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Reyginus:
Deism? With all that worship? Or is it meditation for enlightenment? But now your brother says this God is not real but only a kind of raising of our consciousness, can it still be deism?

As in, a belief that raising my consciousness to the highest or higher level of awareness is a belief in a supreme God that doesn't even interfere in my daily affair?

you don't know Deism either?
and you just thought I used "Deism" to refer to Isese. .. smh you really need help

Reyginus:
But I never said an institution is a Religion but a religion qualifies as an institution where your definition of Orisha falls in line with Religion.

Back to the question. You defined Religion as a set of institutions or institution with a dogma relating to the divine. Orisha as an established practise fits our second definition of institution from Wikipedia. A dogma is a set of beliefs which you also claim to have in Orisha. You also accept Orisha is divine.

Where then is the problem? I cannot say your Orisha worship is a Religion and be wrong based on the above submissions you've made. Except you'd say that your definition of Orisha and/or Religion was wrong in the first place. Then we would have to commence another round of cross-examination.

you didn't need to say it in those exact words
here is what you said ; " Orisha worship fits into a description of an institution, and thus a Religion"

So with this it's clear you think (or thought) institutions are religions



sharrap! I defined religion "an institution of dogmas relating to the Divine" not an institution with dogmas. .. please go and learn English. ..there's a difference between both which changes a lot. you really don't know anything

and no matter how you fix the word "institution" or "belief" into Orisa worship, you still fail cause Orisa worship has no dogmas


please remember I said Orisha worship is not religion but religion can be made out of it

Reyginus:
But everything you've explained fits into the idea of Religion. Do you agree with Folykaze that Orisha is a state of consciousness. A kind of Buddha- like awareness? And now I'm wondering what exactly is the 'worship'.

everything I've explained is the exact opposite of what you are seeing. .. delusional?


Yes he is right, especially when you concentrate on the philosophy of Ori

Reyginus:
Lololol. Macof, please why are you doing this to me? The point is, by your definition of Religion, Orisha worship fits into a description of an institution, and thus a Religion. That is, by your definition. Let me also remind you that our earlier definition of institution considers 'any law or practise'.

so any institution is a religion? damn! and he thinks he has a functioning brain

LesbianBoy:
Just Negodu! How can a LOOSE GIRL be giving 'advice' to her fellow ladies

maybe she has learnt her lesson and repented... how better to give advice than one who has been there and out

Reyginus:
Lol. I will not let you escape.
So a concept is divine and is with belief but it's not a religion?

Deism fits this, and is not a religion

Reyginus:
Lololol. But I've never done so here na. My oy grouse with these guys is saying their Orisha, Iseele or whatever they want to call it is not a Religion? Do you agree with that nonsense considering what Religion really means?

And you think you know Aborisa so well, more than those exposed to it... craziness


you don't know what religion really means, don't delude yourself

Reyginus:
Lol. Religion is not an institution? You guys need some Grey Matter. See what I'm arguing.

See, soon I won't be able to take your cognitive disorders anymore


I never said Religion is not an institution. ..
I asked you, how does Institution = religion?

quid:
The yeye oba helped to put you in chains

but everyone is saying Ambode is doing well.

Ikeg48:
Na yoloba wey dey NL dey cry and whine about the "high bride price" of Igbo women....na only una a dey cry finish and this one is talking about "free". . Abeg, I see this your hallucinations are psychosis induced. Chei

Not only are we slowly creating Arochukwu 2.0 und faces, we are even taking una money while doing it. And still despite the whinning, you steal kill eachother to get to Igbo women.

yes you Demand high bride price but yoruba guys take your daughters anyway....and they go make yoruba kids

yorubas don't fight over a woman. ..come on, much less igbo women that throw themselves at almost every yoruba guy

quid:
Oba Akiolu was wetting his pants when he remembered that 50% of Lagos is Igbo

but 50% igbos had to succumb to the threats of an Oba of the minority group? (since yoruba cannot be up to 50% if we go by your statistics)


brave indeed.

Ikeg48:
If only wishes are dreams. My sister finds you niggas ugly so I don't see them with any of una.

And I'm 23 years old nigga. I ain't got no kid and if I did, my child won't even be 10 years old yet and you already salivating for am. Chei. Pedophile. Tufiakwa

oh shut up. . as if you don't wanna have daughters some day. . Igbos like having daughters in hopes of collecting dowry only to be disappointed by the girl who starts living with a yoruba guy free of dowry

fuckDmod:
they call us yoruba demon/ but there gals spread dere legs for us like rumour/


Ya feel my rhyme

It is only Yoruba guys that would take their daughters and not drop kobo as dowry or even come for introduction


only Yoruba guys igbo girls chase around Lagos

Yoruba guys now use and dump igbo girls and they still go for more Yoruba guys

quid:
^^ Continue day-dreaming
Until Lagos becomes an Igbo state 100%

same Lagos a statement by Oba akiolu got you all wetting your pants and voting for Ambode? it was that easy for "brave" igbos to be defeated during the elections

Ikeg48:
Last i checked, it was YOUR people on NL who kept narrating he claims Igbo and saying "we won't vote for him". Him twist una mouth finish and bow story don change

I see you

just watch your sisters and daughters. ... they are about to be knocked up by a yoruba guy close to you and make more Yoruba kids

quid:
You dont seem to realize how easy it is to learn Yoruba

Yes. learn yoruba, live amongst yorubas, bear yoruba kids and watch a slow ending of the Igbo nation

Ikeg48:
If only dreams can be wishes.

Anyway, thank you though with the Igbo takeover. After all, all those half igbo/half yoruba kids whose mom are igbo always go back to igboland or neigboring tribes like ibibio to marry. Lmfaoooooo. By the time we are done with una, we'll have another Arochukwu in the heartbeat of Yoloba land

Like the fulani has an EMIR in Yoloba land. One of those half yoruba, half a igbo would add an Eze in Yoloba land soon. Arochukwu 2.0 loading

was that comedy @ will always go back to igboland?

come lemme introduce you to my cousins, as I don't need to look far. they can't say one sentence of igbo but can write a yoruba dictionary


even the so called emir is yoruba blood and spirit. .. he can't say one word of fulbe or have any fulani culture


fear yoruba culture. come close and be Yorubanized

Ikeg48:
It's slowly starting

Isn't that Nollywood movie star, wetin be his name again, who's mom is igbo, who has never claimed yoruba but igbo until last year when he ran for political post in Lagos I believe. Didn't he win? Wetin be his name again?

Slowly and slowly e dey happen

Arochukwu 2.0

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when did Elliott ever claim igbo? that people "assumed" he was igbo doesn't make him igbo... he never even claim igbo
he acted all indifferent towards ethnic divides


igbos can be foolish ehn see what he thought to say

Ikeg48:
So I asked a question for Yoloba to name the tribes they defeated at war since they've been chest beating about it for months now, instead of them to answer it, they ran from it and opened this thread. ROTLMFAOOOOOOOOO.

Oh since they ran from my thread, make I ask it on this one. What tribes did yoloba fought a war with by themselves and win against?

read the op again

legendte:
War is not all about gun shots. We have economic wars, emotional wars, e wars like the one you are fighting. An average Nigerian knows that Igbos are brave. Nigeria won the civil war but believe me, Igbos have conquered Nigeria in every aspect of human life here in Nigeria. Same way the Jews are conquering America and are hated. Igbos have conquered Nigeria and Africa. Igbos own over 45% of properties in Abuja and Lagos. It is a pure fact. Igbos have established themselves in Lagos to the extent of winning a seat in the national assembly. It is called bravery. Politically we produced the first president of Nigeria and the first military head of state. We have properties all over Nigeria despite the setback during the war. Awolowo must be so pained in grave for not testing the biggest political post in this land. Anambra state alone has the highest human resources in the country. Igbos are just everywhere. sports, music, nollywood, business, academics and of course making money. I am sure the landlord of this pained op is from Igbo. Better go hustle because month go soon end ooo.

dreams dreams

quid:
Igbos taking over lagos slowly in the mean time

igbos are fast being Yorubanized... Igbos now pray in Yoruba language
igbo girls are now having children for yoruba guys

you are only adding to the yoruba nation

Realman87:
I am not igbo and I will tell you one FACT. You Yorubas have complex problem. The Yorubas are Intimidated by the Igbos. The Yorubas know that the Igbo will outshine and outclass them in every field of human endeavour. To hide their inferiority, The yorubas try to hold the Igbos down, they also love to hate the igbos. Forget about War, online bashing will never end until Yorubas admit the Superiority of the IGBOS. And am not Igbo.

dreams

kernel501:
Kwara use to have Obas, but it wasn't a Yoruba state, l guess... Igbo state. Today they have Emirates, the Emirs, so your people betrayed your there own to the North?

oh shut up dummy


there's only one known emir in kwara but countless Obas


Ilorin is just one town, and kwara is not exclusive to Yorubas. .. nupe and Bariba have their ancestral lands

in fact yoruba extended to kwara initially by defeating the Bariba and Nupe and taking their lands

IamMissMarvel:
That white woman in aso oke. Na Yoruba woman she be too?

that's the wife of Baba Wande Abimbola, a Famous Babalawo the Awise Agbaye of Ifa

Wyttcat:
A student like you is suspended and expelled from school, you are a lost cause.

You have been exposed as everything that's wrong with the world.

ok. run along now

Wyttcat:
Same old roller coaster.

You have been busted, admit it and move on! Forget what Adimula is related to. The basic are the pronunciation and the meaning, and you failed both. You got to sit before stretching both legs. Give it up, this shows you are unprincipled and frustrated.

If exposing you means I'm chasing you then many of you here will either have to start telling the truth or deal with it. I will continue to hold you liars' feet to fire. I'm not going to stop pointing out inconsistency wherever I find one.

you don't know it. .self acclaimed teacher has failed and cannot admit it

expose me for what again?

Reyginus:
English is a really a problem here. What's an institution? Lol. Let me answer before he twists it.

Wikipedia where are thou:

'1. an organization founded for a religious,
educational, professional, or social
purpose.

2. an established law or practice.

3. the action of instituting something'


So your orisha worship or whatever you call it is still not an Institution

this is irrelevant.

how does an institution = religion
this is how you intentionally twist my words

Reyginus:
Lolololol. By whose definition? Maybe a little education will do. A dogma is also an opinion. It's also a statement. It's also a principle. The principal thing that makes a thing a dogma is that it is considered true regardless of any evidence for or against it.

You see, when you yap like the above you reduce a complex thing to a simple wrong thing. You can say a belief is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a statement is a dogma and you'd be right. You can say a principle is a dogma and still be right. Do you get the point now?

Let me use an analogy. A watering can is a farm instrument. A hoe is a farm instrument. A sickle is a fishing instrument but you can't say an instrument is a sickle. Or that an instrument is a watering can. You can't say an instrument is a hoe. Do you understand now?

folykaze abeg how can this boy be helped from his cognitive problems?


you are telling me what I've been telling you @ emboldened.

lemme give you another analogy. ..

Fanta is liquid but Liquid is not Fanta

Belief: A feeling that something is true/exists
Dogma: a belief held by a group or organization which others are expected to accept without argument

I swear if you still come back to tackle this issue of belief and dogma, you need to go for therapy

dblackninja:
That's the sad thing, that's why I talked about an argument in the morning.
Well from what I have seen, I believe the problem is English. Oyibos are just wicked by bringing a difficult language to us Well because they feel they are smart, we gonna interpret it anyhow we like

then you should improve your knowledge of the lexicon of the English language. try getting the etymology of the words you are trying to understand as well as the way it was used by the native speakers of the language the word comes from

I've noticed you have a problem with English, you are a novice in philosophy as well.

Reyginus:
Lol. I don't know if this argument is peculiar to proponents of ATR. Waiting for Macof to tell me that a belief is not a dogma.

stop trying to Insult me. you have never been exposed to ATR, you don't even have one traditionalist you can inquire from

I've told you before and I'll say it again... emboldened this time

BELIEF IS NOT DOGMA, A DOGMA IS A BELIEF if you can't understand this then you have cognitive problems

dblackninja:
Me? Hell no!

The Nigerian flag is to Nigerians what an Ere Orisa is to an Isese adherent

so if Nigerians cannot say they worship the flag no matter how devoted they are to the State, it's only logical to say the same concerning the idols no matter how devoted they are to the Orisa

FOLYKAZE:
where did he accept that belief is dogma?

I don't know for the guy o

he keeps saying I said belief is dogma even after correcting him 2 times

some people just allow vain pride lead them to reject knowledge. .. what is the big deal about Taking time to research the concept of religion hence learning a new thing? instead of arguing blindly with someone who has