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Obatala is more associated with illuminating light, I think Osoosi is the brother of the moonlight(Osupa Olonroro)
but what exactly is the relationship between magnetism and light? That u associate magnetism to Obatala

@Gatiano

DrJoe1:
the primary objective of the first missionaries in Africa was to eradicate any trace of ancient alien visitations.
our forefathers worshiped powerful aliens (space travelers) a.k.a gods whom they saw fell from the sky, they made images of them and shrines were built for worship,
christianity is a fake religion fabricated to keep people blind on the real knowledge of their past, so they (humans) can easily be controlled

Lmao aliens really?!

mmsen:
They're both involved in the same hustle - keeping people blind to knowledge so as to maintain control over them.

Most of the sheep, African or otherwise react negatively to non-xtian religious images because that is part of the in-group indoctrination integral for the spread (and strengthening) of the disease.

Christianity all but wiped out native pagan European religions, largely by incorporating many of the practices and celebrations - hence Easter and Christmas.

How has African religions kept you from knowledge?

2prexios:
This is your genius, insulting people as you feel like. I have disgraced and caused you to change your moniker in the past to makof. Thank the data loss. You dont have substance but arrogance. I always break you and your endless monikas. You are preparing a new fatal disgrace for yourself. Be warned. How am I restricted from Igbo history? Cause your kind exist? What's macof? I can't dignify you as to 'the wisest fool', for I will be grateful forever if fate could make my life worthy enough to write Igbo history or Yoruba's, etc. Your humanity is a function of nairaland. Silent is best answer for a fool.

Where did I insult you? I challenge you, you hate challenges on a claim that is alien to the general population, how then do u get people to take you seriously? What you are doing is Spreading falsehood about Yoruba people, and your Hebrew-Yoruba claim will remain falsehood until you provide proof to back it up. At least I've asked u to provide the linguistic, cultural or historical records that link Yoruba ancestors to be Hebrews of the Bible..you get angry and frustrated acting like a child spewing thrash

why don't you put me to shame by providing the proof? Are you going to put it in a book? I look forward to your book

I don't have multiple monikers, it's actually you that does...how's ur ladionline account going?

And yet he replied WTF

malvisguy212:
can you quote the verse?

I did that already in that thread but ok here's a
Ecclesiastes 3:18-21 read and understand

2prexios:
Classic: the greatest madness that defies psychatric scope is to prove nothing, condemn others for their intellectual exercise at proving their observations and assume to be the proof of everything, and finally to label others 'fools' for believing things outside your context. I don't know of classic example of 'grandiose delusion' than this. Father Of Nations, Proof Of Eternity, tell us the story you are defending: we need to know. This will help us to start thinking the way you want so as not to have a clash of ideas.

am sure you know by now that you can't distort Yoruba history. Maybe Igbo is ur new life's worth but as to ur Yoruba-Hebrew claim
I have challenged you to prove it, history is not written by claims nd acclaimed intuition, it's by facts nd proof. You are yet to provide proof to shut me up for good

So by ur own words in bold you know what you are

FOLYKAZE:
Calm down and read this thing all over again.

Aitete mole, ole moloko. Lol. I be wonn call you adamant but choose not to so as not to appear I am attacking you.

This is what you said:


And I said our ancestors are alive. So going by your logic, they are breathing.

You exposed my folly; eni mi sigidi ara re lo n mi.

I have told you been alive is breathing according to science while been alive is activeness according to spirituality.


I am not confusing Ori with Emi. I have told you what each represent severally here.

Emi is activating force.

Ori is awareness and reactive force. The centre of personality. It is that thing that create person. You mentioned this yourself. If the body is person, I think you acknowledge that Obatala creates that. But personality belongs to Ori-Inu.

When our people say the deceased should not relent or sleep in the ancestors realm, this is a prove the transited dead ones are not dead really but very much active or alive in the realm they are.

I have cited the case of Aboku soro and other non' living things that are said to die. So what is your prob here?

No, my comment never gave such impression that dead people still breath.
I said the act of living is synonymous with the act of breathing...and I told u jst as a lifeless thing is lifeless, it doesn't have the ability to breath.
Aye means life nd Iwalaaye means "to be alive". Where have u heard a Yoruba man saying "Oku si wa laaye" or "Alale wa si wa laaye" = our ancestors are still alive? Jst answer this and let this rest
Yoruba puts a clear distinction between the world of the living and the world of the dead...it never says the dead are living beings.
The dead are active quite alright but they are DEAD...saying they are still living breathing entities is just too funny


What's the basis for Ori Inu being the centre of personality? I think I should even ask u this..What is personality? And wat does it translate to?

emotional:
@macof
See threats,I no fit laugh. You should be singing 'I SURRENDER ' in your closet after reading this

You no see sey I reply the mumu...threats, that's wat Christians do best

Anikulhapo:
MY FAVOURITE ACTORS ARE SUPPORTING MY INCOMING PRESIDENT@SANYERI AND ODUNLADE ADEKOLA,SO HAPPY!

They're just doing their jobs which is ACTING

shevon:
Oracle ko, Equinox ni.
I don't believe in all this trash, what will be will be and e no go be because one person say Oracle (abi na SAP) tell am say e go be.
Whether Buhari wins or Jonathan, let the just be peace in this country. I wan to see my children grow up like I did in a peaceful environment.
Chikena.

But of course there can't be peace because Buhari would want to scatter Nigeria when he fails again

toxiflam:
kk
The Alaafin looks fit o , Long Live Kabeysi
Just reminiscening on the old days of social studies
the study of Oyo kingdom, Bashorun, Oyo Mesi et al
Anyway **in Madridfc's voice** I wish Buhari Good luck.

Did you also study how some fractions of Oyo aligned with gambari and betrayed their own blood?

While the fulani herdsmen are busy doing what they know best..their leader Buhari refuses to caution them
www..com.ng/index.php/national-news/item/2904-suspected-fulani-herdsmen-kill-27-taraba-villagers

donphilopus:
That's our incoming President.

...In your dreams

GEJtill2019...if u no like go jump inside lagoon

More sensible Nigerians coming up..that's very good

While the fulani herdsmen are busy doing what they know best
http://e reporter.com.ng/index.php/
national-news/item/2904-suspected-fulani-
herdsmen-kill-27-taraba-villagers

Just watch! Buhari will look for another lame excuse

Just a matter of 15days we shall all know whether the oracle is blind or the man is mad

GMB till I post this

Lmao

Alaafin Oyo with a fulani that brought down his empire

Oba fe di Eru gambari

The shameless old man can't debate...he lacks intelligence and is just full of cluelessness

chimayz:
Doesn't awo also mean skin? I'm not sure, I understand English much better than yoruba I only knew the three basic colours (pupa, funfun and dudu) oh and while we're at it isn't ifun a sheep or something? That'd explain funfun if I was right.

Edit: I just remembered that ifun is goat intestines lol soz there's goat meat cooking in the kitchen I'm probs just hungry

Ara is Skin na..abi?
I think Ifun is sheep's Fur cus Sheep itself is Agutan.. Might interest you to know "Efun" is chalk, or more correctly white chalk

FOLYKAZE:
Iku biologically is the end of life. While in the spiritual side, Iku is simply a transition point from the physical world to the world of ancestors.



It is hard to believe this is coming from you.

Emi is impersonal animating force. It transending to the spiritual world is to animinate Ori-Inu.

Let me nail this whole thing with this sample:

During Oro or consulation of the dead ones. . .Yoruba people would say 'won re pe eleda oku Orun'. Meaning they are consulting the Ori Inu dwelling in the spirit world.

The same Yoruba says Ori eni ni eleda eni. Meaning ones Ori is the creator of person. (where I deduced that Ori is the centre of personality).

So it is glaring here that what they consult when someone is decease is it Eleda living in spiritual realm. . . .and not the Emi.

True, Emi and Ashe works to functioning of Ori-inu. This is what brought the analogy of radio-set and electrical power. Emi is electrical power, Radio set is the body while Ori-Inu is the control station. The frequency is the Ashe that make everything be.

This is simple bro. . .

Oloro or Abokusoro will call on Eleda from the ancestor realm for conversation despite the fact that the person been called in reality is dead. The Eleda simply is Ori. What makes it live in the spiritual realm is Emi.



Life is activeness. Is your phone not alive? Is it breathing? Yoruba people will say Ile o kin ku. Meaning earth will never die; is earth a living thing? When you say a cutlass is dead in yoruba, does that mean cutlass is alive and breathing?

Life is activness

Consciousness is awareness and reaction.

Simple like APC.



You are the one turning the table around bro.

When Yoruba say the earth wont die, does that mean earth is alive?

Why do you think people are deny of pronouncing Oba is dead (ku)?

Why do they do they recant this statement in local burial ceremony 'Ti o ba dele ki o so runre, ki o majeko, ki o ma je kounko, oun wa n ba je lorun ni ko je. Baba ti o ba ti de orun ki o ma sun o.'

OR

'Baba tetede, ajo o re yin, ranti ki o weyin wo'

Can a dead corpse eat, sleep, go on journey or see?

These saying is showing that the dead ones are not really dead but have continully living in another realm where they eat, see sleep and go around in journey.



You have examples up there. . .

smh I honestly don't know how to make you understand. It's obvious you are adamant...I have more points I could give you but even if an Awo tells u what am saying you will still argue with him


About the argument of the dead still living, I've told u it's a matter of perspective. where some confuse themselves by giving "Life" and "Consciousness" the same meaning, others don't....so you are right, I am right.
Your problem is u the lack the ability to understand my perspective which I've been trying to make you see
I still remember you said the dead are living and "breathing" that's where I had to point ur folly
Do u see where taking consciousness and life as the same thing confused you?

malvisguy212:
I remember, on one thread, you agreed with the pagan that animals has soul,you guys even went further and claimed animal feel guilt in them, so my points is ; if satan deceive man, why do we have to pay for our sin instead of satan?as long as animal feel guilt and have soul,they are no different from human(according to pagan)

it's nt jst paganism. Ur Bible states.animals have soul too..why don't you read and stop listening to ur thieving pastors?

plaetton:
Bullshyte.
Satan is now spirit. Yesterday he was a talking snake.
And if satan is now in hell, why is he freely tormenting Christians today?

You, sir, are sooo confused.

Lol Satan giving Christians headache since 300BC

johnydon22:
Answer the question; Was it the snake or the satan..if it was satan why then was the snake punished?... and from this your passage the woman never knew it was evil to eat the fruit she only thought she would die. she had no knowledge of good and evil not even knowing she was naked... now why bear this grudge from adam and eve down to this ur own generation, holding everybody responsible for a sin committed by two people out of IGNORANCE ??
Ok am done arguing over jewish mythology with you... you are from a tribe in Nigeria and every people have their own creation story. "can you please tell me that of your tribe?"

Not malvisguy212 or any of the moronic Christians around. They rather die for Jewish mythology

Spirit world many people have been deceived by they pastors who are either morons or thieves

the realm of the spirit is a field of interactions between different constellation of energies...these spirits energies are integral parts of our natural world

So the universe is one, spiritual and physical are parallel plains of existence

This JW people are funny...but I admire them cus they follow the Bible to the last word, at least to the best of their knowledge. Making them the least hypocritical denomination of Christians.

but do they own cars? Cus Bible never said Christians should own cars

iamord:
u act like u don't know what am talking about.. the African witches are not development minded but resort to control and evil. where r u from?

Lmao baba relax na...too much Nollywood(or is it Ghollywood) is not good

saying witches are evil is like saying humans are murders because of a relegated few

FOLYKAZE:
Na wa o. . . .

The Yoruba people would say; Emi oku ti re koja. Meaning the life force of the corpse has transended to other realm.

If our ancestors live in the spirit, world. . .we both know the spirit world is where Emi moved to. What is it purpose there?

Also, are the dead ancestors dead and inactive in the spirit world?

Why are the ancestors called dead living ones?

If they are alive, should we assume our spiritual philosophy is wrong because thay aint scientifical?


Answer these questions man.

Beautiful! Pls give a basic and simple analysis on Iku(death)

[and earlier I told u, Emi is the core of our personality that moves on after death ...you disagreed saying it's merely "breath" that gives life to the body
Good you are realizing it's the Emi that continues existing as our ancestors...I thought you would say it's the Ori Inu they possessed that is our ancestors]


First of all, I never said dead people are inactive, I said they are DEAD because they lack LIFE(the principle of breathing)
I told u it depends on if you consider "life" and "consciousness" to be the same thing...because I don't so as I understand your idea, I don't like confusing myself and confusing people so I stick to clear understanding of terminologies

Secondly, In ancient times we didn't separate science from spirituality, they were one and the same. So a Man who had been taken by Iku was said to be an Oku(dead body, lifeless) or Alaisi(non-existent, absent one) while a Man yet taken by death is said to be Elemi(one who has a soul) Araaye(one who is part of life)
being alive is much more than being active..
Yoruba call rock "Okuta" Oku-ita meaning lifeless form outside

Can you give a Yoruba saying that projects the idea that dead people are still "living and breathing" like you said in your previous post

FOLYKAZE:
You should not try to bring science into spirituality. . .hence you will go into the wrong direction.

Our ancestors are not living anymore. They are dead, not alive and not sentient again. They aint breathing so they are lifeless. This is biology.

But in spirituality, they are very much alive, breathing and continuing living in the spirit world.

Remember their spirit can be invoke, communicated with and prayed to. It is believe they mingle with Orisha, take sacrifice, feel for our existence and say prayer on our behalf to Orisha. They are on a journey to becoming Orisha. . . .Eni sonu ati eni ti o ku, ojo kan ni won ma pade. Where would dead person meet the lost one? And when they are not animinated, what power them in the spirit world? Are they not alive there too? Do you think they take in Oxygen like you do?




There is nothing like feelings and will. We only have vibrations and it is applicable to rocks too.



Electricity power radio and make everything in it function. That does not make electricity a radio frequency receptor.

Emi is an impersonal force which animinate beings.




Everything is active and alive. . . .vibrating.



Have you ever asked this; do I ever exist?

You are like a radioset, what speaks in you is far away in the station.

The Yoruba say; Ori Inu mi ma ba ti o de mi je. . . .

This shows Ori Inu guide the outer Head through it path to Ire. Ori Inu cannot accomplish Ire without the help of Aya and Ese. Aya, Ese and Ori is the physical component of person, the Original self is in.

So Ori Inu guides that of Inu.



Reincarnation is for attainment of Iwa-pele



The lifefull moulded person. It is purposeless. And robotic but still alive.




Ifa did not say another Ori for Ashehinwaye.

Reincarnation is not new life. . .it is simply recycling of consciousness.



Emi is breathe. It power everything in the body including the functioning of consciousness.

If you agree consciousness is present in everything, what power them?

Lmao @bold...you are going too extreme like I have told u
This will just be going back and forth (but if you still want, I'll answer all ur questions)
Just speak with a Babalawo about what I told u
Emi is so much more than you think

have u started on the Greek philosophy of psyche like I advised you?