there?


How do u tell them to no worm and make money bit when they work and make that unholy money you tell th to bring it and spend in church.

Who has asked you not to work, bro? Jehovah's witnesses are hard workers everywhere you go. the Bible encourages hard work and not laziness. This is what we preach, so I am wondering. Are you looking for somewhere to stick your blame for not having a job or being educated? And which member of the JW asked you to bring your money and to which church? You are mixing it up, bro. We call our meeting place a Kingdom hall, not a church. Next time write down the church that gave you all these directives on a piece of paper so that you can make your comments constructively.

Read statistics and see the bearish way JW is going globally. Not talking about nigeria. Of coursebrhey will be the last to realise anything.

Now I get it, all that you have written above was made up from statistics? Bro, since your family members have all left, have you made the money yet? We are not a money-making organization. Our goal is to serve Jehovah unitedly as we approach the end of this wicked world. If you feel hate toward us it is appreciated because Jesus said that we will be hated and that was how he was also hated. Dont feel bad, delight in your works because we will all reap from what we sow.


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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:42am On Oct 29, 2017
And who made you a judge? your statement alone has disqualified you in the circle of Christianity. You have just judged an entire group made up of over 8 million members and you hope to be thought of as serious? How many JW do you know to come to that closure?
mployer:
They are not Christians.
Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:39am On Oct 29, 2017
sinaj:
Ndi Ama Jehovah lol

They like preaching to others but wont even give preachers from other church listening ear let alone listen to their preaching. Very bad habit if u ask me.

Sinaj, have you ever come to my house to preach to me and I turned you down? Have you ever done that to anyone else? Just be honest with your own self. By the way, JW are waiting for you to show up at their doors.

They not open to correction and believe their doctrine is peerfect.

Do tell, what is your religion? What correction do you imply before making such libelous claim? We base our doctrines on the only constitution that Jehovah blessed us with, his word

Had a JW classmate that would sit down or do something else during prayers as if its not the same God you praying to.

Jesus said that if they are not against you, they are with you. Prayer is a personal conversation between you and God. If you were able to notice your classmate sitting down or doing something else, then you are guilty of what you accuse him of. You were staring at the JW and you claim that you were praying to someone who created you. Think twice, young lady! You were not in the prayer. The Bible says that you cannot serve two masters at the same time. Do not force anyone to pray with you, to stand up or to focus on your prayer, you should say your prayers yourself and let those around you be. It is not by force and your prayer does not make you more favored by God.

Btw a Witness once told me they not Christians, that they are on their own.

I wonder where you heard that. By the look of things, you must have bored that JW with your pre-judgmental attitude and your coerciveness by negating him as a result of his beliefs. There is freedom of religion in the constitution and you seem to be disrespectful of that by berating your JW classmate.

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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:13am On Oct 29, 2017
The magazine is not even sold. Bro, chill! The hate is not necessary on nairaland. You are free to express your sentiments but since you keep following the updates I am curious, are you naturally inclined to follow lies? You just called us liars yet you keep trailing us for update, how logical is that? Are we mind-controlling you to the point that you need to trail lies? Shouldn't you spend more time staying relevant in your own doctrine or church? What church or religion are you most agreeable with, btw?
MOSICATED5:
u are so on point. Jws lie a lot and the brainwashed followers are told to cover up. Most Jws in Africa don't even know the GB now allow blood transfusions in fractions. They keep updating their Teachings to cover up their lies. Anyone who which to join the Jws is at liberty to, but they should make their research abt the watchtower first because it is a mind controlling American racist cult to make gullible and lonely people sell their magazines for free

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Religion / Re: Five Things You Never Knew About Jehovah's Witnesses. by lovingJehovah: 11:03am On Oct 29, 2017
chynie:
1)Re-writing a few words in the bible is same as having a personalized bible, so their bible is df cos of the words rewritten.

which Bible is not rewritten? Was King James an apostle of Christ or was he the Bible's author? Do you know how King James Bible come about? The is nothing like Bible in the holy scriptures. For your edification, what you call the Bible today was known as the Hebrew and Greek scriptures. Your most preferred King James version has some spurious verses added to it. Did you know?

2) the belief that sm ppl will get heaven while others earth sounds so carnal, like dividing paradise into high and low society

Can you say this to Jesus in your next prayer? Because he himself said that in Matthew 5:5 and Matthew 5:10. Also you can tell God that when he gave his words at Revelation 21:1-5

3) the birthday of Herod was mentioned in the bible due to its significance in christdom, not because is bad, and we know Christ wasn't born on Christmas

You may also give God your justification on why you should act as you please or celebrate whatever you please after reading Galatians 1:8. Tell who brought the tradition to celebrate birthdays to you, if it was Jesus or his apostles; 1 Thessalonians 5:21 tell him why you do not need to make sure of anything that he has written down for you but create your own rules.

4) I know they are not cult group but they have cultists just like all other churches.

very unclear what idea you are trying to purport

5)a woman can't lead is just their personal doctrine, a man is a head of his family not head of everyone.

But the Bible says otherwise. Are you in contention with the Bible? The words in 1 Corinthians 14:34 was given to Christians, are you one?

But all and all I think they are not different from other Christians, like we are all striving to make heaven

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