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iice:
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But i would say Omen was one of my favorite movies as a child [/color]

DeReloaded:
na me you call man, abi Max?Go and watch your obnoxious romance soap operas jare

You're a gal? Geez.

spikedcylinder:
Actually, if you think about it, Casino is a beautiful love story.

A love story?Between who and who? Sharon Stone and seedy James Woods? A beautiful love story?

Sure you love Casino. You're a guy,aren't you? They think all the blood and all the gore too cool for this world.'Look at his eye pop out!Haw haw haw.'

The Fountain? Which one's that?Is it good?
You were saying something about you and Spielberg before you became an old jaded soul, and then you didn't.

@Gamine
Yeh. Even the Malachi they keep quoting out of context has nothing to do with Christians,but was a message to the entire nation of Israel through prophet Malachi in old testament times. How ya been?

KunleOshob:
@Madmax
I am really happy for you that your eyes have now opened.

Oh they're still closed about lots of things. But that tithing is unChristian I've known for several years. First came across it in The Foolishness of God by Paul Aribisala.

away4real:
My brother seek God for yourself and have your own personal convictions/revealations then only then would you not be moved by every wind of doctrine.  STAND.

It's really sweet of you to look out for him like that. 

Why didn't the court declare whoever the winner was, instead of anothe election in so volatile a state. What guarantees are there that the elections won't turn violent, that people can leave the safety of their homes to go and vote for whoemever they wanted? The courts should've declared a winner jare, like in Ondo state.

The three Hank movies there were magical,no? You[i] liked[/i] Casino? Haven't seen In Bruges Or Vicki Christina Barcelona. Are they good? What are they about? I'm almost afraid to ask: Did Cruz earn that Oscar?

Kx:
Pls does all these movies have action?I mean the Sharon Stone kind of action in Basic Instinct.

24 Season 5 on DVD. Not bad. Irritating US president though.

Judas was merely one factor in a series of events that culminated in the death of Christ.There are Sanhedrin and Pharisees and Pilates and Roman soldiers and the Jewish crowd baying for his blood.The religious council that said his tomb must be super-sealed so his disciples woudn't go and steal the body, and then start shouting that he'd risen. In fact, the council went and sealed the tomb themselves, as it was too important a task to trust to anyone else.(Matthew 27:62-66)

No one denies that the mechanical process of his death was agonising. In the flesh, when the time came,he knew what was going to happen, and wondered if this 'cup' might not pass from him.And who could blame him? Our mercilessness and our capacity for cruelty is legendary. And so horrible is the sight of the punishment meted out to him, that God could no longer bear to witness it at a point,making Christ to cry, Why have you forsaken me?

However, the death of Christ was not evil. It was a triumph. After all he was only dead for three days,after which he rose again. He rose in power and prestige,because he actually went through with the plan to make a way directly to God for all men. Priest and prophets,who had that office,became unnecessary.The priests had to be sanctified to be in God's presence. Which is just a fancy way of saying they had to be pure and clean. Christ's sacrifice also paid for that,so anyone who claims that blood is automatically pure and clean and able to be where God is,and converse freely with him.

The death of Christ accomplished lots of things, and it was not 'evil',nor does it become evil because we humans say it is. We don't define 'good' or 'evil' for God. We certainly do not know better than the two powerful spirit beings who decided it was necesary. It's a testament to how powerful Christ is that his death is considred enough to take away every sin for every man that ever lived,for all time. When he rose,it was in utter triumph,his name now the most powerful in the spirit realm. He had succeeded in his objective.

@ post
I don't know much about this.So many things in the bible have you raising your eyebrows,especially in the Old testament.But people have been editing and revising biblical content as early as AD 383.I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of things have been tampered with,especially in the OT. Human beings are a seething mass of conscious and unconscious desires and motivations,pride,ambition,hidden motives,loves,hates and overriding self-interest. When handed power,religious or political,all those things are inserted into the mix. Anything that has to be filtered through human beings is often tainted by the process.No  one can pretend to know God's mind. While he is holy, he is also infinitely complex, and we cannot reverse the order and create him in our image. We cannot whittle him down and fit him into a round hole. We cannot turn him into what we want him to be,instead of what he is. Maybe I should say we should not, because turning him into what we want him to be is one of the things we do best.

We have been disagreeing about what 'good' and 'evil' is.We don't agree about what constitutes either, we all have our own definitions. We have our own ideas of right and wrong,good and evil. Does that mean God shares our human concepts and definitions of good and evil,right and wrong? Does he consider something good or evil because[i] we[/i] declare it to be so?Isn't it unutterable conceit fo us to imagine we may decide what is good and what is evil[i] for [/i] God,with the tacit understanding that he is somehow bound by our definitions and must adjust his conduct accordingly?Even if all people agree as to what good and evil is,is God somehow bound to act by what we define good and evil to be?He says No.(Isaiah 55:8,9)

Judas was a thief. But the whole thing was never about Christ and Judas. Judases grow wild everywhere. We've all heard of people who would betray someone close to them for reasons of their own; they're in our midst. No, it was between Christ and Satan. When Christ said, "Do what you have to do", he was talking to Satan,not Judas.But the other disciples thought he was telling Judas to go and buy something or whatever. John 13:27/28

As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him. "What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him,

The thing is, out thoughts and words and actions have consequences. The evil we do have consequences. And sometimes,unknowing,we suffer for things we have done in the past,or things our parents or even ancestors have done or said.(Mattew 27:25, 2Kings 5:26-27,Jeremiah 39:21,etc) Evil[i] must[/i] be atoned for. It appears to be an inflexible spiritual law,binding on humans and spirits alike. All of Leviticus is about how Jews may atone for different sins. Sins are atoned for by sacrifice. Whatever discomfort that does our genteel sensibilities must be set aside. Sacrifice is how sins are atoned for. When it's done,the person who committed the evil is then guiltless before God, his guilt having passed to the animal sacrificed.

(Hebrews 9:22)
the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with (animal) blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness

That Christ would die was foreknown by God, and agreed to by Christ. The purpose of his death is to be the sacrifice for all sins by all men for all time,so that when we avail ourselves of it,every single bad thing we have ever done is wiped away,and we do not have to suffer or pay for it in any way. (Hebrews 9,Isaiah 53,etc[/i]) Christ not only knew when he would die,he knew how.[i]To impy that Christ was a victim of events,that he was murdered,is to declare that he is not divine, that he is not the Son of God.Human beings may be capable of all sorts of things,but we are not a match for God. Christ was a powerful spirit being.However highly we may think of ourselves, we actually have very little power.If it was not the divine plan for him to be killed, he would[i] not [/i] have been killed. There were attempts on his life,which he casually escaped,because it wasn't yet the 'appointed time' for him to die.(John 10) When the time came for him to be led to his death and Peter leapt to his defence,he told him plainly he would be rescued if he wanted to be rescued,thank you very much. He went to his death because that was the plan with God, for him to die.John 10:18:

No one takes my life from me. I give my life of my own free will. I have the authority to give my life, and I have the authority to take my life back again. This is what my Father ordered me to do."

Angels have free will. Every creature in heaven is there by choice.Those with the devil chose to follow him. There's a hierachy in power and prestige, and Lucifer was powerful enough to believe he could take over the leadership, and to convince innumerable angels he could succeed. He appears to have been someone really marvelous,until 'iniquity was found in him'. They decided to cast their lot with him,went to war, lost and were thrown out of the place.

I don't know much about it, but it appears different dynamics govern spirits and people, so I don't think they can come crawling back,since they are unregenerately evil. They are full of a rage and hatred beyond even the most depraved human being's grasp. Lucifer owns and rules this world.He is outrightly called the prince and god of this world by Christ, and he offers Christ the kingdoms of this world if he would bow down and worship him. He wouldn't offer him this world if it wasn't his to offer,would he?And all you have to do is watch the news at any hour to see the effects of his reign in this world. They have free will o. They're not robots,programmed to do God's will.If so they wouldn't have been able to rebel in the first place.

JeSoul:
lol . . . I'm still denying it! I maintain it was all by chance and by accident
lol yeah that only flies when you're the only one watching you should go get "Emily Rose" and watch, however I will not be held liable for any nightmares, sleepless nights, hallucinations that you might develop afterwards

I haven't bought the thing and you're already dodging lawsuits and posting disclaimers. I'm too scared to go anywhere near that movie now.

spikedcylinder:
Those classic horror movies are just hilarious for me. Have you seen Little Shop of Horrors, Hauwa?

Feed Me Seymourrrr
Feed me all night loooong
Spiked will you watch a real movie, for crying out loud? I can't imagine how you missed not being scarred by the Omen trilogy as a kid, but it's not too late. Grab your copy NOW!!!!

Gamine:
My dad told me to do this.[pay the firstfruit thingy]And i asked him WHY?
He could only say "Will i ever tell you to do something that will harm you or something that doesnt benefit you"
I have an Understanding of these things, and all the scare tactics they use cannot work for me againmy friends keep saying, ah ah you dont pay tithes and co, this n that would happen.
Its no surprise that the teachings of Firstfruit, Tithes and offerings have intensified in this recession season.
A friend invited me to This Present house, last week.Guess what, Same ol tithe n offering-speak, telling people that paying these things guarantees them recession-free finances instead of him to tell them its the church that would be recession-free.

It was scary,right? Not paying tithe and 'firstfruit' after being conditioned to do so for so long. I felt guiltier than sin when I understood about tithing, and stopped paying tithe. But I still didn't allow false guilt to change my mind. Great things happen when you give. I don't know anything else more beneficial to your financial well-being. But tithing is not giving, it's just 'stupidity tax', like lottery tickets. Any church giving or service or activity has to come from your heart, or it's valueless.If you don't want to do it, don't.

I was invited to a church once. The minister asked everyone to take out all the money in their pockets or purses, and hold it high so he would 'bless it', so it would produce 'more of its kind'. Kia kia everybody did. He prayed, and then said no one should return a penny of the money to their pockets or purse, that it was God's money now, that it would 'work' for us, that we are to drop it, now. In an eyeblink ushers were passing baskets to collect the money. I returned my money to my purse,thoroughly pissed. How could you trick people like that?What if there were people there who didn't have vehicles, how were they to get home? What of people with little children? Suppose money was needed for something between church and home? No one knew he was going to tell them to drop all they had. And of course they were afraid to disobey 'God's command' and miss an opportunity to be 'blessed'.He called it a 'seed.' I felt like socking the guy.

@m_nwankwo
I have to ask questions that may seem a little naive. It's not to be 'challenging', as I realise a few people have the amazing ability to wrap a tone of voice aroung black and white letters. I'm merely curious. And why shouldn't I be? Your ideas are, I don't know, interesting? Some I 'get',like people's thoughts colouring the environment and influencing unseen events, how owning a gun might attarct a situation where you'll have to use it, which might not happen if you didn't own a gun in the first place,etc. Other ideas are downright bizarre. I've been trying to restrain my curiousity about the past lives you say you've experienced and can recall, and other stuff. However, I am going to ask questions you might consider 'hard'. Would you prefer I don't?

Lol!
The beginning?! Have you any idea how long that game is?
Gamer's meet,uh?
I guess Lara isn't for everyone. I can't keep away from puzzle games. Combined with bizarre adventure, why, it's irresistible. And it's not half as hard as people make out, though it can drag on while you think think think.
Seen anything good lately?
I scanned through first few minutes of Che last night but watched The Ring instead.

JeSoul:
ROTFLOL . . . "support group" lol . . . I saw a good portion of the remake which came out few yrs ago. It was a cakewalk compared to the original, dated effects or not

You accidentally managed to watch a gazillion horror Movies, and you accidentally couldn't keep away from even a remake! You're like some horror film afficionado. You can't help yourself. But you know, no remake can match those originals.
The Ring had been lying about my apartment for a long time. So I called a few friends over. I can't watch horror stuff alone. I tried muting the music, but everybody screamed blue murder so I had to leave it on. It wasn't so bad. Only two genuinely creepy scenes; when the girl comes out of the screen at the end. And the contents of that tape. Now I use the word 'demonic' rarely indeed. Few things qualify.Madonna's Frozen video,say. The Ring tape, which kills them after they watch it,totally qualifies. Look at those images and tell me they're not. The one that chilled me the most was the deformed,limping goat. Evil evil evil!

@m_nwankwo,

You say good and evil isn't sometimes relative, and yet the cold hard reality of our lives is that it is. There are things we would all agree is evil,no matter the spin. A man beating a child to death for no other reason than he could, say. Others things appear to be a matter of perception. All killing except in self defence is murder, you say? What if the above mentioned man were caught and, as punishment for his crime, the judge issues him a death penalty.The guy's killed. He didn't attack the judge and the judge isn't defending himself, and yet he's ordered a man killed, by the power vested in him by the state. Since it isn't self-defence, by your defintion the judge's commited murder,right? What about the men carry out the judges's orders and put the man to death? And I see in the Old Testament God would tell Israelites to kill. And not in self-defence either. By your definition that makes the Old Testament God what? Or are those parts of the Bible doctored as well? I hope you're not saying whichever parts of the bible fits in with your beliefs are genuine, but those that don't, are not?If there are aspects of the bible that aren't legit,and I agree no book is human-proof, surely you must have verifiable proof that meddling took place?

@Bastage
Again with the US dropped the bomb on Hiroshina to save more lives thing? Once I could take, but twice? It's driving me crazy! The US dropped the bomb on Japan after the war was practically won, because
1. They'd spent $2000 billion on it,and they had to justify the expense. You know how much money that was in 1944?
2. They were curious to see exactly what it could do.

They'd been fighting for years, Japan on one hand and Hitler on the other, and war tends to deaden people's moral perceptions. The US governement is comprised of people,not saints.Apart from Pearl Harbour, at no time did Japan have the upper hand in the war. They'd exhausted the element of surprise with that. And the US broke their communications code early in the war,without Japan being aware. So the US had access to their military plans and strategy. The knew of every attack in advance, and would move their troops out of the way, or lay an ambush. The war dragged on for four years. As at the time those bombs were dropped everyone in the US Govt knew Japan was going to surrender a month or so earlier. So they hurriedly dropped the bombs,somehow maniaging to 'misinterperete' Japan's concession as 'contempt'. They wiped out three crowded cities. Whose lives did the bombs save exactly?  Yes yes I know you're using that as an example, but, there was no nobility on the part of the US here, and they're not getting assigned one just like that.

LOL! Spoilers I can issue. Where are you in the game sef? I bet you still haven't moved an inch in Tomb Raider's direction. Busy ogling Del Toro, who's too old for you.

@m_nwankwo,

He meant evil can sometimes be relative, as you very well know. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. There are things we instinctively feel to be evil. Oh say,OJ. We know to kill is wrong, but is all killing wrong? If all killing's wrong, who determined that? Say I were in my home with my family, and some Islamic fundamentalist decides the world isn't big enough for all of us and attacks us. Say I own a gun and I kill him in self defence; have I done evil? Says who? It was his decision to attack, to leave his own sphere and come into my own with the intention to do harm. I did not go to his harem and shoot him dead amongst his wives. And yet, I have killed someone. I'm not sure good and evil is black and white. Isn't it how we experience it that determines whether a thing is god or bad? If I had a drug that could save one kid when two lay dying, wouldn't I be 'good' to the one who got the drug, and 'evil' to the child who didn't? I know I'm oversimplifying,but you get my drift.

Exactly how do you determine which parts of the Bible's legit, and which were doctored?

UFO ko?
Why is he waving aspergen's syndrome in someone's face? Aspergen's didn't stop him from learning how to h-a-c-k into a country's most sensitive security networks. Aspergen-ridden, he continues during and after September 11. Now it's time to face the music, and he thinks he shouldn't because he has aspergen. What did he think the US govt would do when it found him out, give him the Congressional Medal of honour? Sure they'll huff and puff; there are other h-a-c-k-ers out there and there has to be deterrents.They should take his disability into account, and prosecute him. Chike na.

Sack,hire,sack,shuffle ministers. He wants to appear to be doing something. You want foreign investment but won't give them a realistic operating environment. What does it take to generate enough power for a country sef?Poorer countries manage it. Why is it such a big deal here? If it's too much for you, License private companies to supply power,let consumers subscribe to whichever service company they want; the power equivalent of NITEL and gsm operators. You can tell they don't really want to get the useless,moribound,corrupt parastatal working, when they can funnel billions into private accounts under the pretext of 'funding the power sector', a phrase which means nothing at all.

Ah well. That's the movie business. They don't pretend they're in it for charity.
Gamine, have finished Final Fantasy 12 o. Are you playing anything good?

Haven't seen Ghajini.I'm just surprised you like him so much, given how crazy you are about Sharukkh Khan.

JeSoul:
lol . . . for real!

Believe it o. In school we're all like, Have you seen OMEN? Part 1,2 or 3? All Omen-traumatised kids would huddle together and discuss the horror. We didn't talk too loud or the Omen guy might hear. It was like a support group.

spikedcylinder:
I haven't seen Omen o, never even heard of it till this thread. I grew up in the village.

oyb, you've seen it. Tell her. And while the effects may be dated, you know that movie can never be silly, can never not scare. It's not for children at all.

The Others isn't horror na! It's a thriller. Haunted House?

He's a slasher fan, obviously. Funny tho.
Spiked you have not seen OMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Being traumatized by that movie was virtually a rite of passage for kids in the eighties! How could you have missed it?
Ah please watch it o, especially that horrendous part 2. I'm not sure it'll scare as much now, but man, that movie is the most horrible thing I ever saw as a kid.

Ehen. So where's the house?
I liked Trainspotting too, but cheating is cheating is cheating.

And you accidentally watched a hundred movies. All horror. :DNotice how the truly scary ones don't have a lot of gore,but this sick,creepy,heart-attack inducing atmosphere.Is Emily Rose as bad as Cannibal Holocaust or The Omen 1 and 2? Not that it matters. So not going near any.

spikedcylinder:
No o, I do not watch.
It my neighbors. No, its my brothers. No, my cousins. No, my colleagues.
Oh sod it! Watching Buffy is fun.

I know some of these movies are classics. I just don't enjoy being scared jare.You know how long it took me to get over all the childhood traumas and paranoia and phobias The Omen shoved down my throat?

JeSoul:
For someone who hates horror movies, I've seen most of the list

Hear that one. She hates horror movies o, but has somehow managed to see half the movies on this particular list. Admit you're a fright and adrenaline junkie jare and be done with it.