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Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 6:32am On Mar 27, 2013
nnomy3: pls as a young undergraduate who wants to be an investor, how do i go about it??
Walk into the office of any stock broker and make the necessary inquiries. Some stock brokers accept as low as 10k in Lagos, but if you have up to 50k you can open account with some of the reputable stock broking firms.


Investing early and investing regularly is the best way to build a great net-worth at retirement. Your stocks can also be used as a collateral.

A bank will readily accept 1,000,000 units of FBN shares valued at less than N20 Million as a collateral over a block of 4 flats at Ketu Lagos valued at N35 Million. This is because FBN shares is more liquid and readily acceptable than the block of 4 flats at Ketu.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 6:24am On Mar 27, 2013
Olumideta: Good job Manie, I dey feel you seriously. Do mean if someone decides to sell the share's certificate that is the amount the person will get?
Which of stock are you talking about?

You need to dematerialise the share certificate before you can convert them to share. Get in touch with a reputable stock broker, who will help you on how to open a CSCS account and convert the shares into cash.

If I may ask you, why do you want to sell now, what do you plan to do with the proceeds from the sale.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 6:21am On Mar 27, 2013
oseiwe: Bros,
I bought co-operative bank shares (now skye bank), I haven't heard from them since. I even wrote to d registrar but no response, pls wat steps do I take and wats d value of it now. I bought 4000 shares in 2005.
Your shares are intact, go to CSL Registrars at Tinubu St. Lagos. The registrars is located in the Head office of FCMB.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 6:14am On Mar 27, 2013
elvis10ten: 1)PC => 48,000
2)BULK SMS => 60,000
3)ADVERTISING => 20,000
4)HIRE A DEVELOPER(optional) => 20,000
THE REMAINING MONEY WILL BE KEPT FOR FUTURE EXPENSES.
The money is not that substantial open an account with the nearest micro finance bank. Or you get a soft loan from your church.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op):
dcal001: HI manie, pls i am looking at investing in the stock market and i want to know how to go about it ie which stock broker to use amongst others. thanks
I am not a stock broker, You can choose your stock broker from the over 100 stockbrokers in the country. I prefer trading with stock broking firms that are not one man business.

The following stock brokers are okay, Lead Capital, Investment one etc. With 50k you can open a stock broking account.

You will need 100k and 250k to open an account at Fidelity securities and UBA stock brokers respectively.

If you have a million Naira you can open your account at CSL stockbrokers or BGL Securities.

Meristem securities will need 2.5 million Naira, while IBTC, Afrinvest, Vetiva, FBN Securities will require 5 million Naira if you want to open a stock broking account.

But I will advice to start small, invest in your youth, invest regularly, net work with fellow investors, avoid penny stocks, read investment publication, listen to business news, practice Naira cost averaging , have a long term investment plan, do not buy hot stocks.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 3:49pm On Mar 26, 2013
Peterwins: Information is power. Please let us know how you would have acquired or purchased 3 million unit shares of Nigeria Breweries in 2007 as an individual investor when the average available trade-able quantities per day on the stock exchange was less than 300,000 units in several deals hotly sought after by so many stock brokers on a daily basis.

To purchase even 100,000 units of NB shares on the floor back then in 2007 was a feat. What do you think drove up the prices?
NB was selling at a discount in 2007, and most banking stocks were selling at a premium. Those who invested based in 2007 based on the intrinsic values of the stocks are better off.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 3:47pm On Mar 26, 2013
NB fluctuated between N35 and N40 in 2007, 1 million dollars was 120 million Naira in 2007. NB is one of the liquid stocks on the exchange having NB shares is as good as having cash. Over 2 million units of NB shares were sold yesterday.

I used to be a margin trader when the market was good, when you want to buy units of shares running into million of units you buy the shares over a period of days taking into consideration the bid and offer for the stock.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:39pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: HOW
Learn how to make the best use of the assets. I think you need a mentor in your line of business, it won't be a bad idea if you decide to work for free for some time just to learn the valuable experience that money can not buy.

Considering your age, no investor will invest in your venture. may be in 7 years time when you are 21 they may be ready to deal with you.
Investment › Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by manie(m): 3:32pm On Mar 26, 2013
9free: No oooooo...... I want them to present the worst results so that by this time next year I will confidently become a board member of one of these financial behemoths.
By mopping up the shares at cheap prices. Bad guy....
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:31pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: am 14+ you can confirm that on www.techmoran.com . I have a junior waec cert only.
You have the best asset, that is your age and your intellect make good use of these assets.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:27pm On Mar 26, 2013
@ Seun can we learn from you, what do you have to tell elvis?
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:27pm On Mar 26, 2013
manie: How old are you? What is your highest educational qualification?
@ elvis you have not answered this question.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:23pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: @ sir manie i will love that. If u want to send it to my email fine, but i will like it here so others who come to this thread can learn.
I will give the advice on this thread, i don't give my e-mail address to strangers.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:21pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF I HAD FINISHED SECONDARY SCHOOL AND OLDER THAN 15 years.
How old are you? What is your highest educational qualification?
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:20pm On Mar 26, 2013
AjanleKoko: What kind of mobile phone do you use?
Do you subscribe to DSTV, how much do you spent charging your phone, what about the money spent on complete football, how often do you go to the club, can you do the 15minutes trek instead of spending N100.00 on Okada. If you are frugal you will get the seed capital.

And also remember to get close to your God, he will not disappoint you.

The guy advising you graduated with a 3rd class degree from UNILAG in 1997 but I thank God for what I have done with myself.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:16pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: How i wish i had what to sell to get the money i need.
What about getting a job, and saving enough money to start your dream venture.
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:14pm On Mar 26, 2013
@ Ajanlekoko what do you have to say to these young start entrepreneurs?
Investment › Re: Investors Needed In A Nigeria Internet Start-up by manie(m): 3:10pm On Mar 26, 2013
elvis10ten: WHY DRAW THIS MATTER FOR SO LONG, YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS => in https://www.nairaland.com/1227635/what-make-angel-invest-internet so you are not interested in investing in a start-up. From that word u said, u feel start-up aren't worth it, but don't forget google was once a start-up. According to that essay, all u need is seed capital in order to get the prototype up and running, then you show investor to invest in it, there was "NO STRUCTURE OR ANY RELATED BUSINESS THING THERE".
I can only sow my sincere advice for free. I will not charge consultation fee.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 3:02pm On Mar 26, 2013
janykute: Maine,Very good analysis.But why are you not including the Dividends paid or is that not part of the investments?
Dividend is part of the returns on our investment. If dividend is considered, you will find out that if we look at investment in stock and real estate over a period of 10 years or more, returns will from stocks will beat that from real estate.

The best return you can get from 100k invested in 2001 in a government land scheme is 4 million Naira or less, if you invest the 100k in Abijo Ajah axis of Lagos is buying from Omo Onile, the land may be worth 6 million naira but you will still need 4 million Naira to ratify ownership to the land from Lagos State government. You would have spent another 200k to 400k for the land survey. This investment does not generate any cash flow, except capital appreciation.
Unlike the 100k invested in stock in 2001, that will be worth 3 million to 8 million in 2013. The investment would have generated a dividend of 300k to 700k over the years. You do not have to pay extra money for survey, ratification, change of ownership, Omo onile etc. If the 300k to 700k dividend received over the years was reinvested, only God knows what the value of the investment will be.

NB: Both stocks and real estate are good asset classes. But one should not over pay for any investment. Shrewd investors make money when they buy an investment, the money made when they sell an investment is just an extra income.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 2:02pm On Mar 26, 2013
pappilo: Fantastic thread Mannie Fresh

Hindsight is a biyatch!

As a young man fresh out of Uni with personal funds of approximately N1 million back in 2001, I wish I had invested N500,000 into Nigeria Breweries back then. My investment would be worth about N15 million now according to your calculations sad

Man chose to buy a Skirach and travel to London with the money instead. Well, in my next life I wont make the same mistake.
Not according to my calculation, you can go to First Registrars they are the registrars to Nigerian Breweries. The capitalisation history of NB can be gotten from them.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m):
manie: What is the current value and rental income from the luxurious apartments sold by IBTC for 1 million dollars per flat in 2007?
Investment lesson number 1, do not over pay for any investment. Be it real estate, stock or business.
There are houses selling for 60 million Naira in lagos, that can bearly generate a rental income of N2 million.


That 1 million dollars would have bought 3 million units of Nigerian Breweries in 2007. The investment would have given a dividend of over 30 million Naira over the last 4 years. And the 3 million units of Nigerian Breweries shares will be worth almost 500 million Naira on March 25th 2013.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:51pm On Mar 26, 2013
manie: What is the current value and rental income from the luxurious apartments sold by IBTC for 1 million dollars per flat in 2007?
I am not sure if this investment gives more than 50k dollars as rental income.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:33pm On Mar 26, 2013
manie: Have you considered the effect of inflation on the the bond. I will not advice a young man to have more than 20% of his asset in bond, his assets and income should be invested in developing himself, buying good stocks and real estate. He should have a long term view when making his investment decisions over a period of 10 years or more investments in stocks or real estate will out perform investment in bond or treasury bill.
Enduring wealth can only be built by having a long term perspective whenever it comes to investment.
100k invested in a bond at the rate of 15% will be worth 615k in December 2013. A return of 15% is on the high side for most bond, compare this to a value of between 2 million to 8 million if the money was invested in real estate or stocks. If the investor had reinvested his dividends from 2001 to date you can imagine what the value of the investment will be in 2013.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:26pm On Mar 26, 2013
AjanleKoko: I think young people with disposable income should look at passive investment to start with.
Put some money in fixed securities such as bonds or T-Bills, like Seun suggested. If you have more, you can try out some of the mutual funds around, like ARM Discovery or IBTC Equity. They are more expensive though, but can also give good returns. I would start with that rather than actively trading on the exchange.

You can start with that for the first year or two. You probably still need to invest in yourself, to strengthen your future career prospects. So you probably can't be very aggressive at the onset. Start with those options I mentioned, and try to spend time reading a little bit about investing in general, particularly as it relates to our market here in Nigeria. Read publications like Castles or BusinessDay rather than City People or Complete Sports wink


He should also visit the investment section of Nairaland, and visit sites like stockmarketnigeria.com and Proshare.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:24pm On Mar 26, 2013
AjanleKoko: I think young people with disposable income should look at passive investment to start with.
Put some money in fixed securities such as bonds or T-Bills, like Seun suggested. If you have more, you can try out some of the mutual funds around, like ARM Discovery or IBTC Equity. They are more expensive though, but can also give good returns. I would start with that rather than actively trading on the exchange.

You can start with that for the first year or two. You probably still need to invest in yourself, to strengthen your future career prospects. So you probably can't be very aggressive at the onset. Start with those options I mentioned, and try to spend time reading a little bit about investing in general, particularly as it relates to our market here in Nigeria. Read publications like Castles or BusinessDay rather than City People or Complete Sports wink



Agreed. He should also visit the Investment section on Nairaland, and visit sites like stockmarketnigeria.com and Proshare.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 1:21pm On Mar 26, 2013
AjanleKoko: This is a very good thread, manie.
Thanks, my bro. Please other stock gurus should contribute to this thread.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:19pm On Mar 26, 2013
Adetola: @soldierAnt
Different investment windows offer varying degrees of benefit and exposure to risks as well.
However, a balance portfolio is such that you have interest in almost every viable investment opportunities. Having a balance investment portfolio has the merits of
(1) Maintaining your financial balance if any of the windows experience turbulence
(2) A loss in one investment can be easily covered and buffered by appreciable growth in the other investments.
Shrewd investors usually have multiple streams of income. Multiple streams of income from different asset classes gives patience, peace of mind and focus to the investor, these are attributes that anybody who wants to build a substantial net-worth requires.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:15pm On Mar 26, 2013
manie: People are talking about the stock market meltdown, forgetting that majority of the players in the high end property market are also big time investors in the stock market.

The stock market melt down affected prices of houses in the high end market. We observed up to 40% fall in the prices of land and house at Ikoyi, Lekki, Banana Island, Ikeja GRA etc, a number of the luxury apartment are also vacant for close to 4 years. Property Investors in the listed locations are also settling for lower rent.

But rents and prices of houses in the mid end market are enjoying a steady rise.
What is the current value and rental income from the luxurious apartments sold by IBTC for 1 million dollars per flat in 2007?
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 1:12pm On Mar 26, 2013
maskara01: Hello all,
You have all spoken well. Even the bros that recommended the buying of latest Jeans and shirt in town.

I am gonna advice from my own litle experience or call it shalow experience. Yes the making of a business man involves him taking risks. I will want us to be objective in our advice. Let's take for example someone with an annual salary of N2m? What tangible investment can one make? Yes some will say start small or little, yes u can but what about other commitments? Thank your star if u are not "omo jaiye jaiye" because u gotta factor "owo faaaji" into it...lol.
My advice then, any investment that's out of ur reach abeg don't dabble into it. I meant investments u can see with ur eyes don't dabble into it. Not after the madness that happened in the NSE. Investment in shares yes but try to study the market.. I got a PZ shaares sometime last year sept-oct 2012 at the rate of N25.00k and as at march its N40.00k
What am I waiting for? Sell it off. Get a landed property. Invest in ur self

You did the smartest thing by selling PZ, the earnings of PZ does not support the current selling price of the stock ie N40.00k. You can also use the proceed to invest in some under valued stocks or growth stocks like FBN,
GTB, Okomu Oil, WAPCO, UACN etc.

I don't subscribe to Msc or MBA or what ever. They should be a thing of option I think certifications are better. I'll say that u should try that path and see how it goes. But govt bonds?....I nor dey.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 12:16pm On Mar 26, 2013
People are talking about the stock market meltdown, forgetting that majority of the players in the high end property market are also big time investors in the stock market.

The stock market melt down affected prices of houses in the high end market. We observed up to 40% fall in the prices of land and house at Ikoyi, Lekki, Banana Island, Ikeja GRA etc, a number of the luxury apartment are also vacant for close to 4 years. Property Investors in the listed locations are also settling for lower rent.

But rents and prices of houses in the mid end market are enjoying a steady rise.
Investment › Re: How Should Young People Invest Their Extra Cash? by manie(m): 11:44am On Mar 26, 2013
fuckluv: Good advice all through. I would recommend land purchase and also invest in transport buses and get it insured.
Transport what? I think one can succeed in this business if you are a retired area boy.
Investment › Re: Stock Performance From 2000/2003 To Date by manie(op): 11:42am On Mar 26, 2013
manie: This is the performance of First Bank from 2000 to date.

100k will buy 20,000 units of FBN shares in 2000.


Year Bonus Units
2000 20,000
2001 1 for 4 25,000
2002 1 for 5 30,000
2003 1 for 6 35,000
2004 1 for 8 39,375
2005 1 for 4 49,218
2006 1 for 25 5[b]1,186 ( Special distribution)[/b]
2006 1 for 1 102,372
2007 1 for 6 119,433
2008 1 for 4 149,291
2009 1 for 6 174,171
2010 1 for 8 195,000 units


Valued at over N3.8 million Naira
Stocks in the banking sector are currently selling at a discount, the most expensive banking stock on the exchange ie GTB does not have a PE of 8.
When stocks in the banking sector are appropriately priced, 195,000 units of FBN that is currently valued at 3.8 million Naira, may be worth over 5 million Naira.

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