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ebenice:
honestly i've since for long been noticing this trend....that evil or wicked people live long and while the good ones die early......i just cant comprehend...

should it be so??


i've lost few good and charming friends lately....but dem other bad guyses are still out there trending

i've seen honest and hardworking parents loose their lives...while good for nothing ones roam freely in d street of lagos nd elsewere

well meaning people suffer mercilessly...while the greedy and selfish ones prosper

i just cant comprehend..... u got any idea why??

Blazinraj01:
Who told you Muslims don't believe in the existence of Jesus? You guys will just be ranting about over what you barely have knowledge about.

udatso:
Hahaha. This op is very funny. I love jesus evn more than you but I don't need jesus in my life oooo as a saviour ooooo. Please hear me oooo. I worship the God of moses, Abraham, jesus and Muhammad and all the prophets (peace be upon them). The OP is a learner. Hahaahahaaa

malvisguy212:
The Qur’an claims to be the eternal
Revelation of God. If true, how can an
eternal Book of Allah have such time-
bound revelations in it? The Qur’an itself admits that some of its verses were abrogated and replaced by others
verses.

To abrogate means to abolish, annul,
rescind, repeal or revoke. The Qur’an is
the only religious book that abrogates its own teachings. The concept of abrogation in the Qur’an is that Allah reveals a verse in the Qur’an that invalidates an earlier verse in the same Qur’an. This may lead to numerous difficulties for the readers of the Qur’an. In fact, it raises many questions. For example:

1. How can a Muslim know what is
abrogated and what is not?
2. Since the abrogated verses still exist
in the Qur’an, what is the use of
these abrogated verses for Muslims
now?
3. Would not this pose a problem for
the ordinary readers of the Qur’an to
verify what is abrogated and what is
not?
4. How would an average Muslim know
what is abrogated and what is not,
when even scholar disagree among
themselves as to the numbers of
verses that are abrogated?

However, if the Qur’an is the genuine
Word of God, then the commandments
written in it must by no means be
abrogated. Its contents must remain
intact and its messages unchanged. And
amazingly Allah agrees:

Surah 6:115: “The word of your Lord
is complete, in truth and justice.
Nothing shall abrogate His words.
He is the Hearer, the
Omniscient.” (Khalifa)
In other word, nothing can change is word. However, note the contradiction in Surah 2:106:

“Whatever verse we shall abrogate,
or cause (thee) to forget, we will
bring a better one than it, or one
like unto it. Dost thou not know that
God is almighty?” (Sale)

The concept of “abrogation” in the
Qur’an is that Allah reveals a latter verse that both supersedes and annuls an earlier verse in the same Qur’an.
Abrogation means to annul or cancel
something with appropriate or legal
authority. In this case, the authority is
none other than Allah himself. Surah
2:106 is central to the doctrine of
abrogation that is taught in Islam. Why
does an all-wise God need to reveal
“better” or “similar” verses to replace
verses that he had inspired only a few
years or even days earlier? Surah 2:106
is clearly making the claim that Allah will change and cause the older verses to be forgotten by revealing better verses or verses similar in kind. To emphasize the point, Allah states that he has power over all things.

The quran is disorderly chronological arrange One example of the disorderly chronology is that Surahs 2:193, 2:216 and 2:217 were revealed at the beginning of Muhammad’s arrival in
Medina. And it took another six years to
reveal Surahs 2:190, 2:191 and 2:192. Yet Surah 2:193 (which was revealed six
years earlier) was inserted to follow
Surah 2:192. How could it then be known which contradicting verses were the more authoritative? Without context and chronology, the “abrogated” and
“abrogator” verses render the entire
Qur’an irrelevant. For example, if one
verse encourages slavery and another
condemns it, which is to be believed and followed?
Truly there is a lot of questions we need to ask, the quran is not the word of God.

Rilwayne001:
^^

Malvisguy212, I'm still expecting you to open the new thread in other to continue our discussion

babylolaroy:
No he wasnt. Quran mentioned him as one of the solihuun. one of Allah's righteous SERVANTS. like Muhammad. Like Nuuh, Musa, Ibrahim e.t.c Whatever happened to prophethood in christianity? i guess the only prophets you guys know are your church prophets prophesying about lies that dont come to pass. have you chris and his silly prophesies? right. so jesus wasnt perfect. he had faults. All prophets did...Each and everyone of them buh in muhammah is a perfect example for man to follow should he desire eternal sucess.

Rilwayne001:
Mr.man, Open a thread and lets continue from where we stopped on the other thread

plaetton:
Malvisguy212,
Did you even read the article you linked, before saying that Adam was a jew?

How did you miss the part that said that Adam lived in Africa?
Or the part that said there was no single Adam, but groups of Adams?

Even though the article you quoted floors your worldview, you still went ahead and quoted it.

I still cannot understand what brainwash religion does to the thinking processes.

Rilwayne001:
Lol, why should I be the one to open a new thread here? atleast I have replied your posts on the other thread, simply copy it and paste in a new thread, then reply it appropriately, I will surely dignify your post.

Rilwayne001:
Abàlájõ

DProDG:
You OBVIOUSLY didn't even read the article you posted and just for clarity, by 'Adam', do you think they are referring to the dude from Genesis?

plaetton:
I feel so angry, so ashamed that even swearing at you Won't suffice for me here.

Lets me ask you honesty.
Where did you go to school?
It might seem like an insult, but there is no other way to address this matter other than paying attention to where and how you were educated.
Don't they teach basic history in schools anymore?
How can an adult come on a public forum and unabashedly claim that Adam was a jew?

I am honestly trying to figure out the level of ignorance it would take to conclude and make a profoundly dumb statement like that.

Firstly, if you needed the daily mail to educate you that a human walked the Earth more than 200,000yrs ago, then that is first symptom of your ignorance.

Secondly, for how many million times would I need to repeat it on this forum, for those of you who skipped primary and secondary schools, that Africa, sub-Sahara Africans is the cradle of human civilization?

The first humans walked the Earth in central Africa. This fact, not an opinion.

The word Adam simply means man other Earth.

Seriously, I will e-flog you if you ever ever mention in public that Adam was a jew.
Seriously.

plaetton:
Which school taught you that the Egyptians and Jews are oldest in the universe?
You had better go and ask for a refund?

I am always shocked when I see supposedly educated folks make public statements that I couldnt have made in senior primary school.

I will keep emphasizing that quality education, the lack of it, is greatly responsible for the dearth of intelligence in this land.

dalaman:
Which mystery of the world do you hold? Tell me the exact age of the earth using the mystery of God you are talking about.

Trustworthiness:
How my post is relevant is this. Christians believed that Bible in what the Quran is referring to but not.

Secondly, where God told us to believe in the book revealed before the Quran, does not mean we are to follow it but to believe that truly those books of revelation were before in existence and Truely are revealed to the past prophets. The Quran has superseded all other Holy books revealed to those past prophets. So, God almighty have decided to preserve the Quran since the Quran will be the last Testament to all mankind and Jinn as well. Due to the promise of God to preserve the Quran, that is why the Quran is still in its original form of its revelation. And it will be preserve till the end of time.

Thirdly, when we say a book has been corrupted, it means the original message has been tampered with or what is been presented is not or totally different from the original book revealed.

So, the originality of Torah and Injil (not bible) have been lost due to the way we human beings decided to always disobey God. Example of true teachings of christ is the preaching of oneness of God as you can see in book called Gospel of Mark 12: 28-33.

28
KJV:And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29
KJV:And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30
KJV:And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31
KJV:And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32
KJV:And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33
KJV:And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

So, the essence of quoting the above verses of the bible is that all prophets of God believed that God is one. The priest that asked Jesus the first commandment were asking based on Torah with them. Just to be sure Jesus is Truely a prophet of God. Because all prophets of God preaches that there is only one God, the apha and omega.

So, God almighty is not recommending the Torah or the Bible for Muslims to follow, because the Quranic messages have superseded those of the Torah and Injil. But, to acknowledge that those books have been revealed to earlier prophets be him.

Lastly, you Christians believe or concept of God is to shallow. Even when the bible says, with God all things are possible.
We Muslims do not believe that the knowledge of God is bound by space and time. The knowledge of God almighty is all encompassing, without bound. He has the knowledge of the past, present and future. He has the knowledge of what is visible and what not is visible to mankind. He has the knowledge of what he hidden and what is exposed. He has the knowledge of what you about to think of in the next microsecond or time smaller than that. He has the knowledge of what occupies every space on earth and the heavens. His knowledge is all encompassing. Not bound by space and time.
So, you need to get this straight and clear in your mind whenever we are talking of God almighty that revealed the Quran and all other books of revelation before it.

Trustworthiness:
I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.

In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.

That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".

Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.

In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.

shahydbinaliyu:
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

Jesus teachings... obey law of Moses


Paul teachings .. don't obey law of Moses

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus teachings.. be righteous ..it's the only way to heaven


Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Paul teachings ... righteousness won't guarantee your heaven



Acts 21:20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 21:22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 21:23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. 21:26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. 21:27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him, 21:28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place. 21:29 (For they had seen before with him in the city Trophimus an Ephesian, whom they supposed that Paul had brought into the temple.) 21:30 And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and drew him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut. 21:31 And as they went about to kill him, tidings came unto the chief captain of the band, that all Jerusalem was in an uproar. 21:32 Who immediately took soldiers and centurions, and ran down unto them: and when they saw the chief captain and the soldiers, they left beating of Paul. 21:33 Then the chief captain came near, and took him, and commanded him to be bound with two chains; and demanded who he was, and what he had done.


Paul was beaten because he preached abandonment of Moses law.....



Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:....

Jesus preached ONE GOD .... some Christians believe in Trinity


Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Jesus preached that worship One God... some Christians worship Jesus

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus said he's sent to Israel alone.... some Christians say he's sent to the whole world


John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Jesus clearly said he's not God and can't do anything without God...... some Christians believe he's God and Jesus can do anything for anyone


Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Jesus said the powers was GIVEN TO him.... Christians say Jesus has every authority in his hands

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Jesus said another prophet is coming after him... Christians believe it's Spirit that will come

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Jesus said keeping Moses law will make you a good and righteous person.... Christians believe that the law of Moses is for people in wilderness




MOSES LAW =SHARIAH LAW

Abuamam:
Recycling an old topic after it has been treated before seems to be your trademark. What did you not understand about explanations in the former discussion on this topic? Or are you trying to get us to ignore the post so you can crow over how Muslims cannot answer you?

For the nth time. The Qur'an states that the Injeel was given to Jesus which he preached (Rilwayne001 opened a thread on that, you people did not know what to say). The Bible is a collection of picked, mostly anonymously written 'scripture', chosen arbitrarily from among thousands of similar 'scriptures' by the Nicean council in the 4th century CE to affirm the established doctrine of the trinitarian church. The Injeel cannot therefore, be the same as the bible.

Jesus never read or preached the 'New Testament'; he preached the words of the injeel. Therefore, the Injeel cannot be the Bible.

Jesus did not write anything of the Injeel down; therefore the Bible cannot be the Injeel. It can only contain part of it.

Some of the traditions within the extant bible, relating to his sayings, MIGHT be true. It is impossible to extract sand from garri now. So we see it as corrupted (see definition of corrupted in the dictionary). It is a common fallacy that Muslims say that the entire bible is false; we say it is corrupted; that is, other doctrines have been mixed in.

God does not make mistakes or contradict himself. The Bible; both OT and NT are full of errors, contradictions and mistakes. Therefore the bible cannot be the Injeel given to Jesus by God.

Once more, for the sake of the blind, deaf, dumb and mentally challenged, Allah endorsed the Injeel, NOT the extant Bible.

Lastly, I have no respect for any person who says that the Quran should be verified, while he believes in a bible that has no certainty of authorship... even according to bible scholars. It shows that he/she is so blind to the beam in his/ her eyes, that there is no way I can expect him/ her to point out any purported speck in mine.

Now wait 2 days then go open another robotic thread on the same topic; copy-pasting the same tired narrative from the same tired website.

shahydbinaliyu:
of course yes.... it's like heaven helps who helps themselves.... it's when you want to save yourself that God will grant it. ...

i was a flirt... i tried so hard saving myself... eventually God help me get out of the bad behavior... and everything else just paved way for themselves..

shahydbinaliyu:
i Shaheed Bin Aliyu also invite you malvisguy.. save yourself from grave and hereafter sufferness ..stop denying God and listen to your heart

Empiree:
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@malvis, you longed enough with muslims now and you have ran out of idea and techinicalities. Anything and everythingelse you have been saying or asking is recycle. I, empire.e invite you to the religion of Al-Islam and become a Muslim.

Rilwayne001:
Whats is different in the verse and the Quran verse



Don't you think this automatically destroy the notion of rapture which claim that Jesus will fly to heaven with christians?

Secondly, does this verse mean that adam was'never in heaven? does it mean that the moment we return to dust no more going to heaven?



Note the underlined, the earth meant here is not the planet itself if not the substance, for this was further buttressed in:

Surah 38: 71-72 "Truly, I am going to create man from clay. So when I have fashioned him and breathed into him (his) soul created by Me. Then you fall down prostrate to him.
So are you still thinking that surah 71 meant the planet earth and not clay/sand? Then lets check the meaning of earth.

earth /ərTH/

noun
1. the planet on which we live; the world.

2. the substance of the land surface; soil.

3. the underground lair or habitation of a badger or fox.

4. British term for ground 1 (sense 7 of the noun).



Nahhhh, Adam wasn't created on planet earth, but he was created with earth i.e. clay/sand. It was after the father of all deceiver, Mr. Satan a.k.a devil deceived him to disobey his lord, that was when he was casted down to earth

Quran 20:123 “Get you down (upon the earth), all of you together, from Paradise, some of you are an enemy to some others. Then, if there comes to you guidance from Me, whoever follows My Guidance shall neither go astray, nor fall into distress and misery.”

I hope you can see the red part.




It does


Indeed



Your soul goes to heaven when you are dead, your body will be buried, but on the judgement day, that body will be raised and the soul will return to them.

Now lemme direct the question back to you, do people go to heaven with physical body According to the bible?

Empiree:
This is easy. It's actually a recycled question. It is like saying why did Allah preserve the Quran and allow His earlier books of divine revelation to be changed or lost? Answer to this question lies in three facts:

i- The earlier prophets and their books were sent to a particular people in particular periods of history. Once the period ended, a new prophet was sent with a new book to replace the previous book. So, it was not necessary that these books be preserved by Allah. The preservation of the earlier books was left up to the people as a test for them. Thus, when the people went astray, they changed what was written in the books which their prophets brought in order to make allowable the things which were forbidden to them. In that way, all of the earlier books of revelation became either changed or lost.





ii- Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last prophet whom Allah sent, and he was not sent to a particular people or a particular time. He was sent to all of mankind until the end of the world. Allah said in the Quran,

"I have only sent you (Muhammad) as a giver of glad tidings and a warner to all mankind, but most men do not understand." [Noble Quran 34:28]


Thus, his book of revelation, the Quran, had to be specially preserved from any form of change or loss so that it would be available to all the generations of man until the last day of the world.






iii- The Quran was the main miracle given to Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to prove that he was a true prophet of Allah and not an impostor. So, the Quran had to be saved to prove to the later generations that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was really the last prophet of Allah. All of the false prophets who came after Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) brought books which they claimed to be revealed from Allah, but none of them have the miraculous ability to be memorized by thousands, nor have they improved on the message of the Quran. The significance of the Quran's preservation is that Islam has been kept in its original purity because of it. Humanity can always return to the sources of Islam no matter what people may have added or forgotten in time. All of the essential principles of Islam are to be found in the Quran. Consequently, the preservation of the Quran meant the preservation of Islam in its final form. The loss of the Gospel of Jesus means that Christians can never return to the true teachings of Prophet Jesus(AS) except by accepting Islam. Similarly, the original Torah was lost when Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Babylonians. Thus, the Jews cannot return to the pure teachings of Prophet Moses except by following Islam. It is only in Islam that the pure teachings of the prophets have been preserved without any change. That is why Allah said in the Quran,

"Verily, the only acceptable religion to Allah is Islam."[Noble Quran 3:19]


Even usermane that seems to support you Christians (especially ifeann) said this about Bible. I have to agree with him here.

Empiree:
Pardon me. Is your Quranic quote in reference to your question above?. If that is the case I don't know any chapter of the Quran that goes by '7117'. Quran has only has 114 chapters.

Rilwayne001:
Surah Nooh, Verse 17-18
And Allah hath caused you to grow as a growth from the earth, And afterward He maketh you return thereto, and He will bring you forth again, a (new) forthbringing.

There is a similar ver in the bible
Ecc 3:20 All go to the same place; all come from dust, and to dust all return.

I dont seem to get your question, can you please rephrase it?