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Bros,

This spirit of your is what I pray many younger generation of Igbos should imbibe and emerge as leaders of the tribe. I fear for the Igbos, cos they have some catching up to do. When you don't forgive/forget and move on, you simply hurt yourselves

JoeCutie:
I'm Igbo, but I swear to God, I don't know who these "Ndigbo" of an organization are. So after rallying for votes for Jonathan, they come back now with this?

You don't have your cake and eat it. They drew a line when they almost threw Buhari off balance with their sentimental votes. How can you make such funny demands from someone you didn't vote for?

For us Igbos, whatever we see in this dispensation, we take. We brought this upon ourselves.

Next time they'll sheepishly & sentimentally follow Jonathan and his cohorts. Rubbish!!!

Ndigbo, it's time to man up & face the music.
It's just so unfortunate that we have some hungry & greedy old men representing us under the disguise of "Ndigbo". Who are these Ndigbo again? I'm Igbo, but I'm seriously not part of all these rubbish. The funny thing is whatever money that comes their way, they chop alone. Busy body!

1. Nothing wrong with people making demands for the development of their geopolitical zones. What is ridiculous is that when others were working to bring the current platform on which the Igbos are making the demand to, to reality, the Igbos worked against it. So morally speaking, why will you make demands when you worked against the platform?

2. "Although, larger percentage of Igbo's voted for GEJ, some majority yet voted for GMB."....this is the root of self deciet. What do you mean larger percentage...and majority as corollary in the same sentence But that said, what you fail to realise is that there are consequences for actions and inactions. The issue is the East voted against APC

3. Its unfortunate that some group of people have come to not trust the party spearheaded by some core Islamists ...this is one of the senseless speeches that has no veritable validity, yet you folks clung unto. What do you mean by Islamists?

4. If you lot believed you're cursed never to know failure, then continue with your ways........

pjc:
What is wrong with people making demands for the development of their geopolitical zones. Is it not embodied within the same Nigeria we want in general to be a developed nation? Although, larger percentage of Igbo's voted for GEJ, some majority yet voted for GMB. Do you punish those for the 'sins' of the others? Should there be even a punishment after all? Its unfortunate that some group of people have come to not trust the party spearheaded by some core Islamists, yet most Yoruba's that attributed APC to Bokoharam yet voted them in at the last minute.
The core truth is this, whether the demands are met or not, what is will always be. Some people are cursed to never know failure. The table can always be turned, and demands will still come from the North and West when that happens just as it did during GEJ.
I wish Bihari well with his administration, at least no one has sworn yet to frustrate his efforts. Two wrongs don't a make a right. I just hope he delivers on his mandate to all, or might end up being Nigeria s last democratic president.

ShowYourCertificate:
Do you think the romance between the hausa's and the yoruba's will last forever? Buhari needs a bargaining chip by securing the loyalty of the Igbos so that he cannot be blackmailed by any tribal group when the next elections approaches. In politics, you don't underestimate anyone. Don't underestimate the relevance of the Igbos in this present political dispensation. Do that at your own peril.

The only people that underestimated the relevance of the Igbos in this present political dispensations are the Igbos themselves. While others were planning and calling all well meaning people on board for a change in the abysmal status quo, the Igbos clung to it like leeche...

kraftykc:
Even while I admit wholeheartedly that Igbos have no love for Buhari I still think it is within anybody's purview to demand advantages from the President especially where it doesn't affect other people adversely.

Then the first step to doing that is with your votes and not the other way round

abysirius:
Remind me d 6th SW state.

1. Oyo
2. Osun
3. Ogun
4. Ekiti
5. Ondo
6. ?

1. You're counting loss. Your purported wins is irrelevant. APC controls most of the country now. The roles are greatly reversed.
2. What you fail to see is the consequences of the bad political decision of the East, putting their eggs in one very bad basket. As it were, the east do not have the a veritable political platform (at least the self destruct button was hit on APGA), neither do you have the numbers. You are also lacking in collaborative spirits. You only see yourselves and look down on the other, something the North and Southwest learnt from and forged a formidable alliance. Now tell me, what will the east bring to the table?
3. When you say APC need to strategise and correct their folly, you make me laugh. You guys never learn. You simply want to sit down and want people to court you. You don't want to work for the collective. If APC could not secure a state in the East, yet the same east has one of the lowest voting blocks in the country, doesn't that tell you who should be shitting in his pants?
4. When the APC was formed, why did APGA back out of the merger. Why was Okorocha and Ngige insulted? Truth is the Igbos has no standing to demand anything from the incoming government. The East will get the basic necessities in line with the national development plans. Only a magnanimity or a strategic importance will make them get more. This is the consequences of choices we make.

ShowYourCertificate:
Point of correction, APC never won in 2/3 of the country. They also didn't pull 2/3 of the cumulative votes. APC couldn't win a single state in the SS and SE but the PDP, despite their loss, secured wins in northern states like Taraba, Middlebelt like Plateau and SW like Ekiti.

I still repeat my earlier statement that it's the fault of the APC, and not the Igbo nation, that they couldn't secure any win in that zone and that of the SS. The APC leadership structure need to strategise on how to correct this folly of theirs. They need to have a good structure in all 6 geopolitical zones. A word is enough for the wise.

Your logic beggars belief and a case of groupie idiocy. You mean a party that won the greater 2/3 of the country will be seen as ethnic party? I wonder why you guys continue to fool yourselves. It's a forgone conclusion that if you look at the consequences of bad political strategy fuelled by ethnic sentiments, you should look at you easterners.

If the Easterners are wise, they should shelve ethnic sentiments and play a strategic and vision-bbased politics. As advised by Okorocha, they should not take political decisions based on the cravings of their pockets

ShowYourCertificate:
No it isn't. If Buhari and APC are wise politicians, they should strive to win the love of the SE region. This way APC will have a national appeal and not an ethnic party (yoruba+hausa party) appeal that it is at the moment..

Is Ladipo Market not under Mushin local government? U know read book?

Mynd44:
When did the Mushin Local Government become the Lagos state government?

Bros,

1. You make a good point.
2. I think the problem of us youth is that we're simply "all talk". We are mostly misguided, I mean if you average the collective intelligensia on NL, do you really think we should trust us with managing the affairs of this nation?
3. I think we need to work harder. Sometimes the learnings we've had should be put to good use. If you're outstanding, you'll be picked up. I followed the Akin Oyebode guy, that destroyed the Ayee Dee and the PDP youths at the debate. I was impressed by his intelligence and analysis, so much that I dug into his background. I found out that Kayode Fayemi picked him up and brought him into the APC fold. Don't be suprised this gus who's probably in his 30s gets an appointment at Federal level. Mrs. Damilola Ogunbiyi is the General Manager of Lagos Power and Infrastructure. She's under 40.
4. Many of us on NL need to go pick up membership of Political parties of our choice. We need to start getting involved in their programs, we need to volunteer, we need to show our qualities. We should not just come up and keep complaining. My wife accuses me of the same fact. She wonders why I've not gone to Osogbo to contribute my quota.......

Akiika:
So sad that no individual in this list is in the 35 - 45 years age bracket, are Nigerian youth this useless and incompetent?
You guys only come up here and engage in tribal and religious feud!
This calls for sober reflection, when are the youths going to make themselves relevant other than social media silly comments?
I don talk my own!

Noted madam.

tnx

ferhyntorlah:
It's topic AT hand.

IDEKEALUMONA:
I tire o! We are talking about corrupt-free govt and people are mentioning Amaechi and Fashola's names.
Fashola is a big time criminal,he used court to stop Lagos house of assembly from probing him,the same thing Diezani Alison Madueke did.

We wouldn't want to see the kind of impunity he and his master,Tinubu created and propagated in Lagos,where motorcycles were seized from poor people and destroyed,where thugs were empowered to molest road users,where road users were forced to pay heavy tolls and most importantly,where bona fide Nigerian citizens were unlawfully arrested, detained and eventually dumped at another part of Nigeria.
Any way sha,he would be taught a very bad lesson if he tries that nonsense in Abuja.

1. Starting from the bolded part,......who by the way will teach him a bad lesson you lot just rant and nothing comes out of it. The last time I checked, APC is returned to power in Lagos, what did you "teachers of bad lessons do"?
2. Endorsing some dumb pictures to make a point, makes you worse. Becos it's caries the picture "Eko Projects" means what? and in what context? That Fashola is rated the best governor of Lagos state is down to many things and laudable projects is one out of the lot. When he grew the Lagos Economy to that of top-ten in Africa, more than some countries, were you and your ilks dreaming?
3. I know some of you folks don't value lives, we do. Why don't you clamour to your home-state governor to take the Okada riders and let them ply express roads in your state (If it is available). The truth is that accidents rates on express due to and involving Okada drastically went down. Tell your Okada folks so go somewhere else
4. Well ur idle "folks" that were deported is a big question? Fashola rightly asked the "Aka-Ikenga" forum, that you needed to ask the right question. Whatever happened to the East that produce the likes of Zik and Ojukwu and other eminent citizen, whatever happened why the place is not developed? Why haven't your governors turn the place into Mecca and Dubai of sort
5. Heavy toll? that's why you should go back to your village. Lekki expressway project is a model the failed GEJ's government learnt from, only that it was too late to implement; they had wasted a lot of time being clueless. Why do you think the FG then was planning to return tolls to some Federal interstate roads. We need the tolls to accelerate infrastructural development in Lagos. It's working. If you can't pay tolls, take the alternate routes or park your car before the toll and trek the rest.

1. You keep sounding unintelligent.
2. Your Jonathan's quotation of 25km of roads, an equivalent of a distance of Lagos to London and back, is virtually nowhere to be found.
3. Jonathan's performance is railways? you probably need to get off that stuff. Some of you are simply taken by "redefined" perspectives. What do we have in railway today that is worth referring to? The same 4hr trip from Lagos to Ibadan that had been the situation in the late 90s?You might want to ask why are we still using the same old technology guage on our rail lines despite the touted reforms. You might want to ask further, why haven't Nigerians de-congest the motor parks, since the said revolution in rail industry.
4. We probably had one of the longest breaks in University education system with Jonathan's government. Since when has effort become an indication of performance. What indices has show a marked progressive improvement in the educational standard in the country. Do we have increase in enrolment rate? do we have better performance in WAEC and JAMB? Have we strengthened the Technical Education side? what is the synergy between education and practice communities and how has that translated into value in the society.
5. Even from a sensible academic exercise, a direct comparison of budgets numbers of a state and federal government say what exactly if I may ask you? When has "budget" become a measure of performance?

You need to search yourself, cos you come vociferous, yet short.

anonimi:
Jonathan's performance in five years on infrastructure- railways, roads, power and education is BETTER by far than what Fashola achieved in eight years with budgets that almost doubled from N274.762 billion in 2007 to N489.69bn in 2015.


http://www.tundefashola.com/archives/news/2007/12/17/20071217N04.html

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/11/fashola-presents-n489-69bn-2015-budget-proposals/



Comparatively the federal budget was N4.6 trillion in 2010 when Jonathan came into power and N4.3 trillion in 2015.


http://allafrica.com/stories/201003260735.html


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/177493-nigeria-senate-approves-52-crude-oil-benchmark-for-2015-budget.html

There some of you go again with senseless rants. What is the relevance your this senseless rants of yours to the topic on hand

TopGee:
But am sorry to say this, Fashola might have forgotten the law he read. Did he not know it was against our constitution to deport Nigerians from Nigeria. Though, he apologized and that was also nice of him to do, but he may need to refresh.

I think so too. This is more like lateral transfer and not promotion.

Goke7:
fashola for FCT minister will be limiting, I need fashola on a more National scale pls

Bros,

You bring academic delight into this discourse. I think this is needed to save the educated amongst them being misled by unverifiable points raised in the markets.

xtayle:
https://www./221907691331037/permalink/371700909685047

"By 1872 Lagos was a cosmopolitan trading center with a population of over 60,000 people.Colonial Lagos developed into a busy, cosmopolitan port, with an architecture that blended Victorian and Brazilian styles. The Brazilian element was imparted by skilled builders and masons who had returned from Brazil The black elite was composed of English-speaking "Saros" from Sierra Leone and other emancipated slaves who had been repatriated from Brazil and Cuba.By 1872 the population of the colony was over 60,000, of whom less than 100 were of European origin.

In 1876 imports were valued at £476,813 and exports at £619,260. Telephone links with Britain were established by 1886, and electric street
lighting in 1898.In August 1896, Charles Joseph George and G.W. Neville,both merchants and bothunofficial members of the Legislative Council,
presented a petition urging construction of the railway terminus on Lagos Island rather than at Ido, and also asking for the railway to be extended to Abeokuta. Lagos history is rich in Yoruba tradition,trade and commerce,infrastructural development and cosmopolitanism." -EXTRACTED

With the little facts above, I would like to educatesome illiterates making stupid assumption from blind sentiments that they developed Lagos. Lagosians had telephone presence in 1886, Itu and Calabar got connected to Telephone in 1923, while between 1946 and 1952, a three-channel line carrier system was commissioned between Lagos and Ibadan and was later extended to Oshogbo, Kaduna, Kano, Benin, and Enugu. Communication technology is a major signifier of civilizations and if Lagosians were already making telephone calls more than 70 years before your daddies, where then did you get the warped idea that you came to develop Lagos? By 1856 Cable and Wireless Company of the UK had commissioned a submarine cable link between Lagos and London and In 1851 a post office was established in Lagos; all these before of the emergence of Nigeria as an amalgamated country.

If I may ask again, where did the stupid idea that Igbo developed Lagos came from? Or that Lagos was developed with Nigeria's money when Lagos was not even part of Nigeria until 1914. I always feel embarrassed anytime I read and hear even so-called educated people from the East making these stupid assertions.

The first Yoruba lawyer Christopher Alexander Sapara Williams was called to the English Bar in 1879 whilst the first Igbo lawyer, Sir Louis Mbanefo, was called to the English bar in 1937. Again the first Yoruba medical practitioner, Dr. Nathaniel King, graduated in 1875 from the University of Edinburgh whilst the first Igbo medical practitioner, Dr. Akannu Ibiam, graduated from another Scottish University in 1935. Again I ask, where did the ignorant hypothesis of the backward Yoruba race who needed development by the superior Igbo race come from?

For the sake of our generation and posterity we need to teach factual history and not just cook up some cock and bull ego-centric concoctions as facts. The attitude of recycling long tales steeped in empty arrogance should be discarded before you mis-educate your kids with fictions.

Awolowo will continue to be the Yoruba hero not because of blind follower-ship but because he gave his people the system of free education, free healthcare and he introduced Television to the Yoruba; making Yorubaland the first region to have a TV station in Africa all done with revenues from Cocoa. It is crass ignorance and naked buffoonery to claim Lagos was built with Nigeria's money. In addition, where did the foolish idea that the Igbo brought civilization to Lagos and Yoruba-land come from? The aim of this post is not to deride any tribe but to correct the dangerous misinformation trending among some Igbo youths and common in their narratives that Lagos is a no-man's land and that their fathers built and develop Lagos.

Your forebears came to Yoruba-land like every other settlers and we appreciate their contributions but the stupid claim that Igbo built and develop Lagos is a gross display of stupidity because Lagos was already developed before your forebears came here from their villages and towns.

The first storey building in Nigeria was built in Marina, Badagry in 1845, long before some of hinterland people gave up the idea of conical mud
houses with thatched roofs which some boastfully called 'ancient mansions.' How can you now claim your grand-sires developed Lagos? Please if you are one of those spreading the fiction, I expect you to desist from self-delusion and collective amnesia forthwith.

The first Igbo alphabet-character set and Igbo primer (Isoama-Ibo) was published by Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (a yoruba man from Osogun) in 1857. How can you now claim superiority over the Yoruba race and even carelessly affirm that your forebears should be thanked for bringing enlightenment to Yoruba Land?



Meanwhile, I do not see all these achievements as a sign of Yoruba superiority over the Igbo or any other tribe for I do not believe in racial superiority;

kettykin:
If yorubas are claiming all these head start why do they want to remain and get stuck with the backward tribes in one country.

The Greeks, Egyptians and Babylonians first produced lawyers, doctors, teachers and scholars before the American, British, German, French, Korean, Chinese and Japanese but the latter are light years ahead of the former in every sphere of life.

We are talking about igbos who lost all in 1970 and came out of their wrecks to own Nigeria.

Bros,

Going by your interesting arguement, I guess the part you missed our is that, these people emerged to develop their land/country and hardly go to other places to claim rights to power while they are still attached to their roots. Let me point your attention to few exerpts from the renowned economist Dr. Ayo Teriba on the topic "Confronting Inter-regional Disparities in Nigeria "

North-west and North-central, with well-watered stretches of land area, account for 90 per cent of crop production; South-south, with access to coastal oil and gas deposits, accounts for 91.5 per cent of oil production; South-west, with the historic ports of Lagos and lucrative land borders, account for 60 per cent of trading and commercial activities, and North-central and South-south combine to contribute another 30 per cent of this. The remaining two regions, the semi-arid North-east with immense metal ores, and the landlocked South-east with immense coal deposits, are marginalised from the existing growth processes.

The South-west gross regional output grew the most in 2012 with an absolute nominal increase of N1.4 trillion (or 21.8% nominal growth), followed by the North-west with N1 trillion (16.38%), and North-central with N800 billion (14.27%). These are to be compared to regional output increases of N123 billion (10.89%) in the South-east and N100 billion (8.19%) in the North-east. Owing to a slight dip in oil price in 2012 after growing impressively in the preceding three years, oil-dominated South-south recorded a slight decline of about N268.9 billion (-1.69%) in regional output in 2012.

The South-south still had the largest gross regional product, N15.65 trillion (38.6% of Nigeria’s GDP), followed by the North-west’s N8.4 trillion (20.65%), South-west’s N8.2 trillion (20.26%), and North-central’s N5.7 trillion (15%). South-east’s N1.4 trillion (3.27%) and North-central’s N1.2 (3.11%) trillion were the smallest GRPs in 2012, each being even smaller than the increase in South-west’s regional output that year. More importantly, South-east and North-east not only had the smallest economies in 2012, they also recorded the least absolute and percentage growths.

and the slightly positive side

On the contrary, the output disadvantage of the South-east is mitigated by the fact that south easterners’ income from involvement in wealth creation in all the five other regions and in the Diaspora far exceeds the value of wealth generated within the region. The strong home bias of the average south easterner ensures that huge fractions of such wealth are repatriated to the region with the consequence that South-east ranks third in consumption spending per head after the South-west and the North-central, ahead of the North-west, South-south and the North-east, although total consumption in the region still ranks fifth, only ahead of the North-east. South-east consistently remains third in both food consumption per head and non-food consumption per head.

So would you like to expatiate how the Igbos are comparable to Greeks, Egyptians, Japanese, Koreans etc again?

I think the Igbos should also realise the following as facts;

1. Societies have values and you need to assess your values with that of the host communities in which you live. Your worldview is not the Utopian worldview.
2. Igbos should always back assertion with empirical, historical and albeit veritable facts. I think it is share lunacy to bandy statistics that are flawed, generated by a near illiterate and passed on by even the supposedly educated.

OK let me break this two points down
1. There is no historical accounts, no veritable facts and figures to assert their claims of the supposed ownership of Lagos economy. A business value chain starts from production and ends at the last mile in consumption. Most of the businesses of these proponents are closest to the last mile. Even the Aba market touted with production in the past is long gone and replaced with the torrential inflow from China. So when a typical item is produced, if we do the value analysis, how much of such is coming to the "resaler"?

2. Have you gotten the profile of the financials of Lagos state and is Igbo market defined as a major contributor Let us look at the tax bracket (can someone help me with stats here?) Lagos has only 4.5million registered tax payers, of that number how many are Igbo traders? (when you match the organized payee system from private companies vs the largely disorganised market arrangements).

3. Off the tops of my pick, I think Lagos revenue is coming heavily from various regimes of taxes. From property to company income taxes, Land use charges and stuffs. Can the Igbos show how they dominated in this area?

4. I hear senseless arguement that Igbos own XX% of properties in VI, Banana Island, Magodo etc. and I dare ask, these stats are based on what?


Let's see a thing or two in value system

1. Can the Igbos explain to me how the amount of cash you make, make you a better man?
2. Can the Igbos explain to me why when it comes to clash of other people's culture, they resort to the Nigerian constitution as fall back?
3. Can the Igbos explain to me why it is important to lay claim of Lagos a place that knows no ethnic divide, yet they cannot but constitute satellite village meetings and associations in Lagos?

Right on that Bros

Kx:
Aganga and Adeshina for whatttttttt?
To reap where they did not sow.

We don't want some phoney speaking obodo oyibo trained technocrats that makes Brettonwoods policies without knowing the effect on Ajegunle and Kauro Namoda.

I see BRF in Chief of Staff or minister of works.

Many of you are simply jokers. When I see names like Ezeks, Adesina, Aganga, etc I laugh. Do you guys thinks that there are no technocrats in APC but to recycle part of failed GEJ's pets

Trust me Adesina is nothing special and would not even be considered on a scrap paper

Right on that Bros

Kx:
Aganga and Adeshina for whatttttttt?
To reap where they did not sow.

We don't want some phoney speaking obodo oyibo trained technocrats that makes Brettonwoods policies without knowing the effect on Ajegunle and Kauro Namoda.

I see BRF in Chief of Staff or minister of works.

My sentiments exactly.....

maclatunji:
Which other tribe in Nigeria makes claims like this?

1. First off, I'm enjoying this discussion/debate with you, so feel free to express yourself intellectual. It's for our own benefit

2. On the issue of the Oba, It's not double speak. I base my submission on a scale of balance of the two sides. I have actually watched the expanded video clip and not the clipped edition that cause the uproar. That the Oba must humbly take some learnings in communication is something I agree with you, but I am yet to be convinced that the Oba purposely sought out to call a crusade on the Igbos. I stated that a discussion in the confines of the Oba's guest room may be a different context when interpreted on the streets. I'm sorry I'm partly a scholar and my orientation makes me to seeks facts to back up my submissions. In this Oba's case, I laid those facts on the balance of what the Oba said, what those that were in the meeting said and what had been said by those who are by extension associated with the issues. The truth for me is that the embarrassing consequences of the speech is a life lessons for us all - be careful with words. It is that simple. Adducing hatred for Igbos to it, for me, is pushing it far and unhealthy.

3. Learning other people's culture goes beyond speaking their languages and eating their food. Let me paint it further, If you are a tourist in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Oman, as a lady it is important to cover your head to your burst-line with a cloth. The west (especially the Brits) took some time in understanding that in business transactions there is provision for giving of gifts, unfortunately this was misinterpreted as bribe. The Americans did understand fairly quickly, hence their mileage in business forays into the middle east. Even if you speak Arabic, when you travel to these places, these are some slips that are made that upsets the hosts.

There is no way you can divorce culture issues from this case. I will explain. There are medium through which we could have dealt with can deal with all the ill feeling better if we have better understanding and acceptance of each other's ways. The OPC became enraged and gave out warnings that Igbos were insulting the throne. Even on NL a lot of people were insulting the Oba of Lagos, this is bound to enrage the indigenes. The Yorubas so rever the throne, regardless of who sits on it to the extent that they will not take it lightly with a desecration (or perceived) of the throne. This is one of things I believe many Igbos are either oblivious of or choose to ignore.

Please disabuse your mind of the profane; learning about culture should not be equated with forcing you worship some gods. I am talking about what is expedient for the collective development and well being in the society. It's a good thing you mention the Chinese and other tribes in Lagos (and I dare add the Hausas, the Itsekiris, Urobos etc). I think a critical question you probably need to examine is what are these others doing that make them to hardly clash with or incur wrath of the indigenes.

4. Let us assume I get some learning on Igbo republicanism. Tell me, do you think it will be expedient for an Igbo man to always refer to that republicanism as a basis of exchange with other tribes, much more when the later finds it offensive? When we accuse Igbos of arrogance, I think you'll probably do well looking at it from the other sides. Imagine a yoruba culture that continually demands humility from each person regardless of the size of your pockets now relating with someone who shoves supposed riches in his face as a basis of superiority. Do you think the non Igbo would naturally not find that offensive? Igbo republicanism should not rob you from relating to other people with respect. I have seen, heard and read on NL how some Igbos disparage our people, I gave example earlier on how Lagosians finds it offensive when you tell them their land is no-man's land, and how Igbos say they determine the economy of Lagos when there is neither empirical evidence or business theory to back such fact. Tell me how you want non-Igbos to interpret such behaviour.

Let me end here by making the analysis I earlier made. I opined that the Oba's saga is a hydra-headed problem that we did not nip in the bud. We have probably set another round of mutual suspicion and rancor in Lagos. Going forward, it is like a declaration on an apparent war. People will now see the Igbos as threatening. The Oba of Lagos would be forgiven quickly and his slip would be turned around as reference points. Subsequent government will stiffle Igbo dominated markets with regulations that were either to relaxed. Remember there's an existing issue on Aspamda where Lagos State government had challenged the FG on the right to consession the area without the state government's consent and involvement as stipulated in the law. Aganga was about to will over Aspamda to LSG but for the cry at national level. subsequent LSG will pursue that case. Computer Village is in the offing to be moved to Kantangowa, that may be followed through......and lots of other consequences..............

I argue that players in the society should continue to be forward thinking and weigh likely consequences of actions. I've stopped living in the world of "Right and Wrongs" because both are relative and contextual, but rather what is expedient.

omazus:
This is double speak bro. And after watching Oba's speech by yourself, do you still agree with Utomi that Oba was joking. For the benefit of doubt, if he was actually joking, he must go back to the basics and learn communication s

You also missed it on the Igbo not learning Yoruba culture. A lot of Igbo I know speak yoruba language fluently, eat yoruba food, attend yoruba ceremony in Lagos. And this does not tell you that they are trying their best to learn the culture. Abeit, culture was not the issue in this case. The issue was an attempt to force a people to vote a political party and threaten them by death by someone who by his position should have been apolitical. And by the way, don't you think that Lagos is a pluralistic society, no offence intended. If it is not we shall start immediately by forcing all Chinese, Indians, etc to learn Yoruba culture and worship the Gods of the three religions (Christianity, ATR, Islam). But in seeking that Igbo alone should learn your culture while others retain theirs, in a situation where more Igbos speak Yoruba, marry Yoruba despite strong objections from Yoruba parents, the promoters show a serious obsession with Igbo.

You miss it here again when you say we do not permit a contrary voice. If you know what Igbo republicanism means you will see a people who thrive in allowing another voice to be aired. And I think our exhibition of this is what you often regard as our arrogance. We are not arrogance but we believe in our right to speak after you have spoken. We also extend the same right to you to speak after we have spoken. If you remember Awolowo's position on the war and Obasanjo's own which his fellow veteran has dismissed as packs of lies by the way, had been in the open for years and no IGBO person abused them, once Achebe's own came up, he was shouted down. Methinks, there is a conscious effort to silence a certain voice, the Igbo voice. And it pains.

Ok, let me make this as practical as I can;

1. In the mid 80s, a scrap book/print outs came out. These book sought to rewrite the basis of relationship between Christians and Muslims. A lot of falsehood was spewed through the book. The book instructed muslims to attack and kill all christian leaders as their compatriots did in the North. Guess what? the book had no author, no publishing authority or any known source. More like a disgruntled fellow sat on his type-writer and wrote his personal opinions and started spreading it. Now I ask, Should we have taken that as the thought of all Muslims towards Christians? I still maintain that you're basing your assumption on an unverified source. All the Yorubas in the house will tell you that our study in Yoruba history and literature had no such report. Even if a family decides to feed their children with falsehood through printouts, it still does not make it a credible source.

2. The above brings me to a position I have take with regards to my perception about the problems facing us. I think we need to do more in critiquing points people lay in our fronts. Does it make sense? Your story of Prostitute/Monkey should have told your that is a questionable submission. Even mysticism will not paint it that lame.

3. I think you need to get out of a fixation. It would seem to me that you've taken a position about the Yoruba tribe, and isolated questionable cases like this simply "validate" your opinions. The danger is you'll give yourself away too often

4. I have tried to stay away from the issue of the Oba's saga. I tarried a while to get more facts and not the emotional laden speeches that pervaded the social media. An Igbo lawyer that was at the meeting had come out to state that the Oba was misrepresented and he was not talking to the generality of the Igbos but to a specific ones in the context of his discussion. They further stated that the meeting was a friendly mood all through. Prof. Pat Utomi came out to state that he'd known the Oba for well over 20years, and that he's misunderstood. He could come across as harsh, but those are his ways of engaging in friendly discussions. Now for me the Oba made a statement that had consequences; a big mistake on his part, even though from those that care to understand was a case of careless statement with altruistic intention.

5. I think many of the Igbos had allowed anger to becloud their judgements, going on the offensive without trying to understand the background. I understand some Igbos group have taken the Oba's case to Human Rights Commission and other stuffs like that. I stand to be corrected, but I think if we could xray many of the minds on these angry people, it's more about the opportunity to take a pound of flesh from a long standing enemy tribe and not the collective good of the Igbos. Some even gullibly followed without knowing the facts of the case. Many did not consider the spill over effects. Do you in all honesty think the Yorubas will be happy while you take advantage of this slip to make a fool of their Oba? What even gives you the impression that there are no reprimanding for the Oba in respectful form? The truth is also is that notable Yoruba's came out to condemn the Oba's statement. Femi Falana for instant advised that the Oba should apologise to the Igbos....

6. I did not I seek to desecrate your person. If you check my submission again, I wrote it from the perspective of what is fanning the embers of discord. On NL many write calling Lagos a no-man's land. If you looked at Omatseye's article, the "no man's land issue" was one of the fulcrum of his analysis. My position is, if we seek true and peaceful co-existence, why don't we shun positions that puts us in counter-productive state? This is one of the point of concerns of Lagosians that the Igbos should respect. Napoleon Bonaparte wisely instructed his army on conduct when they were on transition through the Arab world. He commanded that they learn the culture and orientation of the "Mohametans" so that they can engage in peaceful relationships and commerce, rather than disparage their institution and incur conflict.

7. My position on Achebe's book is that Achebe by his statement on Awolowo has set back the chances of wiping out the ill-feelings, painful memories and chances of true and contrite reconciliation by another 50years. I'm still saying it, I don't think it will serve any lofty purpose if Awolowo catalogue Ojukwu's sin on the war and expect no reaction from Igbo audience. The mistake you guys make is that you imagine your world view is the only legal view.

omazus:
Thank you bro for your comment. I hope we have found a ground for conversation. But before then, let me tell you that the book in question was not found with a 12 year old but a 31 year old. And he read it in his teen. And before God and man, you cannot deny knowledge of the existence of such book. For the reason you stated that the book was not officially approved for study in schools, we have kept quite about it. But the truth is that generations who read that book whether officially or unofficially are gradually taking over reins of power, and coupled with latest happening we must be on the alert.

I will be a fool to say that Igbos are all saints. We are not. But see what most Yoruba commentators have failed to see when they converse with the Igbo. The Igbo are able to isolate the culprit whenever they criticise. In the case in point Oba was rightly isolated. In your comment about Lagos as a no man's land, you desecrate my person, rendered me a nonentity by ascribing the saying of one Igbo man to me. Lagos for me is not a no man's land but instead of you to attack the man who said it you choose to attack all the Igbo. And when the Igbo attacked Oba for his misadventure the whole Yoruba came up that they are being attacked. The same happened when Achebe's book blamed Awolowo for his role during the war the whole Yoruba race said they were being attacked. This is what others do not understand about you. But every day you write about individuals from other areas and those people do not say all of them are being attacked.

those are my views..............and come off those delusion asking me to be civil....

anigold:
bros why cant you air out your views without attacking personality..
please learn to present your opinion in a civilized and polite manner..
thanks. have a nice day..

Bros,

Let's keep it to facts and not feelings. Yes both Amaechi and Tinubu will submit the names of ministerial nominees, just like GMB conceeded the choice of Osinbajo to Tinubui to make

Chinom:
In other words Amechi and Tinubu will submit the names of ministerial nominees. That's a huge insult to Buhari. Are you aware that Buhari is not interested in a second term in office. He wants to leave his mark now. No party will dictate to him. Tinubu's influence ends in Lagos. Amechi is gone. Buhari has already sent the first signal by appointing Pastor Bakare to head the selection committee.

What roadmap are you talking about. FYI I am in the industry very closest to power. Barth Nnaji did not draw any roadmap, neither are we implementing anything today. 6years of over $500m in power, yet it is sub 4 GW we're rooted in in capacity generation.

Fayemi needs not join the Army to deliver value. I has a unique offering that is hardly available so why not use it.

But that said, there's something you're not considering with all the names you're flying around. All the proposed ministerial nominees would have been agreed 95% in APC and it will consist of those who were involved in APC's battle and victory. So knock out your Nnaji, Ezekweseli and co.....

Chinom:
Prof. Bath Nnaji drew up the Power roadmap we are implementing today. Vested interests with connections to Aso rock would not allow him to carry it out. He had to resign. He was not sacked. He resigned. Buhari should simply recall him.

Never knew they had a PHD in War studies. Fayemi should join the army then. He has no business in the defence ministry regardless. I prefer a retired officer from the Middle belt. Somebody from the field.

omazus:
Mr. Omatseye, I like reading you every Monday at the back of the Nation. Before now, as an undergraduate I read you in the Sun Newspapers. The truth is, I do not read you because of the wisdom and the truth contained in your write up but in your mastery and skillful use of the English language. It is a pity that that skill which made me to fall in love you is lacking in this write up.

Just yesterday, as Nigerians were killing themselves I was ensconsed in Thomas Friedman's book, "The Lexus and the Olive Tree." It is a book about globalisation and world development. In that book Friedman artfully exposed what I may call the problem of Nigeria. And it is this. "Half of the world seemed to be intent ... on building a better lexus, dedicated to modernising, streamlining and privatizing their economies in order to thrive in the system of globalisation. And half of the world - sometimes half the same country, sometimes half the same person - was still caught up in the fight over who owns which olive tree." That a writer should lend his trade to struggle about ownership of an olive tree, and to lie bardefacedly while doing so tells much about us as a country.

The truth is that the Yoruba person is is ingrained with an incurable hatred of the Igbo. I do not know why. But this is why I say so. A Yoruba friend told me how as a kid he read a book about the origin of the Igbo. It was a Yoruba book which he showed to me but since I couldn't raed the language I couldn't follow with the content. In that book, the Igbo was a product of a relationship between a Yoruba female outcast and a monkey. If I did not believe this many comments I have read from Yoruba nairalanders here have4 made allusion to this. Therefore, I was not suprised when a Yoruba child of 12 years who visited me, sat on my house and was served food declared to my own daughter with whom she was sharing the food that she hates all Igbo people. I was taken aback. At such a tender age. I sat back and asked her, so you hate me. She said no that I'm a good person but she hates all other Igbo persons. The message has been delevered and Igot it. Children get their worldviews from their parents and if a child could harbour such a thought then we are all done as a nation.

My point is this, the Igbo were agitated by Oba's comment because almost all of them in Lagos are aware of this feeling of hatred against them. And in the recent time we have heard of giving the Igbo in Lagos the Hausa treatment they received in Kano. Now it is becoming an official practice to hate the Igbo and stop him by all means the Igbo must have a rethink. As a tribe we must make a conscious decision that henceforth no further buying and developing of property in Lagos. If you have made money, take it down to the East and build there. Thank you.

Bros,

I'd rather you went straight to your points, but your retort and critique on skillful writing is ironic as you made blunders which you seemingly accused Omatseye of.

First off, I will not bother requesting for verification of the name of the Yoruba book you claimed you saw with a 12 year old on the history of Igbos. A simple check on all Yoruba literature used in schools and approved by state ministries of education will show that no such book exist. Will you rather now blame a nation for some printouts that was of no known academic background? I do not claim the mastery of the skill of writing, but I know simply logic does not permit these errors of generalization and quoting from on verified sources.

For me I think the lessons that should be learnt is hardly learnt and we keep making the same mistakes all over. Let me just say a few;
1. When we don't respect each other; or better still we outrightly ridicule each other's tribes, the embers of discord will keep growing. Considering the number of unsavory things I see on NL as reflective of some collective positions of the divide is scary
2. This feeling of "they hate me, so I hate them" will not make the problem go away
3. I think well meaning Igbos should tell their folks to back off the issue of "Lagos, a no man's land". It has not worked, neither will it. It will only incur more ill-feeling and I dare say it's senseless and disrespectful of Lagosians.
4. We have a collective responsibilities of passing the right values to our children.

On the Oba's comment's, well Igbos were obviously agitated, but wisdom at times tells us we are circumspect in our reaction and take paths that are expedient. If we're careful enough we should have handled it better collectively kill the matter quickly. We are probably going battle with dousing the smoke of this issue that will last another few more long years

My brother,

The Oba was wrong in context and time...........The Oba was seemingly wrong last week. The implication of the reaction of Igbos in words and deed is just about to begin. Trust me those that chided the Oba last week will say that he spoke the truth this week.

I'm fascinated with the study of power, a field I feel many of us can freely immerse ourselves in and learn a lesson or two. The Igbos that vented their anger through vectives thrown at the Oba and their votes, seemingly did not look beyond Saturday the 11th of April 2015. Indigenous Lagosians will now go gangster-defensive of everything about their heritage. It's likely to start with subtle harassment to open confrontation.......... we should start thinking with our heads and not our muscles..............

MsTIQ:
One thing I have learnt from the Lagos saga is ; History! Now I have learnt different ones, and I dunno which one to believe ! The Oba was wrong, Yes! Let's forgive him Peace!

If they are not happy, why didn't they express it through the ballot??

.......and Prof. Barth Nnaji did what in Power if I may ask? Fayemi is fit to be in Defence. Unlike GEJ that we're still looking for his PHD thesis, Fayemi has a PHD in war studies.....

Chinom:
Fayemi as Minister of Defence !! What did you smoke ?. Dabiri should be sent abroad as an Ambassador if anything. Prof. Bath Nnaji should be brought back to the Power ministry.

Bros,

Using a failed GEJ as a basis of your perception of best makes me wonder if you're either living in delusion grandeur or you're simply smothen by corruption, you don't know any other...........

anigold:
General please dont use 4 years to blame past leaders,when you were head of state there was still corruption/poor governance and you were not a saint.
Please use this 4 years and bring the positive changes we all need.
Gej did his best,so please do your best lets move this our motherland forward. Nigeria is our.only country...
Please dont use this four years for vengeance and revenge on your supposed political enemies....

My brother,

except the word "loyalty" is officially rechristened, you may need to recheck either your understanding of loyalty or your value appreciation of it. Mbum was not loyal, he simply perpertrated illegality to which he's culpable and probably will face orderly-room trial. When someone entrusted with the protection of lives and property instructs his men to kill 10 citizens at the expense of one policeman, then you should know we're probably dealing with someone whose mental faculty needed a reexamination.

On what basis will Mbum be needed in EFCC, he had not shown classic intelligence to even make him fit for leadership. What I see is someone whose values are questionable and will suck up to anyone in power and do their irrational bidding to survive.

olatunji21:
Love him or Hate, i have absolute respect for Joseph Mbu, though he was atimes too overzealous but u just cant take that Loyalty away from him.. He's a very loyal servant, i think he would be needed in GMB govt... I just can't overlook him for the EFCC job, he's never afraid to step on toes...