₦airaland Forum

asha 80:
@lucabrasi

What makes you think as the country is presently constituted that the average nigerian when he gets to power will not do the same or worse

well,that is human nature isnt it?the average american,british,north or south korean,phillipino e.t.c will also do the same if given the chance or not,what you should look at is the nigerian base instincts/personality traits compared to all these countries,

Lagosboy:
I beg to diasgree on this. AU should have been invited and not just one country from the whole of the 52 countries in Africa. I personally think it is a disrespect for the whole continent and it implies we mean nothing to the world economy. If the EU is the 20th country then AU should have been officialy invited.

yes,i agrew ith you [b]in principle[/b]but one pertinent question you seem to be forgetting is the fact that the african union itself have not harnessed and made the most of their collective powers,individually we are important to the world economy in varying degrees,but as a strong and united, note the emphasis on the strong and united,african union,not just in name,we are indispensable,you should ask yourself how low we have sunk,if the president of i.m.f a neo liberal institution is offering to be the african voice

Lagosboy:
South Africa is in no way the best run country in Africa.
Tony Blair travelled in 2005 to shake mad dog Ghadaffi's hand in the desert and went to seal lucrative oil deals on behalf of British companies so has condo rice done as well so whats the problem with Ghadaffi and the west.

are you implying that nigeria is better run than south africa?
if you r not,what country is better run than south africa in the sub saharan africa?
you have just answered your own question there,the only reason tony blair went there wass the prospect of another middle eastern ally in a volatile region,and a show of solidarity and support for libya and the ever present inducement of black gold, george bush csnr re christened the bin laden cousin bush,you think that was because he loves the olive skin?

asha 80:
These ministers,governors,technocrats are they from space?Let us continue chasing shadows when they main problems are laughing at us.

like i asked the other guy,are these demographics in the majority or minority,or you expect the average nigerian carpenter or panelbeater to take the blame for akala or ibori's phillandeering and reckless use of state funds??
the salient point here is that we know how problems,we are confronting our problems and we are working at it,the fact that the oligarchs are being a stumbling block is not enough reason to now cut off the nose to eradicate a catarh

Sapphic:
More Shame on you for NOT criticising your country. Because of people like you, Nigeria will only get worse. Everywhere I hear people go on and on about how they are proud of Nigeria. What the heck is there to be proud of? Nigeria is a bleeping disgrace and the sooner people admitted this and start seeking and applying solutions, the better for the country and its citizens.

Sure every country has its problems, but in countries that are moving forward, these problems are acknowledged, condemned and being tackled. Let's not talk about the corruption and systems failure in Nigeria. Yes Nigeria is my country and so I  love the country. But am I proud of Nigeria? Hell no. Will a hardworking man whose son is an armed robber be proud of that son/ Most definitely not. Will he love the son? In all probability, yes (because he is the son of his loins and cannot throw him away - i.e. short of disowning him).

So when people go on about how proud they are about Nigeria or being Nigerian, I ask them what is there to be proud about (I am certain for any reason anyone can come up with, I can find 2 or more reasons to be ashamed of that country). When I was a child in Nigeria in the 80s, I actually used to thank God for making me Nigerian. Now, all I keep wondering is how the heck we are going to get out of this mess which gets worse with each passing year.

you might not be proud of being nigerian,that is your perogative,but condeming an individual for being proud of his country isnt reasonable in the least,is the present situation in nigeria the fault of the average nigerian or the elites?
so why should an average nigerian then throw the baby out with the bathwater,especially as they have no other country to call their own to correect you on some highly erroneous presumptions and assumptions
nigeria IS NOT a fucking disgrace,the nigerian elites are, a typical nigerian is hardworking,resourceful,resillient and will sacrifice anything t have a good education,nigerians are non violent,warm and friendly and highly religious.

in your comments you said "people admitting and finding solutions"are you not part of "thast people" or you have denounced and destroyed your nigerian citizenship and passport already??
start with profferring your own solutions and back it up with actions,after all you suggested it.

and who says the problems in nigeria are not acknowledged??what percentage of nigerians out of the 150million plus are ministers,governors politicians technocrats who are running the country down the drain?
did the likes of gani fawehinmi,femi falana,the late ken saro wiwa and the other 9 and other pro democracy activists,including those who died during the abiola saga and mko himself e.t.c not actively acknowledging the situation in nigeria?
comparing nigeria to a son who is an armed robber,is again an erroneous assumption,an armed robber is an individual,nigeria is a country while being inhabited by bad eggs,majority of them are hardworking,resilliebt,religious e.t.c citizens

and south africa is representing africa because they are not only the most credible and best run african country,they have better relations and respect of the world powers

Thethy:
See: http://www.businessdayonline.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2845:grasscutter-farming-solution-to-job-loss&catid=81:entrepreneur&Itemid=198

the article was really insightful,how can one get your vcd/dvd with the complete and indepht details if residing in the united kingdom?
i would love to know more about this grasscutter farming,and what grasscutter is,cause i honestly have no idea what it is lol
costing,e.t.c.

AfroCynic:
Lol, I'll leave you guessing. You might figure it out soon enough and if you do, I'll tell you.

not good @figuring out,so there,

blacksta:
I guess we can come to this conclusion going from the notion that for every 4 black persons 1 is Nigerian.


How can we stop this madness

the pictures of the awesome strides being taken by the government which you have graciously posted is a way of helping change the perception of hopelessness in nigerians,the rebranding exercise will also go a long way in helping change the general perception that therte is no opportunities in nigeria,actual participants who have undergone the journey should come out and relate their experiences, possibly set up charities to focus on the ethnicities/states where majority of nigerians who undertakle this journey come from, i have not seen northerners amongst the dead,neither have i seen much yorubas or ibos,they have mostly been from edo,bendel e.t.c so the campaign/charities should focus on these areas,opportunities should be made available to the dissilutioned young men/women,the micro finance man that started grammen bank was never a government official but a private individual who took it upon himself to start the micro finance thing with about 20 indian women which has now grown to millions of mostly women,where are the individuals doing that for the young men and women?instead of leaving it all to the government, the "madness"can be stopped by a holistic approach to the problem

server34:
@ Lucabrasi, Aha. . . won ti de oh! (Ils sont arrive) _{dem don come.}

Even though I dont see anything wrong with the woman and her Idea . . . forget all these pessimists and haters wey full here. I just think dat N150m is too small. Even if they share it amongst the over 150million 'rebrandees', na N1 each of us go get.

you know what they say about sugar and ants,

i also agree 150million is way too small for the rebranding exercise as well,especially seeing as it is going to be an homegrown initiative,if nigerians dont have any compulsion about indulging in vices of indiscipline e.g urinating in public,traffic offence,offering and taking bribes,non patriotism e.t.c then it behoves the ministry of information to start by working on the hearts and mind of the average nigerian to have a sense of belonging, we know there is a whole lot to change in nigeria but the average nigerian needs to be drawn out of the mire of despondency,and also woken up to their duties as nigerians,if we are waiting for nigeria to be like america before a rebranding exercise,then i gues the alternative is to allow the next generation to continue in the ignorance and end up like the nay sayers in our midst who revel in putting the country down

as a member of the redeemed church,i must admit i am supremely relieved that it was a huge misunderstanding after all,with this sort of arrangement,even if the church paid the downpayment of 30%,it is considerably less than 100% down payment,also there is a huge difference between buying a jet and maintaining same with the proceeds gotten from it and leaving it idling when not in use and still paying millions everyday in landing fees, we should however be careful in our utterances concerning true men of GOD

server34:
lol @ lucabrasi. . . am sure am thinking the same ppl u are thinking. All those ppl that if they dont make us "know" dat USA is more developed than Nigeria, dem no go rest.

hmmnnn lol

@topic
while i really dont see the rebranding exercise achieving much without the government doing what needs to be done vis avis the 7 point agenda,i think the akunyili woman is right on the way some diasporians dont see anything positive about nigeria,we have them on here in quantum,they will always criticize every single scheme or innovation,and the most positive they can get on any issue concerning nigeria is cautious cynism,im suprised they have not goten here yet to shoot the threadster down in flames

DeReloaded:
Not reading any of that gibberish, though I did skim looking for a response to man a far's question in the garbage above. Didnt see anything. Big surprise.

Better luck next time.

the bolded part is typical lol not suprised tho,always works tho dnt it? was waiting for you to use that get out of jail free card since,lol lol
u didnt see anything still?now im beginning to understand,

jawosin:
who are these fools tellin lies on9ice how can someone who has been tourin nigeria for the past 2 months be living in america. he has been doing d glo tour so how is that possible, cant hiswife move tp be with her family? must it be dat he is broke ba belle people

ayobase:
tell those fools
what they should
know!

mumu dem!

dudes,take it easy rather than pouring vitriol on innocent people who are just responding to a thread/what we read in the news,you should get your man 9ice to contact the news portal or direct your anger at them,you are mis firing and transferring your agression to the wrong ppl at the moment

hmmn

love fried yam and akara even the woman knows me anytime im on hols in naija lol

boiled corn cooked by the roadside,expecially on the expressway,i can eat 20
amala and mixture of ewedu and gbegiri at the local mama put,no takeaway for me
zobo drink,though i wasnt allowed to drink that

@post
snails cant stand the smell,preparation,eating
beans and yam-cant stand the combo
the bitter tasting veggie
processed pounded yam
cant stand the traditional eko and the liquid version(pap)

DeReloaded:
Dude, get over yourself. No one "fears" you esp not me. I just dont have time for you to start your sermons screaming "waxing idiot" over and over like a wounded downie baby. Point remains that you turned this thread into something COMPLETELY different. Like I said before, either answer man a far's question or make we hear word.

thank GOD we r both agreed on something then,namely that its silly and an act bordering on delusions of grandeur to think seriously that anyone will be scared of the other on an anonymous virtual portal.
who s waxing idiotics?you either dont have a clue what that means or using that in the wrong context,you have actually been the one making perjorative comments to sup[port your intellectually weak arguments hence the reason you cant resist adding a touch of insults instinctively when u type, guess it comes natural to you,
check my replies to mus t afar's comments which i have made yesterday,i guess in your haste to "return fire" you havnt even bothered about that as your ego and pride on here is much more important for you to protect,the good news is that,theres no chance of me returning your insults but ill just keep shoving the mirror in your face to see how silly your disparaging comments looks,example is the bolded in your comments politically correct or acceptable?

lol, got me,nice one!

nobody is pulling dbanj down,he should simply make a refund and then issue a terse statement through his publicist that everything is been sorted out and get the other party to do the same,this is the way to handle showbiz not attacking anyone that says anything about dbanj or sayn they have pull him down whatever, you dont hold on to funds which isnt yours,especially after standing them up and not performing at their show,if these ppl wanted to go all the way,and they signed an agreement,they ll sue him for a breach of contract and return of their funds.

AfroCynic:
I thought it was you!

wat r u on abou, ??

DeReloaded:
Are you OgidiBoy? Switching between screen-names? If not why are you replying to what I posted to him?

Answer man a far's question and stop babbling. Who's asking you to be in agreement. You are DEVIATING FROM THE TOPIC. The topic is about a woman who is making underaged kids make babies for business, you are giving us epistle about adoption and motherless babies. Nonsense.

lol lol see me ,see something, lol just because the man and i agree on an issue,then i must be the one switching user names lol
you think my life is that sad to sit down behind a computer switching ids?
deviating from what topic?in case you didnt realise,articles of this sort is meant to serve not only as highlighting pertinent issues but as a catalyst for change and provoking discussions e.t.c
why didnt everyone concentrate on only the child witches in akwa ibom after the story came out,but instead the story brought a focus on disadvantaged children in nigeria,you see how this works?
so it might seem like an epistle to you because you are clueless on what is going on there,but adoption,motherless babies e.t.c are all inter connected with what the article reports

OgidiBoy:
hmmm! is someone scared of lucabrasi? the last time I checked, a statement was directed to Ogidiboy and lucabrasi and not just Ogidiboy

exactly what i thought as well,untill she brought out her own sherlock holmes anti thesis that i was switching usernames lol

@post
really sad,if this was a properly run country with proper children's welfare,the children should have been taken from her,i shudder to think what she ll have taught them and put them through

DeReloaded:
Why bother replying to "childish insults"

Be glad I didnt respond the way I usually would esp since you two are trivializing such a disgusting/serious issue and turning it into something completely different.

Adoption ko. Abduction ni.

and im supposed to be scared of the bolded??lol you honestly have no idea,i had to reply this cause it was so hillarious, the way you usually would lol lol lol

OgidiBoy:
I don't see the point for the childish insults though. What's wrong with me or anyone in this forum airing out what the think. If you disagree with what I posted fine post your own point of view , I really don't see the need for the childish insults. The last time I checked NL was still a public forum.

exactly!!once you disagree with "them"ou are automatically seen as a gargoyle mouthing off,maybe we should all type yes or i agree soon as anyone posts a thread so it ll all be uniform and in agreement, honestly most of us are abroad but we really need to learn a whole lot more from westerners and the way they do things

Pataki:
Very hilarious. It is for the sake of sanity and high respect to your posting in times pasts, that now makes me question, whether you are truly rational and objective on this topic. I am still at loss whether, you just choose to sit at the other side of the divide and postulate assumptions and theories, which do not in anyway, embrace the foundation of this article/report. By the way, I am not in any way importuning for your friendship. So please do not get it twisted.

in answer to your question,yes i am rational and objective, how?
by not blindly subscribing to an abstract written by a reporter,not a political scientist or sociologist,by thinking outside the box and looking at issues both from the government point of view,from the demographics represented by the childless couples and asking myself why they will rather prefer to buy a child in the black market as opposed to a registered orphanage,and lastly by giving the woman the benefit of doubt as the article neither explained her life and if she knew about a legal way of going about it or not e.t.c
every single assertion i have made on here can be verified by you if, you care to do an independent research on your own like i have done in the past on these issues,do not base your assumptions and facts on a 600 words article which has absolutely no scientific backing at all, this is what i was taught in university, thank GOD the feeling s are mutual on the friendship side

Pataki:
Did you in all sincerity read the article before coming up to make a comment at all? Myself, for the purpose of emphasis and clarity showed you where, the woman was keeping teenage boy and girls from the article and using them to rear up babies, which she thereafter sells to potential clients, you in your haste to post your verbiage skipped that, and you come to state that the only missing thing was her not legalizing her organization.

Does that make any sense to you?

rather,i should be asking you if you read my comments and perfectly understood them before your retort?there was no time that i didnt acknowledge what the article said about that,maybe the difference between us is that while you chose in your own wisdom to believe it hook,line and sinker,i chose to think outside the article and seperate facts from sensational journalism which you will agree with me abounds in our country simpy because no one sues for libel and they have to sell their papers.
in case you didnt read my first comments,i said that while i dont condone(not in these exact words)what the lady did,she was providing a needed service namely a private and anonymous avenue for couples who cannot have children and due to societal stigma do not want anyone to know they are adopting to get babies.on the other hand she is providing a service for young mums to be who are mostly from deprived backgrounds and have no wherewithal to take care of a baby, and i added that catholic churches do this by taking teenage mums in and taking care of them till they give birth and allow them to make a choice as to keeping the baby or not.again i said it clearly that she could have done it legally and through the proper channels as is done in the western world,in case you dont believe that as well,i can avail you oif a couple of websites in the uk where they cater for young,unmarried teenage/young mothers to be

hope that makes more sense to you?lol cause i certsinly am not the ones writing without"sense"

Pataki:
Please there are orphanages all across the length and breadth of Nigeria. What this woman was doing is no where near an orphanage, rather making teenagers to procreate and she goes off to sell them to her clients. Spare yourself this infantile glory of posting verbiages without having recourse to read articles properly, digest it and analyze before hitting the reply button.

of course there are,but ask yourself this question,how come many couples prefer to go the black market route than the registered orphanages?
how come only 2% of children in orphanages are adopted leaving 98% neither fostered nor adopted?
please check out these facts on adoption in nigeria presently to show im not picking figures off the air,
ill reiterate for the umpteenth time,NOWHERE HAVE I SAID SHE DID THE RIGHT THING,all i said right from the get go up untill now is that while she wasnt going about it the right way,she could have  legalised it and done it through the proper channels and i still repeat that she was providing a service

Pataki:
Rubbish! There are people born with silver spoons in Nigeria who are street criminals, hired killers and armed robbers. Most times as one is made to perceive, it is not only about living on the street. Children have been on the street, who made a total success of themselves. So please spare me this emotional and over-used sentiments that she was taking off potential and future area boys by the despicable act she was rendering.
Well, on the contrary, you know ZILCH of teenage mothers. I have worked with teenagers while in Nigeria. I have experience of volunteering my time and service to orphanages. And in no way, was what that woman doing anything good! What is bad is bad! Stop adding water into your air-basket of argument. It does not make any iota of sense.

oookie,are you now justifying the dumping of babies on the streets??yu see i have given you the benefit of doubt to clarify yourself before making my comments on this,does the fact that there have been sucessful people from the streets enough justification?
again ,ill rephrase my question,
would it have been better to drive these pregnant teenage girls out to fend for themselves and the risks associated with that which i have severally highlighted or for her to connect these girls LEGALLY,GOING THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS with couples who do not want society to know they have adopted?
i really doubt that you have in nigeria,because there is no indication that you know the situations there,it is a fact that babies are abandoned on refuse heaps and soldier ants crawl up their nosese and mouths e.t.c and kills them,exposure to cold e.t.c this is a fact!

it is a fact that adopted children will suffer the stigma all through their lives if people know in a typical nigerian society,if the child does anything wrong people will ascribe that to his/her being adopted also the parents will bsuffer the stigma associated with this as well, this is a fact!

it is also a fact that couples go to the black market to buy babies because they do not want to be associated with the stigma of adoption,neither do they want the mother or anyone connected with her to trace them back to claim the baby when he/she is grown up

an example is christopher kolade,have you ever heard of his children ever like you hear about other children of his peers?no,they are adopted and the stigma is there,i know this for a fact,not speculations
i could mention at least two prominent people who have adopted but kept it silent even as the children are gron up and accomplished now

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=254970.msg3670042#msg3670042 date=1238520849]and where in the article did you read,
1. anything about her running an orphanage?
2. that they girls got pregnant and she is doing them a favor by caring for them and then helping them get foster parents for their children?
3. that if she didn't give the babies out for a fee, they get dumped in the refuse pit?
4. that the girls got pregnant out of their own freelancing.
5. that the girls we confused and approached her for help on how to care for or take care of the pregnancy/baby when it get delivered?

are these so called 'facts' you so beat your chest over present in this article(this particular case) or are they the extra you employed to make this movie. "two thumbs up"

if you can respond to these questions with reference to the article. i promise i would prostrate for u on the internet as my way of apologising to u for asking u all these 21 questions.[/quote]i dont need to answer either your 5 or 21 questions simply because

like i asserted in my earlier reply to you,this is an issue i probably know about than even the reporter, as it is a topic of intellectual interest to me and i have read extensively and researched extensively on this. i dont need an article of 600 words to form my opinions and ill advice you to do the same and not base your opinions on an abstract, go and ask people who are involved in charities for young mothers and children in nigeria what the sociological effects are for "an after one girl"ask the reasons why couples prefer outfits such as that woman's and are ready to part with large amounts of money,rather than a registered or known orphanage to adopt, or simply show anyone the five pointers in my comments then you will start to understand
a.why the girls go to the woman willingly to sell their babies
b.why couples will rather go and purchase a baby from her and others
numbers 3 to 5 of your questions can be verified like i said earlier by doing some researches yourself,dont use a reporter who is neither on ground to know what is happening,i hope you realise that he is simply writing to sell his paper and this can not and never be classified as a proper intellectual or academic piece of article.

DeReloaded:
Dude. Reading comprehension is your friend, not your enemy. Embrace it

What part of these kids KEPT TOGETHER AND TRAINED TO HAVE SEX at young ages for the purpose of selling kids dont you and lucabrasi understand?

All this gibberish of "well at least they dont abandon the kids blah bloody blah has nothing to do with the fact that she's the one pushing these kids into providing black market babies for her benefit

you have started with your infantille outburst this year again,if you dont have anything sensible to say,i suggest you please step aside and either refrain from replying my comments or ignore me totally,on a public discourse learn to accept that people are bound to have different opinions,unless you want everyone in the whole world to think like robots or for everyone to agree on the very same thing on all issues,ill appeal to you to ponder on this before spitting out your bib next time when people disagree with you,if you direct insultive comments at me again,ill simply ignore you and move on.

to address your comments this time,i said that i believed this fact was just sensational reporting,how can a group of men and women be in a compound being forced to have sex and manufacture babies as if it was a production line and they wouldnt be found out?even the celebrated case a couple of months ago was of teenage mothers who were already preggies who came to the clinic to have the babies and sell em for an agreed fee.
if you cared to read my comments earlier,actually my first comment,i said what she did wasnt right,but she is providing a service and would have been better if it was legalised and done properly to find out the reasons informing my stance,read the comments i posted in reply to must a par

@must a par
the simple facts of the matter are ,

1.how many children are in the orphanages who have nobody to adopt or even buy or foster them?
answer-98% in nigeria
reason?because of the stigma attached to adoption in nigeria,including the cultural and sociological pressure.

2.how is the woman providing a service?
answer-due to the fact that childless couples in nigeria will rather get a baby in secret,and then tell people their wife has given birth due to number 1 above, they go to this woman or people like her,buys a baby hence all controll and no trace of adoption due to number 1 above again.

3.young girls who have gotten themselves in that situation have a couple of choices

a.keep the baby and contend with societal ridicule from their peers,dropping out of schools,parents driving hem out of the house e.t.c
b.dump the baby in a public toilet somewhere or a refuse dump as so often happens and get eaten by dogs,killed by exposure to cold,soldier ants or become a vagabond and street boy to potentil armed robber or street girl to potential prostitute.
c.sell it to the lady who pays them and sells the baby on to parents in the category of number 2, note for a couple to pay at least 150,000 for a baby means they are prepared to give the baby a better life than he/she will rather have.

what choice will you have a confused girl, pregnant take in that situation, bearing in mind that orphanages are not everywhere

Pataki:
@ lucabrasi,

Since reading your rejoinder to me yesterday, I have kept away from this thread. Not because you made any form of credible response deserving my silence, but your penchant to justify your point reeks of deep seated ignorance, which I truly find nauseating and annoying.

If I were to respond to your hogwash, it would be with 100% anger, and in my perspective, that carries no weight to actually convincing you that you are very much still in the WRONG. If you think legalizing what that woman does makes it totally right in your view, I can say: I am utterly disgusted to know that you are educated in a developed world.

and if you have cared to follow my many comments on here,i neither care one way or another what you do, or how you feel as im not on here to make friends and dont care if you go red in the face,green or whatever,all i have done is to make an objective and non biased comments based on the issues on both sides of the divide as i have seen it

1.if you think 98% of nigerian children not getting fostered or adopted gives you some perverse joy then go for it.
2.if you think faced with a choice of either leaving a new born baby on refuse heaps like these girls will most probably have done,and the baby getting killed as a result of exposure to cold,dirt or worse soldier ants crawling through their noses,mouths and killing them is better then go for it.
3.or if you think,its better for the children to grow up on the streets joining the millions of area boys,training to become potential criminals,armed robbers and hired killers is a better alternative,then i guess you are the wise one after all and im completely and utterly ignorant for suggesting that people who need babaies and willing to take care of them in a country with zero welfare is a better alternative

its obvious you neither know the situation teenage mothers face in nigeria,neither do you know what new born babies in this situation are going through,while i wont go down the insults road with you,ill suggest you do an indepht research like i have done in the past,then yu will realise that the woman is providing a service,albeit going about it the wrong and an illegal way.

i have resolved to restrain myself from exchange of insults as to me that is totally infantille and throwing a fit of childish tantrums when things arent going your way,if you think im ignorant,show me the ignorant comment and ill defend it,if i cant then i ll agree. not throwing words and insults in the air because i dont happen to agree with you,what then is the purpose of discourse?

[quote author=must_a_far link=topic=254970.msg3668601#msg3668601 date=1238506271]the comments on here get as he be. Na wa o.


what is right about keeping kids, allowing them knock themselves up and giving the kids out for a fee? my ppeople argue,"the catholic church does it in the west" FA FA FA FOUL! please clarify what u claim the catholic church (or any church or religious organization for that matter) does in the west. rendering a service my toe nail.


when we get smacked with BS for too long we start to see BS as the right thing. geeezzzzzzzz[/quote]first of all,you need to chill out and stop blowing hot,second no one said anything was right about what the woman is doing,all i and some on here have said is simply that
1)how are we absolutely sure that the woman was not just taking babies off already pregnant girls and then selling them on and paying the girls off ,keeping the difference,this is totally different from having men or boys in a compund fertilising girls and then rolling babies off a production line for sale,you honestly think that sounds credible?
2)no one is saying the catholic church condones that act,all i and others are saying is that thew catholic church takes teenage mum s to be in and takes care of them untill they give birth,the girl is now asked to make a choice if she wants to keep the baby or give it up for adoption,i know what i am saying and you can simply google that online,the government in the uk has programmes of these sort as well

3)like i have severally re iterated,but i guess your pre concieved ideas abt my views will not let you see that,the woman has gone about it the wrong and illegal way and should have legalised it as she is providing a needed service,not just for couples in need of children,but helping young mums move on with their lives and babies having a better life that they would have with a teen age mum who doesnt want them

in case you didnt know,ONLY 2% OF CHILDREN IN NIGERIAN ORPHANAGES ARE ADOPTED OR EVEN FOSTERED FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME AND THAT IS A FACT

im not losing a single micro second of sleep over her predicament,ill rather save that for a man who would have gone through blood sweat and tears for well over 5 years to qualify as a medical doctor not to talk of the financial sacrifices gone through by him and his family,whose life was cut short by a drunken nollywood star who though she could get way with anything because of her status.
the fact that she left the scene without making moves to see if the guy could have been saved is enough for her to serve a massive jail term,talk less of being unremorceful and trying to play on the court's intelligence,imagine if she was a governor or commissioner she ll probably lock the guy's family up!!