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FOLYKAZE:
In Yoruba, everything is alive.

Life is more or less activness.. . . . You cannot pin it down to biology only.

Life force is Emi and not soul. Breathe has nothing to do with personality.

depends if you consider "life" and "consciousness" as the same thing
I don't, I see life as restricted to animate beings that can express subjectivity and emotions
there's no Yoruba idea suggesting that rocks are such ...tho as a Yoruba I know rocks are conscious but nt to the extent you taking it...you are going too extreme egbon
Am sure its all in the translation factor that differs among people..I understand ur opinion but go back and ask any Babalawo if Rocks have feelings and will

As long as only living breathing beings express sentience due to that life force, I maintain that life force is responsible for personality

Maybe u are yet to realize the flaw of ur argument but
1. If Ori is the primal core of our personality, then you are suggesting rocks have cognition and emotions...as Yoruba say Everything including rocks have their Ori
Only Man and animal have life force according to Ifa, yet all things have consciousness in Eledumare
2. If Ori is our primal personality, then what use is the role of guardian that the same ori plays in our life? Can a blind person guide himself through the edge of a bridge? Or you don't know Ori guides our personality?
3. If Ori is what you say it is then it is Ori that reincarnates. that means reincarnation comes with the same destiny, the same purpose in life, the same fortune...everything the same.
4. Before coming to life, Ifa says we go to Ajala to pick our Ori..if Ori is the primal personality then what is the "we" that goes to ajala before we even acquire an Ori?
5. before every life we pick an Ori from Ajala's house, if the Ori is our only real spiritual substance then reincarnation has no place in Ifa, but we know that's not true, Ifa is very serious about reincarnation. So tell me how come Ifa says each ori to each new life

Don't take "emi" for it's literal meaning alone, take it for the concept and relationship with all living beings

I'll like you to read up on Greek philosophy if Yoruba philosophy isn't quite clear to you
*Psyche(Anima in Latin)

FOLYKAZE:
Good evening dude.

Since you have refused to provide answers to my questions, I dont know how we could get pass through this matrix.

The self is not Emi. Emi simply mean breathe or life given force.

Is it wrong to call the self soul?

Wats your idea of self? for me it's our Personality which is from the soul.
unless u think the soul isn't the life giving force

edogho:
ehen Folykaze, zis ur questions, na as e be e get o, thanks for ur time.

I'm one of those who believes d mind assigns dimensions.... I mean that anyone can believe in anything and be comfortable with it. it's how d mind works(I'll like some tutorials on many other workings of d mind sha, I'm not sure what I'm searching on dat topic yet, philfearon dey hoard info)

now concerning d topic, I go with the notion that a soul is made up of both spirit and flesh. maybe, just maybe what u are referring to (i.e d one u said D CHRIST was talking about)is what I call d SELF and finally macof now calls it EMI

Emi means "life force"...the act of living is synonymous with the act of breathing
Only living things breath...so breath is life and life is Emi..don't you think?
Many don't know that it's two spirts in Man...the Life force(Soul) and the "spirit of God" in Man
this life force is also our sentience, which provides us with subjectivity and emotions that mold our personality...what then is the "self" you speak if not the primal force of our personality?

FOLYKAZE:
Is this soul you are reffering to is what the yoruba call Ori inu?

No, Ori inu translated as the Ori inside, or the head within(the body), or the consciousness inside, or the deeper mind...one of my posts above (I hope you read it) stated that the deeper mind is the "spirit of God" in popular ideas like christianity
This is different from Soul. Ori Inu, or simply Ori is the direct link of The Spirit of the universe(Eledumare) in Man. Ori is the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves[see my comment above]...Infact Ori is what establishes us as whatever form we find ourselves...why do you think Yoruba say "Ori mi, eleda mi" -Ori ni Eleda eniyan"
In Eji-ogbe, Ori was first venerated as the one who set up the Orisha in their various Towns and patron cities
Further in Ifa Orunmila taught that Ori creates us in where we find ourselves and the conditions we find ourselves...I think this was Otura-ogbe
Ori exists in everything unlike soul that only exists in sentient beings(Man and Animal)
ori inu is completely different from soul

*the idea of God telling Man to not eat the
fruit is symbolic to the "spirit" in man
directing him, not a literal conversation like
between men
*the fruit is symbolic to knowledge of good
and evil
*Action is based on knowledge, a man sins
when he knows what he's doing is evil
*sin brings death upon the soul but
righteousness brings life upon it

Knowledge that's the type of fruit they ate

danthamccoy:
Which gods? Which heathen? They were the only humans in the world, or in Eden at least.

Are you paying attention to that mad man?
Anybody who doesn't know his history but goes up to claim Jewish history as his own is a mad man we have them many on nairaland especially culture section
It's due to the lack of interest in African history by Africans, these morons wait for Aryans and Semites to do everything for them

There's a thread on similar topic here
www.nairaland.com/2109907/death-living-forever/30212002

sincerenigerian:
Great man. Incorruptible man of the people. We are lucky to have you in this country. You are the only person at this particular time in our country to rescue Nigeria from the mouth of PDP.

I will agree with you and start campaigning for Buhari today if you show us what Buhari has done for this country in his entire life

Lol is this shameless Man still talking thrash?
The Obasanjo that is his highest fan led pdp government for 8 out of the 16 years, Jonathan has only 6years of it

If there's anything wrong with the last 16years of PDP government blame Obasanjo who is now in ur team of liars and shameless men

mamajohn:
Honestly speaking, GEJ failed to know that just like drugs or food items, politicians also have expiry date. Chief Olu Falae though experienced and still respected by some people expired by May 29, 1999. He cannot win election in Ago Ireti, the leper colony that is directly opposite his house in Akure. Dr Mimiko is the greatest deceit ever known, he used the military and police to create serious gridlock in Akure since Sunday evening by mounting road blocks at every 200meters, I learnt he told the president that the good people of Akure and Ondo State has been eagerly waiting for the president since Sunday, recalled that GMB came to Akure on Saturday and an unprecedented mammoth crowd welcomed him, the governor I learnt didn't believe GMB could be given such a mega welcome and has therefore doubled his effort to ensure he drew more crowd than that. He has been having series of meeting with senior civil servants in the state, hurriedly paid December salary on Monday and declared Wednesday as public holiday for this purpose. It doesn't matter any level of panic arrangement put in place by the governor, GEJ will suffer defeat in Ondo State, not really because the people hates him that much but they will see it as an opportunity to pay back a crafty and deceitful governor in his own coins, cheers!

bcomputer101:
GEJ will loose Ondo State woefully because of the hatred of Mimiko by the masses...

Ondo state 'speople are wise and intelligent, they don't punish a man for the offence of another
Ondo will vote GEJ, Buhari can't even see one local government

aanumama:
Dem never see anything.
Mind you all those expired politicians, i.e gbenga Daniels and co won't help your case come FEBUARI.

Lmao expired politicians...maybe but at least they are descent and known when to back down for the younger ones and next generation unlike the shameless Buhari who @73 wants to force himself into a position meant for his children's age
Wat a Shameless cow Buhari is

Deltagiant:
Please, Sahara Reporters, respect the Regent of Akure by recognizing her marital status. Accord it properly by adressing her as Princess Adetutu Adeshida-Dike. She's not a bigot and as such her world view ought to be respected. More over, nothing in Akure tradition (as long as she remains married) forbids her from being adressed with her husband's surename.

. Yoruba culture recognises Fathers name not husbands name.

Let's see the certificate na...what's all this? Ordinary certificate? This man is shameless

This old Man should go and sit down jor.. If he has proof he should bring it and stop all this cheap talk

Wait! Who says African Americans aren't their own ethnic group?

The fact that they came from Regions stretching from Senegal to Angola as Fulani, Yoruba, Igbo, Kongo etc. don't mean that they are still Yoruba, Igbo, Kongo

Like someone already mentioned, 500yrs of being away from your homeland is enough to create a distinct ethnic identity

But I am forced to say that AAs today are more "Western" than "African" in terms of cultural attitude and it's not suppose to be so, the African factor is fast dropping

^^^ the soul is the real self of Man...the breath of life, the Emi
Man as a living soul doesn't mean Man(in flesh) is a soul, it refers to the "self" within the flesh..."living" describes the act of existing in this earthly plain

I hope this clears it up

donphilopus:
I can see the bling-bling Oritsejafor there. Your master is leaving Aso Rock come May 29th!

You will soon see Shekau at the right hand of Buhari at the Aso rock and it would be all because of morons like you

Folykaze bawo ni? Long time

Great to see you back teaching these people their own Bible

manichukk56:
True, what i can't wrap my head around is why people always want a god/deity to create ... What of if sub_quantum fluactuations was what caused our universe to appear

I don't know why some people don't think and pride themselves as atheist
Wat is a god
Wat is a creator

are they the same thing? no! a god is a mythical figure. A creator is an entity that creates
Simple!

cirmuell:
I only gave him the one that will fit his own concept of soul. He thinks a Soul is nothing but breaths, and is not ready to accept any contrary explanation...you can try explaining to him if you have the time.

Your links are out of the point you're trying to make
they didn't show how scientists are experimenting on the soul

And what is soul? U keep going on about me being wrong but you have refused to state what is "right" by giving ur explanation
Your Bible says soul is breath

Genesis 35:18 Rachael's soul departing as she died
6:17 "I will destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life and all things on earth shall die"

you'll see that the breath refered to above is in the flesh and destruction of the flesh means death, and the soul is the breath that leaves the flesh after death

I Kings 17:17,21,22 & 23 ..."he felt sick that there was no breath left in him"
"Elijah prayed to god saying; let this child's soul come back to him"
"and the soul of the child came back to him, and he was revived"
23: Elijah said to the mother "see! Your son lives"

Acts 20:9-10 " the young man sleeping at the window fell from 3 lofts and everyone thought him dead, 10. Paul said; trouble not urself for his life is still in him"

This is from ur Bible, what other definition is Soul if nt the breath?

^^^
me and dead jew worshipping have forever parted ways...except Jesus can appear to me like Paul claimed he appeared on his way to Damascus

But looking at the issue of death and living forever there's confusion in the Bible and ever Christians have little to say about the topic, the Bible has much nonsense as it's knowledge has been diluted with power hungry gimmicks, however these are interesting points worth noticing
Genesis 2:17 God instructs man to not eat of the fruit that gives knowledge of good and evil, because he shall die if he does
Ezekiel 18:4- 9 A Soul that Sin dies, but the righteous lives

This makes it clear that it's the soul that is affected by sin and not the body, the soul being our "self", so man was never intended to live in his body forever, but to return to the earth like other animals Ecclesiastes 12:7 3:19-20
*the idea of God telling Man to not eat the fruit is symbolic to the "spirit" in man directing him, not a literal conversation like between men
*the fruit is symbolic to knowledge of good and evil
*Action is based on knowledge, a man sins when he knows what he's doing is evil
*sin brings death upon the soul but righteousness brings life upon it

Which brings me to another issue is "death" here literal or some allegory?

edogho:
Now that's d kind of topic I like and will always want to learn more about.
let me start by admitting that I know little on that topic.

one thing I do know and I'm sure of is that there's some kinda SELF that directs our consciousness and it's relations with our soul, by soul I mean US.
I've seen ppl claim to receive visions and hear voices of spiritual ppl while d reality is that they unknowingly are discussing with themselves, not exactly their SELF. example is when a friend of mine who claims to be a pastor like his father, collapsed when the same girl whom he claimed God has said is his future partner broke up with him. when I took him home, his own father still boasted that God told him that d enemy wants one of his child.

Me was just laughing inwardly because if d man hear wetin make his son whom I warned collapse, he no go talk rubbish for my front,
now these raises questions, were they deceiving their followers or themselves?
what makes them so sure the voice is God's because I myself sometimes hear a voice inside me and I believe its same for all men

I've seen animals suffer and die and I sometimes allow my consciousness be directed by my SELF to align with that of the animals'. I felt their pain, the sameness, what its like to be dead on the street.
since I learned to do that, I no fit kill even rat again. note that this one's my own experience sha, u might do same and get a different result.

all in all, I still learnt that whatever it is, somehow man is still in control and that's what I call THE SELF. That's y u see ppl basking in what u call ignorance buh they see u as someone misled into swimming in d river of foolishness.
like my mystic uncle will say, its all in the mind, d mind assigns dimensions, simple..

hope u can deduce something from my mind for this here is my mind on d issue..and its not just straight... buh I'm very sure of one thing, that at this stage of my existence, I can't bring myself to being an atheist

Lol you got me laughing at the bold

I have always thought the consciousness to be the fuel to our existence in any form we find ourselves, it's what keeps us going and gives us a purpose especially as sentient beings. That's the "Spirit of God" as some will say but we need to feed it so it can grow and develop within us
I won't blame people for getting sudden ideas in their head and concluding it's God communicating with them...truth is we all have it and it's sometimes called intuition, a sort of mind within the mind that pops out occasionally, or a sixth sense or vision beyond sight
So while you believe that there's an entity as u called "Self" that directs our consciousness,
I believe it's the consciousness that directs our soul...we being souls, the soul is our "self"(even the Bible agrees, Genesis 2:7 "and man became a living soul)

mekaboy:
They are waiting for the elections to end and see if jonathan is re-elected so they can approve the sales.

Bokoharam shares thr same ideology with ISIS, Both ISIS and bokoharam r enemies of the west.

Now buhari is a supporter of bokoharam, and is contesting for president of Nigeria.

Selling this weapon to Nigeria with buhari as president, means handing the weapons of the west to their enemy.

You dont want buhari to hand the weapons over to bokoharam. or have members of ISIS as security in aso rock.

So they are watching to know what choices nigerians will make at the polls.

If they will reelected someone that has the interest of Israel and US or someone that supports Bokoharam, ISIS and the enemies of the west.

True talk. US won't want to associate with terrorist friendly people like Buhari

Segadem:
Who told u Buhari can not do better When Bola Ahmed Tinubu was Lagos state governor everybody was saying is the best, now Fashola is there now performing better.

GEJ can never perform another miracles in four years wen he had already spent 6 years.

Lol Tinubu best in Lagos? for ur dreams?
Where do you put Pa Lateef Jakande, the man Buhari frustrated and sent to jail on no count charge

Lobatan...baba o ka'we, omo o mo'we

This Buhari is very shameless...he lacks patriotism, look at how he is bashing his president with lies and spreading the nation's dirty linen to the US.

When GEJ was adamant about crushing boko haram, you Buhari said no
When GEJ was spending on arming the military against boko haram, Buhari said no
This Buhari who is talking today as if he has any desire to see an end to those criminals, sought for amnesty for them
This Same Buhari promised to make Nigeria ungovernable for,GEJ after losing 2011 elections
This same Buhari called the war against boko haram, an injustice to the North
The North voted massively for Buhari yet what has he done with his influence and power to curb the problem in his region?
Is it until you become president that you would be relevant in the society?
You are a former governor of Northeastern Nigeria, you know the ins and outs, you know the mentality of the people and how to control them.
Boko haram became this offensive immediately GEJ beat you to the tears in 2011 now again this same mad man has promised to soak the dogs and baboons in blood if not elected in office...what kind of devil is this man at 72 that wickedness and threats give you joy?

This Buhari is very shameless, an evil demon. How can personal ambition be more important to a man than the lives of his people?