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9jacrip:
Brilliant thought.

In addition to that, Macof, apart from assessing both kingdoms from the political; let us look into the dimension of military & trade.

Every other Yoruba town generally agreed never to attack Ife no matter how mighty they might become - this also goes with trade, Ife's trade route or encroachment was always given a 'pass'.

The town that tried to break the two oaths above was totally crushed and left scattered all over Yoruba land - Owu.

If Benin crown was not an off shoot of Ife, they would have long attacked Ife land and trade from the East. Benin was powerful in the East, it engaged Owo, Akure and some Ekiti towns a few times within the context of military and trade; Benin totally left Ife route and lands untouched even though it had the military to.

In fact, when Benin king had contact with the Portuguese, Ife was the first place he sent the message of the news and gifts to before other Yoruba kings.

Yes yes. I've always thought about this
Bini empire was very ambitious with plans to extend to the north through Ekiti and the west through the coastal areas of Yorubaland but they never clashed with Ife or had any course to disturb the Ooni..they even avoided countries with boarders with Ife like Ijesa.


another thing of note is that the Oba of Benin's final burial rites were done in Ife. .. like Businessideas said; the Yoruba ancestors(which includes the early Obas at Benin who saw themselves as Yoruba men lording over a foreign culture) were smart to mandate the tradition so as to make a statement to all generations, suspecting controversy might occur over the origin of the dynasty.

we might also like to note the close relationship between the early Obas at Bini and Ife, for instance the bronze casters family in Bini was sent from Ife on request by Oba oguola

I believe before the time of Oba Ewuare the Great who expanded Bini into a small empire, Obas in Bini used to pay tributes to the Ooni.

it's no wonder that Ooni is called Oghene...which happens to be one of the appellations of God in Edoid languages

I've been saying that the Oba family will be put to shame by the Ogiamien family who are the descendants of the Ogiso.


Imagine what inferiority complex and slave - master relationship with the Oba has driven Bini people to? thank goodness the Ogiamien family - the true custodians of the Ogiso heritage - have never allowed themselves to be corrupted by the mental disease called inferiority complex. ..look at how they are still proud and challenge the fallacies of the Omon'Oba and his puppet chiefs who don't know any history. .. Imagine one said in response to the Alake "Oba of Benin is the father of Ooni" how can? when Eweka I the first Oba of Benin was son of Oramiyan, the 6th Ooni?

I blame inferiority complex

– Ogiamien family insists that the Oba of Benin signed a treaty that made him a tenant
– Royal family adds that the Oba’s family are from Ile Ife
– Accuses the Oba family of distorting history

The Ogiamien family may have created a major controversy with its recent stand that the family of the Oba of Benin are tenants in the kingdom who were given a special privilege by the Ogiamien family.
There has been a seeming unending supremacy battle between the oba’s family and that of the Ogiamien.


As preparations commence for the installation of Eheneden Erediauwa, the crown prince of the kingdom, that long rivalry has again reared its head.
This time, the Ogiamien family are kicking against a report, weeks ago, that allegedly paints them in bad light and seems to give the oba an edge over the family which claims to be the original owner of the traditional institution in the state.
The aggrieved family said the oba exists based on a treaty agreed to by Ogiamien Erebo and Oba Eweka 1 and formally adopted by Ogiamien Ode and Oba Ewedo in 1255AD.
It reads that every Oba of Benin had complied with this treaty.
Oba Erediauwa who just passed on, according to the family, also complied with the treaty after it was re-enacted by Ogiamien Osarobo Okuonghae in 1979.
“The Ekiokpagha treaty is the compulsory rent a new Oba-elect must pay before he is pronounced an Oba of Benin kingdom and before he is also allowed occupation of the Benin kingdom leased to Oba Eweka 1 by Ogiamien Erebo in 12.00AD.
“Put in other words, there can never, repeat, there can never be an Oba of Benin kingdom without the Ogiamien, but there can always be Ogiamien without the Oba. This is sacrosanct.


The Ogiamien family also pooh-poohed a claim by the Oba of Benin that Oduduwa, the progenitor of the Yoruba race, migrated from Bini.
Describing the claim as completely false, it added that the Yoruba race is older than the Bini empire before the invasion.
“Oba Eweka dynasty has no relationship whatsoever with the Ogiso/Ogiamien dynasty and they are now forcing themselves into our dynasty by fraudulently claiming that Prince Eheneden Erediauwa is now the 70th ruler of Benin kingdom.
“This is completely false. They are descendants of Oramiyan,” the family said adding that to hide history, the oba dynasty stopped sending the remains of the Oba of Benin to Ile Ife upon their demise as directed by Oba Eweka 1.
The family called on Prince Eheneden to prepare for the re-enactment of the treaty with their own recognised king, Rich Arisco Osemwengie.
It also warned that any attempt to circumvent the treaty would be unacceptable.

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9jacrip, Businessideas, bokohalal, Ubenedictus

Eddygourdo:
its ur LovePeddler of a mother who hasn't got a functioning brain. Idiot .because na online abi. Dats y u spew such thrash to ur betters.

why is my post making this one drop bomb to bomb of senselessness


here's the post again. ..

why wait for death? don't you have a perfectly functioning brain to analyse things and pick out fallacies?

it's obvious from your angry outbursts that you really don't have a functioning brain to analyse things and pick out fallacies. ..and it hurts you that you don't
I pity you really

now you know my mother? you don't even know me. wtf! you must have been thinking of your mother...fortunately not all mothers are like yours.

and if it wasn't online? you would fight me?
you would kill me? look at this guy
so hilarious

Eddygourdo:
look at this dimwitted hoodrat. Look at the level of reasoning ur perfectlyy worrking brain tells you. Oya tell the world ur opinion and watch me thraash you so hard, you will deactivate today. Am wwaiting for ur half baked idiiotic thoughts on the issue. Bloody asswipe

I knew it. people who are lazy enough to say "I leave it till after I die" "i dont know, lemme die first" are worthless swines who find human life too much of a burden and are filled with so much frustration, anger and hate

just look at the insults you give in reply to an innocent comment.

Chiwude:
I understand bro. Lagos is the former capital of Nigeria and part and parcel of the larger Yorubaland. But, we should also accept the status of Lagos as a shared heritage for all Nigerians. It's our uniting factor, just as New York has become a shared heritage for all Americans and Rome for all Italians.
So Lagos can never become a complete whole if you take out the unique substance that makes Lagos what it is.
The moment you take out the diverse appeal of Lagos, it's people, attitude, culture and vibrancy, then am afraid you've killed Lagos.
Lagos is a national symbol and has come to stay just as the naira.
Accept my greetings egbon, seems you've been on sabbatical for a while.

you are right brother.


I only wish one day Lagos can be used to truly unite the entire South at least

TheFreeOne:
Afenifere and other genuine progressives are still saying same today but politicians/elites whose daily cloak are selfishness and greed will not have any of it.

Nigeria can't develop as it should with our present structure of 36 states.

https://www.nairaland.com/3073217/nigeria-north-yinka-odumakin

Afenifere have always agitated for the policies that are in line with Awolowo's ideas ie. resource control, state police etc which are perfect for Nigeria. these are honestly what we need but northerners don't fancy this idea and the south is just too divided and our politicians too selfish to push through with anything


the only reason some good for nothing so called yorubas like to bash Afenifere is because they expect Afenifere to come fed their families

Chiwude:
Let me cut you short here. Lagos as FCT never ended within the confines of the mainland. Infact Badagry division has always been part and parcel of the crown colony of Lagos from time immemorial. Ikorodu and Epe division used to be part of the western region, but Badagry division! (part Apapa, Ajeromi/Ifelodun, Amuwo-Odofin, Ojo and Badagry LGA were always part of Lagos.
Consult your history book.

this is all true but I assume you get the point he was trying to make; Lagos state of today is not Lagos - the former capital of Nigeria

medpren:
The proper question should be -between Awo and Ojukwu region which one is in perpetual servitude to the fulani?

all I know is that Enugu massacre by Fulanis wasn't in Yorubaland

political alliance with the north doesn't mean servitude. as far as Nigerian history goes, igbos have allied with the north against the west so many times. ..Awolowo always extended a hand to the east but was never supported. ..probably the only good done to him by an igbo was his release by Aguyi Ironsi

Olabestonic001:
Awo definitely saw the minds of the North and East during that rumble and he subtly supported Regionalism while not over-committing to any of the Gladiators then. Some misinformed youths always lampooned a man who from the word "go" made it clear that his region has no "military" might to get its hands soiled in a war and would rather follow events than commit blindly to either parties. He also affirmed his support for diplomacy and self-determination, the yearnings of IPOB and its sympathizers. The question is "why is he still despised by these folks?".

this is because igbos are cry babies. they never want to do anything but just complain and look for someone to blame for their stupid decisions made out of their common "chest beating" attitude

there's a man I will support for President

Eddygourdo:
Other tribes also share same views, this is something I truly believe in but my religion doesn't address.

Anyway the truth is that we all will never know which of our beliefs are fallacious till death comes knocking.

Till then..... Let me go eat ofe owerri

why wait for death? don't you have a perfectly functioning brain to analyse things and pick out fallacies?

Rip to the kabiesi.


although I'm still not sure as to who is the traditional head of aworis between Oloto and Eleko

otemanuduno:
I was a worshipper of Jehovah until 31/12/2015, but then I began to reason that it was time to stop being his worshipper because I have benefitted nothing from him from zero till 29th year of my life. And I have been entwined in poverty, earning less than #20k monthly + ridiculous problems in my life which Jehovah would always show me a vision of a woman behind my problem. Now I decided no New Year Eve, no serving all known God in d New Year. Then I said I want the real God. First I deleted all my ideas of the Bible from my head and believed that I have never known anything about any God before. Then I meditated greatly and got the answer.
Just in January, I got jobs of my heart desire worth up to #200k. my problems began to get solved yet I did not go to church (and I have never entered church) this year. The woman Jehovah said was my problem doesn't appear in my dreams anymore and I now determine the type of dream I want through the power of meditation. And Eartum the brother of Jehovah begin to appear to me everyday to reveal the truth to me. That is my testimony.

good news - you just became a prophet. ..no different from someone like Mohammed by creating a new religion

and the uc browser squirrel is busy laughing and saying "nice one"

WORDWORLD:
Will follow your rules from No. 1-7. THE HONEST TRUTH IS THAT, YOUR CHALLENGE ONLY PROVES THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING OR TOO LITTLE ABOUT ISLAM AS BEING A WAY OF LIFE THAT ENCOMPASSES ALL INCLUDING SCIENCE

Keep your fingers cross. ITS A PIECE OF CAKE.

this is no special claim as even Christians say same about Christianity and the bible.
the issue now is how we prove this claim to be true

sparrowkid:
There is a problem with this topic. Muslims do not have a figure like a Pope who is the head of all Catholics in the world. He is what he is: Dr. el-Tayeb, who is the current Grand Imam of al-Azhar - so there is no point in glamourizing what is not. Even he is not the highest authority on Islamic matters in his country not to talk of other countries. Stop misleading poor folks.

this was my thought exactly

UNECboi:
Lagos is a no man's land

like Anambra

VomeSchakleton:
Yeah! Exactly! I am happy that we are satisfied with what is ours and secure enough to admit what we borrow. No offense to yorubas reading this but it seems they have a knack for twisting and changing history and well established facts to their favor and sticking by their innovations based on what I've seen on this forum.

can you give examples of this?

9jacrip:
Oral tradition of any mode is not infallible but written record is not any better.

You make it seem like Yoruba was oblivious to writing.

Yoruba had already begun to write, ever heard of Oluorogbo & his writings? It was developing till it got altered. Ever wondered why he's regarded as 'akowe orun' the person who brought knowledge of writing? His writings are at his temple & Ooni's palace on display and being worked on to be deciphered.

You obviously do not know Yoruba history. You probably know a great deal about Arab history than the history of your own people.

Yoruba developed as an independent people with its own culture and government that dotted the map of the world at the period of Oyo. Yoruba culture is regarded as one of the highly rated cultures in the world and hotly sought after; Yoruba in every aspect was developed and I do not think there was any reason to 'adopt' from others when people adopted from us from Benin to Dahomey, to Togo and in recent times North America, Europe & Asia.

A culture that tries to kill your self identity and gives you one you're alien to, a culture that is at war with the culture of your own people, a culture that makes you think your own culture is evil, a culture that could lead you to condemn or go to war with your own people is not only a disadvantage to your own culture but to you as a person - point blank.

An example of adoped culture comparison:

We have adoped English as an official language and instruction in Education, what progress have we made thus far in inventions & discoveries - NIL.

Asians retained their language as official & for academic insteuction. What progress have they made in inventions & discoveries - you guessed right, a lot!

The same goes for India; look at them in medicine & ICT.

Same goes for the Arab world; they arenow the world's capital of tourism & crazy achitectural works.

Now, tell us about adopting a superior culture again and how it will benefit us, I am waiting.

beautiful post bro. I await his reply
although I doubt he will grace this thread with it

Karm16:
Let Ipobs/avengers try nonsense. The SW is daring them, enough of the cowardly threats from this midget tribe.

ipob is igbo. . avengers is Ijaw

different ethnic groups involved here. ..

WORDWORLD:
Here is the problem. PRIDE IN TRIBE...........doesnt avail TRUTH........."i dont understand how anybody will say yoruba tradition is irrelevant..and begin to take Arab nonsense"

We are talking ISLAM and not ARAB. Kindly understand the difference. And dont be so full of pride about what you did chose for yourself such as TRIBE. Did you chose to be Yoruba right from heaven. When it comes to GENUINE FAITH, its all about Choice based on CONVICTION and COMFIRMATION. Should never be based on birth, but on knowledge.

what is the difference between Arabized and islamized?

islam proclaims Arabic and Hebrew as divine languages.

Arab dressing is the Islamic dressing.

Arab supreme deity is the same deity of Islam.


Arab rites of pilgrimage is the same in Islam

Arab rites of marriage and women behavior/affairs is the same in Islam

everything in pagan Arab culture and traditions is the same with islam except - theology. .
even at that Arab theology is only different from islam where Pagan Arabs believe in 360 Gods, Islam believes in only one of those Gods


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what is wrong with pride in ethnic identity? yes I'm yoruba, my blood is yoruba and my Ori, my eleda has made it so


look at you! lemme tell you I was born into a family of slave minded people like you who believed so much in foreign beliefs. ..I had to find my way back to where I'm supposed to be, which has been so difficult. ..going back to my hometown to trace lineage and learn our "almost lost" heritage. so I am here by confirmation and conviction


you on the other hand are probably Muslim due to being born in an islam practicing family, a family that was most likely forced into islam by threat of violence or emotional blackmail and slander or something

hardly will you find a person who is Muslim because he decided without duress

Even if true I don't see anything wrong with this
A man is free to give his friend/family such free hand

WORDWORLD:
If it is SUBJECTIVE then its not TRUTH but FACT. Kindly understand the difference.

It was believed centuries ago that the world is FLAT even using common sense, as in observing our world we will say its flat but does that make it TRUE? With our eyes it tells us that its all FLAT land but in TRUTH it is spherical, has been spherical will remain spherical. That is the nature of TRUTH does change nor is it subjective because it can be proofed.


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and who were the people who thought the earth was flat? the same people who brought their god to you to worship claiming they knew truth. even quran claims the sun sets in a pond every evening

I'm glad Yoruba traditions never claim the earth is flat. ..rather we have it that the earth is spherical, using calabash to symbolize this. ..there's also the saying that the earth is like the moon

I don't understand how anybody will say yoruba traditional knowledge is irrelevant. ..and begin to take Arab nonsense seriously

9jacrip:
Incase any Bini or Edo person wants to claim Yoruba wasn't used in their kingdom.

Let me spam this thread with the screen shot.

Egbon mi, what book is this?

FOLYKAZE:
The only ghost I know is Ghostofsparta. He is the incarnation of Eshu.

Macof is a demon. I know that for long

something is really wrong with you.


because I refuse to join you in "fulani butt licking" am now a demon

aim5:
It doesn't affect me. Yes, I won't deny that the Nupes had a bit of a stronghold on the Northern part of Edo State, but they never had a stronghold in Esan.

good. so nupe took territory from Benin empire and they were just looking
tell ur Bini cousin to learn that

But Ogbogbodinrin was a member of Obatala's family not Oduduwa's
@9jacrip, do you know anything about Ooni Ayetise?

aim5:
You're very daft. Don't speak on things that you have no knowledge of. I'm from Ekpoma, and Ekpoma has never been conquered by the Nupes or Fulanis. The only reason why there's a tiny, minute amount of Muslims in Ekpoma and Ewu is because a tiny bit of the Islamic influence in Edo North trunked down. And even with that, the vast majority of Ekpoma people and Esan people as a whole are Christians(Catholics,Anglicans, etc.).

e pain am maybe you'll also deny and say that Nupe never conquered Owan area

Lilimax:
LIES!!!
This one na ice blocks from cold room or deep freezers. Period!
Una for show us the real rain fall where Ice block dey fall

For this kain whether wey dey hot like this for this obodo Nigeria...

It is most likely true.

ice falls in the north. ...i experienced it once in Abuja; I thought someone was throwing stones on my roof

9jacrip:
Its been a while you and I had a debate sir, I missed it.

Either Ooni is seen as a deity outside Ife or not, the reason why it is call Okanlerinwo imole is because of the Ooni.

Take out Ooni and the deities toally are 400.

200 on earth, 200 back in heaven.

We do not reference the other 200 because they remain with Olodumare.

Irun-imole means Irun-Orisa

Olodumare is not Irunmole/Orisa o Macof, that is an insult to him.

Yes yes I miss our debates

I'll look more into the matter of the 401st ..

I know Olodumare cannot be said to be among the irunmole but I was trying to bring to notice the similar nature Olodumare and the irunmole possess... unlike say, the Iwin and Emere which are totally different Spiritual entities


btw Orisa is more like a Great ancestor linked to an Irunmole