₦airaland Forum

jnrbayano:
I am not sure you read the Op painstakingly. Pls do me that favour.

well u are right but i dnt believe the op. i dnt believe anything from Christians

jnrbayano:
"Osu" is as you have read. It's a terrible practice.

is dat so? tell me abt it

I don't believe all this about the Osufrom Christian sources. I've read from some typical traditional Igbo sources and they speak of Osu as sacred, respected temple attendants

fuckerholic:
Wetin dey worry you na ?

Can't you see the stupidity in that part of the OP?
What does he mean by "Yoruba before christianity were fetish" and "now we have seen the light"
This is purely a means to insult the Yoruba people

They will still say GEJ is not working
Ask them what Buhari did in 1985 they will be silent

op: " Yoruba People are too fetish
I may be tempted to agree with you,
because of what we Yoruba people
portray of ourselves in our local movies.
To be more factual before the advent of
Christianity, Yoruba tribe worshiped
deities, but guess what almost all tribe in
Nigeria also did before the introduction
of religion, but now we know the light not
all Yoruba people are fetish."

Rubbish both christianity and Isese are fetish. Why does it seem like Nigerians lack understanding of the word "Fetish"

And you say you have seen the light, such rubbish talk. So it's the isese people who are in darkness.
Bunch of slave minded people

Btw Yoruba is not a tribe but an over 35million population ethnic nation

FOLYKAZE:
Oga, I have a colleague at work here that bears Adetula. . .he never for once interprete the la in his name as success but save.

Gbamila is a common name among the Yoruba people. It is mostly called Adegbamila. it also mean save.

La mean lot of thing when applied to different context. What is adamancy here when I agree that la could mean Success as Orunmila is concern? Must you just have to throw insult around or resort to name-calling when we dont agree on things?

Orunmila is also known or called Orunla. What is the la in Orunla? Is it the samething as success or wealth?

These are the question you should ask.


I quickly asked a priest in the hood and he told me something deifferent yesternight. He said Orunmila when splitted is 'Orun-mo-oola' meaning the spiritual realm knows tomorrow. Can you now see that this is entirely different from success or wealth?

Orun-mo-oola gives more insight to Eleri-Ipin. The fulfilment of Ipin lies in tomorrow. Ipin has nothing to do with success or failure. What ever one choose lies in future.

And what makes you think everyone knows the meaning of their name? I have not always known the meaning of my name either.

name calling? e gba mi ke, which one is name calling? Oga abeg park well

Am done with this Orunmila translation anyway, best u stick to whatever suits you

Am nt angry. You just don't know how dumb you've been throughout the course of this thread and it's actually very hilarious

Justify my ancestor's activities to you when you have no knowledge of their activities? You know absolutely nothing about African religions, I asked you to tell me what you know but you are yet to say a thing, obviously because you are a total ignoramus on the matter and have no right to have an opinion
An intelligent Person will not even attempt a comment on an issue he knows nothing about

Oh pls shut up. You have made absolutely no sense

FOLYKAZE:
Even though I agree wirh 9jacrip that ala is white clothes and also mean purity and boundary, there is no way you can force me to hold onto one application of a common used Yoruba word.

La like you pointed out is wealth.

What is la in Adetula? Is it success too?

What is the la in Gbamila, is it success too?

what do you mean by forcing you to take one application? Languages are built on logic and have a set rule
are you the father of Yoruba language? When you get a translation wrong you get it wrong no need to keep being adamant...I also thought "la" in Orunmila meant "Save" but I learnt I was deceived by wrong internet articles...which you hold so dear
Never in conversational Yoruba does "la" mean "to save" NEVER!
It could mean to clear
In another tone it means to succeed/...this verb forms Ola "wealth"
In a different tone it could mean to divide/break/to create a boundary, to mark

Gbamila could be broken to form "gbala"(that's why you have olugbala) as a verb meaning "to save" you don't need to break it just "la" to manipulate your way
People don't even say Gbamila anymore, they simply say "gba mi"

mmsen:
No, it is not intelligent to speak falsely which is what you did when you claimed that I have no knowledge on African religion(s).

I may have come to my knowledge on African religions late in life but that is not the same thing as having no knowledge.

Instead of giving me an example of how an African religion has lead to a discovery or encouraged progress you keep insisting that I have no right to form an opinion - this, sadly is typical of most religious adherents.

Oh! Now you have knowledge on the African religion you were never exposed to

Tell me what do you know about African religions that you think you know so much to having your opinion taken seriously?

Olu Falae representing the interest of the Yoruba people well.

Go SDP
Go PDP
Go GEJ

Buhari shall fail again and there's nothing APshit can do about it

mmsen:
You haven't been able to show how African religions encourage free-though, progress or inquisitiveness.

That was my initial point - you refuted it without showing how it was wrong.

the only way you will know if African religions encourage free thought, progress and inquisitiveness is to be exposed to it
That exposure you lack, you might have heard a few things from unreliable sources but you have no knowledge on African religion yet you conclude

Does that seem intelligent to you?

mmsen:
I didn't make my conclusions prior to doing my research.

I approached other religions with an open mind because I was not indoctrinated into them. Sadly, even thought the script may be different the intention appears to be the same.

If I am wrong please show me, I am willing to listen.

What then are you expecting, that I preach African philosophy to you?
Dude from ur first post you've nt been making sense

9jacrip:
For you sur, Ala represents pure but then morps into 'light'. In Oy'ela', it is still 'Ela' not Ala. La in 'Ala' that which is pure or clear.

Eitherways, I jumped into the thread when I read what seemed like corruption of the name 'Obatala' to 'Oba ita ala' and its derivative meaning. So far the thread has its own orientation tilted achieving the science of creation connotation which I really am not interested in.

Yh it's Ela but the "la" represents the same logic in both words which is clarity

Folykaze actually Ola is wealth... you took out "la" from the name Adetola
but it doesn't change the meaning

mmsen:
It is possible to educate yourself on an issue and form your own opinions - the problem with religion is that it usually stands as a barrier between people reading up on subjects - hence why most subjects were not literate in nsibidi, latin or hieroglyphics (and other languages which contained the codified religious beliefs).

You seem very angry about this issue - more interested in attacking me than discussing the issue.

I asked you some questions which you have sidestepped, resorting to personal insults instead.

How do u expect me to discuss African to you when you are a novice on the matter and already made conclusions. You said you have no exposure in it, the reason why is not important

9jacrip:
Of course it represents those.

then why objecting the connection of Ala and light?
Afterall the base of the word Ala is "la" ="to clear" like in Oyela that which makes clear, or Ilaju to be clear in sight
light also makes things clear

So the logic behind the word "Ala" for white clothes is "that which is clear"

FOLYKAZE:
Tell me what 'la' is in Adetola.

Wealth

mmsen:
I know about some African religions in the same way that I know about Islam, from what I have observed and read.

'Religion' is about getting people to buy into a myth for which there is no proof. There is also a large ceremonial part to keep the sheep amazed - the masquerade shows have that we still see at traditional shows and carnivals are the remnants of those beliefs.

If you can show me that African religions are not an exercise in power, that they are about enlightenment then please show.

You just said you have never been exposed to African religions so you have no say, and ur opinion is more like rants of a mad man

come back when you have been exposed

Kreamie:
There's an error in the info being shared on here...its 2000naira for 2.5gb...tthat's the plan I'm on right now...let's learn to get our facts right...thanks

Oga what's the code?

FOLYKAZE:
Have you checked the links I provided? The links said 'save'. . .

I admit 'la' is success/accomplishment.

Adimu la is not correct. Adimu se a se la could only mean success.

Adimu la ja only mean triumph.

Adimu gba mi la only mean salvation.

So you should check the relationship between those la having three meaning. Note, I can still go further.

I don't need internet links to understand yoruba language especially from questionable sources...the same way you read links to determine Emi?

and with my example of Adimula I was bringing an historical event to light. Adimu being a child of oduduwa's household but chance of him becoming king was slim...when he did, people starting calling him Adimula - because he succeeded


Look at the name Orunmila and tell me how salvation fits over success

mmsen:
African religion hasn't kept me from anything - I have never been exposed to it.

But the reason so many of the Nigerian peoples were willing to adopt foreign religions is because it wasn't a great alteration to go from one fairytale to another - they kept the idea of a supreme being, witches and other superstitions. No great change.

My guy in other words you are smart and have all the knowledge in the world as you have nt been exposed to African religion
You have nt been exposed yet you know African religion so well that you are sure it keeps people from knowledge, you know what they thought and why some left for christianity and Islam

Keep deceiving yourself

bestat:
Manifesto All parties do read n carry out manifesto evn d likes of PDP do 2, bt do they rly mk forth dz plans, if nt jz 2 deceive d populace. Any party cn write n present a beautiful gullible manifesto. I dnt support any parties. Jz looking @ APC plans n make up n is nt dt change we r lookn 4 nt dt GEJ is all good bt GEJ is beta dan him

That's the point we Yoruba know GEJ is nt all good but he is far better than Buhari
Many people jst don't think, they either don't know or they have forgotten so soon the kind of monstrous things Buhari has done

@folykaze, 9jacrip is right to say Orunmila is "the spirit realm knows who will succeed"
In Yoruba there's no concept of soul salvation there's only soul evolution and devolution through ur Iwa on earth

I know of Adimu-la meaning Adimu succeeds

And Oduduwa is the fundamental principle/power that set up creation not character or behaviour
I could go with the popular "character" definition only if it relates to form and structure nt behaviour(as in psychology)...


@9jacrip being an omo Obatala, I respect you but don't you think Ala "white cloth" represents the abstract idea of clarity and purity?

gatiano:
In my very limited knowledge of the ancient and ancestral science and history is that Obatala is the head and the most wise of The 7. In the sense that he always knows how to attract friendship (i do not know other words) within the 7 and knows also how to repel tension among the 7, which is one of the characteristics of magnetism.
Without magnetism, we won't have compounds such as the human body, the water, the planets, the solar systems, candles, even love or lust.

So that illuminating light may represent wisdom.

Oshosi is very fast, fast as light. The moon, The sun, the star might all be his brothers and sisters. All the moon,sun and planets and everything within it are binding together by Magnetism, throught out the entire universe.

The relationship between Obatala and Oshosi or Magnetism and Light, is that without ether, there could be light but it would not be seen by nobody. because light can only travel in space which is also Ether. Ether here is Eshu.

We have always heard about a new planet just appearing by the modern scientists, what they do not know infact is that the planet had been there all along from eons of years, only not surrounded by ether.

correct me brother, if i'm wrong, The universal truth is necessary for the blackman's growth and development.

you didn't actually answer my question but thanks anyway

makooma:
Afenifere u are deceiving ur members.if u endorsed Jonathan u are on your own

Leave us! while some in the SW will foolishly give in to APShit lies, The larger population will make sure Buhari fails

Kororugged:
Which faction of Afenifere is this?

Is it the real Afenifere or the Afeniferawon branch?

Regardless, Yorubas are too sophisticated to be ruled like sheep. We make up our own minds.

Sai Baba, Sai Buhari jor....

It's precisely the sophisticated and intelligent Yorubas that will make sure Buhari fails again like a failure that he has become

siraj1402:
Who is Afenifere,whose interest do they represent? Who will read all this trash?

They look after the interest of the Yorubas but northern leaders and some foolish people in the South West don't want what's best for Yoruba

bushdoc9919:
Sad

Oh yes....tribalism keep off this page.

And one wonders what gangs are doing in Gboko.? That means that the PDP governor....who we are informed must be a performer because he is PDP....is not doing the job his people employed him to do.

Benue better vote PDP out if PDP cannot solve youth unemployment and crime.

so it's PDP that will train the children in a family not the parents?

We all know caucasian genes are bad for dancing

But how does this Amber Rose chick concern us?

Olu Falae is the real leader of the Yorubas...we will gladly follow this man not some round head with shaky eyes like Tinubu

Buhari is a fail