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Martian: "holy trinity" was tongue in cheek.
If you invoke "top atheists" as the opposite of your case against the scandalous preachers, you are elevating them to the position that christians put their leaders in.

Since the intent of the thread was to mock christianity (don't deny it), then your introduction of your outspoken atheists (who are just after a buck like everyone else) means that you consider them "leaders" of atheism and you "see them as a voice".

okay

davidylan: Actually it sounds hilarious to me... and since i am of the opinion that allah is nothing but a manufactured "god"... i could care less about the islamic hell.



I only post here largely in response to others besides you.

Lol.....such a troll. The very same argument that you use against Allah can be used against christianity, M0ron!

What can you say aganst Allah that cant be said against Yaweh?

ow11: The idea behind this thread is retarded. Hopefully, logicboy isn't retarded

Wow! such wisdom! Such an excellent reply to the topic at hand! What deep thought and insight!


(sarcasm off)

Delafruita: i keep getting that question.to answer your question,NO i am not a muslim

Some people were claiming such. I just had to get an answer

Martian: Who are the "Top Atheists"?
Are the "Top Atheists" your leaders?

Stop creating fallacies in your head about what I didn't say.

What did you mean then when you said holy trinity of atheist leaders?


As for top atheists, I was referring to the popular atheists. You are free to call them leaders but I dont see it as such. I see them as a voice or the most outspoken for atheism.


I am yet to even read Richard Dawkin's books

Are you a muslim?

Martian: But you implied the behavior of your "popular atheists" are unlike those of the christian leaders you are against, thereby elevating them to a position of leadership. That' why I called them your holy trinity.

Forget about the OP, the topic itself is foolish and needless because it can be refuted by saying exactly what Anony said about influential "atheist leaders" who happened to be communists and the actions they took. The introduction of your "popular atheists" shows that you consider them "influential atheist leaders" because they are the examples you're using for comparison.

Who are the "top atheists"?

Why do you believe the fallacy leadership is the exactly the same as divinity, holiness or worship of leaders?

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1 corinthians 14;34
women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says[/size]



Sexist bigotry

Delafruita: your mumuciousness is outstanding

Lmao.

Martian: Oh now, I have religious googles? lmao
Don't get mad because you have the "popular atheists" you can refer to and I called them your "holy trinity". You dropped their names as "epitomes of atheist virtue" after all.
Why can't you defend your atheism and behavior yourself and on your own merit? Do you have to refer to the "popular atheists"?

Well, if one of the "popular atheists" does something "dumbazz", will his behavior reflect on all unbelievers?
Are communist atheists' actions a reflection on all unbelievers?? You are just making Anony's arguments for him by going than the same line of name dropping.

Use some logic, boy!!!

Huh? Where i my thread or posts did I say that the actions of some religious leaders reflect on all believers? WHERE??!!!!

Reread the original post. Stop being foolish

Martian: So, those three are your "holy trinity"?? You are like one of those people who stopped being religious after reading "the god delusion"; then placed Dawkins on a pedestal.
SMH.

Dumbazz, they are popular atheists. Jeez. We dont worhsip them and they are not a holy trinity.


Remove your religious goggles and terminology wyhen talking about atheism. smh

[quote author=Mr_Anony]You realize that "always" is an absolute and all I have to do is provide one exception and your argument will be refuted
I'll give you a few: Kirk Cameron, Reinhard Bonkke, W.F. Kumuyi[/quote]Reinhard Bonkke is a liar- he claimed that a man was raised from the dead by his preaching;
http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/bonnke_raisedpastor.aspx

Kirk Cameron; "homosexuality is unnatural, detrimental and ultimately destructive to foundations of civilization". How is that possible? How can homosexuals destroy nations or civilization? Lies and bigotry.

Kumuyi; "DLBC's website maintains a set of "testimonials," from people, which claim supernatural healings that have occurred as a result of prayers being offered by Pastor Kumuyi. These claims include the reversal of paralysis, spontaneous growth of limbs, spontaneous disappearance of mental diseases, and other such testimonies". Lies, deceit.




[quote author=Mr_Anony]Criteria 1: Hypocrisy: It is impossible to have an atheist/theist hypocrite in the strict sense of the word. It is either you believe in God or you don't
Criteria 2: Bigotry: Richard Dawkins wrote a whole book calling theists deluded. For more atheist bigotry, check out the youtube channel of AmazingAtheist, Mao Zedong killed religious people because according to him "religion is poison"
Criteria 3: Theft: Bill Gates ripped off Steve Jobs' idea
Criteria 4: Abuse: Stalin, Chairman Mao

Are you happy now?[/quote]Criteria 1; You re foolish. Anybody can be a hypocrite. If anyone does a contrary action to what he says, he is a hypocrite. A pastor saying homosexuality is devilish while having gay sex is a hypocrite. If an atheist does the same, he is a hypocrite

Criteria 2; Please, put forward the Richard Dawkings quote. A factual statement is not bigotry. If I say that people who believe in flying into heaven are deluded , it is a factual statement. Can be seen as offensive but offensive is not the same as bigotry. I am offended that people say that religion should have a place in politics.

Furthermore; Mao Zedong and Stalin were communists. Communism is a state religion. Both Mao and Stalin have been dead before we were born.

Please give e the amazing atheists quote that you feel is bigotry. The Amazingatheist is also a professional ranter as he calls himself.


Criteria 3; That is slander and you would be in court if you said that in a newspaper. Stop lying about Bill Gatses and Steve Jobs.


Criteria 4; Communism is a state religion

buzugee: so this has been a lesson in how 50 percent of the bible should not be read literally.
what do you look at when you look up ? the heavens
who do people in the world look up to ? their leaders

biblical lingo for leaders is heavens
REL101

LMAO....if 50% of the bible should not be read literally, then why should it be a serious book? Half of it is fiction.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Here we go again. Typical of you to argue in brownian motion.

Let's stay on topic (please don't run away when I question you only to come back and comment on my answer to another person. That is cowardly)

Let us start from the topic of your thread:
How do you know for sure that they are ALWAYS scandalous?

You mentioned the following:


By what criteria are you judging them? And can the same criteria be applied when judging atheists/agnostics? Because this was your question



Note: I have never said don't judge anybody, All I have asked is that you name a common criteria from which we can proceed with judgment.[/quote]1) They are always scandalous because their scandals have been exposed to the public as they are public figures. Note that I am only talking about the most influential/top christian leaders. For instance, Creflo Dollar choked his daughter or Oyedepo slapped a young woman or the lies and bigotry from Pat Robertson.


2) What do you mean what criteria? Do you lack common sense? Hypocrisy, bigotry, theft and abuse. Do you see atheist Richard Dawkings calling a whole nation demonic (Pat Robertson claims Haiti did a deal with the devil and thats the reason for the earthquake). Do you see Sam Harris or Hitchens engaging in fraud?

davidylan: I would have to question the "intelligence" of that individual then... it is almost a universal conclusion here that you are quite clearly unintelligent.

Wow, so I am unintelligent, yet you can not hold yourself back from commentng on my threads. Are you a glutton for unintelligent stuff? Do you enjoy foolish threads?



Funny how a person who believes in fairytales can call himself intelligent

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Well, my friend, I do not see how my premise is wrong but then, If as you say the pastors do not have a code of conduct by which they are judged, then they cannot possibly fail or can they?

Te question was never about an atheist's conscience. There is no atheist/agnostic moral code of conduct that I know of and that we can hold atheists/agnostics accountable to.

Rising/falling: By nature of being a pastor, a person exposes himself criticism based on his stated beliefs i.e. the bible. An atheist isn't exposed in the same way because he doesn't have any beliefs.
All I am saying is that it is unreasonable to compare that pastors fail while atheists do not because they are not on the same playing field and what is a scandal for a pastor is usually not a scandal for an atheist.[/quote]This is why you are a christian. You have no appreciation for common sense and logic when it comes to religious matters. Athiest might not have beliefs but we as human beings have a sense of morality that all human beings have. Does morality come from your God or the Bible? Do I need the 10 commandments before i know not to kill and steal or to be a hypocrite. Your bible tells people to keep women silent in churches and slaves should obey masters.


The pastors are theieves and hypocrites. How does being an atheist stop me from judging hypocrites? Are you dense?

Tbaba is an apologist however, not a good one. I like the way the discussion is going. There is a reason why some muslims hardly venture out of their section.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Lol' you are funny, so it has now come to physical threats abi? It seems you just like to hear only what you want to hear (I know you understood me but chose to play dumb).

Well, if that is the case i.e. the criteria you are judging them by is the law (constitutional law) and human rights, please tell me then how these people you mentioned have broken the law (mind you according to the law, they are innocent until proven guilty). Let us view things from a strictly legal viewpoint.

Benny Hinn

Oyedepo

Creflo Dollar

Shockofgod

Okotie

Pat Robertson.[/quote]Guy, of course I am not going to slap you!


You are he one playing dumb. Did I not ask you if your argument was that I could not judge hypocrites because I am an atheist?


However, when I said human rights, I had pedophile priests and child slapping/abusing pastors.

As for the people yo mentioned all of them have been caught lying and behaving hypocritcal from tithe fraud to fake prophecies etc. Hypocrites they are

Ayomivic: Yes,something is wrong with the way you are reasoning.

You said you are a christian.If you are a christian then i will like to ask you few questions.Do you believe in existence of God and Satan? Do you believe in heaven and hell? If you don't believe in all these, my words will be useless but if you do believe,then i think i have something to offer.

Satan does not have power to command and control you any how, if you don't give him chance.Satan used to examine people and try to deceive them to disobey God by making them see things in different way to the way of God.If satan is able to confuse person ,he will entangle that person in a web of sins.If that happened,the person has become the sin's slave and it takes the Gnd's mercy to free such person, if it does not lead to his death.Let me show you one or two verses from bible to back my word.In book of Genesis when Satan wants to decieve Eve what did he do ?He shows her the beauty and pleasantness of the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.When Eve tried to complain that God say they would die if they eat that fruit, satan said no they would'nt die but their eyes would be opened and they would be like God.She ate and confused her husband to eat also,when they ate the fruit,true to satan's words their eyes were opened and they saw that they were nude.Through that ,they entered into problems.They lost their home,sufèrness and hardship entered into their lives and these affect their children- children till today.What they thought it would be helpful became sorrowful.

Another example is that of Jesus.Remember what Satan did to Jesus. He tempted Jesus and out of these temptations i wil speak about one.Satan took Jesus to the high montain and shew him the kingdom of the world and their glory and told Jesus that,he will give Jesus all those things he sees, if Jesus would fall down and worship him but Jesus rejected him and his offer.What do you think will happen if Jesus should accept Satan's offer?

Are you sure that your reasoning and desire for riches is not temptation from Satan ?Pls, examine yourself very well.

I have never seen verse of Bible that encourage laziness.The bible even said that the hands that do not work surpose not to eat.He also said we should do very well any work we can lay on our hands.To succeed in ones business is not a sin,to get riches is not sin but one must be careful of the way in which that riches comes.If you are not careful or take heed and you partner with Satan to get rich ,it may lead to doom.

that is my advice for you.There are wisdom in the words of God. I know there are many atheists in the house to confuse you,the choice is yours.May God help you.

Sharap there!

Fake evangelist!

[quote author=tpia@]i dont know what kind of mad schizophrenics roam on this nl.

google is your friend- only an absolute monkey born of a pig for a mother would spend time whining over a picture that has nothing to do with your bloody useless lives, you lowlife b.astards.


[size=20pt]the picture is fake[/size] - deal with it.


and what exactly is your gain from your ganja soaked protestations in defence of it?

are you and your entire lineages, mad?

even if you're being paid to defend and post the picture- may the money perish with you![/quote]See madness! Weere nie! slowpoke!

The Pulitzer Award winning picture is fake? LMAO......This one don pass my hand!!


Madness upon madness! What next? Water is not wet?

leaveme: You even condemned yourself, 'ode' means fool

LMAO......I am not bound by the bible, I am not a christian.


However, you are. Hypocirte

[quote author=Mr_Anony]That is not my argument. My argument is that it is unreasonable to judge two people based on totally different criteria.[/quote]Huh? What the hell are you talking about? The pastors are all under the laws of the land and there is also human rights.


Your argument is stupid. I have every right to judge the pastors, they are not above the law or human rights.

What different criteria are you talking about? Pastors commit tithe fraud, paedophilia, extra marital affairs etc in hypocrisy and you have the nerve to tell me that I dont have morals to judge them? Are you sick? We dont live far from each other, dont let me drive down and slap you.

fumisko: Where is your proof that there is no God? Evil in the world? He faced same persecutions and so did his disciples. He also never said there would be no hard times but he said he would be with us? What if there is God? Ask yourself too not just what if there is no God.

Hi (this is logicboy's other account)


You dont prove a negative.



Does God sit down and watch things like this happen?




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noetic16: Thanks, you just made my day


really? is evolution scientific? and what is the credible evidence that supports the first chemical reactions proposed in the evolution theory. You are more stupid than ignorant.

Evolution is not scientific? Lmao!!!

Evolution is a scientific theory! Have you heard of transitional fossils?


Ignorant creationist alert!!!



https://markpknowles.com/wp-content/uploads/creationism1.jpg

fumisko: Ok I would ask you a question. Am not trying to prove God exist its just a neutral one and think over it. These are two scenes. If God exist there is heaven and hell and if he doesn't there is none.
Ok so if there is God, you will live with his rules on earth which equals morally right life e.g do not cheat, fornicate etc which are good stuffs to do even for the atheist. And if one dies and there is God you make heaven. If no God, you lived well on earth then. Either ways you have nothing to loose.

Now, there is no God. You live good or bad. But most times the live bad. Refuse to accept God etc. assume this person dies and there is no God.good for him. But what if there is God then it's he'll straight. So he would loose if there is a God
Remember the atheist are not sure about God. The say what if there is no God. But I ask differently what if there is God? What happens to them then?

Please read about the failure of Pascal's wager;

http://riatheist.com/blog/2011/10/03/pascals-wager-debunked/

Jenwitemi: Why? To get people's attention, of course. They need to keep the followers engaged and interested. What lies in the bible is getting less and less relevant in today's world.It is no longer enough to keep the interest, thus the scandals. Entertainment to the core.

LMAO

fumisko: It's best to watch what you say about men of God? Who,are you to judge? You have sometin wrong with them? Shut up or pray for them. May you not receive the wrath of God o. You would even forget it was your careless words here today that's causing whatever it can be. Refuse to annoy God.

Seems you havent met an atheist. I dont believe in God.


A pastor that is a scammer does not need prayer, he needs a prison sentence

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Good, now the pastors you mentioned have a written moral code which they have failed. The atheist doesn't have such a moral code.

So I ask: Is it reasonable to compare an atheist who isn't bound by any moral code and hence cannot possibly fail to an inexistent moral code to a pastor who defaulted his moral code?
I'll let you be the judge of that.[/quote]I have no right to judge a hypocrite or a fraud or a pedophile because I a an atheist? Is that your argument?

fumisko: Because the church of God which include men of God must suffer persecution for Christ sake in the end t

Not because some are peadophiles, tithe frauds and liars?


Get the F**K out of here!

Deep Sight: daft

Lazy.

Is that all you can say?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]............bla bla bla bla, just answer the simple question. What is the moral code of atheism?[/quote]There is no written down morals. All humans have a sense of ethics and morality. Atheists weight the pros and cons of their actions.

Can I use the bible to legislate on internet downloads? No. The bible is not a guide to morality. A bible that asks us to keep women silent in churches and slaves to obey their masters!