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I'm snickering at that photo again.  Dat one pass hip hop hurray ah beg. You're evil,Spikie, I swear.
All right all right I'm watching the danged thing this week!Work's been stealing into my Me-time. Oh and it had better be good, or you're going to hear yeasty curses the likes of which you'd never heard before for those 55 awards in 2 months the thief collected.

Gamine what's Inventing the Abbotts?
Benicio Del Toro? You're past James Spader now, are you? Three guys in 6 months.I swear you were made for Hollywood. iice posted a photo of a delicious man-thing from Che, but I haven't seen the movie. It's good,ehn?

What about Lakeview Terrace? Have you seen it? Is it good?

Oh my
I know taking another person’s life is murder. I was making reference to the old testament practice of priests sacrificing animals to atone for the sins of the nation of Israel, once a year. The Old Testament is full of such practices, men bringing offerings to God, and these sacrifices[i] were[/i] accepted. So blood is some sort of spiritual currency. I should say was, since Christ's death on the cross has put an end to stuff like that.

You do realise we're both assuming a lot here? We don't know the mind of God, what his intentions were,what he was planning or thinking; but we may infer, we may theorise. Perhaps Satan knew who Jesus was, Perhaps he didn't .John 1 says The Light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

If Christ's death was merely Satan killing God when he felt like it, what is the process of salvation,today, in practical terms? How does Christ save men?  

Predestination is the sum of a man's choices?Are those choices predetermined? By whom? God? Me in another life? If my choices are predetermined, they're no longer choices, are they? I would merely be a robot-type thing with the illusion of choice, but no real free will. I think you use the word in the sense of Your Present Circumstances Are The Result of All The Choices You Have Made Before, which is sort of self-evident. I meant it in the God Has Determined What You Will Be Before You Were Conceived Sense. The God Has Determined Who Will Be Saved and Who Will Not sense.

Reincarnation? You believe in reincarnation? So every human being on earth has walked this earth before? And God determined that it be so? So the Bible declaring a man dies only once and then faces judgement,has it wrong? Do you believe the Bible? What do you think of it, the Bible?

If I've been alive before, why don't I know it? It's my spirit that is being recycled, not my flesh, so I shouldn't suffer spirit amnesia,should I? So when a man dies now, he is reborn, and again has the opportunity to enjoy Christ's salvation? A sort of Christanity meets Buddhism?         

I'm looking at The Jerome Conspiracy with some interest. I could never resist a conspiracy, and this one says it has new evidence on the Hell doctrine. I get that human beings may choose God or not. We don't know exactly how God is going to judge human beings, though we think we do. Good to this side,Bad to that side. But that makes individual judgement superflous,doesn't it?Perhaps each case will be weighed on its own merits. But that we will account for our choices and actions is almost a certainty. Eternal torment just seems to be a case of the punishment exceeding the crime. For Satan, it sounds about right. For human beings,no. I know[i] you[/i] think hell is a state of mind.  

Thought- and-spoken word-interaction with the unseen. Doesn't one process or explanation serve all such experiences? I'm curious as to how you would explain the phenomena.

White Chicks and Little Man were juvenile fluffs. I couldn't finish either. But man, Scary Movie is hilarious. It still gets me laughing. Oh I like Damon, but I don't think he's done anything after Living Colours.
I didn't know they had a sister! What's she appeared in?

Hai Spikedcylinder you don spoil finish.
May the god in that picture forgive you o.

Have to see this movie.

Well, as long as David Fincher wins Best Director. And I'm hoping TCCBB wins Best Pic.
Slumdog would have to be good to have won more than 50 awards within 2 months of release. Will check it out. But no monkey business at the oscars or else!

Where did you get that evil pic of Phoenix you posted there? I can't not laugh my ass off everytime I see it.

I liked it.
He wasn't funny,but there were other funny people there. Compared to other Sandler movies, Wedding Singer is ok. Bulletproof is really funny, though old. Damon is way cooler than his siblings.

Mr Nwankwo, I think I get what you're saying here. That Christ came to preach to men, but knew he might die,since men have free will, with which God does not interfere. But why would God send Christ on a mission men can fulfil, and have been fulfilling for ages? Israel listens to its prophets and takes their words very seriously.In old testament times, a prophet had to be right: he gets it wrong, he pays with his life. The Jews were more than willing to accept Christ as a mighty  prophet. God sending a man and equipping him to spread his word would've accomplished[i] that [/i] purpose better and faster, wouldn't it? Why would he send Christ, an eternal spirit who enjoys a unique relationship with him, who was there when God said 'Let us make man,' to the world merely to preach God's word? And he sends him as a man too, with nothing that distinguishes from other men so that they would immediately know He is Christ?To all intents and purposes, he is a man, nothing more? Why would He send Christ,unless it was to accomplish something only he can?

You know, your arguments are very interesting. Free will and predestination: they contradict each other, don't they?Every entity in existence has free will. Even spirits are individuals, they can reason and make choices,they have personalities and varying degrees of power and influence, just like people on earth.

So Satan, the artist formerly known as Lucifer,made Judas betray Jesus, and Christ is killed at an appointed time.
But that seemed to be the point.
How do you send your son to take the sin of humanity upon himself,fully realising that men have free will, and that Satan rules amongst men and may use them to thwart that purpose?

Have you noticed how Satan doesn't appear to know for sure that Christ is the Son of God while he was a man? See Luke 4 and Mattew 4. Notice how there is absolutely nothing in Christ's physical appearance that gives him away?Christ merely says he is the son of God, not to Satan but to other men? Have you noticed how every single unclean spirit Christ attacks immediately know who he is the moment he engages them,as if, when they encounter his power, they recognise it?  But notice that in no way does Christ engage Satan?Christ did not once use his power against Satan himself, or engage him in any way,but allowed him to say what he liked, he merely responding? Perhaps because if he did something directly to Satan, the same power-signature those unclean spirits recognised when they personally encountered it would immediately become apparent? There is a place where unclean spirits were proclaiming his identity and he tells them to be silent,because they'd recognised him.  

It seems the real identity of Christ and his purpose on earth was hidden from Satan.
He was never sure, and when he asks Christ to confirm his identity,Christ doesn't,but sidetracks him. Satan knows the Son of God, the eternal spirit entity. Christ was there when Lucifer served God, and witnessed his rebellion. They knew each other. But Satan was looking at a man now, and had no way of knowing if it was the same spirit entity,in the flesh.Notice how Satan shows him all the glories of this world if Christ, whom he saw as a man who may influence many for God,his enemy, would serve him? Would the glories of the world tempt the son of God,who knew far greater glories? He had no idea who Christ really was, much less what he was on earth to do. But he'd heard he was the son of God,sought confirmation and gotten none.(Luke 4:2-13)

What did Satan do? Satan's purpose is to take as many men as he could down with him. He wasn't sure if Christ was actually the Son of God but whatever he was there to do would not be to his advantage. This servant of God was so powerful Satan himself came to tempt him. Since he could not be bribed with the world's goods, he used Judas and had him killed. But by that Satan himself helped God to fulfil what Christ had come to do: purchasing redemption and a direct route to God for every man who would take it. That he die was the endgame. Satan was outplayed there.

Death (bloodshed) seems to be some sort of valid spiritual currency,and so weighty and priceless is his death (blood) that it bought access to God and the right to be with God after death,for every man who would take it.Because of free will,it has to be a choice.

You know, Roman soldiers were the fiercest,the best,the most intensely trained and most disciplined soldiers in the world. They had mock battles every single day. 365 mock battles in a year. When Roman soldiers scourged a man,it was a truly horrific spectacle. I think the human being in Christ quaked at the prospect of the agony to come, and asked that that cup and that hour pass from him. But he says not his will but God's be done.

Oh yes. I'm interested to know more about how mental activity interacts with the unseen and is made manifest. I'm really fascinated by that.

@m_nwankwo

I've never heard that version of events before. Do you believe he was ressurected after his death?

You say Christ knew Judas was going to betray him, the son of God. At what point would you say he knew? Before he came to the world at all, or when he met Judas? Since he foreknew Judas's intent,and he had a mandate as important as salvation through his words to fulfil,why didn't he avoid Judas's betrayal and his own death? Foreknowledge makes that easy,no?

I've been meaning to ask you: Do you have any ideas on how our thoughts and words and imagination interact with the unseen? You've had the experience of singing in your mind, only to have someone echo the words out loud, haven't you? I've heard of people visualising stuff, only to have the mental images in their minds materialise? What's happening there?

CSI season 8 on DVD
The Tudors

aquastar:
christian rock is also cool rush of fools, the afters, skillet demon hunter , underoath the list goes one. and i am absolutely crazy about hillsong music and for those of you who didnt know they have left the day of "all things are possible" and are more into worship rock now thanks to the likes of marty sampson and joel houston(the pastor's son). brooke fraser, reuben morgan mia fieldes, matt croker, and ofcourse darlene zschech are all fantastic songwriters and worship leaders. god bless hillsong.

Sort of surprised you like Christain rock,but didn't mention Switchfoot and Newsboys.Great great great Bands.

What's wrong with waiting until you're married to get pregnant? You're not independent, you can't keep your legs together and you're not acquianted with birth control. A six-month foetus has a brain and feels pain. It might be 'embarrassing' to have a baby at this time, but your siblings are not the boss of you, and the child's life outweighs every other consideration. You'd better make plans and convince the father involved in the child's upkeep. Once your family knows the guy will help they'll change their tune. If he won't help and you don't want it, give it up for adoption.

Aborting a six months old foetus means going through labour and childbirth to expel it from your womb. Labour will be induced,you'll give birth, it'll be alive but die soon. That's what aborting a child as old as that means.Why not wait three months and go through the same process to expel a living one, and give it to the willing to adopt?

The insanely selfish reasons people use to rationalise casually ending a child's life are unbelievable. You're alive. What right do you have to terminate a baby's life,not to save yours or spare it the affliction of disease, but because a man bailed on you? And yet you're walking around with the same life you want to deprive the child of.
Don't do it. Give it up for adoption.

Matthias took his place.(Acts 1:25-26). I don't see why this is important anyway.

That colonials drew national boundaries without regard to ethnicity or religion is true of just about every African country. I'm not sure those countries attempted to redraw the lines after the colonials departed, though little stood in the way of their doing so. While religion and ethnicity continues to be a headache, few governments arm militia in a genocidal quest to wipe out other tribes. The Sudanese governement is guilty of horrific crimes againsts its own citizens. The targeted tribes have taken to camps, but these camps are patrolled by the supporter of APC. Anyone who wanders too far falls into their clutches.

Western countries make sympathetic noises about war and conflict in African countries,but will act only if it's in its interests to do so. China supplies the Sudanese govt with arms and undermines UN efforts and resolutions against the Sudanese govt at its councils, because of Sudanese oil.

Nothing nothing nothing has been learned from the unspeakable horror of Rwanda.

RSA:
'Ghana must go' was xenophobic in my books and the topic says your nurses(nigerians) are dying of AIDS in a foreign country,if your nurses are affected at that percentage,what about your population?the okada drivers and water sellers?
After reading this story my conclusion is Nigeria's AIDS problem is bigger than we thought s#$5t is about to hit the fan,you can't hide it no more.

Ah well. You would know. Your country's the expert on both.
No, you didn't read the all the stories posted, but I'm loving that conclusion of yours. Clap for yourself.

Well, you are looking for contradictions,aren't you?
Judas was replaced by someone else. I don't think it's Paul, though. Christianity was already established and Paul was a very religious and highly educated fellow zealously bent on crushing it, before his conversion.

Acts and Paul's letters were written before Mattew, Mark,Luke and John wrote their accounts. The disciples followed Christ as young men, and wrote the gospels as old men, from memory. So they can be forgiven a few minor discrepancies. For instance someone related an incident took place as Christ was leaving a place, another related the same incident,saying Christ was on his way to that same place. But these are very very few. In nothing even remotely important do they disagree. I would have been suspicious if all their accounts,written at different times in different places, tallied in EVERY SINGLE MINOR DETAIL. It would have smacked of collusion. As it is, it's even more convincing.

damola1:
One of the most important laws of God is LOVE, as in, love your neighbour as yourself.

The most visible yet grossly mistake (sin)is the same people make today. A lot of people feel they have done their obligation to God after paying tithes,

Don't we see small kids hawking everyday on the streets, or even cleaning our cars windshield, that's what God really wants you to take care of!!!, before you know it, you are even given 50%,

And let me tell you something, Good no dey loss, the greatest secret of the stingkingly rich is the ability to give, why do you think someone as rich as bill gates stepped down only to start dolling out cash to fight diseases we should have fought instead dole out money to tithing, disease as small as malaria( which is killing all our children like rats), because besides the peace of mind his money has not really left him,

God loves a cheerful giver.

You're so right. So right. Wonderful wonderful words.

I don't get it. Even if Malachi 3:10 told the Jews to bring their tithe (which wasn't money but farm produce) to the temple under the old testament, what's it to do with Christians? We (Gentiles)were never under the Law in the first place, were we? Those were Jewish laws and Jewish practices, weren't they? And Christ has redeemed Jews from the curse that the Law is to them.What has Malachi 3:10 to do with Christ? Christ and his disciples had a purse from which they gave to the poor. He took helping the poor very seriously. But nowhere did they advocate Christians tithing.

These pastors will cram your throat full of guilt and tell you to pay pay pay pay tithes.It's because you don't tithe that you're having so many problems and the enemy is attacking you. Pay tithes and then God will notice you're alive and bless you. You know how nterested God is in our money.

True, a church is an organisation and running it effectively takes money. But Christ is its foundation, isn't He? Pastors are not supposed to manipulate and deceive people into giving.It's a gross abuse of the simple trust and faith reposed in them by their flock, and these pastors will answer for it.

RSA:
Nigerians are in denial and are defensinve.your problems will eat you up pippo.pride and blind patriotism won't build your country.shah!

But xenophobia and the AIDS epidemic will build up yours shah!
Just[i] look[/i] at all the Nigerians on this forum, a-wallowing in denial.

And the Minister had to fly to Barbados himself to 'investigate' the story?  After a report had already been published,showing the story to be false? What the hell did he go there to investigate personally;whether they were  from his village, or had tribal marks?

You don't wake up every day thinking,Hey I'm Ibo! But you go out and it's in your face everywhere you go. Maybe if every baby is an indigene of the state where he is born, instead of inheriting his parents' state, the resulting Babel will issue some breathing space. So your parents might hail from Abia, you from Benue,some of your kids from Lagos,others from Kaduna and Rivers State.

toneyb:
I never  said the documentary said so, the documentary gives us a very clear understanding of how the book of genesis (story of adam and eve) was written. The story of adam and eve is a combination of stories from different sources, the entire creation story in the bible is a combination of different stories put together by different men and passed from one generaion to another using words of mouth until when it was finally put together as part of the bible by unknown writers, that is why we have the 2 different creation accounts in genesis 1 and genesis 2.

Yeah, Genesis was passed down by oral tradition until writing was invented. That's long been established. Just about every society passed down its history that way, including ours. The oral historian would then pass the details down to the oral custodian of the next generation, and so on and so forth. Remember how Alex Hailey felt when his entire genealogy was recited to him by the African village oral historian, and then it got to someone he recognised: Kinta Kunte, his forebear. And the history was remarkably accurate,even though the current oral historian wasn't present at the time of those events,hundreds of years earlier?

Oral history is an art,taken very very seriously by most of these ancient societies. Yes, mistakes can happen, but you cannot conclude that two detailed,chronologically different creation accounts resulted by mistake from it being passed down orally,but that two creation accounts were passed down orally,because that was what their history said happened.

Perhaps you refer to the book, The Book of Adam and Eve,which furnishes an alternative Genesis?
Oh I do so love me a good conspiracy theory. A Book of Judas written by Judas looooong after his death?A Book of Solomon, occult literature written hundreds of years[i] after[/i] the gospel?Ditto the Book of Adam and Eve? No doubt signed by these authors with a little post-mortem flourish? And they weren't included in the bible; ooh huge surprise there.

The aparently genuine ones, like Jubilee, should have been included in the Bibke or made accesible to the public in some way. But a disproportionately large number of these books appear to have been manufactured with the sole intent of passing them off as the work of the personalities whose names the books bear. Personalities long dead at the time the books were actually written. Some of them, like the Book of Judas, was already in disrepute in those early times,when they couldn't be dated. How much less now when they[i] could [/i] be dated and have been dated, something their mischevous real authors couldn't have imagined.

It would have been really cool to have something,anything, actually written by Judas, though. To have his perspective on things.

Tongue-in-cheek o.
They have copied everything naw.
I'll give you the one that irritated me the most,cos they wouldn't let me hear word when it came out:
Most Wanted.
The silly thing thing turned out to be the copycat naija version of Set it Off.

It doesn't say two different people wrote Genesis.The Book of Adam and Eve was written in the 4th or 5th century!

Hmmm.The Book of Jubilee. 150 BC. I sort of already suspected Cain's wife was one of his sisters. He might even have been married to her at the time his offering was rejected. Females aren't listed in genealogical trees, just males. So that book was dropped because it showed Cain married his sister?Incest? But Lot's daughters slept with their father. Abraham was married to his half sister.  They shouldn't have been prudish but should have included everything they knew to be genuine. The Book of Judas is already somewhat discredited and disreputable. Even National Geographic admitted they made an error that changed its weight. Aiming more for sensationalism than truth.

The book wasn't written by Judas but by Gnostics, far far far after the event, in the 2nd century, and assumes the reader is already familair with the Gospels. Even in those times it was already being rejected as suspect, Gnostic mischief.
Man I'm loving this.
Thanks for the links. Utterly cool. This'll keep me up awhile.

Spanking isn't child abuse naw. If you're doing it to correct behavior after verbal instructions have gone unheeded, and as long as you're not beating the hell out of the kid just cos you're furious.
@poster
There are lost of ways to get them to behave; you just have to figure out what'll work with this kid, who sounds like one of those brats who make your foot itch to give them a good, swift kick.

Girl this is some serious luv right here. Not a real fan of the guy. Seen quite a few of his movies. He and Kajol have fantastic chemistry: great screen pair. He was great in DON and Kal Ho Naa Ho (If only he hadn't taken like, ten thousand years to die in the film)

Wedding Singer is okay. So's Bulletproof,an oldie but goodie with Damon Wyans. But the rest of his movies are pure trashy trash.He's not funny at all. Click is so maudlin you'll grit your teeth throughout.

This is going to go on till kingdom come.
Bourne's creator paid homage to Ze Master by practically naming his eensy weensy creation after Bond. For Bond fans, that's Nirvana.

I don't wanna.
This frigging Slumdog cleared the Brits awards again. It's a shoo-in for Best Picture at the Oscars now,unless some miracle happens.

Easier to list the ones they didn't copy.

I'd like to see the documentary on how Genesis was put together.Do you have a link to where it might be got?