₦airaland Forum

JuanDeDios:
Since you're an adult who refuses to use your sense of reasoning, let me point out the obvious error in your statement. Nobody dies out of frustration with Oro. People only die from Oro if they're captured by its headhunters. That is why you should pray to our gods (who never sent you to kill anyone) that your wife or kid doesn't fall victim. If they do in some community far from your own, they will be mincemeat. This is why you should leave these cults and join the campaign against them.

you jst might die in ur campaign, it's ur obsessive hatred for Yoruba traditions that will kill you not rituals. I'm done trying to educate you

JuanDeDios:
Yeah, ridiculing the Yoruba. I made the announcements. I coined the words "If your goat is missing, look for it, but if your person is missing, don't look for him."

As you can see, your insulting skills have won you the argument. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. You can now go home. Omoluabi ni e!

But, seriously, you should stop labeling savagery and babarism as "Yoruba". Most Yorubas are civilised and don't support these sanguinary traditions. Oro and eleku persist because a few antedeluvian holdouts like you insist on continuing to practise them.

if you don't like it go back to ur village that is free from Oro, cus you will only end up dying of frustration with Oro

Noneroone:
who will make the law. Isnt Igbos in lagos assembly among those that will make the law? Lagos is no man's land, very soon we will make Igbo language compulsory there sef.

you are such a fool. some concerned igbos come here to lament how Lagos is sucking the "Igbo" right out of them and you as a stuupid fella come with this jargon. .smh
you really don't comprehend the message of this thread. ..cus it exposes the lie that igbos have a stand in Lagos

well of course, any resident of the state know that the Yoruba nature is unthreatened

sarrki:
Nop, it's the aftermath of the the last administration we are feeling now .

However I know it will get better .

is it that you are very gullible and believe anything your small group of friends(APC supporters) tell you. .. or you are just a disgusting liar?


blaming GEJ again? Abacha who ran the most corrupt administration in nigeria's post independence history wasn't blamed by Abdulsalami or Obasanjo

with all the flaws of Obasanjo and his share of incompetence, Yar Adua and Jonathan didn't blame him for anything. ..they faced their work. .and in all that Nigerians were never suffering like this

surely the so called corruption fighter is fighting nothing at all. .. cus it appears Nigeria is better off with corruption if buhari is the proposed ultimate anti-corruption element

a president that can't handle the heat, or face criticism or even be accountable. ..buhari is a failed president and you lack a good head to actually be deceived by such childish gimmicks and act like blaming a government that left Nigerians smiling a year ago

jpphilips:
You conceded defeat at the polls then gave militants our pipeline network blueprint for insurance and you still have mouth to talk!!
I blame Buhari for not making you Kanu's cellmate in Kuje prisons

Dangote donated 500m to the PDP and you gave him concessions worth billions at the expense of other hard working Nigerians and you call that an achievement? Just like you disgraced yourself in your CNN interview that stealing is not corruption, you have serious morality issues that you can hardly separate right from wrong.
You may be an Election Ambassador world over, but back home in Otuoke, you are just a glorified POSh!t.

sure Jonathan had his many flaws but seriously?! you talk about morality? speak of buhari who lost an election and doomed hundreds to death in 2011... he was also Willing to kill hundreds more if he didn't win in 2015
is that your model moral man?

JuanDeDios:
Macof, your people at it again. This must be one of your happiest times of the year. In a country where laws are useless and the authorities turn the other way. Because many of them are cultists, themselves. Eleku and Oro. May Olodumare teach you love, my brother. May the gods prosper you to live to see the day we come into the 21st century.

jobless nitwit. stop mentioning me and go get a life

you are obsessed with trying to ridicule the yoruba, fools like you will die before that can ever happen

Phi001:
Since when did B become distinction? Her result can't get her I to any federal university. Why did they check her result sef?

B has always been a distinction.

her result has over 5 credits including English and maths which can get her into any university in the country. ..and many parts of the world

Although she would have had to change from her desired biochemistry due to the low score in biology


pls refrain from arguing over topics you don't know about

khaymillers:
WASCE: C6, Economics; B3, Geography; C5, Civil
Education, and C4 in English Language. “She also had
C4 in Mathematics; B3, in Chemistry; E8, Biology; C6,
Physics and F9 in Marketing.”
With this kind result, her father said she's one of the best. E be like say na vegetable brains full the school. This is not even an average result. The result is not good enough

saying nonsense. That's above average actually

5 credits, 2 distinctions, 1 pass, 1 fail

prophetfire:
all your useless dead idols teach you is to insult persons you don't know. no single manners or courtesy. reason why African idol worshippers are backward and undeveloped. the white man and his true living God conquered you and your useless idols and you have to learn to live with this reality. if your useless idols are of any use or powerful, let them rise and retake their territories. you are conquered and conquered for good. learn to live with this reality.

this guy is so dull.

go ask ur mad gayhova why he didn't save christians killed by boko haram, why he allowed african black Muslims take over Spain and Portugal. ask ur useless Jesus why The Roman Empire was crushed and divided. ask ur gay master why The Christian byzantine empire was terminated by the Turks. ask ur yahweh why Hitler killed millions of his Jewish people. ask ur useless deity why Babylon and Assyria destroyed Israel, the destructive effects they have not recovered from till today, and will never recover from

the answer is simple - ur doG is useless

sats:
Free born not osusu
Are you done or you still want to display the immaturity of your thinking and conduct?
Your choice
... mind you, am done wasting my mb on you, am not on glo 50gb for N50

When I say slave I mean a mental slave who's thinking faculty is caged by the Europeans who sold him a god they invented
use ur head and claim ur freedom

AreaFada2:
DrChristian,

Very good that you have brought your ignorance of Benin history to this public forum. This is the problem of raising kids away from home. The history they know is tainted by their environment. I have had similar experiences with French Caribbeans, Dutch Caribbean, British Caribbean descent people in Europe regarding history of slavery. They end up admitting that they have NEVER read a book written by an African on slavery. Only those written by descendants of the same slavemasters. Hence their biased approach of blaming only Africans for it. While this your claim would make you popular & be more accepted by your Yoruba hosts, it is a fallacy & capitulation. I have no doubt that you probably have a Yoruba boyfriend or husband by now. Women do all things for love.

First of all, Oranmiyan's abode was not at Uselu. It was in Egor/Useh axis. A couple of kilometres away from Uselu. Egor & Uselu are two ancient villages that have practically grown together to meet Uselu and now all part of Benin metropolis. Reasons are simple. (1) Oranmiyan married daughter of the Enogie (Duke) of Egor called Ogiegor. An ancient duke of Ogodomigodo (as Benin was called then). (2) The Evian/Ogiamien family had emerged the most powerful ruler in Benin in the absence of an Oba-Godo (synonymous with Oba of Igodomigodo). This was before 1169 AD.

Evian/Ogiamien family ruled Benin City proper, supported by other chiefs who had all grown to enjoy the power they arrogated to themselves during the interregnum. That is, between the demise of last Ogiso to going to try bring back Ekaladerhan (by now Ododuwa: coined from Izoduwa & Ima d'odowa) from Ife. Evian/Ogiamien had grown so powerrful he vowed to prevent anybody coming back to Benin to reclaim Oba-godo crown. The last thing a new king needed was a war. Chief Oliha & other chiefs like Ero, Edohen, Eholor Nire etc who persevered also knew how powerful & resourceful Ogiamien was. For the time being, Egor new the respected father-in-law was a safer/better place to be.

Uselu was a decent sized village and only three palaces are known there. (1) Iken Palace. Iken, a local chieftain & warrior died fighting imperial war against Owo. Oba promised to get the crown prince to hold forte for Iken, who had no male heir pending his return from war. Iken never returned. In Iken's memory, the Oba made all crown princes upon coming of age to leave Oba's palace & reside permanently Iken's palace. Around 500 years on, the tradition remains as Edayi n'Iken/Edaiken's (One holding forte for Iken's) palace for the crown prince. The other Uselu palace is the Queen Mother's palace. Started by Emperor/Oba Esigie of Benin for his mum, Queen Idia. A Queen mother if alive still lives there till today.

You narrated words that seem to have come from Yoruba language into Benin. Very interesting. But you clearly lack knowledge an area of humanities called Philology: study of origin of words. If you knew, you'd be aware that both Yoruba & Benin languages belong to the West-Benue-Congo/East Kwa branch of Niger-Congo language family. This East Kwa also includes Igbo, Idoma, Fon, Ewe (Ghana/Togo), Ebira/Igala (Yoruboid), etc.

The closer geographically & culturally two or more languages are, the more the words retained together or even cross-assimilated.
Note also that Benin Empire had swathes of provinces (something Yorubas like to deny today) in Eastern Yorubaland. In Ondo/Ekiti. The boundary between Oyo Empire & Benin Empire was agreed as Otun. Today in Northern Ekiti. I'm a direct product of this imperial period in Eastern Yorubaland and known relatives are still all over the place. From Emure-Ekiti to Owo. With so many Yoruba subjects, many moving to Benin, the imperial capital, to show off their skills & talent for patronage, won't they come with their language?

In Edo state today, precisely Ovia, many people from Yorubaland populate dozens of villages & hamlets. A dialect similar to Owo Yoruba are still spoken alongside Benin. I mean just 45 minutes to 1 hour drive from Benin City. Including my village. Your clearly fail to see the effect of that imperial period on Benin language because Yoruba people claim it never happened. But there living evidence like me and thousands more.

As for Yoruba language spoken in Benin palace as proof, it also shows your shallow knowledge of royalty historically worldwide. That a different language is used among the inner circle of the palace is not new.

French was the court/palace language across Europe for centuries. King Louis XIV of France (lived 1638-1715) made France, in his long reign of 72 years, even more of an epitome of high culture & style. More than ever. It also became the language of international diplomacy, basically until 1945 as America gained more influence post WW2.

Most British monarchs including Henry VIII that founded Anglican Church, and his courtiers were fluent in French, a century earlier. When Europeans were scrambling for Africa in Berlin in 1884-85 conference, talks were conducted in French.
Queen Elizabeth II & Prince Charles speak very good French till today. QEII is of German origin. It does not make them all come from France.

In royalty, tradition and custom are retained for centuries, albeit minor changes over time. Coming from Ife, Oranyan, a Yoruba speaker, came with his courtiers too. Many of whom stayed behind in Benin after Oranmiyan left.

The Yoruba courtiers certainly would have spoken Yoruba within the royal court and may have helped to create a certain linguistic culture there. One of those who came with Oranmiyan is Oloton, and his descendant, Chief Oloton remains keeper of the royal ancestral shrine till today.

You also made a false claim. Oba Akenzua was not born in Yorubaland. He attended King's College Lagos. Not unusual to spend many years as a teenager in Lagos and learn the language.

TO BE CONTINUED..........

You also quickly mentioned "Owomika" as evidence of Yoruba ruling Benin. Again here at best, you did a very superficial research. Nobody has said Oranmiyan did not come from Ife.

Like I made clear above, Owomika was possibly surrounded by many Yoruba speaking courtiers. And kids understand languages spoken around them daily.
But as a child he had speech disorder. If you're a medic, as your moniker implies, you should remember from your Pediatrics & Child Health rotation what these disorders are. "Owomika!" was his exclamation upon winning a game of seed. Seed games are common all over Southern Nigeria. Owomika/Eweka became his regnal name. Akhue seed & Ogirise are still played till today in Edo.

You need to remember that by around 1169 AD, Yorubaland was not this relatively homogeneous tribe you have now. The term Yoruba did not even exist. You were Ife, Oyo, Owo, Ekiti, Ijebu, Awori, Egba, Ibadan, etc. Until Ajayi Crowther standardised Yoruba language in writing, people spoke very different dialects all over Yorubaland.
Similar standardisations occured in Germany by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, In England by Shakespeare, earlier in Greco-Roman antiquity by Strabo, Pliny, Plutarch and others through writing.

You cannot take a "local champion" view to history, culture, philology & anthropology. You consider them in a universal context, noting the local peculiarity in a comparative manner.

I'm writing all this to jolt diaspora raised people with very tenuous links of blood to Benin (without the culture) but still want to masquerade as an authority in Benin history. Under the guise of "I'm a Benin person". You have a lot more to learn about Benin.

stop trying to lie to her face and that of us all.


Oranmiyan founded his palace at Uselu, the relationship he had with the woman from Ego doesn't mean his palace was there.

notice how you didn't mention the 3rd palace( or should I say fortress) at Uselu? you mentioned Iken which the Edaiken resides, you mentioned the residence of the Iyoba. ..what about the 3rd? don't try to deceive people as if we are fools


listen! you claim oduduwa is a corruption of a bini name ...why the inconsistencies? you don't even know which name. .. is it imadoduwa or izoduwa. .. pick one cus it can't be both
also, where did the "odu" go? you only bring names with "duwa" ending. ..
when the full name oduduwa holds a significant meaning in Yoruba language

it's no shame to accept a foreign king my Edo brother! this inferiority complex is sickening


ife history as it that oduduwa aka Adimula was from the community on Ora hill before he lead a war into the main Ife consisting of 13 confederate Communes of the valley. ..nothing about bini mentioned

STFUareyouG0d:
Are you saying she'll be let off after some time? When she'll be done with and everything good about her must have been used to appease the gods? Jesu mi oooooo

That's sad. I think they should make provisions for them lifetime. Too bad

you must be gullible to believe that useless scum bag .or maybe you are just another scum!


the Arugba is sacred to osun .she must be a virgin, definitely she must marry and have children, yoruba culture will never encourage living to die childless like western culture...she stop being the Arugba when she decides to marry
nothing in her body is taken, instead she is given. .fertility and good health, and peace of mind is sure for

Aderola15:
She lives in the palace for now, when they are done using her and her tenure is over....... she's gonna leave the palace for the next Arugba and end up being a beggar, that's how they finish their life cycle most times

look at this shameless liar. lying for Jesus. it is your life that will be finished. wishing evil on a young girl because she honors her ancestors and practice her culture. it's you that will not succeed and turn into a beggar.

Aderola15:
They finished her big time oooo and the girl is young and beautiful.

another stupid slave. a young girl honors her ancestors and follows her destiny. ..you raise curses and Ill wishes upon her. you are so evil you Christians and Muslims you deserve no kindness or good with such disgusting thoughts

prophetfire:
why is your Oshogbo river that you worship not making you to compete likewise? instead it has made you hungry and your govt incapable of paying salaries.that's why no one would invest in the useless festival.

is osun the national Patron of Nigeria? when did the Senate or president consider Osun in state policies? don't blame the minority traditionalists for the problems caused by the majority christians and Muslims. .. you are stuupid to blame us.

all the money put into sponsoring hajj and trips to Israel they are not used for sensible things like paying up salaries... go blame ur stupid Jesus

prophetfire:
you call me idiot you deranged idol worshipper. well you and your useless idols were defeated and enslaved by people whose God was superior and authentic and they have taken over your pathetic lands,sacked your useless idols, priests and worshipers and built churches there. shows how useless you and your idols are.

Yes cus you are nothing better than an iidiot. listen! you are also a bastard and a mental slave. . I don't mean it as an insult but I'm being perfectly honest with you


you insult your ancestors, you hate your culture, and run after the trash of Arabs, Jews and Europeans, carrying their beliefs even more seriously than they do
you are what I call you.


foolish! go learn african history boy, go learn how developed we were, in areas of medicine and physiology, societal peace and morality, fitting infrastructure for the time, cosmology....Europeans envied our standard and sought after its destruction. ..first they took advantage of our tolerance and friendship to deceive gullible women into Christianity who then inducted their little children.
you stay behind a computer talking thrash as if you know anything about africa. stuupid fool

prophetfire:
no wonder the bible says that they that worship idols are like the idols. deaf
dumb. blind and without brain
that's why you remain backward

backwards?! are you better than him or me, or anyone defending african culture?

as fools that swear to Jehovah yet u rape children, hate your blood, steal public funds, never invest in what can push africa forward. .. and you expect to be advanced? ode osi... u see how foolish you were born?

fhemmii:
Still believing in small gods and goddess in these 21st century,i pray that Almighty God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob,He that created the heaven and everything underneath,He that says "let there be and there was".The God that met with Saul will surely meet with everyone of them in Jesus name...

you are very stuupid. it's ur mad Jehovah that is small and powerless.... what am I even saying? that mad thing only exists in ur deranged enslaved minds. ..even Europeans that gave u that deity have stopped worshiping it knowing how useless and non existent it really is

before ur mad Jehovah was invented by the Jews and Romans the heavens above existed. brainless dumb fuvk

sats:
You sabi curse o, na your talent? You see that transformer for una area Go hug am

Lame brained slave

sats:
My people are fetish, embrace Jesus, thats why he came, so you dont have to any river goddess and nobody has to rugba

your people? who are your people?
you are a lost soul you dumb fuvk go look for your people in the middle east

an African black man worshipping dead Jews. .. curses upon the black race smh

prophetfire:
yes I would do so. remember we are talking about marketing. theirs would yield return on investment while this African idolatrous cultures that have kept Africa in the dark would make one poorer than he was. I believe African idols and their cultural practices are useless. it has not uplifted Africa but has made it land of suffering.

iidiot. before the evil called Christianity came to Africa, blacks were living in the glory days.
we had empires and great kingdoms that rivaled Europe

africa became land of suffering when we lost our identity - by worshipping dead Jews like gay Jesus and mad Jehovah

Virus777:
So? What do I need the rubbish picture for? Because she's a white skin? Smh!

Showing me the picture of a woman who worshipped a demon for 40 years will not validate the whole fetish religion one bit. For all you know, that woman is in hell fire right now receiving her retribution.

The so called holy spirit is the only demon in this world - look how it has sucked out the good parts of your brain
a black man insulting a highly revered african ancestor is less than a monkey. .. no wonder other races threat us less than animals

fiizznation:
These guys always find one way or another to bring the president into their mess. Was buhari the person that brought modu-sheriff to PDP and made him the national chairman? Anyone who knows sheriff well knows the man is a complete troublemaker. You PDP guys thought you can use and dump him like a sack of rotten onions. You PDP guys made him chairman of your party so that he can settle some of yours debts with his own pocket money, and after he settled some of your debts, you guys wanted to play a very fast one on him.

I still don't understand why the PDP are calling the president's name into their disagreements. We all heard how the ekiti man and his rivers counterpart were singing the praises of modu-sheriff when he was technically brought in to lead the party to the 'promise land'. Now nobody talks about the ekiti man or the rivers man again, all we are awash with from the PDP guys are 'buhari, APC, military regime, dictatorship' and some other irrelevant nonsense.

The sorry situation of the PDP can be liken to a man who married an unfaithful lady as a wife even when he knows the lady isn't loyal. Just 2months into their wedding and the wife have started sleeping around with his neighbors and what not. Now instead of this man to blame himself for marrying an unfaithful wife even when he knows she is a hoe before he married her, No he didn't do that. Rather he started blaming his office colleagues for his predicament and miscalculation. The man even blamed his grandfather in the village for his woes.

I really don't know why people are overjoyed or pained by this information

what's the big deal about seeking to run for elections into a town council?
maybe the exaggeration by the op(Agunechemba1) is what's creating all this tension

Agunechemba1:
Meet The Nigerian Man Contesting For State Election In Germany

Mr Njoku is a Nigerian of South Eastern Origin who is running for a Public Office in Germany.

Nigerians are really making waves for themselves across the Globe.

God bless Nigeria.

that's not a state election but a member of the city council(Stadtrat), a position lesser than a mayor

Izonpikin:
what fights have you guys fought for naija??...na im we all remain where we dey...what fight?.abeg make I hear word...I am blaming the yorubas for their own stupidity ....I dey my lane...you guys have brought buhari upon yourselves. ...enjoy the old man...I am only telling you the truth...keep lining up behind tinubu. ... ...slaves for the North. ...

I guess that makes igbos former slaves of the north. and current slaves of the Ss
1960 you allied with the north, that continued many years. ..extending to decades even after the civil war. first northern/west alliance in the history of Nigeria is 2015 we won't hear word because you can't respect others
you have been the "slaves" throughout history of Nigeria, when have you stood on your grounds alone? never! always looking for someone to cling to and fight your own battle. . you are very stuupid not to have realized that

btw how alliances is slavery to you beats me. smh for Nigeria, with people like you who claim to have all the answers and know all the right, yet are too powerless to do anything more than complain

Collynzo888:
The jobless oaf must be a primary school kid, posting senseless rants everywhere. This forum is now something else. What a shame

it's a pity really, these are the type of people we have in millions all over the country

Izonpikin:
guy na slavery ona dey so..abi you no know??...fight for restructuring you guys hide behind tinubu...fight for regionalism you guys hide behind osibanjo...bit look...The north are exploring for oil and already have a northern development company to that effect with northern governors doing their thing...you guys should better take an everlasting stand for what is right...

Thank you...

ignorant mumu.


why didn't you fight for the restructuring? all the fights yoruba have done for Nigerians is enough, yorubas have been the only one pushing for restructuring in form of regionalism while igbos pursue presidency it's time to be selfish
u want restructuring? fight for it
be useful and stop blaming yoruba for your stupidity and powerlessness. if you are looking for an ally in Yoruba to help champion that movement, insults will never get you that, therefore you will forever remain where you don't want to be - hence being the slaves of Nigeria

Izonpikin:
...what a good one...if oil is found and produced it would be for everyones good...but let the north not forget the middle belt and the south west that has slaved for them all along... ...

When has the SW ever slaved itself to anybody? you fools just like talking thrash. education in nigeria is dead. ..it's obvious with people like you

leksy07:
A preacher with the Winners Chapel Church at Adesanmi area of Ile-Ife, Osun State on Saturday August 13 beat a Muslim lady for refusing to accept Jesus.

It was learnt that the Christian evangelist had gone to the compound of the Muslim lady to preach when she beat her.

According to eyewitnesses, the Hijab lady refused to come out when the preacher initially knocked on her door.

The iWitness NG gathered that after the Hijab sister was lobbied to come out of the room, she was allegedly cursed and subsequently beaten.

A resident of the area narrated, “It happened on Saturday morning in our hostel. There is one Hajia that stays in my compound. We just saw blood all over her face with a lot of marks.

“What happened was that someone came to preach to her to accept Christ and attend a church programme and she rejected. The preacher was shouting from outside but Hajia told her that she wasn’t interested. Hajia later told her that she is a Muslim.

“Instead of the preacher to leave her alone, she intensified the preaching and kept shouting. Hajia later came out in her Muslim cloth (Jalbab). When the preacher saw her in full Muslim gown, she started abusing her the more that ‘I don’t know it is people like you, you this masquerade, you better accept christ as your lord and saviour or you will go to hell fire’.”

“The Hajia got vexed and went inside back. Yet, the preacher did not leave. Hajia had to come out for the second time to ask the preacher to leave her alone. Yet, the preacher still didn’t leave. As Hajia wanted to return to her room, the preacher dragged Hajia close to her and started hitting her to accept Christ. Hajia face was later filled with blood and marks.”

Another neighbour explained that despite being injured, Hajia ran after the preacher but was persuaded by some Christians.

He added, “I saw Hajia running after the preacher. The preacher held a girl with her but later told the girl to run to church. After a while, the preacher entered a house and Hajia still followed her. In the house, the preacher ran into a room but Hajia insisted she comes out. She shouted until people in the house came out. They saw Hajia injured and pleaded with her.”

However, it was gathered that the Imam of a ratibi (small) mosque at Olubuse Street, Ile-Ife later intervened.

When he intervened, the imam, it was learnt traced the Church of the preacher in the company of a police officer.

“When they got to the Church, they didn’t meet the preacher. Members of the church initially said they didn’t know her until Hajia pointed to the girl that the woman came with to her house.

“They later called their pastor, who apologised on the lady’s behalf,” Muhammed, one of the Muslims at Olubuse Street added.

The iWitness NG also gathered that the case was reported at the Moore Police Station, Ile-Ife and the Chairman of Oduduwa Estate Community, Alhaji Balogun also intervened.

When iWitness NG correspondent went to observe Ishai in a mosque at Oduduwa Estate, Olubuse Street on Sunday, the imam said, “As an update, we have resolved the matter. We were at the Police station this evening and the Christians agreed that they were faulty, pleaded with us and paid the hospital bill for the treatment of the Muslim lady injured.”

The officer said the affected Muslim lady identified as Shakira studies at the Faculty of Education, Obafemi Awolowo University, Ile-Ife.

“We have resolved the issue and proper settlement already took place,” the officer said.



http://www.iwitness.com.ng/winners-chapel-preacher-beats-muslim-lady-for-refusing-to-accept-christ/

violent evil religions

she's not bad but I won't say "adorable"