₦airaland Forum

dblackninja:
Hahaha my brother, just trying to follow them step by step chaa..but once it begins to go in circles, that's when I pull out.

At least we have ascertain that Africans worship idols and have cancelled the claim that Africans (those invovled) don't worship it.

do you worship the Nigerian flag?

Reyginus:
Lololol. Ignorance is a disease. Is this the new definition of dogma? Lol.

you are the ignoramus here

try to be willing to learn something new

dblackninja:
Very funny guy
Resorting to ad hominem again #smh
Very funny for someone who claims he argues to learn and teach.

na you sabi...i wasn't trying to be funny. when you choose to hold on to your perception even after admitting ignorance what again is there to discuss?

Wyttcat:
You are now sounding like a girl, a little girl and what a shame! is it your ghost I'm quoting? It takes two to tango. T'ina o ba tan l'ori, eje o le tan l'ekana.

Typical, the word you just learnt the meaning and pronunciation right here on nairaland is the same word I should break down for you.

Your hand is being cut and you are saving a ring, what use is the ring when your hands are gone?

Your Adimu with (high octave)you are talking about is different from the Yoruba Adimula (low octave)which every Yoruba child has heard from elders.

Your analogy is like saying 'entering IGBODU means going to igboland." You are wrong and you know it, just admit it like a man if you have any dignity left and give it up.

Even if I'm one of those "my pastor says," robot, you won't be a contender even in my worst day. But have on good authority that only men that can't get girls in real life run after girls online.

good, they are different words, I've given mine now give yours
so the "learning" can be complete. someone said Adimu relates to wrestling. ..how can you break down the word to show its relationship with the act of wrestling?

Its really not complicated. just say you cant do it and we move on

run after girls online? you the one chasing me for months....i wonder why

dblackninja:
This is what happens when someone sees everything written in the religion section as an argument to be won.

Please defer from using that sort of line because it actually doesn't help..be it in a debate/argument, discussion, meeting, etc.
I have used that, can still use it and I can tell you that ad hominems just leads to a superiority complex, nothing more.

This brings me to what my bible told me. You can NEVER win an argument. How? Let's see:

--Shutting someone up in argument doesn't indicate a win. For where!, the argument actually ended up with each of you feeling even more convinced than ever that you're absolutely right. It's just your mind that gives you the elavated position.

--Convincing someone, to the point of agreeing with you on the subject as well gives a pseudo win.
How can you actually win someone who agrees with you

I am a dibia on my own, doubt at your peril

i dont argue to win. i argue to learn and teach. you dont know yet you dont want to know, so why should i waste my time?

dblackninja:
Hmmm! Okay let's use your second



Did you actually see where someone is written in that definition or do you just see religion as an organised something (like an organized crime).
This is where our problem actually lies because you don't see an individual as being religious but only some group of people with same belief. Please read those definitions again.

Now to the Aborishas, I don't know whether you also relate it as being similar to babalawos/dibias like FOLYKAZE said, because if you do, and still tell me that they not serious about devotion, then you're being insincere and I don't know where we're heading.
Unless your own definition is different..if it is then state it, if not then we can wave this topic goodbye.

mr. im done with you... you have admitted you dont know this very topic we are discussing. so even if Im wrong theres no way i would take lectures from you on a topic you dont know a thing about

Wyttcat:
Are you slow? Someone has taught you right here what Adimula pronunciation and meaning are, make do with that for now, it's quite a jump from thinking it meant covering nose to where you now know it's not. Abinibi yato si Abiility.

this one will not leave me o

ordinary break down of a yoruba word she cannot do na to claim abinibi abinibi is not by mouth

if I tell you adimu is covering nose, that is still correct in a break down of the word -di- cover, imu - nose. .. help my brother 9jacrip finish it by giving us the etymology as it relates to wrestling? just say you cannot, it's no shame

Wyttcat:
If one can type while sleeping, it's possible with comatose too, hehehe!

Crush on your moniker? Not only crush na crunch!

then why can't you leave me alone? did your pastor drop a name that sounds like my moniker to you as your future husband?

dblackninja:
Okay.
What happens to the definition of Google which I quoted before and also that from the dictionary saying that religion means:

▪The belief in and worship of a supernatural controlling power, especially a personal god or gods.
▪ Any practice that someone or some group is seriously devoted to.

Are babalawos/Aborishas not practing that thing above?

to the first: No!

the second: that is when religion is made out of African elements of spirituality like Isese, but Aborisha/Isese is not about serious devotion in itself, it's about appreciation of nature and self identity
it is from that point that the words "religiosity, religiously etc come from

when you understand the word "religiosity" you might understand all I've been saying as well

dblackninja:

I don't know who Aborishas are or of their activities. Maybe they are elders of a society or law makers in a kingdom...but I know who babalawos are, called dibias in my region. They and their followers worship idols...Are they religious??

you don't know something, you know you are ignorant yet you argue about what you don't know...smh. ..is it not craziness? or what do you think?

I doubt you know babalawos or even dibias. ..I'm sure what you think you know is what nollywood and churches tell you

Reyginus:
What's this? In what way? Your definition says Religion is a set of dogmas relating to the divine. Belief is a dogma and you accept your faith relates with the divine. What else can it be?

Belief is not dogma. A dogma is a belief. ..please spot the difference.


faith? wtf has any of this got to do with faith?

dblackninja:
Very funny guy
Poor defence for a claim anyway.

if you choose to keep to what you've always believed despite all efforts to enlighten you. .not my fault

dblackninja:
People sef

you just have your mind set on having your own perception. you are free, not like I can force you out of your ignorance

dblackninja:
Okay Catholics deceive themselves by saying that those idols are not worshipped but used for intercession. They are just using it as an excuse to justify what they are doing-- (was once one of them and can prove anytime any day that they don't worship it..lol )

Imagine some one praying in front of the idol mary today and tomorrow claims that the idol wept and cured him/her...And someone at the back will be saying it isn't worship..that's ridiculous at best

Maybe you can peep into any dictionary you have or Wikipedia and tell me what they say about worship.

ok

Farmerforlife:
Islam is not in need of us, we are in need of it. If you renounce it, it is your loss, not ours. We really couldnt care less.
Take care.

what would you say if islam holds only about 100 believers?

would you feel islam still doesn't need to expand?

dblackninja:
Am So confused, If that thing carved or molded is a representative image of Orisa, and that carved thing is neither venerated nor worshipped but used in veneration of that same carved thing (which represents Orisa).. I don't quite follow.

In one scene you're saying its neither worshipped nor venerated
In another scene, you're saying the same thing is used to venerate itself

Let's move away from isese and talk about catholicism then

in catholic homes and churches there are images of Mary, Jesus, angels and saints. .. are these images being worshipped when prayers are done in front of them?

bingbagbo:
JESUS CHRIST IS the only way to salvation
Reject him is to condemn yourself to eternal damnation

Again... Stop quoting the Bible to support your doctrines
How can you support your doctrines with a document you disbelieve?

You may sound wise to yourself but judgment awaits you

You say there is no creator and expect me to believe that this huge organised well - designed universe just existed on its own

You say the Bible is a lie yet you are constantly quoting to validate your lies

Hell awaits you

Destruction awaits you

God has extended his hand for your free redemption but you say No
Warning to you all

Atheists
Muslims
Jehovah witnesses
Catholics
Budhists
Satanists
Fetishists
Lukewarm Christians
Everyone

Christians , Muslims are Fetishists


it's amazing that you include Jehovah witness, so they are going to hell too
even after believing in Jesus. .. I guess Jesus isn't so relevant for the heavenly race after all

igbos are finished

they are losing their identity

dblackninja:
Hehehe Wow I don't know this will reach this stage, but let's continue chaa.
Now let's be clear on some things.. I believe we know what the term Idol means...

-What do Africans do exactly with idols?
-Do they have idols at all?

idols are representative objects used for veneration and adornment
an Idol of Sango( Ere Sango) is not worshipped or venerated but used in veneration as a representative Image of the Orisa. it is the Orisa that is venerated not the Ere

GooseBaba:
Revive... ..

Lolz..... It's alive and well. The assault from Mainstream media and government neglect would have you think that way. If we want it to take its rightful seat, the crown that encompasses the overall identity of a dignified african. Then yes! There's work to be done.

As a deistic traditionalist. I acknowledge the teachings of my ancestral God/Gods because it enhances my dignity and delicious pride. But the cool part is that I bow before none. And a bonified traditionalist could care less. That's the beauty of ATR

What we should revive is "dignity in self"..heritage and culture.

very correct bro.


it's not about the rituals, priestly orders etc but the culture of respect, art, family bonding, fashion, music. it's about the language, the tradition of marriage, motherhood, our laws, our history and all these things that africa is losing

the real religious aspect of Ancient african societies aren't dead(except for few african groups that have become totally islamized) or need "revival" what they need is appreciation and can only come from reviving the African culture
what needs revival is the way an african ought to behave, appreciate his identity.

when an igbo man is really proud to be igbo and knows what it is to be igbo, he doesn't need to start knocking his head and bowing in Ikenga shrine or temple every morning but he certainly won't condemn Ikenga for one dead jew

Reyginus:
Wow! So how come your definition agrees with your explanations of the contents but you still imply it is not religion?

in what way does my definition agree with it? pls go back and understand every word in my posts

dblackninja:
Hmmm so you're really serious with this thing. Lol very very funny. I don't think you know what religion means because if you do you wouldn't have this mindset. How can you say that Africans that worship and venerate idols are not religious??

it's probably only funny because you don't know a thing about the topic you are trying to discuss

Africans don't worship and venerate idols. .. look at the nonsense you just said and you think you know so much about African societies.
it is best to learn before you form an opinion

Wyttcat:
Which Adimula? The one you thought mean "the one that covers nose." You didn't know Adimula pronunciation or the meaning, and now that you were corrected here and you have gone to learn more about it, you now have something to say. That's so dumb!

ok I was wrong. .I don't wanna argue with you. Now tell me the meaning of Adimula, break it down for me in pure yoruba since yoruba is your mother tongue and not mine

Wyttcat:
Lame, maybe when you wake up from your Yoruba wannabe induced coma you are in.

how can I be in coma and be posting on nairaland. Chai!


just say you have a crush on me

piagetskinner:
What defines 'Truth'.. ?

I consider truth to be "what is, in reality"


so ur little Jewish god can be all you think it is but that is just the belief in your head... in reality it's a whole different thing

piagetskinner:
Oga ade ..u don't need to be abusive...


Not everybody that goes to church or answers a Christian name is in the reality ,a Christian ...

is it not dumb to condemn a woman for the way she's dressed rather than the way of her heart? I wasn't being abusive but honest

but all you have to do is believe in Jesus and confess him as your lord and saviour. .. belong to a church and follow the doctrine of the church as it interprets the bible
it's not complex my friend

piagetskinner:
They obviously were not trained up in the way of the Lord.

By the way... I don't serve a god(gods are helpless,crafted by human hands, numb, neither speak nor reason )

I serve a living GOD who crafted the universe just by speaking...who gave u and I life.. Not science or evolution He is the Alpha and Omega... Beginning and the End !He was present before time and will be present even after time


Which god can beat that?

this is just your belief... doesnt make anything you've said true

piagetskinner:
I hope he's trained up in the way of the lord

same lord that left him for dead? the woman who saved him is probably what you will call "satanic" because of the way she's dressed

piagetskinner:
God can use anybody even a scantily dressed tattooed woman

same woman you would condemn for dressing scantily and having tattoos


you dumb Christians even go to the extent of embarrassing women in public for wearing trousers

solemate:
Its time for NDA and IPOB turn this wars against these herdsmen, as it stands now, Buhari is not interested in curbing the herdsmen activities in Ibo land. it seems he is always happy seeing blood sucking demons unleash terror on innocent farmers in south east.

NDA have no business with Enugu. . ipob should defend their land

Reyginus:
Don't rush it. Is a belief a dogma or not?

no it is not. .but a dogma is a belief

Reyginus:
Very good. We'd get there. Does ATR deal with beliefs?

Yes because ATR is everything african which includes the beliefs of the African people. And how does dealing with beliefs make anything a religion?

do you really want to say now that everything that holds a "belief" is a religion?

Reyginus:
Is something wrong with your eyes? Lol. These people. You define Religion as an institution of dogmas relating to the Divine and I ask if ATRs relate with the Divine? What's so hard here to answer?

you don't get it. you claim to have a question based on the earlier definition of religion. ..but you only pick one part and throw the other part away making your question not at all based on the definition but from your own head

what made you not ask; is ATR a set of dogmas?

but I'll answer just to see where you're going with this;
of course What you call ATR relates with the divine

Just like the Greek society had everything relating to the Divine, only certain cult members practiced religion and not the entire society