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9jacrip:
Eran ni awon mods yen jare.
How you dey?

im doing fine egbon. what's your latest venture?

KingEbukaNaija:
There are so so many @ OP . But one thing is sure that the atheists had little concern with science , there were concerned with philosophy and political theories . But as for the instigation of modern science , we have the Muslims then the Christians took over .For starters , the only prevailing cosmological model for the universe - the Big Bang - was proposed by Belgian Priest Georges Lemaitre in 1927. The greatest inventions , discoveries , launching of top universities were all made by Christians . There are so so so many .

what has the big bang theory got to do with Christianity? that it was proposed by a Catholic priest doesn't make it an achievement of Christianity because it wasn't proposed in honour of any christian principle
if anything it goes against Christianity. .. what happened to "and God said"?

lemme ask you, why has the big bang theory not been embraced by churches?

Mizblinks:
How about some of this contributions by Christians scientists and technologist, can you help me with that? Thanks.

Yes like I said many christian and Muslims have been instrumental to the development of science and technology but that is because they set religion aside when it needs to be...many are prosecuted over this

imagine bringing religion into everything, Muslims will say the sun rests in a pond, Christians will say rainbows are the bow of God to remember his promise to Noah. ..I was told this 3 weeks ago by a christian after she rejected my explanation that rainbows are reflection of light on water droplets

someone once told me there are no other planets like Mars, Jupiter etc because the bible didn't say it, he even claimed there's no evidence, it's just oyinbo trick

promise10:
See a fool thinking that science is in war with religion! It is a shame to met somebody with this mentality in this 21th century.

and in ur useless fish brain you saw me state science and religion are at war
Mr. 21st Century with a fish brain
dumb slowpoke. ..next time read and comprehend or ask questions oloshi

amodu:
Make una stop mentioning me HABA....

: oga sorry na that woman wan give us new meaning to your name

Mizblinks:
Someone should help me identify the contributions of Christianity to the modern science and technology please... Thanks in advance.

Cc: otemanuduno, HARDDON , HardMirror, macof,
parisbookaddict, plappville, truthman2012, KingEbukaNaija, OLAADEGBU, bingbagbo, winner01 et el....

There's no contribution of Christianity or Islam to science. either modern or ancient

however some Muslims and Christians have been instrumental to the development of science. Science and Technological advancement has nothing to do with religion. .if anything, religion sets it back decades and even centuries

9jacrip:


That's my other handle, this one was banned for a while.

Egbon 9jacrip long time. That's how nairaland mods ban me too o... I just take a rest when that happens

0000A:
What aspect of Olodumare are we revisiting? Has there been a thread where prior discussion was done?

If yes, please post the link for some of us to skim through in order to catch the drift of the discourse.

If no, please give us the design of the aspect of Olodumare you want to revisit. Olodumare is wide nd very abstract by individual understanding.

Meanwhile, since Olodumare is a Yoruba spirituality concept that can not and should not be explained from the perspective of Islam or Christianity; before we proceed, any foreign religion adherent should:

good comment!

the revisiting the op wants is to identify Olodumare as Allah

uplawal:
Why should I waste my precious time on a mannerless person parading like onifa,path my head for what?mo sese mo PE omokekere ni,I pity people around you,

why so pained? instead of showing how Amodu is a real yoruba word meaning bringer of odu you are here crying and claiming old woman
don't pity people around me. .they are very glad to know a person like me. pity yourself!


Orunmila in Mecca not oduduwa anymore. what won't we hear from religiously retarded people?

VomeSchakleton:
Which somehow means the same thing in Arabic and hausa. Sure!

does it really mean the same thing? translate pls

Ghost01:
Nah! Asiri, gafara, adua,... were gotten from contacts with those to the north of Yorubaland. 'Asiri' is 'imule' in the old language, e.g., òrò ìmùlè = òrò àsírí. If you look hard enough sef, you'll still find other synonyms to asiri that are (or appear) native to the Yorubas. Salaam!

Imule is more like a vow/oath not secret
the word "asiri" makes every sense you can think of as a yoruba word

VomeSchakleton:
Arabs call mosques masjid, and hausas call mosques masallaci, the prefix ma is hausa and suffix sallah (prayer) is arabic which roughly translates to place of prayer when put together. In many cases you find the yoruba words are closer to hausa than arabic, for instance, arabs call onion basl, and hausas call it albasa, notice the prefix "al" another very common hausa prefix (almakashi, almajiri, algungumi), yorubas could have gone with any version of "basl" but they went with "alubosa". It should also not be unusual that the word for onion was borrowed as onions were not originally found in this region and we tend to use the names used by those who popularize such things, in the case of onion it was the arabs. Another example is sirr in arabic, which is asiri in hausa, yorubas could have gone with any variation of sirr but they went with asiri? Another coincedence? how about fitila? Amfani? barka? all coincedences? i think not. Trade was not uncommon between hausa and yoruba empires in the old days, its a very simple explanation, anyone who starts trying to link this with some hebrew origin mumbo jumbo has completely lost the plot.

Macof, i would love to hear your take on this. lets see which conspiracy theory you come up with.

why would you say that? @ emboldened

well I disagree with Asiri. .. That's a pure yoruba word

Deatheater:
Maybe because I am igbo and u no nothin about my culture.
About the Methuselah ish, I only used it as a pointer that people of those yrs lived longer than we.

well you must have your sources na...that's what I wanna know


You should know that the Methuselah stuff is nonsense. nobody can live 960years

Deatheater:
This my response.

methusela, dreams dude what you take me for here?

the only sensible thing you said was this

" let us assume that before a new Ezenri ascends the throne the other Ezenri even though dead was still assumed reigning as they haunt for his successor making his reign look longer"

but you got nothing to prove this was the case. Where did you even get this idea from in the first place?

Deatheater:
Reigns
It is difficult to trace the exact dates for an individual eze Nri, because there was an interregnum after each one's death. During this time, the priests of the eze Nri waited for someone to manifest the signs indicating they were the next priest-king. [3]
List of recorded Eze Nri
Eri period
Name Portrait Birth Marriages
Eri
948-1041 [4]
Post Eri period
Name Portrait
Eze Nri Ìfikuánim
1043-1089[4]
Eze Nri Nàmóke
1090-1158[4]
Eze Nri Buífè
1159-1259
[4]
Eze Nri Ọmalọ
1260–1299
[4]
Eze Nri Jiọfọ I
1300-1390
[4]
Eze Nri Ọmalonyeso
1391-1464
[4]
Eze Nri Anyamata
1465-1511
[4]
Eze Nri Fenenu
1512-1582
[4]
Eze Nri Agụ
1583-1676
[4]
Eze Nri Apia and Nri–Alike
1677-1700
[4]
Eze Nri Ezimilo
1701-1723
[4]
Eze Nri Èwenétem
1724-1794
[4]
Eze Nri Ènweleána I
1795-1886
[4]
Eze Nri Òbalíke
1889-1936
[4]
Post decline
Name Portrait Birth Marria
Eze Nri Jiọfọ II Taabansi Udene
1937-1987
[4]
Agbadana
Eze Nri Ènweleána II Obidiegwu Onyeso (MFR)
1988-current [4]
Cc: Yournemesis. Note that their have to be an interleggum where the next eze Nri has to show signs he is the chosen one. The date of Eri as the first eze Nri shows that Nri is older than ile ife.
It is not the numbers of kings in the dynasty that matters but when their first king reigned.

look at the dates carefully, no significant interregnum there.

however look at the dates of each reign; so unrealistic and absurd ....fix the lope holes in Nri history before coming out to call it a civilization or a kingdom. ..from what we have so far, it's more of a village

EzeNri:
Who founded Ife? Oduduwa I guess. Your Oduduwa descended from Bini Empire and Nri Empire was 232 yrs older than Bini Empire.

and you know yoruba history more than the entire yoruba people to know that oduduwa descended from an empire started by his descendants? that's like a Man being the son of his grandson. .. did you think at all before uttering that nonsense?


Nri empire?! you igbos just sound so confused most of the time. do you even know what an empire is?

Orubebe01:
Do u feel happy seeing our ladies expose their unclothedness in church? That kind of dressing should be seen in the clubs and not in the church.

ok. for the reason that a church has its rules that is accepted but it's completely wrong to condemn anyone for what makes them happy in public...as long as it's not illegal


most Africans like yourself tend to be hypocritical busy bodies

Orubebe01:
I sincerely love the way this jw people dress. They always look cute, not exposing their body to the public especially their females.

but even when someone exposes their body to the public, what is your business there? it's after all their body not yours

uplawal:
You just displayed how shallow and ignorant you are, i used to think you got a bit of sense,but i see you not only lack sense but you are totally devoid of morals,i still repeat this are not the behaviours of onifas i have met and do yourself a favour by not claiming to be an onifa, a person that is too shallow to know Amodu means bringer of Odu,check yourself before yopu wreck yourself,imagine him saying i wrote nonsense and my brain messed up,very rude and unacceptable.

so I should massage ur pride? make u feel good by telling you what you want to hear/read?

islam has messed up ur brain. ..forget it. ..it's nt rude but an honest observation

u are in urgent need to link islam to yoruba culture by any means that u don't know how ridiculous what you have wrote is.

amodu bringer of odu Mohammed is wat den?

dayowunmi:
You the lost soul, coming to Nairaland to form foreigner, swerve, make your separate comment elsewhere and stop quoting me.

see mumu. how can you Christianity with islam are important for africa's development? it shows you are damned ignorant and a far gone lost soul

dayowunmi:
Africans can be so stupid! And what are you? American or British? Learn to take contrary opinions, we don't have to see things the same way, it doesn't make you wise while another is foolish.

Unfortunately u lost souls are the new face of africa. contrary opinions? you spew rubbish and you talk about contrary opinion? I appreciate an intelligent contrary opinion not some dumb poo by a lost soul

uplawal:
Am not arab wanna be,islam has not told people to forget who they are and where they come from?you talk as if you are full of hatred,Orunmillah the sage dnt preach your hatred,he visited mecca 2twice,and brought Ifa to them?And Allah mentioned his name as Ahmad which we yorubas call Amodu the one who brings Odu,address the thingsa i wrote,and drop your hatred,the attitude stinks,its not the behaviour of onifa,all of you arguying about the faith of Abraham,denying and attributing him to jewgod or whatever,for your infiormation Allah made it clear he was never a jew,not a christian but an anifa?stop hating,it wont lead anywhere,dnt let me tell you all abouit myself as this place is not worth spilling myself,i would advise you to read the quran one by one and learn what you dnt know and quit hating,you dnt have to agree with everything,but manythings in there and rituals speak volume about ifa as allah.author=macof post=47762513]


what are you? are you isese or Islam? u are either a yoruba in body and soul or an Arab wannabe
t6 Odu for them

does islam not deserve hatred? what good does a religion that has totally messed ur brain up.

anyway this is not about hatred but common sense.

1. Orunmila did not visit Mecca
2. Orunmila is not mentioned in the Quran

look at the nonsense you wrote! amodu is Orunmila
yoruba has suffered

uplawal:
OK now macof,this is getting interesting,let us break down the name olodumare if at the end of it you won't find it to be IFA gan gan,I asked a knowledgeable babalao about the name,which he says the owner of odu i.e that we are returning to is orisha orunmilla I.e IFA,the name ololumare ID not complete until the meaning is achieved to IFA,Allah says same in the Quran,all matter,everything will be return to him,we were constantly told to remember his odu in the quran but musls vehemently objected saying is the same Quran referring us to get reminder we should remember and not any other verse.

what are you? are you isese or Islam? u are either a yoruba in body and soul or an Arab wannabe


There's no ground for calling Olodumare Allah. ..unless we speaking arabic. ..as the language only as one such word for the divine "ilah" plus the article "al"

gloryman91:
It seems this king is making sense now. Only Allah should be worshipped.

dayowunmi:
I still believe religion has some part to play in Africa's development, but it's our mentality that has the most part to play. Yes, i do agree that there's a lot of countries who are first world nations and are not religion centric as we are over here. However Africa is different from other Continents, in the sense that our forefathers worshipped several dieties some which required human bloodshed and some other evil and primitive practices and some of this practices probably continue even to this day, as a result of these prior occultic practices you discover that many things are not working well, take for example, Africa is the most natural resourced continent and yet the poorest continent. At the end, it all depends on your perspective sha, you may not really believe in some of these things but they are real.

Africans can be so stuupid

just look at

LucifersTongue:
Samuel Ajayi Crowther and other missionaries did a thorough job sha. Most now hate our gods just as much as the missionaries did.

But you can't blame Samuel though. He was sold off as a slave by his people and destined for some plantation in Cuba or Brazil but was rescued and nurtured by the British. No better way to revenge than to destroy the people's religion and culture.

Samuel was kidnapped by fulanis oga

Florblu:
I dnt expect someone who claim to have moral like you to walk in the midst of fools let alone raise their banner.
You are trying to sound intelligent when it is apparent your IQ is registered in CFA francs.
Don't even try to engage me,you already lost it.

and where's the sense in all you just said now?

AlanSugar:
And did your forefathers go to school? These kids are sent to school to learn a lifestyle and acquire western knowledge, now where is the difference? I have nothing further!

and in this mumu's mind school is a western invention.
learn more about the world and especially your own people and stop living a lost life

Florblu:
Learn to have a constructive argument without insulting the other party involved that makes it apparent you inherited all the dumbness of Africa.
I don't know why any reasonable being will compare the Precolonial era with what we have today.

I'm not here to argue with people like you. that's me stooping low

Morality is one reason, that which lost africans like you lack but hypocritically talk about decency as if you have much of that. ..I mean, where is the decency in sexualizing children?

sekundosekundo:
Which bank was your forefathers keeping their money.
Your forefather was he from Europe.
What type of vehicle did your forefathers had.
You claim to be a wise person but you don't want to go back to stone age. Is it only unclothedness that you learnt from your forefathers?.

my forefathers were never recorded to be in the stone age. Infact when most of Europe was Still battling with stones my forefathers were already pioneering the Metal age.... learn some african history you dummy

DaBullIT:
Yyeebo Threads


I guess the Yoruba race gives you nightmares

this one is having nightmares about igbos, he's saying another thing

carmag:
Op ..you omitted the vital pat of it......I have a lot of Yoruba friends so i can tell you the major reasons..

firstly,...they see Igbo women very attractive compare to their own...also they need to brake the re -circling of dark skin to dark skin which will reflex in their kids

secondly, Igbo women who marries outside their own does that out of desperation or she goes for the money

You can ask FFK or Atiku

it's paining you I know cus ur "reasons" are complete rubbish. I hope you don't live in yorubaland otherwise your sisters and future daughters will most likely end up pregnant for yoruba guys

sekundosekundo:
Your forefathers were also killing twins.
Your forefathers worships Idol.
Your forefathers lived in mud houses etc.
Which of these three are you keeping in remembrance of your forefathers?.

another mumu. so because calabar people killed twins the entire africa will not hear the end of it

the Europeans you like to copy "worship" idols too. ..everyone "worships" idols. . if only u are intelligent enough to know what an idol is


and wat is wrong with mud houses?