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Ihuomadinihu:
What is Abraham's dna,lol? What is Aaron's dna? Lol. Abraham's Ur precedes Arabs.

Lmao DNA DNA DNA

I am not talking about timeline, I am talking about origin from the same region

Ihuomadinihu:
So that they will tell you of a foreigner that fell from the Sky? We are looking at how gene similarity represent a common ancestor. You can read up works of established African historians like Clyde Winters and Diop Cheik.

are any of them Africans who lived in Africa and went round African savannahs interviewing Kings, priests and commoners alike? If not their work is not reliable

Ihuomadinihu:
Lol! And you only quote my views. What historical account? The one that fell from the sky? People are dealing on genetics and culture not ancient fables. Pls get away. Am sure you are wiser than people that have studied Africans.

This is why you need to ask them in your village if it's true Eri came from the sky as some websites propagate or he came from Igala as books on Igbo history claim or he came from Israel as you claim
Don't trust website over the word of your ancestors as passed down through generations
Before internet there was the brain and the ability of memory and speech

But I don't know if the Eze nri can say on public television that odinani and judaism are the same (I watched it, with an Igbo interpreting what he was saying)

No scientist knows my DNA better than my ancestors and if they say am not Hebrew then am not Hebrew

How am I even sure such DNA research was done? U haven't provided the research institute and the geneticists that carried out the assignment like plaetton requested

Ihuomadinihu:
I agree to some extent. That's why i said Proto Igbos are older than modern jews. But you are not totally right. There are genes that have evolved outside of Africa and back tracked to the continent. That's why Hausa,Chad etc have a relative measure of non- Africa genes. On the other hand,some African derived genes are found in non negriod people.

Lmao obviously proto-Igbo are older than jews even Igbo(not proto this time) are older than Jews

Such back tracking genes are berbers certainly not Pure Negro-congoid like Igbo and Yoruba

every human being has an African derived gene, it's simple biology

k2kay:
Am just saying there is possibly an element of truth to these things, there was longevity before the flood, the sumerian king list had eight kings before the flood, in the bible it was eight generations before the flood. After the flood, there was an apparent decrease in the longevity in the king list which tallies with the bible as well.. just cos some things are too good to be true doesn't mean it should be dismissed outright.

I know Semitic traditions state that people lived longer before the legendary flood

How would this relate to Aguleri having 34ezes in 3000years
It's not too good to be true..it's actually too disgusting and moronic to be true

Ihuomadinihu:
How did you know that ancient Ur is arabic? Arabs only entered Mesopotamia in the 7th century.

There's still more genetic connection between Abraham and Arabs than Eri and Hebrews

Abraham being from Ur was a Semite, same as Arabs who came from the same region in large numbers

bdidi:
Must you be this racial in your comments? Very unfortunate!

Here is an intellectual discourse and here you are making a racist comment.

Is there anything wrong in mentioning Yoruba people in the annals of history?

I repeat very unfortunate!

I can feel your next line of comment!

Intellectual discourse?? Calling Yoruba Hebrews without a single evidence or logic to it, is intellectual where you come from?

anyway I made no racist comment, I am probably the least racist person you can hope to know

Oh pls mention Yoruba as much as you like but not to insult my ancestors by calling them Hebrews...that's like saying we Yoruba don't know our origins and where we come from

Ihuomadinihu:
The simple biology here is not about what you think. You might want to open up your eyes and read! Nobody is claiming that Igbos are Jews apart from one or two people here. The simple biology is that the ancestors of Igbos share their dna with ancestors of jews! Pls read my earlier posts.

Ancestors of Igbos share DNA with ancestors of Koreans and anybody you can think of, because all humans share DNA ancestry..such that the modern Negro...particularly the Khoisan have retained most of it
Negros didn't collect DNA from non-Negros
It's caucasians who should be looking to us for history and DNA ancestry

LAX89:
Btw, I'm not in anyway propagating any affinity between Igbos and Jews, I could care less. But I'm a student of history, so I'll let science/ archaeologists determine what the facts are. And, France did NOT help in a selfless proactive sense. France was looking for more supportive colonies in West Africa, and they still do now. If they had seriously and proactively helped Biafra, Nigeria would've had a different Map today. Don't forget, France had substantial global power and dominance at the time. France supported the idea of an independent Biafra that was sympathetic to their world view at the time, and they hoped it would work, but they never directly and forcefully assisted Biafra, they ideologically assisted through Ivory Coast, hence Ojukwu ended up in Ivory Coast.

didnt u post that Israel supporting Biafra suggests a connection??

Ihuomadinihu:
I don't like and apperciate the tribalistic undertone in this thread. I've observed that whenever the black man wants to trace his lineage and heritage,white people would castigate him. In the same vein, whenever the Igbos try to do so,other groups make shady and rubbish remarks!
All sorts of people in the world trace their source of origin,why is this an evil thing to do in Nigeria. That's why white people will keep dominating the world!

You seek your origin in the wrong place
What happened to going to your village and seeking knowledge from elders?

you look to Hebrews and u say you are studying Igbo history..

Ihuomadinihu:
I love how am teaching Y'all. Why not cool down and study the Eurasian gene in Fulani and by extention in Yoruba. The Eurasian stuff was also found in Mandeka. Y'all should stop quoting me out of ignorance.

And how many fulani living in West Africa have had direct contact with Eurasia? Fulaman - a very cultural fulani man would disagree with you heavily
all those messed up sites u get this from are certainly playing you
Be very careful, African history is beautiful on its own, this ur inferiority complex is irritating
all this internet links u see need to be heavily scrutinised
That's how they try to caucasianise fulani and the Mali empire

A Negro people like Yoruba and Mandika cannot have a non-Negro gene type. It's simple biology
Our genetical make up cannot be found from Eurasia rather Eurasians would look to us Negro for the origin of their genes

chuna1985:
You forgot one striking evidence linking igbos n Hebrews, Circumscision.

Igbos circumsized all Igbo males @ a tender age long before the coming of the white man and Christianity

Circumcision is in fact not taken to high regard as so many other rituals done for babies around Africa not just Igbo
Btw circumcision isn't a covenant act, and correct me if am wrong but certain Igbo clans practice circumcision on girls

Ihuomadinihu:
If you want to deceive a Black man,then hide it in a book. It's very easy to write off this topic,but have you studied our genetics....that people that populate Modern Israel have same genes with people of tropical Africa not just igbos?

If u mean the "genetics" that tell u Yoruba have fulani blood you must be joking

mcchaka:
Op when i read thru ur post i smiled becos not everyone will believe this story, many guys are going to make mockery of it becos they ve not been told either in school or in church...BUT IT'S THE TRUTH....

Ok can you prove it's the truth by providing the requested here
1. Show the linguistic similarities of
Igbo and Any Semitic language
2. Similarities between Odinani and
Judaism or Yahwism
3. Cultural similarities unique to Igbos and Hebrews
4. Historical records kept by Igbo
talking about Hebrews
5. Hebrew alphabet in
igboland

omototiadewa:
Why is your body always hot? Too aggressive, if I were looking for yoruba history sure I know where to get it neither did I ask you for one. Well since you prefer to diverge, let it be.

maybe I am, it's expected you can't come here insulting Yorubas by calling us descendants of Hebrews and expect me to see you as a someone I can share a cup of coffee with

I asked you 5 questions, can you at least provide answers to one?

Here they are again..

1. Show the linguistic similarities of Yoruba/
Igbo and Any Semitic language
2. Similarities between Isese/Odinani and
Judaism or Yahwism
3. Cultural similarities
4. Historical records kept by Igbo and Yoruba
talking about Hebrews
5. Hebrew alphabet in Yorubaland or
igboland

OkikiOluwa1:
Its like some Ibo people feel elated when they are associated with him he Jews...
As if theirs money attached to it.

It's called inferiority complex.. it's the fault of the emotional attachments they have developed for Jewish ancestors in the Bible

Blame christianity

Ihuomadinihu:
Sorry,what is this about? Can you settle your issues with Bigfrancis in another thread.
Hausa cannot be used in this study cos they are Afroasiatic blacks. Yoruba,Efik,Annang,Akan,Igbo,down to Cameroon and Gabon have similar derived ancestry and genes hence the comparison. The Eurasian genes in Yoruba might be traced to Fulanis and their history in the Yoruba kingdoms.

Afro-asiatic is just a language group.
And there's nothing fulani in Yoruba, or Eurasian in Fulani...unless people consider berbers as Eurasians now but that would only be relevant if you are of the thought that Fulani have some berber ancestry
Ur sources must be wrong

SurePresident:
www.en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oyo_Empire
www.ihuanedo.ning.com/m/discussion?id=2971192%3ATopic%3A11921
FACTS and FIGURES:
afonja sowed disunity that later led to the fall of the Empire and eventually civil wars among Yoruba. The sown ote ati tembelekun is the only problem of Yorubas now. We shall rule and dominate Africa again, once we destroy this disunity. Oyo Empire is the largest and longest African Empire so far, between 14th to 18th Century. Oyo as the center was only interrupted by sudden unexpected attack sometime around
1535, by the Nupe who then occupied it. However, after a short while, the ever resilient Yorubas Army destroyed them and took their reminants as perpetual slaves till European slave trade started. This served as an eye opener and made Oyo Empire to prepare a mighty military base that started waging wars on all fronts, conquering and taking territories towards the South, Badagry, Dahomey, Togo, etc. Also, taking massive territories up to fuga, Ibilo towards the East during which many more igbo slaves were taken. Also, towards the North, Kwara, Kogi etc. This explains why Yoruba was imposed as the lingual franca of this places, even currently today. They still speak Yoruba in Benin Republic, Togo and other captured areas that have now become independent countries of their own.
Even though Oyo empire did not really capture Benin City, by16th century, the Ewe and Aja states of modern Benin City were paying tribute to Oyo.
Yoruba Unity once put us on top of Africa till the useless son of Judas called afonja betrayed the African greatest Empire that had thousands of Hausa slaves, igbo slaves and slaves from other part of Africa.
Some senseless writers try so hard to downplay the fact that the colossal thousands of Fulani jihadist warriors waging war from Ilorin met their bloody catastrophic Waterloo in a bitter war fought with the great and formidable Yoruba Army at Offa, just before Oshogbo in 1837. The Yoruba Army actually chased the few reminants back to Ilorin with intension to annihilate them but lo, Ilorin had already become much of Yoruba/Hausa/Fulani mixture. Overrunning them, we would have killed too much of our own. Coupled with the fact that the Hausa/Fulanis apologised and sued for peace with a signed treaty never to pass their boundary again, the Yoruba Army returned to Oyo. was the very last time that the They hard the intension of over tuning Yoruba land and islamizing the entire empire.
Yoruba forces, in line with defence arrangement perfected by Yoruba leaders led by Alaafin Atiba, at the new capital,
Agodoyo around 1837.
Some of the classical literatures on Yoruba history related
to the above topic include Iwe Itan Ibadan (History of
Ibadan) by Isaac B. Akinyele (1911), History of the Yorubas
by Samuel Johnson (1921), Iwe Itan Ogbomoso (History of
Ogbomoso) by N.D. Oyerinde (1934), etc. These are some
of the classical works by academic and non academic historians.

Why do you people come up with all this nonsense?

Oyo wasn't the largest or longest running empire
Wiki says Ghana empire was 300-1200

And in size, Mali, Kanem-bornu and Songhai were larger than Oyo

I stopped reading when you said Ewe and Aja are in Benin city...that just made me laugh seriously
Here read this it's a starter
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewe_people
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aja_people

Bimpe29:
It is crystal clear that your so called historical facts are not only false, but unfounded. History may be misrepresented, but can not be distorted as you've done. When going down memory lane, adequate & objective research can not be left out. Hence, d the needful and stop spreading the falsehood.

Can you point out the falsehoods? The OP still remains the best piece on ilorin on nairaland

NigerMan1:
macof - sorry bro. Yoruba is giving who headache?
That's way above the topic here. Why must you claim the ancestral lineage of another tribe?

The issue here you responded is about Itsekiri - not Yoruba.

Itsekiris are ancestrally Benin - the language, culture, kingship etc are Benin formation.

You talked about Ijebu as if Ijebu were ever a force to reckon with in the olden days? The land known today as Itsekiri was a mixture of different migrants and Benin slaves: Ijebus, Igalas etc.

That's why they have mixed languages developed over the years including a bit of Yoruba. However over 80% of Itsekiri linguistic is Benin.

says the man who calls the father of his King a myth

Your problem is to diminish the Yoruba, I appreciate your effort, cus if you didn't see glory in Yorubas there won't be anything to try to beat down
It's a compliment you honour me really

...
True the royal lineage is Bini origin..the people are of Ijebu and received later Igala settlers
That's why you have Ijekiri - Ije kiri - Voyage of wandering about
Like Ijebu - Ije bu - voyage of the deep

Itsekiri ancestors were wandering Ijebu seafarers

stop your bigotry. Even the Itsekiri are now coming out to embrace their Yoruba blood

MrPresident1:
Read Prof's quote. If not for the British, you ekiti slave would not be stalking me about on Nairaland.

Is Ekiti Oduduwa?

how does his quote agree with u? you deranged people can't have common sense even if you tried

British created nairaland?

that question is so dumb it's like asking "did your father give birth to you"

soldierdollar:
Eewww! God when will you remove hatred from our hearts ?
When shall Igbos and Yoruba dine without suspicion ?
When shall we see ourselves as friends not enemies.

In south Africa, whites discriminate against blacks .
In Nigeria, blacks discriminate against blacks .
This hatred has no substance

Am sorry there was no hate in my comment.. U probably misquoted

k2kay:
If u think it's strange, try the sumerian king list where eight kings ruled for 241,200 years...still puzzles historians till date.

Why Sumeria?? A civilization that was lost before people knew about it and started studying it's remains?
We can assume the list is incomplete or inaccurate

But am curious you think Aguleri had only 34ezes in 3000 years?

omonnakoda:
Ethnic homogeneity comes about by taking over small tribes deleting their history ,rewriting it and then coalescing it into a new whole.

It's happening in the North
Smaller ethnicities are being taken over by Hausa language
That's why the North is more firm and united

The middle belt is in trouble, but whether they like it or not their language and culture isn't as strong as the big guns like Hausa, so it's likely small groups get taken over and assimilated into the larger body but rewriting their history is not an issue, it would likely be about forgetting their earlier history without need to rewrite..that's how civilizations and nations are made not by merging people forcefully
Nigeria is a mess because there's no dominant culture, language and no common historically ties

Demmzy15:
Shitta Bey's father was a freed slave, a yoruba scholar. Even when they moved to badagry, he was the Islamic head. Please visit the link I provided, it's reliable. Islam in yorubaland is more than 500years!

I guessed as much...his name is just to unyoruba for such an early time
I read your link and it agrees with me

point is Solagberu lived before Shitta Bey, and Before Solagberu no free Yoruba is known as a Muslim
There were mosques erected as early as 1550AD in Oyo-ile for muslims from other parts of west Africa who settled for purpose of trade and preaching, also foreign slaves joined in Islamic activities but a Yoruba had no part in that until much later
According to Alaafin, Sango read the Koran a couple of times during his stay at Nupeland

pazienza:
No. But Germany is a German only country, same with Korea( both North and South) and Japan. They are monoethnic. Wouldn't it be nice for Yorubas to have a Yoruba only country?

Sure! That's what Africa needs - nations built on ethnic homogeneity
Away with all these European abominations

Demmzy15:
We've had Yorubas Muslims many years before the birth of Uthman bin Foodee(Dan Fodio). Muhammad Shitta Bey who is a rich man was born in 1824, some years after the Fulani Jihad started. His father was a Muslim yoruba scholar. Bey built mosques in Lagos and other towns.

http://yorupedia.com/subjects/yoruba-religion/islam/

Solagberu was certainly an older Muslim than Muhammad Shitta Bey, besides Muhammad's father was probably a slave

NigerMan1:
pazienza - you are LIAR. And a big one too. Listen to me very carefully; ITSEKIRIS are not Yoruba speaking people. If you do not know the history of the Itsekiris, kindly go do intense research and read widely how a nation, town and people in a place become known as 'same tribe' in modern day.

Even you Yorubas of today DID NOT originate from same place, same time, same ancestry. The word "Yoruba" was used to describe you and bring you under same influence is more political than traditional and culture.

Most of you in Yoruba land easily get hoodwinked with lies and fables your elder are weaving about other tribes, because it make you feel 'superior'.

Lmao won ti gbe tuntun de
Itsekiri are Yoruba speakers, I can relate with the language
They have linguistic and ancestral ties with Ijebu

A non-Yoruba teaching us our history..ok go on...write a book while you at it
I don't know why Yoruba keep giving you people headache..all u bigots

Fulaman198:
These forums has a tendency to hate on Fulani people

Not just fulani, every ethnicity is hated on this forum by bigots

Dragonking:
Macof, macof, macof!!! I have tried not to use insultive words for sometime and if you provoke me, I bet you won't be able to stand the heat..If you use insultive words again towards me, I will ensure that anywhere you post in any thread we will carry the use of abusive words there until a mod will ban both of us from NL. be warned!!

Next time pass your message in a reasonable manner.

You deserve the insult for being a nuisance..you are exactly what I called you - a moronic bigot that doesn't want to see beyond his bigotry
even the link you've been peddling didn't say fulani conquered ilorin
So where do u get ur nonsense from?

Don't bother threatening me, refraining yourself from bigotry will do just fine

Dragonking:
Fulani slaves?? hahaha..Abeg read this: http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=10472 clearly a different story from what the op posted..

The fulanis has taken over Ilorin and kwara and no matter how hard the Yoruba's fight to get it back, they won't agree.

You moronic bigot
Your link doesn't agree with what you said neither is it contradictory to the OP.

no sane man would say fulani took over ilorin, it was a religious battle in ilorin not fulani coming from the north to take over like you think
I can't even be wasting my time coaching a bigot who obviously has no sense
get don't sense, maybe read that link properly

Fulaman198:
Lots of Fulani haters in this thread, it's to be expected

How is it to be expected? I don't understand