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InesQor: Does this response of yours assume that God does magic, and does not work through science?

Look all around you at the wonders of science. If we assume (I know you're atheist, so just assume) that God created it all, then why should we NOT see that God can destroy a city by sending hail and fire, in a SCIENTIFICALLY explainable way?

As I said before,let's be objective in our criticism please.

lol....God does magic if in the old testament, he created Adam or he helped make the sun stand still! Or the fact that Jesus healed without medicine.

Why? Why are the most popular pastors, priests, popes, internet evangelists always guilty of one scandal or the other?


Benny Hinn

Oyedepo

Creflo Dollar

Shockofgod

Okotie

Pat Robertson


etc.



Why are these guys always failing under scrutiny? Why? It seems that every big pastor on TV fails when they come under scrutiny. Why?

Why doesnt this happen to top atheists or agnostics?

InesQor: @MacDaddy01

Even if they didn't know what a meteor is, they could see "stars" falling from heaven.

"Fire" reportedly fell from heaven many times in the Old Testament, in some cases burning up entire cities (e.g. Sodom and Gomorrah). The prophet did not KNOW what a meteor or asteroid is, but he SURELY could describe what he saw.

We should try to be objective in our criticism.

lol....so God did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah., it was a scientifically explainable meteor that destroyed the city?

over a 1000 years ago, the bible wouldnt be interpreted like this. People didnt know what a galaxy is or what a meteor is.


Funny how the word of God which is perfect keeps changing every few hundred years

firebrand: This is referring to the galaxy, the host are the powers and principalities. This would take place prior to the arrival of the new earth and the new heaven. Dont forget that everything we see today would be consumed by fire before the new Jerusalem would descend from God.

firebrand: This is referring to the galaxy, the host are the powers and principalities. This would take place prior to the arrival of the new earth and the new heaven. Dont forget that everything we see today would be consumed by fire before the new Jerusalem would descend from God.

firebrand: This is referring to the galaxy, the host are the powers and principalities. This would take place prior to the arrival of the new earth and the new heaven. Dont forget that everything we see today would be consumed by fire before the new Jerusalem would descend from God.

firebrand: This is referring to the galaxy, the host are the powers and principalities. This would take place prior to the arrival of the new earth and the new heaven. Dont forget that everything we see today would be consumed by fire before the new Jerusalem would descend from God.

There are moderate muslims that will explain their religion for you truthfully. However, Tbaba is a moderate apologist.


This is waht you expect from peeps like Tbaba;



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKv9vbJvGkg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKv9vbJvGkg

noetic16: I simply exposed your folly. The person received the monetary gift without any hesitation, hence, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. is this rocket science?

really


This is the height ignorance and a lack of basic education. How can u open your mouth to say the above? The fact that you dont subscribe to creationism or intelligent design does not in any way make them less credible.

I laugh in french

After being exposed for ignorance on slf-fulfilling prophecies, you are now trying to say that you exposed me? LMAO. Self-fulfilling prophecies first came as a sociological term to describe an aspect of human behaviour. It is not spiritual.


As for creationism, it is not scientific and has no evidence.

tbaba1234: ^You just go around saying nonsense; your case is a sad one...

You just have to look at the comments here that are exposing your lies. Dont attack me, address the people questioning your comments

noetic16: Quite Idiotic. Instead of going on in circles, perhaps a little bit of education on the ability of humans would help. In your example above, have you considered the possibility that the person you told the prophecy might simply receive a buoyant financial from another person that makes them rich and fulfil the prophecy. Are you so STUPID, you never thought of the passive possibility of dreams coming to fulfilment without human efforts?

In trying to illogically debunk me, you debunk yourself. You do not know what a self fulfilling prophecy is. The terms of the prophecy must be related to the fulfilling action. If in my example, the prophecy came to pass because someone else gave the guy money, as you said, then it is not a self fulfilling prophecy.

noetic16: Says who? Idiot. How can the memory create a future? who taught you science?

Who said that memory creates future? What I said was that de ja vu is memory based. The explanation; you experience de ja vu because you have a memory of experiencing a situation in the past.

noetic16: This is quite SILLY. What is your explanation for the origin of life? That you dont know or accept it or does not dismiss the possibility of God creating it.

There is no evidence for God. No one knows the full picture of the origin of life. Anyone who claims to know is a liar. Anyone who claims to know that God did it is a liar or deluded. There is no evidence for God. None. That is why it is called "faith". Belief without evidence.

noetic16: really?

[quote author=tpia@]The picture is fake and i believe the photographer apologized for presenting it that way, although i'm not sure.[/quote]Shameless pig. The photo is real. even when you have been debunked, you still keep
to your lies!

[quote author=Mr_Anony]In other words, you really don't know


I am sure you do realize that your link is by no means a comprehensive list.[/quote]The list is for famous people who have converted from agnosticism or atheism to christainity. It can never be exhaustive but it will always be a shorter list than those converting to atheism because atheism is growing in the West

[quote author=Mr_Anony]In other words, you really don't know


I am sure you do realize that your link is by no means a comprehensive list.[/quote]I know. I have friends that are christians for only politcal reasons and I have looked at the stories of some pf the atheists converts, either they have religious families or just relate to a specific "wonder moment" that change them.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/22/prominent-atheist-blogger-converts-to-catholicism/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam
http://www.heretication.info/_atheists.html



I dont make declarations out of a vacuum. I read a lot ant explain the facts

LagosShia: ^

you like talking nonsense in everything thread and even make lies.you're best ignored.

Truth is bitter?

Very few atheists/agnostics really convert

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_atheists_and_agnostics

[quote author=Mr_Anony]............and you know these for sure because......??[/quote]An educated guess?

maclatunji: @bolded YES! YES!! YES!!!

And how is that possible? A man that has slept with 4 women is more chaste than a virgin?


I would like to know?

[quote author=Mr_Anony]............and what about atheists who convert to religion?[/quote]There are very few atheists that do that. But here are the reasons;


1) They are lying to get political or social favours.......christattheists!

2) They were born into atheist/agnostic households who didnt explain what religion is and its problems.

3) They were moved by a shocking moment eg a false miracle, self-fulfilling prophecy or death etc

noetic16: You shot yourself in the foot. If a dream is a self-fulfilling prophecy does that not connote spiritualism or a realm outside of the material? For a fact we know that the brain is incapable of graphically describing future events as done in dreams. Hence, meaningfully-prophesying dreams are from a different realm.

Dumbazz, do you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is? There is nothing spiritual about it. It just means that it is a prophecy that comes true only because one acted on it. Self-fulfilling prophecies can be avoided. You are really ignorant. If I tell someone that he will be rich and he believes this and he works hard to be rich, that is a self-fulfilling prophecy. He could have been poor by not doing anything

noetic16: Whats your point? Do you actually know what Deja vu means?

De ja vu is memory based. Nothing spiritual. If there are drugs that can increase chances of experiencing de ja vu, it is not spiritual.

noetic16: Evolution does not explain the origin of life. What are the components of the first chemical reaction as claimed by evolution? What are the chemical components of the big-bang? Perhaps you refer to biogenesis, even that does a very bad job at explaining the origin of life.

I already said that evolution does not explain how the first organisms came. Just because we dont fully know everything about the origin of life deosnt meant that we should attribute it to God. If scientists thought like this, we would still be believing that the sun moves around the earth from the bible.

noetic16: 4. Your assertion assumes that there was a point in time where NOTHING existed. What is the basis of this assumption?

Big Bang?

Deep Sight: Fair enough request.

manmustwac: Don't really understand why you were banned because many people are fuilty of the same crime that u have been banned for. Seun will read your posts but I doubt if he will ever reply. Try a different strategy. Email Seun or leave a message on his facebook

Wish u all the best & sincerely hope to see logicboy01 soon.

While I am tempted to bash Seun, I understand that this website is his business. Therefore, he is put in a position where majority of his customers, who are religious, will want him to apply their religious double standards in the form of blasphemy law enforcement. What I want from Seun, is to not give in to their double standards and try to calm them down with logical replies rather than banning their enemies (unbelievers)

Lol...at the beginning when I was saying not to trust Tbaba, it was like I was hating. The truth eventually comes out.

davidylan: You're either a deliberately dishonest person or you truly are blind. Read his comment again...



on what basis does he claim that both himself and yourself are "deep thinkers"? Seriously... for all the drama i give mazaje and thehomer... those two sometimes pose intelligent questions that set me thinking... you on the other hand are nothing but an excellent troll.

Why is your opinion any more valid than others? Someone read logicboy's articles and found them intelligent. Keep hating and trolling

musKeeto: I do not completely agree with you @MacDaddy :-), especially that picture.

I think it should be one can be good without religion.
Just my thoughts.

It's logicboy (macdaddy is my other account)

[quote author=tpia@]I think that picture was proven to be fake, or something like that.


I'm surprised people are still using it.[/quote]The picture is real. Religion brainwashes people to be ignorant and heartless. Christians like you leave everything tho God rather than helping your fellow man or reading yourself. Take time to research things and not spout ignorant tripe. the photo is real.

http://africanhistory.about.com/b/2006/04/12/the-journalist-the-vulture-and-the-child.htm

[img]http://iconicphotos.files./2009/08/kevin-carter-vulture.jpg?w=700&h=466[/img]

I also lost my faith in christianity, God and the bible. But this was 2 years ago for different reasons.

Religion brainwashes people. This is why Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the people". If you learn how christianity and islam came to Nigeria, you will be turned off. They both came through slavery and colonization. Arabs first came from the North to take slaves and made many of them Eunuchs and forced Islam on them. The Europeans came and took slabes while the British colonized us, gave us English and christianity. Religion has brainwashed us to call 2 foriegn religions our own while saying that people who do not believe are devils. Many Nigerians are brainwashed to give tithes to pastors who use the money to buy private jets instead of using the money to help the poor. Some pastors build schools that majority of the church can not afford to send their children to. Fake miracles are staged for people to believe that pastors are supernatural.



Even reading the bible will turn you off. Many christians dont read the bible. The bible tells slaves to obey their masters (colossians 3;22), tells women to be silent in church (1 corinthians 4;34) etc. Even Jesus does somethings wrong by telling people to leave their families and money to follow him in the way of the lord. Does he want people to abandon responsibilities?



For me, youdo not need the bible or religion to be good to the rest of humanity. You dont need the bible to be hardworking.

https://humourtouch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Good-without-God.png