₦airaland Forum

asha 80:
What do you mean by treated fairly?By who?

I repeat you are not making sense.So those of us whose parents where not in power we should have been poorer that church rats?Stop excusing his poverty.

ill break it down so u ll understand, if you serve a country faithfully and honestly up untill your retirement,what kind of pension package do you deserve as a former governor?
second,go and check the pension package of nigerian governors,especially niger state bearing in mind they dont have the sort of moral intergrity barkin zuwo had.
for you if your parents are not in power,well they dont deserve the pension a former governor will deserve will they?
you get the reasoning now?

Mr Tpia:
I understand where Lucabrasi is coming from. Mainly because he's from a polygamous family, he expects the governor to have shared the wealth.

dont worry,we dont have the same problem the man has because we were all adequately taken care of,second speaking with all humility my father and his wives are not poverty ridden neither have we ever had cause to beg for anyone's charity, so what has my own life got to do with the man's?
the point i am making is that,it is not anybody's concern how many wives or children the man has,all we should be concerned about is if the man deserves more, and if he does should be given to his family to share whichever way they want,even if he has 1000 children, how many governors and former senators do you know who died leaving just one single property?not in abuja or lagos but his home state

iReport:
How much did Awolowo and OBJ stole compared to what is happening now that is if they stole at all?. Because Obasanjo has a crappy farm in Ota?. How much is that farm worth. Gwarzo was reported to be so rich that he can afford to buy the nation of Ghana and Togo for himself as a private property. You can't compare that with the peanut change that dropped for obasanjo in the 70's.

hmmmn,seems you have not been to obj farms before,ask anyone that has been there,that is not counting the landed properties obj had in lagos,this is not a comparison of how much they stole,but the fact that in the midst of all these people looting,the man didnt as evidenced in his worldly property when he died namely a single house, that kind of man should not only be commended for his honesty but his family should be rewarded adequately with a proper pension for life,this is not just to appreciate him and his honesty,but as a role model for upcoming politicians in his part of nigeria and the next generation

asha 80:
Are you justifying his whining?
Maybe you are one that should be asked his point.

the point you should ponder on is irrespective of how many wives and children,was the former governor's children and wives treated fairly?
if your answer is that they were,and that he shouldnt be ""whinning"then i guess your assertion will justify and vindicate the likes of ibb,ibori atiku and co because they dont want to end up in the same situation right?

iReport:
The guy was a governor in 1983. How many of them knew then that you can loot the whole treasury and get away with it?. It was Umaru Dikko that stole $3m for the first time in 1986 and everybody was like, how did he manage to do that. IBB was the first govt official that made politicians comfortable with looting the state treasury. How much did Obasanjo have after he ruled Nigeria as a military head of state?. I bet you shagari is broke too. Buhari only made money while heading PTF. Imagine a former head of state heading PTF under Abacha, that should  tell you how broke he was.

i beg your pardon,obj stole massively,apart from the operation feed the nation which he used to apportion farmlands to himself,that was before umaru dikko,awolowo stole hence the reason he was a multi millionaire with choice properties in ikoyi e.t.c and shares in coca cola bottling company,including others hence the reason why how many wives and children the man had isnt an issue at all,as that was his personal choice/life even the managing director of a private company deserves a generous pension and a proper property including other benefits talk less of a whole state,

no,GOD will not reveal a particular man to you,you are a child of GOD and you are entitled to exactly the kind of man you want,however you should pray concerning any man you meet and the lord will guide you into his real intentions plus your own common sense as well if im allowed to use that word i.e his mannerrisms,personality,little stuffs about him e.t.c
dont let any supposed man or woman or boy or girl of GOD deceive you into thinking you cant marry a particular person or u will marry a particular person,theres a bible verse to back up my asserion which i can dig up for you if u want

davidylan:
this is a fool who believes he is entitled to a good life not because he has worked for it but because his father was a former governor? Nigeria has become a collosal disgrace. . .

Perhaps that would explain your poverty . . . 4 wives, 18 children . . . what was your father's means of livelihood besides being a governor? So all 23 of you plus other hangers-on were just going to live off government funds?

dude,sometimes i wonder at the way we nigerians reason at times,irrespective of the fact that he worked for it or not, his father being a former senator and governor who served this country honestly and consientiously for many years deserves much more than his children and wives are getting now.
why are you pouring vitriol on the man,would you rather hail ibori and ibb's progenitors instead?


in case you r not getting it,the point here is that the man was honest enough not to steal the state blind and to accept ghana must go s and the result is his children living in abject poverty,that should be the issue any  objective individual will and should be concerned about and not how many wives or children he left behind, sucessive governors after him who stole the state blind and sucessive senators dont need to go on newspapers asking for help because they have stolen enough to last them,their multiple wives and children,so whats yur point

Pataki:
Abeg oh Lucabrasi, Essex is not bad at all. If you are talking of Essex, what would you say of Northampton? Go there and see wonders. It is the second most populated place after London which contains Nigerians.

guess it depends on what area of essex,grays is certainly bad
same as dagenham,barking,purfleet and surrounding areas, only been to northampton once and never again lol

hmmmnnn a bunch of IFS and ifs , assumptions and suppositions just to justify one's arguments,

lol this will be a massive shame for yar adua if they dont win the re run,maybe they know what we dont anyway lol
what im still stumped abt is the president a country with more than 150million people leaving the country's affairs to campaign in a random state governorship re run,not even a full election.
whichever way it goes@the end of the day,it ll make for an interesting election re-run, tinubu and the ac gladiators on one hand ,the whole of the nigerian cabinet and the pdp gladiators on the other

OMO IBO:
you see this is the problem. the question is will the powers that be let him import the commodities?

i believe the big wigs in Nigeria intentionally streamlined and ironed out their business interests. Hence, little or no competition from any other party including themselves. should either of these guys venture into business interests of the other then wahala go dey. at the back of my mind, i hope it happens but if it does happen then na naija masses go suffer am

of course they will,they both have equal powers and can leverage each other both financially and politically plus where dangote surpasses otedola in monetary terms,otedola by nature surpasses dangote in smartness and business savvy, i v met the man twice before before he became loaded and trust me otedola will do business and hang out with a 10 years old if there is money to be made,he will even allow you to put your legs on his head lol
all im waiting for is for otedola to massively flood the market with any of dangote's monopolies

asha 80:
What is wrong with woolwich?

Is it comparable to former oshodi?

yes it is and i mean literally

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=257534.msg3684956#msg3684956 date=1238777882]Woolwich of all places. . . . . . .I would rather go to Afghanistan(Land-mine ridden area).[/quote]was passing through,and picking up a takeout, wouldnt go there as well,espesially since i was mugged at gunpoint 2 yrs ago by nigerian guys with guns

Epiphany:
Bros, i thought i am the only one that does this. Many times when i am in parts of London and i see our people misbehaving, i just keep a straight face and pretend like i am not 'one of them'. Seriously, people have actually sat next to me on trains or buses, shouting in yoruba or ibo or pidgin, and i just force myself to maintain some form of decorum. When they finish their ill acts, turn to me and say, 'are you a Nigerian', i always reply in a very curt  and clipped tone, NO I AM NOT!   . Next thing, they will be asking you for change to buy a meal and where you live - blah blah blah

yes o especially south east,east london and dagenham,barking,grays and most parts of essex nigerians in oshodi are better behaved than they are both male and female.go to the new developments where nigerians tend to live and you will see our people drying clothes and towels on balconies  

Pataki:
What are you doing in Woolwich area? I personally cannot stand that place at all.

i went there to pick up a takeaway at a nigerian restaurant and i didnt have enough money so i had to use the nearest atm,i dont hold more than 10pounds anytime im going to that area since i was mugged

Falciparum:
When i first registered ere it was fun, I was kept fully updated on the issues concerning my dear country. But now i'm ashamed to even quote this site to people. I know its a forum in which we express our minds in a faceless society. But decency should not evade us since we have no faces. I have been on different forums on diff sites and they aren't half as bad as this. Strict rules need to be put in place to stop defaming other people. There are more sensible and intelligent ways of discussing issues. My heart bleeds cause the citizens are just as wicked as tiger leaders in their hearts. I pray everyday for the Nation and the people in it that we don't use our hands to destroy what others have managed to put together. Nigeria

im sorry to say that is vintage nigerians for you,and it boils down to ego trips and manner of approach, watch/read people's comments very carefully and it ll tell u a lot about their personality and if you need to avoid them or engage them in discourses

this is really shameful and embarassing,this is the reason i avoid east london and south east london like a plague ridden area,was using an atm machine in woolwich area about 3 summers ago,and saw this woman without a top backing a child with rubber slippers and speaking to someone really loud on the phone and i just covered my face in shame

@poster i dont see what the whole controversy is about,jide kosoko says he produced the first movie asirinla and the other guy didnt dispute that,all he said in his retort was that living in bondage was more popular and accepted that asiri nla and that was why people tended to identify with living in bondage as the first nollywood movie,in my own personal opinion both of them are right so stop stoking up tribal sentiments

OMO IBO:
like the saying goes 'when 2 elephants fight na the grass go suffer am'

this time around,the average nigerians will be the better for it,already people who r lucky would have bought ap shares cheap when dangote manipulated it,hopefully otedola will underut him by importing excess commodities,and cement making them cheap as chips

yes but it takes a whole lot of cleaning,care,risks e.t.c we have a private not for profit catfish pond and at times the guy that takes care of it will come with like ten big fish all floating without any prior signs of sickness,also i think it has to be cleaned fairly regularly,feeding and medicals are expensive so i wonder how ppl who do it as a business actually make money off it

now this is getting reallly interesting,
if i was as loaded as otedola tho,ill hit him where it hurts by ferrying a large shipload of cement,sugar and massively undercutting him,he can afford to absorb the loss

i dont think there was much wrong with the adoption process itself,the judge must have succumbed to and allowed the western media to becloud and influence his judgement,the girl herself is not the only issue here,but the impact madonna's celebrity status will bring to improving the country's situation and disadvantaged children,already it has been reported that madonna has used her clout to raise millions of poundsfor children in malawi and knowing how fickle and ego driven celebrities are,if she loses interest,then they will certainly be the worse for it and not her,as there are other african countries who will gladly allow her to adopt and the media will switch off from them as quickly as madonna does.
my sister adopted a total of 4 children from nigeria and she wasnt required to stay any amount of time in nigeria after they considered all the other conditions she had met,which is what they should have considered as they are not seriously expecting her to put the welfare of her other children on hold for one child

who or what did he finish?
whoever wrote that is simply stating his own side of the argument,and this isnt a balanced article at all,anyone reading all that rubbish will invariably conclude that ghananians are innocent,law abiding timid people that nigerian gargoyles have invaded and corroded their very existence and culture,of course obanikoro is right in defending his country after all that is his major prerogative there,are they expecting him to denounce nigeria and nigerians for ghana?

if he was being honest,he would have admitted that ghananians have been one of the prime culprits in using nigerian passports to commit all sorts of fraudulent acts,just because it was so easy to get before.
also contrary to what is being reported everywhere,while the ghana elections was better than nigerias,they had thugs and violence,my point being they r not as innocent and peaceloving as the man is painting them,and right now by the sheer economic/financial activities nigerians have brought to ghana,they certainly need us more than we need them

bawomolo:
you seem to be ignoring one thing. The "average" nigerian allows himself to be swayed and blown away by authority figures. Whether it's giving your child away to an almajiri, contributing your salary to a church's building fund or selling your votes for a crate of pepsi (add a bag of rice too).

like i said earlier,you are being overly simplistic about the problems,will any parent willingly wake up and decide he/she was tired of having their children stay with them,and decide to give the child/children away to almajiri??
in case you didnt realise,not even considering the religious aspect of it,and looking at churches as a purely sociological entity,they have been helping tremendously in keeping nigerians in check,they t least offer hope which is a massive catalyst in keeping the average nigerian going,can you imagine if the millions in the monthly holy ghost service and mountain of fire decide they have had enough??
you think the country wont go down in flames?

its so easy to say nigerians are at fault,while totally ignoring the fundamental issues fuelling the problems after all,they are an easy target

bawomolo:
The problem isn't being cynical, the problem is settling for less and being subservient to authority. You wonder why Nigeria hasn't witnessed something to the level of the cedar or orange revolution. What makes us different from Ukraine or Lebanon? Wasn't Abacha an average Nigerian before he joined the army. Nigerian society produces bad leaders and not the other way around.

in other words,you are advocating that they should square up to authorities at the risk of getting shot,imprisoned while you and i are leaning back abroad?nothing makes us different from ukraine or lebanon,and nothing is stopping us from having a revolution,if nigerians in the diaspora are ready to put their money where their mouth is,im sure you know so much about these revolutions,imagine how much enthusiasm you will bring to the people if you can stand shoulder to shoulder with the average conductor,panel beater farmer in realisation of the revolution,that is the difference between nigeria and these other countries,
while diasporians from these countries including pakistan were prepared to go through anything including suicide bombing for their country,are you ready to up and buy a delta airlines ticket(one way) to nigeria and settle in the trenches?
revolution is so easy to call for when we are sat in the comfort of our heated living rooms using a smooth runnning computer,withelectricity, food,health e.t.c not being an issue
the oligarchs and fifth columnists,who have the life and soul of the country in their hands produce the bad leaders,and nigerians have no choice in the matter as presently constituted,however i have not made my views a secret on where i think nigerians in general both diasporians and in nigeria have their own faults ,and where they have erred

blacksta:
i hope you are notsaying it is the job of FIFA to help us manage our infrastructure

i tire o,

bawomolo:
where does the Nigerian leadership come from, Mars?  

Was Adedibu born into an aristocratic household (the man didn't even finish secondary school)?

There are many average Nigerians in power who do nothing.  The problems in Nigerian isn't leadership but the reluctance of Nigerians to challenge authority whether it be a pastor  (touch not my anointed or respect "true" men of god), a teacher (say something and you get flogged) or Politicians (respect your elders).

You can babble about leadership all you want but we all know what the true problem is.

What are doing to break down those barriers? selling your votes for a pack of recharge cards or a crate of pepsi?

not from mars but near enough, considering the same set of of people have been ruling and have had their strangle hold on power ever since i was born.

adedibu wasnt born into an aristocratic family though his mum was rich,he simply took advantage of a void left by the govt namely sociological welfare of the ibadan people,hence the reason they felt like they owe him an obligation,so its not as simplistic as you r making it look,if it was that easy,why did arisekola drive these same people away when they approached him to do the same thing for them.

i have written this severally on here,why would you blame the average nigerian for being cautiously cynical or reluctant,with the level of deception
and dissappointment suffered in the hands of supposed leaders/activists?
we are all here when keyamo,a supposed freedom fighter was accused of all sorts,same as ozekhome,smart adeyemi e.t.c who have used the average nigerian to further their careers and then abandoned them in the lurch

right on cue,i trust you to put your oar in,as soon as you sighted the topic was concerning a yoruba man,i bet you ll march in the thread double pistols blazing if anyone had dared to call ojukwu or any ibo eminent individual all these names

bawomolo:
There is no safety net in India or China? Why have they ran past us? The US started a bankrupt war torn country. There is no room for excuses.

well,check out how long they have had an unfettered and uninterrupted democracy in india,also the blue print for the present china as we know it,im not justifying the present rot in our leadership,but im saying the average nigerian doesnt have a chance.
@us
and we know how they managed to turn their deficit round,the blood on their hands and that time of the century e.t.c

texazzpete:
It's with Nigerians.
On the roads, in the office, at home. . .the vast majority of Nigerians are happy to break rules for their own selfish ends.

the fact of the matter is that,they either break the rules,offer bribes e.t.c or run the risk of being frustrated by intentional bureaucratic barriers placed there to teach them a lesson

ziddy:
@ poster
whats with this ur insistence on spelling the yoruba word wrongly? Are you dyslexic?

lmao @bolded
@post
kudos to the fashman,t least after the tourney,the lagos state health service will have unfettered use of an air ambulance option as opposed to the present scenario where even multi billionaires dont have the option in an emergency, nigerians and their unbridled cynicism

@banom
im really sorry for your loss, its obvious you r beyond redemption

the average nigerian refusing to accept hand outs/bribes for voting,and even if they do,dissappoint the bribe givers by voting their conscience all the same.

by voting credible candidates in overwhelming numbers making it really difficult for inec to fiddle with numbers, if a pdp candidate is behind by a few tens of thousands,the onus will be on him/her to seek help from inec and that ll be easy for an inec official to do, but if he/she is behind by a few hundreds of thousands,then that l be so obvious that the inec official will be helpless.

altruistic political leaders who can inspire and serve as a catalyst for change

the causes are legion amongst which are cautious optimism/cynicism as a result of years of disappointment,no opportunities to achieve their full potential and lack of credible leadership,total lack of patriotism and sense of belonging,to mention just a few reasons,
the individual brilliance comes into play,when you know that there is no safety net,like is obtained in welfare oriented countries like the united kingdom,Sweden e.t.c
remember the popular saying, necessity is the mother of invention

why should they reveal themselves if they have chosen not to,not everyone likes courting attention in the public domain.

the pastor doesnt travel 365days in a year,also his travel schedule will in no way disturb these guy's business as its a matter of priort arrangements,how do charter services do it?same way they will as well

why should a private and classified document(to the owners anyway)be shown to the public,when they are not under any compulsion to do so?they are neither using public funds or church funds to purchase the jet .

a jet as collateral,is different from buying a kabukabu as collateral,if you buy the right jet with the right engine configurations e.t.c like the original article has expoused,you will secure a very good second hand value,besides i am sure you have heard of a "commercial mortgage"where a bank lends you money to buy a business premises.

maybe the details do not add up,because you have a pre concieved mindset of his guilt

so would you rather he gave the church funds away to prove they are frugal and not elitist?

buying a 4 billion private jet with church funds and 5 members of the reedemed church paying a downpayment on a jet to be used for business purposes and extending the "priviledge" to their general overseer to have free rides on it are two enormously different kettle of fish,and im sure the reason the man hasnt  responded to these issues is because of how preposterous it sounds to him

asha 80:
And what are these base instincts?

asha 80:
Nigerians individually are brilliant and can compete with any national but collectively we are dunces.It is the collective angle we have to find a way to deal with.

there u go,you have gone halfway in answering your own questions

its akunyili's fault again that the various vc s cant take care of their universities??
hope this rebranding exercise will not cause another thing, lol
@post
really sad,and wish the various vcs will just get off their collective backsides and take pro active actions to stem and eradicate this menance,the government provides them with funds and they have the tacit support of the police so they have no excuse,besides they have university security and intelligence which is really easy in infilltrating and arresting cult members on campus!!

and the drama,nollywood movie,soap opera continues,
we shall overcome