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jayriginal:
@manmustwac, once, I saw you post this imaginary city story, and I wanted to repost it as a fresh thread, [/b]but due to the obstinacy (the nicest word I can find) of certain theists I was debating , I lost sight of this,  thinking I could reason with them.
Seeing the post again reminds me that this tale of the "Imaginary City" ought to be a thread of its own.
In this wise then,[b] I implore you to start a thread with this topic or at least allow me to do so (with due credit to you).
@OP Paschals wager has been thoroughly refuted.
You dont believe in Allah or in Sango or in Amadioha or in Ayelala. If you are religious (and you are), you probably believe in "jazz" or juju.
Well, what if you are wrong ? What if Allah or Sango or Amadioha or the wonder working juju you believe (has power) in is the real deal ?
Then you have a lot to loose for backing the wrong horse.
When you consider how many religions there actually are, the probability that yours is the right one is really slim.

Actually i was thinking of that myself but then go ahead, your more than welcome. If you search nairalaland google you'll findout that i copy and pasted MY IMAGINARY CITY from another nairalander named alaper from an old post. So your welcome to go ahead 

frosbel:
Anyway to cut the long story, creationists have carried the vote as per below.


Created 15 (60%)
Evolved 8 (28%)
Not sure 2 (8%)
Don't care 1 (4%)
Leave us alone 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 25

When you consider that less than 10% of the voters (us freethinkers) managed to get over 50% of the vote. I consider that a victory. And besides this topic is about us discusssing the origin of man and so far its us freethinkers who are the ones facing a barage of questions. Since all you creationists believe we were created please explain how  god created us.

debosky:
Unfortunately the discussion has become 'trapped' in a rut.

Let's leave aside the 'classification' issue and go back to the question on the origin of man. Regardless of the taxonomical classification questions, my view is that similarities are not sufficient to confirm that man and chimpanzees, etc. had a common ancestor.

what about DNA?

MY IMAGINARY CITY

Once upon a time, a long time ago, my world view was deeply religious. I was devoted to my religion and holy book. I felt well protected with the armour of God. My world appeared to be a city, meticulously constructed with beautiful engravings and huge halls. The walls were deep and strong, to keep us all safe from the corruption and sin of the outside world, and they were guarded by God to prevent Satan intruding. All in all, a very comfortable and safe place to live.

One day I wanted to just look up close at one of the engravings on a wall. It didn’t quite look right, and I just wanted to check that it wasn’t my eyesight. When I reached out to touch the engraving, to my horror my hand went right through. There was nothing but dust left of that engraving. I went to my preacher, as he would have to know about this. I showed him the hole, guiltily expecting him to berate me for it. Instead he acted as if he couldn’t see it. He commented upon how beautiful the engraving was, how neatly it fit in with the rest of the decorations, and how his father, and his father’s father had also admired this engraving.

As you can imagine this caught me a bit off guard, but I accepted that maybe it was me who was wrong. After all, he was expected to be much more intelligent that I was in matters like this, not to mention wiser. In a spirit of interest however, I went and had a look at some of the other sections of the city. To my amazement I could knock down whole walls and rooms with hardly any effort. After a while I was pulling down the buildings just for the pleasure of being able to. Whenever I pulled down a structure I could see that people were still walking around in it as if nothing had happened. This confused me and scared me.

After a while I knocked down the outer wall, the one that protected me from all of the evil in the world. What I saw was a collection of similar cities and small towns. I went and had a look at a few of them, but I didn’t seem to be able to inhabit them, because again I could easily knock holes in the buildings, and find myself unwelcome.

Eventually from my standpoint all that I was left with was a huge flat plain. There was nothing left that could stand up to even the most simple investigation. Nothing was certain, everything crumbled. I could still see my family walking in the air as if their city was still there, but I could not talk to them because they were so far away.

The flat plain was definitely the most intimidating time for me. I could not talk to anybody. I had no shelter, no rules, no group. I spent many hours shouting for people to hear me in their imaginary cities, but to no avail. Perhaps this is what hell is like? No certainty, no authority, no faith, no deity. I tried everything.

Eventually I worked out that the only option available to me if I wanted somewhere to live was to build it myself. I started out with some building blocks that I knew couldn’t be knocked down. “Treat people the way you like to be treated”, “Learn before believing”, “Understand before judging”, ”Be honest with yourself”. These are plain and simple bricks, not the fancy marble sculpturing that my old home had, but at least they are verifiably solid. They withstand the most rigorous scrutiny. The house is simple and I started to enjoy every day I spent in it.

My neighbours now look at me with a mixture of envy, fear and curiosity because I didn’t build my new house with any of the ‘usual materials’ that is commonplace in all the cities I visited. How could this house stand? Hmmm! How could it protect against all the dangers lurking in every corner, the principalities and powers, and rulers of darkness? No engravings or sculptures, just simple solid bricks, but they suffice for my home. I included a garden for contemplation, and I considered myself lucky to have such a large plain to build on. Now my house is how I want it, shape, size and décor. I few neighbours have come over to see how they could build a house like this. Some have started building, others are consumed with fear. I wish them well, in their journey to the real world.

@Seun
We need more icons just like yahoo messenger

folaski:
@manmustwac: so you simply dont belief in God. Do you by any chance belief in the existence of the spirit world ?

NOPE! I believe in facts i believe in evidence don't believe in juju or blackmagic or jazz or voodoo or charms witchdoctors etc. why do you ask?

frosbel:
I guess the creationist theory is intellectually more probable than that of evolution which till today cannot be proven , validated or substantiated with concrete evidence , except of course you consider building an entire family of Nebraskas from a single tooth as evidence !!!

Haven't you ever heard of something called DNA? Don't you know that when you were born you carry DNA from both your parents. Don't you know that all african americans and west indians cantrace thier roots back to africa through thier DNA. So likewise humans through DNA can be traced back to apes.

frosbel:
Your white man mentor ( Darwin ) was also a confused fellow who at many intermittent points in his life commented on the possibility of intelligent design.

Proof please.

frosbel:
All it takes to understand creation is a little humility , sober reflection of surrounding natural facts , but more importantly the miracle before us called MAN.

RUBBISH! You still can't answer the question. You saying understand humility sober relection surroundings etc dosen't explain your own creation theory of how man got here dose it? it just proves what i said in my previous post that [size=32pt]you are to ashamed to say it[/size] 

ATLgal:
i sent you an email.

so are you based in the u k to because you recently stated in a topic that you were looking for friends in abuja

The masses get what they deserve i personally have been duped or cheated many times when doing small business with my nigerian friends so what do you expect from our leadership

frosbel:
^^

If I was your atheist science lecturer, you will get an F9 for the convoluted explanation given above.

Please stop disgracing your atheist brethren  !!

SHUT UP or come up with a better explanation as to how human beings got on this planet. I have yet to hear your own creation story about how we humans got here. All you ever do is make fun and ridicule. I know its because somewhere deep down inside you your to shamed to state boldly that we were created from dirt by an old whiteman with a greybeard (who you worship day and night because he's your imaginary saviour)

Gemma11:
I would like to see a final showdown between The Risk and Misha with Misha winning I have £20 on here and will get £300 if she wins

I put 5 pounds on frankie cocozo misha brian and amelia to win the competition outright and amelia is already out of the competition

folaski:
@manmustwac : i have read your post with interest. My question is ; what is your opinion of God?

In my opinion gods were invented my man simply because man (who had bigger brains and were far more advanced than animals) had to explain his own enviorment to himself. I mean it rains mankind (just like a small child) will always ask questions like why dose it rain? What is thunder? What is lightening? Why is the weather hot? So its only natural for mankind to believe that all were invented by someone far superior to them who they referred to as a god and built statues of him in order to worship him

Our African ancestors had gods who they worshipped. To cut a long story short about 500 years ago before most of the undeveloped world was colonized all of mankind worshipped gods it was the best way to explain thier enviorment. But then as far as am concerned god is imaginary.

Well maybe she's just beginning to show her true colours

Human beings evolved from apes it makes a lot more sense and its easier to believe than man being created from dirt and descendents from adam and eve. But then when you think about it everything evolved, for example your mobile phone evolved, 20 years ago it was as big as a brick but with technology it got smaller it could then be used to send text messages (nokia 3310) then take pictures now you they have built in ipods internet you can watch movies etc.

Your TV evolved. I remember back in the days when over 95% of TVs were black and white and colour TVs were expensive. Then colour TVs became cheaper, then came with remote control then teletext, portable TVs came along now we have flatscreen HD TVs

We humans also evolve from babies to toddlers children. teenagers, adults etc. Houses evolved Cars evolved, everything evolved. Am sure you thiests can think of other examples if you think outside the box of religion.

Am I talking to myself

sara j:
So no one on nairaland is watching X Factor this year.
I was going to comment on tonights live show but since
this is a ghost thread I won't bother.

OH! SO YOU JUST REALIZED! Now you know why I didn't bother to start another x factor thread this year we should've just continued on last years thread.

That song that Gary barlow wrote was rubbish I could write a better song in my home studio

What T B Joshua said had a psycological effect on our supertitous odemwinge and others players which really caused us to lose the game

What T B Joshua said had a psycological effect on our supertitous odemwinge and others players which really caused us to lose the game

Pain:
People Piss On The Highways of The US and Europe too, Even Stars Do So Too .So Whats The Big Deal

i tire next it will be banky caught kissing babe in public or caught throwing rubbish on the floor

unphilaz:
toba i also am a descendant of God and not ape!

Is your DNA linked to God or is it linked to apes?

Where are you based?

So you mean over 95% of them are dishonest then.

Dimeji is inside my suitcase case closed

Naija is gradually descending into a state of anachy

@post
If according to your definition living in sin means your spiritually dead then you might as well say all our religious politicians are spiritually dead or our godfearing policemen are spiritually dead customs officers dead  pastors. NEPA is dead roads are dead Infact the whole country is dead

Why don't you just start your own Facebook group instead. Because am tired off reading all the religious messages that others in my friendship list keep leaving. I am favoured I am blessed the lord is my strength blah blah blah blah.

We've had the same discussion in the past. And for reasons which I do not know the site administrator has not agreed to that yet. The only reason why the muslims got thier own childboard was because one of them threatened the site administrators life (via email) and they still come here to comment on the Christian childboard. Besides we do come here to discuss about religion even though Otto is our lack of belief in religion.