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dude,speaking only for myself i think this whole igbo this igbo that is getting irritating,you know how to go about installing an igbo president so which one is all this shoving your issues down our throats,after now you ll start complaining some people are attacking igbos and are tribalists yada yada

just sent you an email, expecting a replyxxthanks

Redman44:
@lucrabasi

I was at the university of Ibadan in late 2007. The VC of the university, Professor Bamiro, is really changing the face of the campus. The guy is really determined to restore the glory of the University back to when the whites were in charge of the place. The University was wearing a new look. Even the reading rooms of my hall were looking good with new air condition sets there. The floors had been re-tiled and new fans had been fixed. When you walk on the campuses of many Nigerian Universities, you will realize that they have a lot of potentials. Yet, I wonder why the Nigerian Media hardly reports the positive developments on our campuses. Negative journalism reigns supreme in Nigeria. One of our secondary school girls participated in a NASA programme some years ago, yet no Nigerian Newspaper or Magazine put her on their front cover. The key to Nigeria's development is quality information and passion for development on the part of Nigerians. We should also learn to celebrate innovation and creative minds among us. I have my plans and the good lord has given me the go ahead. Cheers.

ill be spending some days in ibadan on my next trip to nigeria so im sure to go have a look see,i agree with you and i have made these same comments on a thread in the politics section about why the sahara reporters sowore man has negleted to highlight the failings,corruption and decadence generally in nigerian universities,secondly if you care to look at most of the cynical/negative comments and put downs about positive developments in nigeria,you will discover that majority are made by us diasporians,if you dont believe just go through most of the threads on the politics section and then check their locations,same goes for other nigerian social networks,hence the reason why i reserve my indignations and criticisms for diasporians even though im one, this is where i think anyone with a passion should come in,how many scientific research facilities whave we supported in initiating or supporting as diasporians especially as we know these are the mediums that produce future scientists,inventors e.t.c
yet we are the first to rubbish every nigerian innovation

@tbaba83
first of all,check my location and you ll realise i am based abroad as well,so my comments are not borne out of bitterness or jelousy, just thought ill get that out of the way first.

now your first paragraph,yes i believe they should,there is something called social responsibility,if the government are exhibiting obvious failings,then we should take it upon ourselves to do the litte we can,if you dont do anything and i dont and no one does,then the society will breed legion numbers of area boys and armed robbers,and we end up losing as well,if you get to muritala mohammed,can you honestly say u dont look back or check the side mirror in case armed robbers are following you?
can you honestly say u r not scared if you r in a hold up or going out at night?
lets be honest,how many of us abroad,are even ashamed to even mention our villages due to the level of deprivation and backwardness?
we know the government cant do it for one reason or the other,so rather than flaunting money,wouldnt it be better served by doing the bit we can?if a white family can decide to build schools,hospitals e.t.c for our own people,i beieve it is an indictment on us as citizens of these countries if we havent or dont do anything about it,while we are waiting for government,children who have no opportunities are turning to armed robbers and hired killers who will turn round to terrorise us,have you wondered why some armed robbers will still rape and kill even after taking money?

some will keep on smacking their victims for no reason,and then exhibiting a high level of resentment towards them,the reasons are because they feel like they have been failed and let down by the society at large,not just the government.

yes,you have made your contribution,but you and i know how far that has gone in improving the standard of living of the average villager, i believe you are being overly simplistic  and boderline dismissive about this,and i will suggest you check the disadvantages and advantages of leaving it to the government,as to the last bullet points,pls count me out sire,with all sense of humility i attended private schools all through my education and had my degree programme abroad in a good british university.

i like some others who share my sentiments could very well ignore the les well off,after all we r not affected in any way and continue doing our own thing like you are inferring,but you forget that we dont have any other country and secondly no matter the level of wealth and affluence you atatin in the society,the threat of these less well off we are ignoring will be hanging over our heads,
even if you live in a fortified mansion,you are bound to come outside hence at risk of these same boys who are hawking pure water and lemon vicks and gala in the hold ups, if i was abandoned and neglected in my childhood and circumstances pushed me to armed robbery,you can bet 9 times out of ten any rich,well off victim to me is an embodiment and personification of the government who has failed me,the rich who have ignored my plight, that is the gospel truth sire!

@redman44
i totally share your sentiments,and i get what you r saying about nigerians in general,but i will still reiterate that,these attitudes and behaviours are not just an inordinate inborne thing,fostered and sustained as a result of years of dissappointment,hopelessness,loss of opportunities,poverty e.t.c in a situation where a university undergrad has to be a mini local govt on his/her own,providing what the university authorities should be doing i.e accomodation,conducive learning environment,good lecture halls e.t.c they are bound to compromise if the opportunity presents itself,that is different from these that have the opportunity and then pissing it down the drain.these that have a lackadaisical approach to life or are lethargic, is as a result of several knock downs making them despondent and cynical about the nigerian situation,when you have been to a million interviews and you have passed convincingly and the job is given to someone else on the basis of ethnicity or family/political connections,how do you think one will feel?

i applaud your decision to go back home,as i have and are working on similar plans myself,i just wish more diasporians will have this though process,as it will go a long way in kick starting our own brand of the great leap foward.you r welcome and GOOD luck.

@redman44
while i agree with most of your comments,i disagree with the second and third paragraphs as i believe diasporians share a lot of the faults as well,
its all well and good calling for a revolution of the mind,but what are diasporians doing to change the status quo?its all very well and good for anyone to tell nigerians not to run abroad when in actual fact the ones abroad have either refused to contribute their own developemental quota, but will come back home for two weeks flaunting dollars and pounds as if money grows on trees abroad without telling their hangers on the truth of what goes on abroad.
also,how many diasporians have opted to voluntarily go back to nigeria,like the whites do to africa either as volunteers or relocate and stand shoulder to shoulder with nigerians and either show them how things are done abroad and also identify with them and what they r going through,i dont believe the average nigerian is as bad as you are painting considering what they have to go through on a daily basis,rather i believe it behoves us to do more to lead by example,there are less than 2% of children adopted in orphan homes in nigeria due to the stigma attached,if 50% of diaporians adopted a child each or fostered or opted to sponsor a child,the figures will be relatively less,and it will also serve as a catalyst to breaking down the stigma,i was watching a programme on sky about something holidays and this average white family have always spent their holidays in a ghananian village that they have adopted,they raise monies to pay for school buildings,water and general well being of the whole village yet they are not africans, where are the ghananians in uk?same goes for us as well

presido1:
At the same time u wrote the quote below.
Then u asked what next.

Why not tell us your annoyance.

i am simply echoing the part of ynot's comment that i agreed with,which is that apart from being a tourist attraction and an archaeological find bla bla bla [b]assuming for the sake of argument[/b]this is different from agreeing with it,i dont!

my only annoyance is the delusions of grandeur being exhibited,one naija proverb says if you dream of winning a large amount of money in your dream,when you wake up,dont just sit down and expect the money to miraculously come to you,this is what is happening here,because of some erroneous find by some obscure professor in a university that isnt even in the top 50 universities in the uk,a university whose research quality is 0.7 out of a total mark of 7.0,is that a pass or fail for researches??and its been posted as some form of trophy justifying ethnic superiority, obviously because it reinforces some people's ethnic superiority,they are not bothered that the university scoring a poor or dismal failure in research on the university rankings isnt an indictment on any research findings, the man is suddenly"world renowed expert"

romeo:
What is Hilarious? Your endless mockery of the Igbo people or your inability to use the internet appropriately to check facts?

The Igbo ukwu findings are far more sophisticated than those pyramids. If you ignorants are not too bent on talking bad about the Igbos on any given chance, you could've been researching on this very topic knowing that something like that increases tourism and pride of a nation. Now go shit on your pants: The benefits will be for my darling Biafra soon

why is any contrary opinion an invitation to attack from yourself and your fellow biafran revolutionaries??
personally i am cautiously sceptical about this funny assertion same as others like igbos are descendants of jews,they ae the most intelligent e.t.c to me they are nothing more than a group of people claiming ethnic supreority,go and check hitler's mein kampf and you ll discover this is how he started.
while discountenancing ynot's insults,i totally agree with the part of his comment where he was asking what use is this really?

lets assume that its true,and its a massive acheological find and a great tourist attraction,after that what next

rather than using this as a feel good factor translating to nothingness,show us the technological progression you have made from that time till the present moment,after all you have supposedly done what the white people could not do several hundreds of years ago,coupled with the oil money at your disposal all these years lol
lets also assume the yorubas,hausas,south south e.t.c are all stupid and not as intelligent as romeo and his "aryan igbo"ethnic race

we are all nigerians,so theres nothing bad in helping the guy contribute photos as well
@poster
nice one,pls keep em coming,will post some in a bit as well

KnowAll:
Fayose is fighting for his political career, a former Govermor of Ekiti State and he cannot bury his dad in his state. How can he convince the people of ekiti that he is a true son of the soil if his father is buried in another state. His political career will be in tatters if it is not already in tatters.

didnt know this was an indication of one's political clout,what if the father was blown up in iraq or the body couldnt be found for some reason?

insighful and poignyant, post more pics of the pre war and after pls

selling clothes is all about quality,ill advice you to buy good quality clothes from the uk,europe(italy,france e.t.c)and then america,nigerians like good quality and they are prepared to pay for it,but if you can only afford to stock medium to low quality clothes,dont expect to attract high rollers or more profits so it depends on yourself and how much or less you are willing to compromise

the title of the post is wrong to start with,you cant stop or inhibit anyone from travelling out of their immediate domain,also with globalisation travelling out itself is a form of exposure and education, so it doesnt necesarily mean that any nigerian wanting to travel out is for the same reasons, the nigerians ill advise to stay in nigeria are the ones who have better opportunities in nigeria and also the ones abroad who have no papers,no means of getting their papers,no prospects e.t.c

generally the reasons for anyone to stay in nigeria are racism and the idea of being a second class citizen no matter what you have achieved,more and flexible business opportunities in nigeria,better weather,while the economies in the western world are on a decline,that of nigeria is an emerging aconomy

this fayose sef,why doesnt he just allow his father's wishes to prevail,after all the man mandated them to bury him in ibadan, but he loves controversy so much that he ll hijack his father's corpse,thank GOD for the prayers of his wife on his life

iReport:
Like I said before you don't know how much that was paid to this man as gratuity and pensions. Namdi Azikiwe was a president so their own case may be different. How many ex presidents do we have in Nigeria?. American ex presidents receive the same accolades like she requested. Ronald Reagan's wife is still getting stipends from the American govt.

true,neither do you know if any monies was paid or not,so the best we can do is glean from the informations available to us,which is the man's assertions that the only funds they got were handouts from their late father's former associates,im not comparing nnamdi azikwe's case with his, im just highlighting that case to show you it is very possible that they have neither received a pension or any form of severance pay for their dad.
the case with nigeria's is that if you are not in the corridors of power or know someone who knows someone or are relevant politically,then you will suffer the same thing the guy and his siblings are,its got nothing to do with government legislatio or the law so theres no basis for comparing it with the western world where the rule of law reigns

iReport:
Like I said before you don't know how much that was paid to this man as gratuity and pensions. Namdi Azikiwe was a president so their own case may be different. How many ex presidents do we have in Nigeria?. American ex presidents receive the same accolades like she requested. Ronald Reagan's wife is still getting stipends from the American govt.






No matter what you say, Kola abiola cannot be compared to his iconic dad in the field of business and politics. he can't even match him in the field of accumulating women lol.
PITY

i toally agree with that,but then again,what he lacks in politics,he might have in private business,we dont know that for sure,but we know that he is still living in luxury commensurate to his status,what his family went through is enough for any first son to desist from politics and associating with politicians like his dad did,the betrayals e.t.c remember he is not the only one neither is he the first shagari,alhaji alhaji amongst other notable politicians retired from politics to relative obscurity, its not an indication of them having a deficiense in politricks or financial wherewithal.

as for lekan abiola,i have read the article posted,and what i came away with is that of sensational journalism and some erroneous facts and half truths, they said the guy was evicted,he said he wasnt and took the pains to explain in details how he was caught in the cross fire of the nwude/efcc imbroglio,so how does that translate to being broke and evicted over non payment of rents,did you read the article in its entirety??

lets even assume that he was broke,remember that he is from a polygamous family,abiola or no abiola.so if the purse strings is firmly in the hands of kola and there r frictions between them both,it stands to reason that even if their dad left hundreds of billions,and the law supports kola,he can decide to blank lekan and any others out there are numerous examples of hight profile polygamous drama one of which is evan enwerem widows ,also the article said the guy was a devout muslim,so this might have being an important factor in him forsaking any ostentatious display of wealth and settling in to a life of obscurity, whatever the article might have said,the last 2 paragraphs has nullified the totality of it seeing as the guy himself has offered up a convincing and highly credible explanation.

iReport:
That was what landed pastor Adelaja in hot soup and yes anybody with little connections can start it. It may be a very big feat for you and me but not for someone that stood on MKO's pedestal.

I think it was paid and they squandered it and no a thieving governor will continue to steal because it's motivated by greed and not want.Azikiwe's status is different from Zuwo.oooh whareva

well "little connections"is relative,"little money"is relative and elastic,the focal point here is that she is and has moved on to greater things after abiola's death,and whichever way you want to dice or split it,being the chief executive of a micro finance bank in nigeria with a share capital running into hundreds of millions is no mean feat.

i like the word "i think"meaning you are still making your comments based solely on speculations and no modicum of credibility to it at all,also while zik's status is different to zuwo's,the fact remains that what both their families are going through vis avis entitlements are the same thing,this is the underlying problem cutting across both families and many others,not the fact that one was a governor and the other was a president, they both served their country at a point in time and both deserved some form of pensions package/severance and are being ignopred by the government

ill be highly sceptical untill they release copies of the actual recording and not transcrips of it

OMO IBO:
i think the guy you quoted was referring to 'living in bondage'.

was jide kosoko trying to say the movie he produced was bigger and better than 'living in bondage'? or are you the one trying to make the point?either way, who ever thinks jide kosoko's movie was any better don miss road.

i cant say who started nollywood but 'living in bondage' without the shadow of a doubt threw the gates open.
like i said in my previous post, Okey Ogunjiofor did well not to dwell on who started nollywood. it would have been pointless.

well,saying a movie is better is relative,if you ask me both movies are not up to standard so i personally wouldnt say they are "bigger and better"
what jide kosoko was saying is that he produced the first nollywood movie,i agree living in bondage appealed to more wider demographics but i dont agree it was better,neither do i agree it threw the gates open,nollywood as a concept is the issue between jide kosoko and by extension the yoruba speaking movie industry and the living in bondage guy and by extension the ibo speaking side, and it is as clear as day that the alade aromire/jide kosoko movie was the very first nollywood movie in nigeria

ThiefOfHearts:
Would you like for me to post the many times you've been guilty of "language". Please dont start, thanks

well i v turned a new leaf,you should as well

grafikdon:
Never heard about the other movie until I read the same interview in Naijarules two days ago.

maybe you havent,but it was a massive hit among the demographics it was made for at the time i.e yorubas, if you dont watch yoruba movies then it stands to reason you wouldnt have heard about it, having said that historically and looking at this strictly chronologically,the yoruba movie of the man came before living in bondage,simple.

ThiefOfHearts:
You people are mad dumb

language pls,was this necessary?

angel01:
Compulsory registration of sim cards is not enforced on pay-as-you -go sims in the UK. Instead some mobile service providers reward customers with a few pounds credit that will be sent to their address if they register their sim online.
NCC just wants to waste resources on this sim registration.

people dont use pay as you go sims to commit the level of crime in the uk like it is used in nigeria,moreover if you look at the positives that ll be accrued by compulsory registration of sims in nigeria compared to the negatives,you ll note the positives massively outweight the negatives

this buck toothed bankole of a dude,just keeps on frightening me by the day,each time he makes one of his arrogant,diabolic careless statements,i get double scared when i realise he might potentially become governor of ogun state, i just shudder at the thought

again,an awesome and well thoughout initiative which will go a long way in crime reduction

Cleric condemns PFN attack on T.B. Joshua
Sunday, 05 April 2009 00:00
Stanley Uzoma Anuonye

Pastor of Power in the World Teaching Ministry, Ikorodu, Reverend Isaac Ojo-Eleka has called on the leadership of the Pentecostal Fellowship of Nigeria (PFN), to stop criticising the founder of the Synagogue Church of All Nations, Pastor, T. B. Joshua.

Rev. Ojo-Eleka said in a press statement that it was un-Christian for the PFN hierarchy to keep pouring scorn on the evangelical work of Pastor Joshua over whether he’s a true or false prophet of God.

He said while many of the critics were quick to question the source of power of T.B. Joshua, none had come out to say it was God who revealed to him or her that the Synagogue pastor is a false one.

“All they keep saying is where and when did he start? Where and when did he embrace Christ? Which Bible college did he attend? When and where did he become born-again?”, Ojo-Eleka observed.

He called on those of them who believed it was impossible for T.B. Joshua to have been chosen by God from his mother’s womb to go and read what God said about Prophet Jeremiah in the Bible in the book of Jeremiah Chapter 1 verse 5.

He also argued that as popular as Prophet Elijah was, nothing was known about him than that he was a Tishbite of the inhabitants of Gilead, asking the PFN leaders to name who Elijah’s father, mother, wife/wives and children were.

He noted that: “When Jesus shall come to inquire of true worshipers, the question will not be who worshiped in Jerusalem, Lagos, RCCG, TREM,Synagogue, C&S, Celestial or TAC. The question will be who worshiped in truth and in the Spirit.

On insinuation by the PFN that the sources of T B Joshua’s powers are questionable because he has failed to account to the PFN the genesis of the Synagogue, Ojo-Eleka said only God had the right to judge anyone or question any body’s faith.

“Who or which organisation or society is assigned the duty of determining who a man or a servant of God is, or who worship God in spirit and in truth? Where is it written in the scriptures that God must take permission from PFN leaders before commissioning T.B Joshua for his work?”, he queried.

He likened the attitude of the PFN leaders towards Joshua to that of the Biblical Pharisees who questioned the source of the healing powers of Jesus Christ after he had healed a man that had been blind from birth.

He queried the propriety of PFN tagging of T.B. Joshua as occultic when its members had not been able to use their “true” prophetic powers to heal their sick members and alleviate their sufferings of their.

“If T B Joshua is a false prophet and is using occultic powers to perform miracles, why can’t PFN leaders who are ‘true prophets’ heal the sick with their own divine means? Why are their church members running from pillar to post looking for healing?”, he asked.

The clergy man noted that although Prophet T.B Joshua “has been able to touch the lives of many people around the world with his efforts as a minister of God through so many means,” many other people have been denied the opportunity to benefit similarly due to the fact that the PFN keeps describing Joshua’s healing powers as occultic.

“I begin to wonder how many innocent Nigerians must have died prematurely of ailments that they could have been healed of by God through His servant, T B Joshua, simply because these people were prevented and discouraged from visiting the Synagogue.”

Ojo-Eleka also pointed out that in spite of being repeatedly labelled as occultic pastor by the PFN, T B Joshua had been able to touch more lives than his accusers.

He recalled the number of broken homes the Synagogue prophet had helped to restore as well as his charitable projects in aid of the less-privileged and accused PFN leaders of competing to acquire private jets while their members were wallowing in abject poverty.

He pointed out that many of the PFN leaders who were today questioning the background of T.B. Joshua were themselves authors and products dissident churches.

“It is not a wonder to see directors of failed banks, ex drug barns and retrenched workers turning emergency pastors and claiming to be pentecostal. Who is their mode? Jesus Christ never criticised anybody. Why are these people fighting for God? The great Mahatma Gandhi to visiting Christians: I like your Christ, I do not like you Christians. You Christians are so unlike your Christ”, Ojo-Eleka argued.

He therefore charged the PFN leaders to learn to humble and discipline themselves so that they could also enjoy the grace of God and special anointing being enjoyed by T.B. Joshua.

http://nigeriamasterweb.com/paperfrmes.html

iReport:
There is no tribalism here. Government cannot continue to pay you pension after your demise, point blank. Should the Awolowos, Fajuyis, Azikiwes, Okparas, Balewas, Mbadiwes, Ironsis etc be receiving pension from the government because their fathers served in the top echelon of the Nigerian government?

lets assume for the sake of this discourse that government cannot continue to pay their pension,do you honestly think a one off pension paid to an ex governor will not give his family a comfortable life?google how much pension was paid to the governor before muazu babangida the present governor of niger state(forgotten his name)and you ll realise it was running into hundreds of millions of naira,these gys you mentioned shouldnt just have had their pensions paid,but government should take over their personal effects and compensate the family and use them as museum pieces,do you realise that nnamdi azikiwe's wife also cried out about this same thing this man is saying last year or 2007?google it and you ll find the story,and by the way she is educated and a university lecturer,so how would you justify that

iReport:
First of all, there is [/b]no billionaire in Nigeria known as ayam osigwe how much less Jimmy carter[a whole American ex president] sleeping in his house. That story is bogous[b] and that's why we have Sheraton and Nicon Noga.
His younger brother that once married the daughter of a Zimbabwean minister. He is as broke as hell now and that is Simbiat's son. I think his name is Lekan Abiola.

exactly my point,you dont know them and you never heard their names because they dont want anyone to do so,their family house is in g.r.a ikeja and they have been a part of every single government in nigeria,right from the late patriach of the family to the ensuing generations,the strange thing that brought them a little notce was the fact that they all wear white suits and any clothing from the oldest to the youngest,and [/b]yes jimmy carter sleeps over at their house[b] i am that sure because i know this for a fact,but i wouldnt want to disclose anyone's privates on an online portal,i cant put their address on here but i challenge anyone that lives or works in gra to find out who this family are,they own oil blocs,banks,real estates e.t.c and have all lived in the same house,they buy cars e.t.c at the same time e.t.c

as to lekan abiola,i still find that veeery hard to believe,as i have tried to give you the benefit of doubt by googling it and i came up with air,i dont believe it.

iReport:
Was it not Doyin that captained concord press and Habib bank before?. How successful do you think she is now even after standing on Moshood's pedestal? Any microfinance institution is a concept and anybody can start it. If she really has any major game on her plate, she won't be bothered with this microfinance kini. Isn't that the same thing that landed pastor Adelaja in trouble few weeks ago? Microfinance ko majorfinance ni.

i never said she started microfinance,i said she was heading a microfinance bank,what exactly do you mean it is a concept,in case you have been disconnected from happenstances in naij,do you realise there are microfinance banks operating now?http://www.imfb-bank.com/aboutus.html
yes,even you can start it,if you have a couple of hundred millions in your wallet to register,get the necessary deposits,running costs,and other logistics e.t.c. !!i dont know what pastor adelaja has to do with this??

iReport:
I don't think so. I think if you die, your family is only entitled to your death benefits accrued which is usually an option during your lifetime. The govt cannot continue paying a retired teacher her pension and still continue to pay it to her family even after death. I've not heard of that before.

again,let us even assume that pensions shouldnt be paid after the death,surely you agree that a man's pension package should be paid to his family?after all even retired soldiers and civil servants's families claim their pensions,you can easily google this fact or find out from anyone in nigeria, first,the guy by his own admission did not say anything about a point/issue as important as them having collected their father's pensions,all he said was thaT they have been helped out by charities from their father's former associates,second how much do you reckon a former governor's pension package will be worth considering how much has been paid to subsequent governors in some cases running into hundreds of millions?

its not like the guy didnt go through an institution,he did do the printing course thingy,he was just unlucky that his father wasnt there to get him the necessary machinery and stuffs to actualise his course and like i stated earlier,this is not peculiar to the barkin zuwo man,the very same thing is happening with the late nnamdi azikwe's widow,the story showed her compound overgrown with weeds,and the lady having to go back to teahing as no money was coming in and non government recognition both state and federal
@kola abiola and habib bank
surely,you know that isnt an indication that kola abiola isnt broke??if you inherited your father's businesses,obviously there will be concerns that you will divest yourself off,there ll be some that you might be dropped from solely for the fact that they only have a relationship with your father,some you dnt have an interest in, and you might want to try out your own ideas,dangote's family the dantatas,gave him money and he went in a different direction,otedola's dad was into printing press(impact press)but he veered in a different direction so this article is not proving much other than the fact that recapitalisations,shake ups e.t.c is inevitable in a business of this size and in the circumstances that his father died,
im sure you know enought about nigeria to know it is not as clear cut as a jeffrey archer novel,

chidichris:
does it mean all of u here did watch the oputa panel where mustapha made a mess of this foolish diya.
i wonder what these idiots take us for. obj when he had problems with atiku over third term came out to tell nigerians that atiku was a criminal claiming he did not know till then.
well a look at the following names will have a massage to nigerians,

1. obj
2. diya
3. bode george
4. borrishade
5. fani kayode
6. mrs etteh
7. Iyabo obasanjo
8. adedibu

a situation or [/b]a people that permits men and women criminals, father and daughter criminals, old and young criminals, literate and illitrate criminals, military and civilian criminals! wow! i guess something is wrong somewhere[b].

mr.diya shld be celebrating his excape from the shackles of death during the abacha days and not boring nigerians with his weaknesses.

maybe im just being paranoid,but could you clarify the context in whih you r making the comments in bold coupled with only having yoruba names up there as if they are the only criminals in nigeria?if you ask me i think you r pointing to something but ill allow you to clarify yourself

DRANOEL:
see how one sided you are,you have met otedola,fine,have you met dangote?

you r right,but i was judging dangote based on his background educationally as opposed to otedola's

FACE:
@Lucabrasi, I do not think that you knew Sabo Barkin Zuwo at all. He won the state election after Rimi decamped from PRP to NPP. He was Kano state governor for 3 months between 0ct 83 and Dec 83 when Buhari struck.

He made a name for being illiterate and not being able to distinguish between Fanta and solid mineral. "We hab flenti minaral por Kano, we hab za mirinda, za panta and za Kwoka kwola" Yeah that was him.

agreed but,i really dont think having a reputation for being an illiterate is the worst one can be known for considering the reputation of the so called professors,chemistry lecturers e.t.c we have in our polity do you?btw remember the incidence of the man who drank how many cups of tea?was it tafawa balewa or waziri?still didnt stop him achieving did it?

FACE:
About the highlighted part of you statement, will you have a change of opinion if you found that (according to Buhari and co) he was caught with cartons of money totalling about 3.6 million Naira (when naira was naira) when Buhari stuck. Not bad for a guy who'd only been in town for three months huh ? Buhari went on to Jail him to serve millions of years in jail to run "concurrently" alongside many other govs.

in other words,was it an unproven allegation?
b the way,i happen to know a prominent npn member who was jailed during this time as well on trumped up charges of corruption which he denied,when he took the millitary guys doing the investigation round his properties,they asked him if he built all these in 3 months, is that possible??
the point im making is that while like you asserted earlier,i dont know the man neither do i know the level of his moral probity,i know for sure that the story i relatedis a true story in which i know the man it happened to,secondly the millitary way of doing things is different from the law so i really dont think this counts as a man being corrupt,moreso as the article made it clear through his son that he only had one property,and we know hausas are not yorubas or ibos who spray sunny ades and obeseres with wads of naira
[quote ]I cannot vouch for the man's innocence or otherwise, but you cannot vouch either way too.

[/quote]exactly,so we should keep an open and objective mind on this issue
[quote author=FACE link=topic=257522.msg3687957#msg3687957 date=1238841626]Back to the point, people are not entitled to better lives than others just because their parents held important political offices !!! They are not different from the children of everyday civil servants. I will tell you the only exceptions; those whose parents surrendered their lives while serving the people. Frontline soldiers, officials murdered in the line of duty etc.

Even so, the children of those people are not entitled to a life of luxury funded the government, but a good lifestyle to ensure they continue to maintain the same living standard before the death of their parent/spouse in addition to help with their education.

its not about them bettering their lives by virture of their dad's office,but having a basic standard of living,it is not about them but about the office their father held,and his entitlements as a former governor and senator,if you hold the office of a governor in america for 1 month,you are addressed as a governor,in you hold the office of a president,you are called that for life and you have some pension package that goes with the office,are senior civil servants not entitled to a pension package commensurate to their office??talk less of a governor.

exactly my stance,i am advocating for a "good life" and that is what the man is asking for as well,not a mansion in abuja or ikoyi

naijaking1:
Yeah, It's the same Alhaji Sabo Barkin Zuwo of the fanta, coca-cola-mineral fame. He was never a minister though.

@Lucabrasi
Let me get this. Are you saying that because this guy's father was a governor, we somehow owe him something? Bye way of pension and gratuity?? While we don't know the status of his pension, etc, let's not forget that there are 4 wives, 18 other children by the late governor. Anyone of them could have collected his pension.
Anyway, whether one retired as a governor or a gardiner one needs to have their pension paid, and on time too. Late payment of pensions is one of the problems in Nigeria, and this guys' case should be no exception.

exactly what im saying,an ex governor level even juxtaposing it with the civil service will be on a very senior scale in pension calculation,not just because the man was a govenor but by virture of the fact that our constitution makes provision for a pension package for him,while we really dont know one way or the other if the pension has been claimed,we know what the man wrote in the papers i.e that apart from handouts from the man's former associates,they have not been able to get any other money, the bolded i totally agree with and has been my focal stance right from the get go, im not concerned about his family/domestic life or how many wives or children he left behind,as that will not be a factor in calculating whatever funds he is entitled to.

iReport:
Once again, you are not so sure he didn't own properties but gave it out to his concubines before his death OR one of his grown children squandered his loot and left the younger ones penniless. That guy is Hausa, had it been he is yoruba, he will tell you what happened to his fathers wealth and how the first son squandered it with women without hiding anything.

yes,im not so sure,but neither are you as well,like i wrote above,what we know at this point is the fact that other than the handouts they have been receiving from the man's associates, he didnt mention any official funds or pensions package,which i believe he would have mentioned, so are we starting some tribal stereotypes here now?cause it seems to me that irrespective of the true position of issues,you seem to be saying his ethnicity is not might be an important factor in him concealing otherwise important information, i totally disagree with that.

iReport:
Being loaded is relative because Dangote is loaded as well as Pasuma wonder but the degree of their "loadedness" varies. Kola Abiola is not half as rich as his dad and he destroyed his fathers massive business empire. Was it not his younger brother sometime last year that was facing ejection by his landlord in Allen ave.

the peculiar thing about him i.e kola is that he is loaded whichever parameter you want to measure him with,the fact that he doesnt involve or concern himself with politics isnt taking that fact away,there are many billionaires in nigeria that we dont hear their names and have you considered the fact that kola abiola might have gone underground due to his father's experiences?i was reading an online article about a man michael prest,have you heard his name before?yet he is a billionaire and nigerian residing in nigeria, have you heard of the ayam osigwes before?yet they are billionaires many times over and jimmy carter regularly sleeps over at their house in g.r.a lagos
as for kola abiola's younger brother facing ejection,i never heard of that and find it hard to believe,however im sure you know that not everyone bearing the abiola name has acess to the man's funds and properties,many are not even his biological child which was found out after his death.

iReport:
The truth is that the Abiola's are yet to show at least half the first class business acumen their dad had.I think entering into politics may help him[kola] to recoup the lost wealth because he is capable of looting Ogun state to blindness. I do not consider Kola a successful businessman because he is obviously having a good time from his father's reserve.What do you mean by pension package?. His pension died with him now. Should the govt continue to pay a dead man pension?. The govt paid him to take care of his children which includes sending them to school which will clear the path for a brighter future rather he decided to accumulate more women with his salary.

again,i diagree with you,the fact that they dont share their dad's ebullient personality or love for politics doesnt automatically mean that they dont have his business acumen,for instance doyin abiola is the chairman of a micro finance bank yet not many people knows this and would have readily dismissed her offhand because they dont hear much about her anymore,how can barkin zuwo's pension dies with him?
if a man dies,his family are still entitled to his pensions and any gratuity coming to him,thats the purpose of the next of kin section of the forms,
again,you r jumping to unproven conclusions and making unsubstantiated allegations to suit your stance,nowhere in the article did the man say that the government sponsored their education,and even if they didnt o to school,shpuld that preclude them from their right as it were?what level of education did dangote have?

biina:
You should reread your first post and then ask yourself that question.

i have re read it and i have made my conclusions about your reasoning faculties

biina:
WTF

r you ok

iReport:
Do you have any proof to Awolowo and obj owning half of Lagos estate?. I guess not. You also don't have any proof that this guys father didn't steal anything. May be they mismanaged it or it landed in the wrong hands after his demise. Haven't you seen people that were so rich before and ended in poverty?. How much is the Abiola empire worth now in the hands of Kola?. The end justifies the means.

true,but then again aint we all making comments whithin a realm of speculation?as for obasanjo i have seen his farm and anyone who has will tell you so as well,as for awolowo it is a known fact for anyone who wants to know,now your imagination is running riot,mention one single local government chairman talk less of senator/govenor who has retired after the era of black gold with one single property in their hometown and nothing else,dont even go near kola abiola,the fact that he isnt interested in politics or making noise doesnt mean he isnt loaded, all these are preambles as the focal point is
that the man deserves more,
unless you are now saying a man and by extension his family who died without corruptly enriching himself in a country like nigeria doesnt deserve at least a proper pension package

instead of them to encourage the man so that he ll use his annointing to drive out the violent demons and subdue the criminals and murderers running amok in their country,they are planning to drive him out and allowing satan to re open his headquarters that has been shut,not even talking of the taxes the man pays,i really dont know why the man left nigeria in the first place,hopefully he will go back to the country where he is appreciated before they hurt him

jamace:
Lets see whether Okonkwo will defeat Amalinze " the Cat" in this contest.

or more important let both okonkwo and the cat continue fighting so that they will soften the grass for average nigerians lol